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What Are Stores Even Thinking With All These Emails? 74

Your inbox is now a shopping mall. From a column: Email is one of the few ways companies can reach their customers directly. In fact, people overwhelmingly say that the way they want to hear from brands is by email, Chad S. White, the head of research for Oracle Marketing Consulting, told me. That's why the mailbox software started suppressing messages -- to protect people from companies' temptation to send too many emails. In response, email marketers obsess over "deliverability," or how the content and frequency of their emails might help those messages actually hit your inbox in the first place. But that process has created new and weird feedback loops, in which some companies and certain messages might be able to reach your inbox more readily than before, while others get junked -- condemned to spam, deleted, or the like -- before you see them.

As a result, your personal inbox gradually has become less like a mailbox and more like a wormhole into every business relationship you maintain: your bank; your utility provider; your supermarket; your favorite boutiques, restaurants, housewares providers, and all the rest. It's your own digital commercial district: Opening up email is akin to visiting a little mall in your browser or on your phone, where every shop is right next to every other. A few years ago, Gmail made that metaphor concrete by introducing the promotions folder, recasting spam as marketing. When you're in the mood to shop, just drop into promotions and see what's on offer (or search for a favorite brand to see the latest wares).
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What Are Stores Even Thinking With All These Emails?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 09, 2021 @08:33PM (#61674267)

    And boy does this guy have Stockholm Syndrome. "Technically, I asked for these emails. I wrote loans with my mortgage broker. I’ve bought furniture from Room & Board and pants from Bonobos.". No. Doing business with somebody once isn't "asking for emails". Every piece of email you get from somebody you bought something from, unless it's part of a transaction you initiated, is straight-up spam.

    • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @11:44PM (#61674809)

      While I don't like that I have to do this at all - it is simple enough to opt back out of all those emails I ostensibly opted into when I buy something.

      You don't have to keep getting barraged by email from these "legitimate" companies. The first email - and every subsequent email - almost certainly will have an "unsubscribe" link. And, in my experience, pretty much all the companies honor that (heck, very few of the companies run their own mailing lists anyway).

      • Re: (Score:1, Flamebait)

        by sjames ( 1099 )

        That's cute, you think unsubscribe makes them not sell your information to anyone and everyone who waggles a dollar under their noses.

        • The worst is when I go to a physical store (yes, still happens), and they ask me for an e-mail address at checkout. Nope. I'm not rude about it, but when they ask what my email is I just say no thank you. I get enough junk and have had my email addresses leaked and/or sold off to too many spammers already, no need to have an in-person purchase add to that.
          • In what way is that "worst?" Just practice saying, "No thank you." When they ask for your phone number and you say, "No thank you" they also don't bother asking for your email.

        • You moved the goalposts pretty quickly there, and in the most rude of ways, cutie.

          The discussion is about reception of emails, and now you're talking about selling of data.

          • by sjames ( 1099 )

            I neither moved nor planted goalposts. The topic is getting flooded with email from "brands" and part of that is the buying and selling of contact info.

        • Unfortunately, if they are someone you bought something from, that ship has already sailed. So it really boils down to whether you want them to stop sending you spam or if you'd rather just ignore/block it.

    • If the business partners this poster engaged with are typical, the EULA or other agreement accepted or not opted-out of specified they could send marketing and other communications, based on the relationship. Bot saying that is ok, but it is universally disclosed, and while in small print, or below the fold, or late in the process, it's most always there.

      Me? I loathe websites that whack me with 'join our email...' or 'subscribe to....', or 'we want to send your browser notifications' instantly the first tim

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @08:41PM (#61674285)

    And they are getting it for free. Fortunately, companies I care about (European) are _not_ allowed to send you email unless you have a business relationship with them. And even then, most use restraint.

    • That's what the story says. Now as far as restraint that's debatable. Everyone has a different threshold.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      When I get an unwanted email from an EU/UK company I usually respond with a Subject Data Access Request. That way they have to give me all the data they have relating to me and I can figure out if a) they had permission to send me an email and b) how they got it.

      Depending on the response I follow up with either a request to delete all data relating to me and not collect any more, ever, or a complaint to the Information Commissioner's Office.

  • by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @08:54PM (#61674315) Homepage
    Is this a news item or some blogger on rant?

    The author concludes their blabbering by suggesting to just give up and let it happen. Pff, if I don't want their mail anymore I unsubscribe. If that doesn't work it gets added to the junk filter.

    I feel bad for the author that thinks they are hopelessly stuck in the hole that they dug themselves into.
  • Obviously, the more's the better!

    If they have something better than shit to throw at you, they won't be sending you emails (which is the cheapest option).

  • by LatencyKills ( 1213908 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @08:56PM (#61674319)

    All those marketing emails come with an Unsubscribe button at the bottom. I find they work about 90% of the time, though I'm still getting Blinds2Go ads years after my wife ordered blinds from them and I unsubscribed. Anyway, i find my email box only becomes as overrun with that crap as I let it.

    • by Pascoea ( 968200 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:49PM (#61674457)
      I forget which company it was, but the "unsubscribe" didn't appear to be actually hooked to anything. After the 3rd attempt I e-mailed their support with a "do we really need to escalate this to a lawsuit?" message. Their messages stopped.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      And so do the fake emails! It's going to be tougher in the future to figure out which ones are real unsubscribes, and which are clickbait. I fear for my parents.

    • Why do you think it is a good idea to provide free validation that someone is actually reading the mail that that address, thus increasing its value to resell in a mailing list?

      • I work at an online marketing platform. We abide by the laws and keep an eye on industry trends and practices. Believe it or not, an opted out user is of very little interest to these people. Some spam houses may want big volume of any real deliverable emails they can get, but most real businesses want real customers or prospects, who show engagement. They don't want to send you emails you don't care for any more than you want to receive them.
        • Mail from reputable marketing platforms is going to be something I asked for, so it isn't even spam.

