Takedown Notices Hit Luigi Mangione Merchandise and Photos - Including DMCAs (404media.co) 100
Newsweek supplies some context
After his arrest, merch — including T-shirts featuring Mangione's booking photos and others taken from his social media accounts — began popping up for sale on several sites. Websites, including Amazon, eBay and Etsy, have moved to take down products that glorify violence or the suspect. An eBay spokesperson told Newsweek that "items that glorify or incite violence, including those that celebrate the recent murder of UHC CEO Brian Thompson, are prohibited."
Inc. magazine adds: Separately, GoFundMe has shuttered several fundraising campaigns created for Mangione. The fundraising site's terms and conditions are pretty clear on the matter, NBC News reports, with a company spokesperson explaining they prohibit "fundraisers for the legal defense of violent crimes."
But one incident was different, according to a post from the law school of the University of British Columbia: To provide a quick summary, Rachel Kenaston, an artist selling merch on TeePublic received an e-mail from the platform regarding intellectual property claim by UnitedHealth Group Inc and decided to remove Kenaston's design from the merch store. Obviously, it is important to point out that it isn't quite clear who is filing those DMCA claims. While TeePublic, in the email, claimed that they have no say in the matter, [an article from 404 Media] goes on to explain that TeePublic has the right to refuse DMCA claims, but often choose not to in order to avoid headache. The design had nothing to do with UnitedHealthcare-it seems to be a picture of the Mangione in a heart frame. Meaning, whether it was UnitedHealthcare or not, the claim shouldn't hold any weight.
Consensus seems to be mostly leaning towards speculation that it is unlikely to be UnitedHealthcare actually filing those DMCA claims, but rather potential competitors... Regardless of whether or not it really was UnitedHealthcare that filed DMCA claims, I think the important point here is that the merch actually did get taken down. In fact, this would be more problematic if it was from a competitor using DMCA as a form of removing competition, because, then it really has nothing to do with intellectual property. I would assume that this happens quite frequently. Especially for YouTubers, it seems that copyright strikes are more than a mere pesky occurrence, but for many, something that affects livelihood...
The difficult part, as always, is finding the balance between protecting the rights of the copyright holders and ensuring that the mechanisms doesn't get abused.
The artist told Gizmodo she was filing a counterclaim to the copyright notice, adding that instead of a DMCA, "I honestly expected the design to be pulled for condoning violence or something..."
Gizmodo published the image — a watercolored rendition of a hostel surveillance-camera photo released by police — adding "UnitedHealth Group didn't respond to questions emailed on Monday [December 16] about how the company could possibly claim a copyright violation had occurred." And while Gizmodo promised they'd update the post if UnitedHealth responded — there has been no update since...
404 Media adds that the watercolor "is not the only United Healthcare or Luigi Mangione-themed artwork on the internet that has been hit with bogus DMCA takedowns in recent days. Several platforms publish the DMCA takedown requests they get on the Lumen Database, which is a repository of DMCA takedowns." On December 7, someone named Samantha Montoya filed a DMCA takedown with Google that targeted eight websites selling "Deny, Defend, Depose" merch that uses elements of the United Healthcare logo... Medium, one of the targeted websites, has deleted the page that the merch was hosted on...
Over the weekend, a lawyer demanded that independent journalist Marisa Kabas take down an image of Luigi Mangione and his family that she posted to Bluesky, which was originally posted on the campaign website of Maryland assemblymember Nino Mangione. The lawyer, Desiree Moore, said she was "acting on behalf of our client, the Doe Family," and claimed that "the use of this photograph is not authorized by the copyright owner and is not otherwise permitted by law..." In a follow-up email to Kabas, Moore said "the owner of the photograph has not authorized anyone to publish, disseminate, or otherwise use the photograph for any purpose, and the photograph has been removed from various digital platforms as a result," which suggests that other websites have also been threatened with takedown requests. Moore also said that her "client seeks to remain anonymous" and that "the photograph is hardly newsworthy."
404 Media believes the takedown request "shows that the Mangione family or someone associated with it is using the prospect of a copyright lawsuit to threaten journalists for reporting on one of the most important stories of the year..."
UPDATE: Long-time Slashdot reader destinyland notes there's an interesting precedent from 2007: [D]eep within the DMCA law is a counter-provision — 512(f), which states that misrepresenting yourself as a copyright owner has consequences. Any damage caused by harmful misrepresentation must be reimbursed. In 2004 the Electronic Frontier Foundation won a six-figure award from Diebold Election Systems, who had claimed a "copyright" on embarrassing internal memos which were published online.
