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Comment Re:Sir Winston (Score 1) 621

I don't give a shit. It's not the economy, stupid.

Let the economy suffer a bit. Some thing are more important, like having our own army, having our own territorial waters, and not being the most overpopulated country in the goddamn world. And I think you're massively exaggerating the problems we would have. Over half our trade is with non-EU countries these days anyway. The EU is a declining market and has been for many years probably because of the stultification of its economies its protectionism causes. The only economy really doing well is Germany. All the others are mediocre at best and many have massive levels of youth unemployment.

Comment Re:But now part of the historical narrative? (Score 3, Insightful) 621

Richard Dawkins, on this issue, is a fucking moron.

Presumably the people he would prefer to decide on our EU membership would be our MPs - a combination of backbench ignoramuses who do what their party leadership tell them, and frontbench EU fanatics who are fully signed up to the Brussels gravy train. Call me mad, but I'll take The People's vote.

And no I would hate the Norwegian model. I do not want the free movement of people. England is massively overpopulated as it is and we desperately need to control the influx with an Australian-style points system. The Norwegian people voted against EU membership, and their government signed them up to the single market anyway against their will!

Comment Re: As it's been said... (Score 1) 621

The Tories are the main right-wing party in the UK. Their leader David Cameron held the referendum, and he set up 2 campaigns. BSE (Britain Stronger in Europe, the in campaign) and Vote Leave (the "official" out campaign). Vote Leave was supposed to lose ("spoil" the referendum for Leave). Nigel Farage, a true Euroskeptic (and a fucking hero) allied himself with a real leave campaign, GO (Grassroots Out), and Vote Leave predictably refused to have anything to do with it. GO did not tell lies, and put out a powerful patriotic message. It almost certainly had a lot to do with pushing the leave vote over the winning line.

Comment Re:Sir Winston (Score 1) 621

Bull. Shit.

EVERY non-EU country (with 1 or 2 exceptions like Norway) does business with the single market and doesn't have freedom of movement. There's no reason to think they can force the UK into a free movement deal. If they do it will be because our politicians betray us and don't control borders like we want.

Comment Re:Sir Winston (Score 2) 621

Except that it's not a bad decision.

It's a decision to once again make the British parliament sovereign, as it has been for the vast majority of British history.

It's a decision to unshackle Britain from mountains of regulation, most of it barely scrutinized, handed down from unelected bureaucrats most of whom have contempt for the average working man.

It's a decision to allow Britain to negotiate free trade deals (many of which have been quickly forthcoming) instead of waiting forever for the EU to negotiate them.

It's a decision to reclaim Britain's territorial waters and rejuvenate the British fishing industry that has been decimated by the EU's common fisheries policy.

It's a decision to stop sending £350 million a week to Brussels for whatever they feel like spending it on; often involving massive corruption and "expenses" (and yes, that is an accurate figure; getting some of it back with strings attached is still not the same as not spending the money)

It's a decision to hopefully start funding universities again from the British parliament and end Monnet professorships so that young people stop getting brainwashed into thinking the EU is the best thing since sliced bread without even knowing what the fuck it is.

And it's a decision to be able to control immigration, probably with an Australian points-based system, rather than letting unlimited numbers of (mostly eastern) Europeans into the country at a ludicrously unsustainable level (over net 350,000 per year).

I'd love to know why you think that your reasons for staying in trump the aforementioned ones for getting the hell out.

Comment Re: As it's been said... (Score 3, Insightful) 621

You do realize that the officially-sanctioned Vote Leave campaign was a Tory spoiler campaign who didn't actually want to win, right? That's why Boris Johnson looked like he was at a funeral for his victory speech. If Farage's GO campaign had been chosen by the (corrupt) electoral commission, the official campaign would've been talking sense and not bullshit.

Comment Re:As it's been said... (Score 2) 621

"Crash our economy" - what total, unmitigated, bullshit. The pound has basically recovered, the FTSE 100 is up, and countries all over the world are offering us free trade deals gleefully. Many EFTA members are keen to invite us back in. The future's bright so stop being a doom-monger.

Comment Re:But now part of the historical narrative? (Score 1) 621

A sane way of Brexiting would have been for a party to have proposed a specific Brexit approach (e.g. Norway-style) as part of its manifesto, for it to have won an election on that basis, for it to have debated and won the arguments for an Act of Parliament setting its negotiating powers in both Houses, and then for it to negotiate on that basis.

And you know full fucking well that would never have happened because ALL the major political parties are fully signed up to the Brussels gravy train, and had no intention of leaving the EU, whereas UKIP was seen as a single-issue party that not enough people were willing to vote for in a general election. It's a sly way of saying "let's stay in the EU and anyone who disagrees can piss off."

Comment Re:But now part of the historical narrative? (Score 1) 621

Oh fuck off. You LOST, deal with it. If Remain had won by 50.5% and Leave had signed such a petition, you'd be calling them morons.

and I say that as someone who signed it

Why? Because you can't deal with the outcome of a democratic vote? Tell me honestly, do you actually want to replace democracy with something else? And if so, what?

Comment Re:Firefox needs to veer hard to privacy. (Score 1) 103

Second, as a user of Phoen^WFirebir^WFirefox since about 0.5, who just lets the thing update instead of trying to customize it extensively (except for installing my favorite extensions, of course), it's been so long since 3.5 that I don't remember what the old UI was like anymore. Could you remind me what was so great about it?

- Full theming
- Fully customizable buttons and URLbar
- Status bar that buttons could be moved to
- Bookmarks sidebar
- History sidebar
- Tabs on bottom available

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