          Spam by definition is something I didn't ask for, so their mailing practices are already fishy.

  • Really? (Score:1, Troll)

    by MeNeXT ( 200840 )

    The article sounds like the writer knows nothing about the Internet. The only email I get is from companies that I want email from. If you are getting email as described you have nobody else to blame but yourself. SPAM has practically disappeared except a few random DKIM signed spam from Outlook, Google, Yahoo and other big boys which are very difficult to filter out without catching legitimate email.

    • Google has become the worst offender for me. As you say, easy to filter the rest. I have resorted to whitelisting gmail/google servers. I also whitelist outlook, but I see less spam from their servers. Yahoo does not seem to send spam to my domain(yet).
  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:44PM (#61674439)

    .. my US Post mailbox. Full of junk and ads with the occasional important mail buried in there somewhere.

    At least with e-mail, I don't have to wander across the street in my bathrobe to empty it (although that can be a thrill in some ways).

  • by scum-e-bag ( 211846 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:50PM (#61674459) Homepage Journal

    Despite all of Google's failures to live up to expectations over the last 20+ years; the promotions folder is a pleasant surprise.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Really? I disabled that 'feature' straight away. It was putting too much actual mail in there.
      I can sort my own emails, thank you very much.

  • by Skapare ( 16644 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:50PM (#61674461) Homepage

    reaching my mailbox is very easy. the auto-reply gives the precise instructions on how to do it, in us_EN, entirely in ASCII (to avoid any UNICODE decoding issues). it includes the URL to go to and tells the sender what info is needed. i don't understand what difficulty so many people are having with this. over a couple dozen people have successfully passed their email to me.

  • As a result, your personal inbox gradually has become less like a mailbox and more like a wormhole into every business relationship you maintain: your bank; your utility provider; your supermarket; your favorite boutiques, restaurants, housewares providers, and all the rest. It's your own digital commercial district:

    Has this guy ever had a mailbox? Unless you went on a (mostly fruitless) jihad to stop it, then this is precisely what physical mailboxes looked like.

    • this is precisely what physical mailboxes looked like.

      Look like. This is what physical mailboxes look like.

  • by joe_frisch ( 1366229 ) on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:53PM (#61674653)
    If I just bought a mattress, the chances are near zero that I want to buy another, so why the stream of spam (Mostly stopped by filters, though those can catch legint stuff too). If I just went to a vacation resort there is a chance I might want to hear about another similar resort. Emails from companies make sense in some situations but not others.
  • I don't download external content or pictures. fuck it
  • Seriously? "people overwhelmingly say that the way they want to hear from brands is by email"? Did it ever occur to the guy that people say that--no doubt in response to a question with only "phone" and/or "email" as the only acceptable answers--because email is easier to ignore and they didn't want their cell phones exploding?
    • These "people" are not us, and yes, they really do want to get email. I don't understand it, but working in the industry, I cannot deny it. There are a several dynamics that give rise to perversely excessive amounts of email across the board, but at the heart of it all, you'll find 10 or 20 million people who *really do* *actually* want companies clogging up their inboxes, and they reward the behavior by following links from those emails to buy things.

      The senders then tune their programs to serve these most

  • i've notice now that companies will auto-create an account for you when checking out as guest. they'll send an e-mail asking you to click here to set a password. i respond by stating my desire for them to delete the account.
  • ... *finally* redo E-Mail and the underlying DNS right along with it? We've been observing this for 25+ years now. For Effs sake, we're being lazy here and building new Desktops and WMs by the dozen instead of fixing a messaging protocol from the steam age of computing, built for passing text-notes around on a mainframe, for chrisakes.

    With a redone distributed nameservice like namecoin and a proper asymetric crypto & sinage mail/messaging protocol spam would simply vanish. Let's build the nameservice, n

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Don't make me pull out the "Your post advocates a...approach to fighting spam." template.

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:35AM (#61675465)

    Just create an email-address just for shopping, I even use additional separate ones for Amazon, Ebay and a few others.

    Delete the crap from time to time and you are OK.
    It's easier and quicker than filters that you have to adapt all along.

    • If you have gmail you can "create" an email address anytime by adding +. person+ebay@gmail.com will be routed to person@gmail.com. I've been doing this pretty religiously for a decade, but honestly, the unsubscribe button works well enough.
  • I noticed after one particularly spirited exchange here on Slashdot some years ago my spam volume sharply increased. Someone has been signing up for things in my name so that I get their receipts and whatnot, putting my address down when they get a car wash or whatever.

    • That's called a superfan. You should try to sell them some swag, maybe they'd be willing to buy paper targets with your picture, or a shirt where you're drawn to look like Cartman?

      • I guess it's worth a shot if I can get paid. Clearly I'm occupying their thoughts, which is so sad I can barely stand it. Maybe that's their goal, to make me so sad for them that I cannot bear this existence.

  • The first email I get from any company I always unsubscribe from all emails.
  • I have hundreds of email addresses, a separate one for every company I've ever needed to give an address to. I can turn any of them on and off like a tap. They are nearly all turned off.

    The main problem is Ebay. I need to turn them on while I am selling or buying, and during that window there is a shower of spam from them, mostly trying to sell me the same stuff that I am trying to sell myself. Idiots.
  • Duluth Trading Company has the system figured out. They produce an excellent product, but their normal prices are EXTREMELY high. Fortunately (?!?!?!?!) they send out constant emails, several per week at times, with specials and more reasonable pricing on everything. Basically if you want their product at a reasonable price you have to submit to almost constant spam.

    At work I immediately block any unsolicited commercial email, including emails tied to an individual sales/marketing person's email address.

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