Inc. magazine adds: Separately, GoFundMe has shuttered several fundraising campaigns created for Mangione. The fundraising site's terms and conditions are pretty clear on the matter, NBC News reports, with a company spokesperson explaining they prohibit "fundraisers for the legal defense of violent crimes."
But one incident was different, according to a post from the law school of the University of British Columbia: To provide a quick summary, Rachel Kenaston, an artist selling merch on TeePublic received an e-mail from the platform regarding intellectual property claim by UnitedHealth Group Inc and decided to remove Kenaston's design from the merch store. Obviously, it is important to point out that it isn't quite clear who is filing those DMCA claims. While TeePublic, in the email, claimed that they have no say in the matter, [an article from 404 Media] goes on to explain that TeePublic has the right to refuse DMCA claims, but often choose not to in order to avoid headache. The design had nothing to do with UnitedHealthcare-it seems to be a picture of the Mangione in a heart frame. Meaning, whether it was UnitedHealthcare or not, the claim shouldn't hold any weight.
Consensus seems to be mostly leaning towards speculation that it is unlikely to be UnitedHealthcare actually filing those DMCA claims, but rather potential competitors... Regardless of whether or not it really was UnitedHealthcare that filed DMCA claims, I think the important point here is that the merch actually did get taken down. In fact, this would be more problematic if it was from a competitor using DMCA as a form of removing competition, because, then it really has nothing to do with intellectual property. I would assume that this happens quite frequently. Especially for YouTubers, it seems that copyright strikes are more than a mere pesky occurrence, but for many, something that affects livelihood...
The difficult part, as always, is finding the balance between protecting the rights of the copyright holders and ensuring that the mechanisms doesn't get abused.
The artist told Gizmodo she was filing a counterclaim to the copyright notice, adding that instead of a DMCA, "I honestly expected the design to be pulled for condoning violence or something..."
Gizmodo published the image — a watercolored rendition of a hostel surveillance-camera photo released by police — adding "UnitedHealth Group didn't respond to questions emailed on Monday [December 16] about how the company could possibly claim a copyright violation had occurred." And while Gizmodo promised they'd update the post if UnitedHealth responded — there has been no update since...
404 Media adds that the watercolor "is not the only United Healthcare or Luigi Mangione-themed artwork on the internet that has been hit with bogus DMCA takedowns in recent days. Several platforms publish the DMCA takedown requests they get on the Lumen Database, which is a repository of DMCA takedowns." On December 7, someone named Samantha Montoya filed a DMCA takedown with Google that targeted eight websites selling "Deny, Defend, Depose" merch that uses elements of the United Healthcare logo... Medium, one of the targeted websites, has deleted the page that the merch was hosted on...
Over the weekend, a lawyer demanded that independent journalist Marisa Kabas take down an image of Luigi Mangione and his family that she posted to Bluesky, which was originally posted on the campaign website of Maryland assemblymember Nino Mangione. The lawyer, Desiree Moore, said she was "acting on behalf of our client, the Doe Family," and claimed that "the use of this photograph is not authorized by the copyright owner and is not otherwise permitted by law..." In a follow-up email to Kabas, Moore said "the owner of the photograph has not authorized anyone to publish, disseminate, or otherwise use the photograph for any purpose, and the photograph has been removed from various digital platforms as a result," which suggests that other websites have also been threatened with takedown requests. Moore also said that her "client seeks to remain anonymous" and that "the photograph is hardly newsworthy."
404 Media believes the takedown request "shows that the Mangione family or someone associated with it is using the prospect of a copyright lawsuit to threaten journalists for reporting on one of the most important stories of the year..."
UPDATE: Long-time Slashdot reader destinyland notes there's an interesting precedent from 2007: [D]eep within the DMCA law is a counter-provision — 512(f), which states that misrepresenting yourself as a copyright owner has consequences. Any damage caused by harmful misrepresentation must be reimbursed. In 2004 the Electronic Frontier Foundation won a six-figure award from Diebold Election Systems, who had claimed a "copyright" on embarrassing internal memos which were published online.
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ah yes, "the left" are like the "KKK", a very leftist movement
LOL
Re: The face that launched a thousand shits (Score:5, Informative)
That doesn't make them leftists. The KKK (and the Democrats at the time) were right wing.
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It's amazing to me how often I have to explain this to conservatives whenever the KKK comes up. The best is when they want to argue about it or pretend that modern Democrats are anything like the Democrats when the KKK was significant.
I figure they're probably the same people who believe everything Trump tells them.
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Calling folks "people of color" is so much different from "colored people", somehow?
I've heard a number of non-white Americans use this term over the years. While I see what you're saying you're the first person I've ever heard say something about it.
