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Comment: Re:Or Red Hat? (Score 1) 269 269

You listed RPM, Gtk+, Gnome, systemd, PulseAudio, and NetworkManager. Aren't all of those still in active use? Aren't they all still some of the most popular solutions for what they do?

If that is failure, you didn't comprehend the story. It wasn't about things not being your personal favorite.

Then again, if you think RPM, Gtk, or systemd are "failures," you might be one of the people in the story.

Comment: Re:Last three their own horse (Score 2) 269 269

Lennart is professional programmer who has had great success. You sound jealous. The software packages you list are actually the most used solutions, not failures. Failure doesn't mean, "I don't like it, waaaaa."

And I'm sure Lennart would tell you that applications are different than kernels, and you're comparing apples and oranges. I know he'd see that, because he's a programmer.

RedHat has huge resources, they have a war chest, they're not in trouble or "stuck with" anything. They've written software in the past that they don't still use. They're not known as being irrational or emotional, they're known for being the business-and-oss-friendly distro. They make pragmatic decisions.

Hate away. But remember, attacking the man is a logical fallacy, not a rational point. You will be understood accordingly.

Comment: Re:"Harbinger of Failure" = Hipsters? (Score 1) 269 269

They're just still confused by all this open source and free software stuff. They can't comprehend that I'm using software written by people, not by a company, that sales don't matter, and that it doesn't help me if they use the same software. They just can't comprehend that we would be able to tolerate linux "on the desktop" if we're less than 1% of users. To them that sounds like it is a "failure" because it isn't cool or popular. They just don't understand where our software comes from, and why having low overall end-user adoption doesn't impact us negatively, or prevent us from having new software.

After all, if a proprietary OS had the adoption rate of (end-user) linux, there would be almost no software being written for it, and you couldn't use it for most general business tasks.

Comment: Re: Good for greece (Score 1) 1188 1188

Yes, we know. Western powers help only western powers. That's the whole point of this argument. It's not about money, it's about power.

Then why all the whining and coveting of our assets? If you already knew we're worried about our own needs, and you know Greece hasn't been looking out for us, why would we sweep in to spend our hard-earned money on people who claim that money is free and don't know how we got it, and constantly accuse us of having just waved our hands and made it all appear?

Comment: Re: Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

Distant wars generate local trade, that's something not less than nothing. A war between Europe and Greece would be great for the US, because we'd end up getting to drop most of the bombs, and getting most the industrial activity increase.

If the Greeks were smart enough to build something, bombs, cars, whatever, they would have economic output. Understand, Greece doesn't have enough money for anybody to make a significant amount stealing it. ;) Germany doesn't waste their time plotting the destruction of Greece. The loans were a favor. You don't like loans, when asked to repay according to agreed terms? Good, you won't have any more evil loans forced on you, for hundreds of years. You're welcome.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

Greeks think themselves so important that they might endanger the economies of France and Germany when they immolate their credit, but actually France and Germany are trustworthy economic partners of many nations and will have no trouble surviving the Greek tragedy. The Greek suffering is just beginning, now the current generations will have to learn something most of the world understands already; living within your means is not an inconvenient suggestion, it is the difference between a wish and dinner.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

We don't criticize for them asking, we criticize for them whining and demanding after they're reminded they have awful credit and aren't trustworthy.

The only defense to accusations of untrustworthiness is payment of debts. Instead they threaten to default if the debts are not simply forgiven, and demand payment of tithes.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

"And we Americans financed the whole thing. You're welcome."

Should you guys be financing things with your 1 trillion dollar debt?

Yes. We have the world's best credit, we have always paid our debts and by our own laws we must. It would be illegal for us to default.

And our GDP is $17 Trillion. A debt of $1T would be well within our means. But generally it is regarded as higher. But it isn't loans. We didn't take out loans. We issue government bonds. Which we pay back 100% of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

That is why the US is doing well, and Greece is about to crash and burn. We pay back whatever we say we will, so can simply issue bonds and people value them even more than loan contracts from another nation. Greece, on the other hand, pays back nothing, their word is so bad they're claiming the Germans shouldn't have ever believed anything they say, and they have to make up weird conspiracy theories to deny the root cause of their financial problems.