In fact, the NAACP uses the term and their whole organization is devoted to fighting racism so I think this is just a you thing.
How much antisemitism is there in the democrat party these days?
You mean the political party whose head in the Senate is Jewish? You mean the political party most Jews in the US belong to?
I've never heard much actual anti semitism coming from Democrats. What I have heard a lot of
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Man, you're ridiculous. Good luck with that.
Re: The face that launched a thousand shits (Score:2)
The NAACP uses "Colored People" for the same reason the UNCF uses "Negro". And for that matter its pretty much the same reason Huck Finn has a character named "Ni**er Jim".
Stop trying to find excuses to use offensive language.
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Stop trying to find excuses to use offensive language.
Stop inventing reasons to be offended.
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They're both cold blooded murderers. But the left elevates that kind of evil as long as they are attempt to be destabilizing to society, like the KKK, like the PLO, like Hamas etc
Wow, that sure means a lot coming from someone who is very likely one of the fascist pig supporters of someone like Trump, someone who votes for destroying our representative democracy by allowing a convicted criminal, rapist, pedophile, and out-and-out traitor to become President of the United States.
Tell you what, you think you're a patriot? Then go throw yourself into a woodchipper, that's the best thing you can do for this country if you vote for motherfuckers like most of the Fascist Pig Party, former
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Still can't believe Chuck Mangione's son... (Score:3, Funny)
...killed that CEO.
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By that rationale, the CEOs' choices are bankruptcy or death.
Hardly. The CEO's choices are reducing profits, eliminating profit-based healthcare or quitting an unethical industry. Meanwhile, socialized medicine has proven itself as the best way forward, just ask anybody on Medicare. Anyway, given you probably don't have $500,000 USD in the bank for your next extended hospital stay, it's also the best way forward for you. And don't forget you can't make money to pay your insurance premium while you're in the hospital. That brings up this typical question: "Why should
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Maybe putting a gigantic cabal of parasites between the American people and their doctors whose only objective is to maximize the amount of money it extracts by soaking us and
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Mangione executed a mass murderer, something our legal system seemed incapable of doing.
More like someone who was committing institutionalized 'crimes against humanity'. Closer to the East India Company of the old British Empire than anything else, if you ask me. 'It's not personal, it's just business'.
I have it on good authority that if you can learn to devalue at least one person, you can more easily devalue others, and like killing, it gets easier as you do it more. The pharma-medical-industrial complex in this country is, overall, broken, it's been taken over by bean-counters and paper-sh
It fits (Score:3)
Bad Law (Score:5, Insightful)
The DMCA has always been bad law, and needs to be struck down. It's not that copyrights shouldn't be protected, but the means by which the DMCA goes about it is wrong.
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United "Healthcare", not Mangione, are making the claims.
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United "Healthcare", not Mangione, are making the claims.
Very smart. If they can prove he is just property of UMC to do with as they wish they may just have a case.
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Copyrights would generally be owned by the person who took the picture of his likeness, not Mangione himself, unless 1) it was a selfie, or 2) Mangione paid somebody to take pictures of him and it was part of the contract that he'd own the copyrights.
That said, Mangione would indeed have rights to his own likeness, especially if his likeness is used for commercial reasons [www.sanderslaw.group] -- copyright law is not the only thing involved here.
Further complicating things, some states have laws against profiting from your own c
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the problem is corruption, copyright laws are complete corrupt and are being used to cheat and steal from the public now
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The DMCA has always been a GOOD law - it is doing exactly what it is supposed to. You didn't think it was about respecting your rights did you? It was explicitly written to make it easy for large corporations to use to attack and difficult for individuals to use in defense.
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The DMCA doesn't need to be struck down (I myself have used it to get Github to remove some source code that I own that was illegally leaked and posted). What is needed is reform. STRONG penalties for anyone who claims to be the copyright holder of a work (or claims to be authorized by the copyright holder of a work) when in fact they are not. And STRONG penalties for any website that does not follow the DMCA counter-notice process and restore content when sent a valid DMCA counter-notice.
The DMCA anti-circ
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Re:The 3rd story about Mangina this month... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not that weird, it shows how astoundingly fucked up the American healthcare system is. People who have seen the victim of delay, deny, defend die as a result don't see a whole lot of difference. Except you know the latter is for money and at a much bigger scale, and much more cold blooded.
I'm not offering my personal opinion in this post, but if you cannot see how people can think like that that explains a lot of the problems with the system.