"Live withing your means" is a saying like "for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction," or "don't count your chickens before they hatch." It is a simple matter of understanding the nature of the physical world, and accepting what you have successfully achieved before the current moment in time. If you don't like what you've achieved, the only solution is to achieve more. Decide how to build what is desired. Don't wait for the world to hand you wealth, we will not. We have our own real living to spend our means.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

Central banks are not funded by taxpayers. The IMF for example was funded by the US in a budget-neutral manner, as an exchange of assets. Translation: the IMF's money is created out of thin air. That the IMF won't give Greece any of their created money is shameful, sociopathic, criminal, and utterly unnecessary.

That was the first post to show actual insight into the situation.

There will always be somebody who thinks that an equal exchange of assets means the other guy gives them free money, and they give back insults and moralizing.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

Even if the money was printed and then given to the IMF, the moment the money was printed, the value it has came from devaluing all of the other money in circulation.

This is only true in an economy that's already working at 100% capacity. That hasn't been the case for a long time now. In the current situation of idling economy some actor getting more money will likely simply activate idle production capacity, which will actually increase the size of the market and the value of existing money.

Of course, the whole idea that supply exceeding demand can cause a crisis speaks for the absurdity of the entire economic system. It might be best to focus efforts on coming up with its replacement.

If that was true, the last bailout would have created a bunch of economic activity and Greece would be paying back their loans now. Maybe it isn't that simple. Maybe there more parts needed for a working national economy than just "free" short-term money. ;)

If you want free money, just find some toilet tissue and write dollar signs on it. It will have the exact same purchasing power as any other "free" money. If you think US dollars are free money, that explains why nobody gives you any. ;)

Comment: Re: Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

It is sortof like a "payday loan" center. It is possible that you really do just need money temporarily, separately from having bad credit, and that whatever loan you get you'll repay. But the rate is very low. Most of those people are lying to get loans for other reasons than that, like they simply wasted all their money without saving enough for rent. Those people will later fail for sure.

Economies are already destroyed in reality before a country comes for an IMF loan. No country should ever ask for such a loan other than to fund a reform/austerity setup that will recover the economy eventually. If they actually just wasted all their money, aren't going to actually impose internal changes, and just want to patch up their budget for another month, well that will fail because now they took a high interest loan and they have less money. Their usable income went down because their overhead went up, because they couldn't control their short-term urge to spend. Unfortunately, most countries that ask for IMF loans don't have a real plan, they just lie about having a plan and a budget but they don't intend to follow it.

The answer, obviously, is just to stop loaning to desperate countries. Then they'll beg and cry for somebody to create an IMF to loan money to them at the high rates they can justify with their bad credit. Then you can see, blaming the IMF for consensual loans that are only initiated by the borrower applying in the first place... pretty weak thinking.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

You think the US economy uses fake money, and we create it out of thin air, because you don't have to reply on those dollars to support your nation.

You might be well advised to discover that the US pays all of its debts. It is actually a legal responsibility of the Government to pay debts. We have awesome credit as a nation, because we always pay. You think we're rich, but the per-capita standard of living in many European countries is much higher than ours. We aren't really that rich, but we balance our budget and live within our means, so we're always doing OK. We could borrow lots of money if we wanted to. Why? Because we know where money comes from, and "out of thin air" isn't that place. We live within our means because it is a physical reality that your means is what you have access to. Things beyond your means are things you can't have. It is really that simple.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

the only way they can continue to pay their pensions, benefits and state servants(including military) is going to start printing drakhmas, which will subsequently inflate like there's no tomorrow.

I doubt they could pay high enough wages to beat inflation long enough to keep people showing up to work. And the harder they tried, the harder they would fail.

I guess the whole nation will have to go on hunger strike demanding free unlimited credit cards, at least until austerity starts looking good. Unfortunately, by then it won't be managed temporary austerity, just the "we're really poor and austere" kind.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

Iceland can live within its means.

Iceland invested a couple decades of austerity to create their current self-sufficiency and energy independence.

Iceland can make do without bailouts, and they aren't going to whine about living within their means. In their climate, it is more obvious, more common-sense that you can only live within your means, as a matter of physical fact. Complain to the icy sea how unfair freezing to death is, and see what response you get.

Comment: Re:Citizen of Belgium here (Score 1) 1188 1188

For example, do you think the Canadian dollar could be split into one dollar for the economically stronger regions and a "floppy Canadian dollar"?

Both would mirror the US dollar and it would not be a problem.

North America doesn't have currency problems. These are solved issues, for decades.

Europe doesn't have the compatible business cultures of various US and Canadian regions, so the currencies would fall out of balance as the different groups tried to screw each other over. In North America we compete on a level playing field and our governments manage our currencies for mutual stability.

Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves. -- Lazarus Long

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