I'm not American and I've not been in the situation. Say I saw a loved one die after I forked over a huge pile of cash to an insurance company only for my loved one to die because the insurance company decided it was cheaper to not pay and fight than to pay the insurance I bought. Would I hail the guy as a hero? I don't know. Do you?
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Would I hail the guy as a hero? I don't know. Do you?
His approval rating is almost double our Congress average. So it’s clear Americans believe he is doing a better job. Even my mother in her 80s was ecstatic he was offed and she is a non politically minded centrist leaner. This is why the oligarchs are shitting themselves.
Re:The 3rd story about Mangina this month... (Score:4, Informative)
Bin Ladden's death was celebrated. I didn't feel like celebrating as many publicly did, but I was glad he met his end. This CEO killed far more people yet we must be shamed if we even express any approval.
Re: The 3rd story about Mangina this month... (Score:5, Interesting)
The real heroes would be the 12 jurors who acquit him.
I can't imagine a quicker way to fix healthcare than to make it clear it's open season on executives who put profits over lives.
Re:The 3rd story about Mangina this month... (Score:4, Insightful)
If you zoom out, you might find that a better question is to ask yourself, what the hell was his victim doing, to be so unimaginably hated that the nation's response to the guy being cold bloodedly murdered was 50% "GOOD," 50% "oh I'm sooo sorry, but your claim for my sympathy has been denied," and 50% "the killer is a hero and I want his fat Italian penis in me."
People didn't celebrate Dillinger and Bonnie & Clyde because they approved of robbery, they celebrated them because they hated the victims - the banks and investment gamblers who'd caused the depression that had ruined millions of lives - that much. This is exactly that.
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Well, I'm already rated a troll so nothing to lose...
How about putting in a word for all those who have voted for those trying to block, roll back or otherwise obstruct any kind of community/government approach to providing healthcare. You know, the idea of coming together for the common good.
The healthcare system is shitty because we have been convinced that anything else is undemocratic and that those other people over there are undeserving of healthcare.
I'm sure the health industry is behind the lobbying
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This was something called exaggerating, which is something normal people will often do to get a point across. My summation was 50% exaggeration, 50% low humor via mentioning Luigi's sausage, and 50% a reference to the ancient Legendary Thread meme... which, like the thread of lore, is indeed 150% motherfucker.
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There's a picture of him surrounded by cops (Score:5, Interesting)
Somebody on Reddit did a side-by-side of Luigi surrounded by tons and tons of cops on his perp walk picture and a guy who killed 20 kids at a school. The guy who had killed the 20 kids had one cop versus the guy who had killed a single CEO who had the more cops around him than the other guy had killed kids...
To me like I said it made Luigi look like a martyr. But it occurred to me that if you spend the last 30 years watching cop shows it makes him look like he's scary and dangerous.
The point is it's amazing the amount of effort being put in to taking this one guy down as hard and as fast as they can.
That was a murderer not far from where that CEO was killed on the same day. Funny they haven't called that person yet
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To me like I said it made Luigi look like a martyr. But it occurred to me that if you spend the last 30 years watching cop shows it makes him look like he's scary and dangerous.
If you spent the last 30 years watching cop shows then what it does is make him look like he's a badass. It's only increasing his cachet to make him look scary and dangerous because that is what we respect in America. The police and the media are hand in hand in that.
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He was hund
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Try to imagine if all those school shooters (Score:2)
It doesn't help that they've been actively encouraging crazy people to
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Well, what I've learned from this fiasco is that the more evil of a man you are, the more women gush over you. But I think that was obvious to most of us since we hit adolescence.
Re: Try to imagine if all those school shooters (Score:2)
The only one who didn't seem interested in them was Jeffrey Dahmer.
Re: Try to imagine if all those school shooters (Score:2)
For one thing, he wasn't a billionaire.
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This is why hate / terror charges are a thing - when your target is not particularly the individual(s) you killed but a whole group, there are extra charges.
Re: There's a picture of him surrounded by cops (Score:2)
Somebody on Reddit did a side-by-side of Luigi surrounded by tons and tons of cops on his perp walk picture and a guy who killed 20 kids at a school. The guy who had killed the 20 kids had one cop versus the guy who had killed a single CEO who had the more cops around him than the other guy had killed kids...
Or one was more likely to be capped than the other. Anyways why don't you start going around shooting CEOs? It's right up your alley.
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Hey, I trademarked "balls" in 1979! DMCA!
No Gofundme for DEFENCE? Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
'a company spokesperson explained they prohibit "fundraisers for the legal defense of violent crimes."'
As long as the money won't go the perpetrator under any circumstances, it should be legitimate to raise cash to defend yourself. It's called 'Innocent until proven guilty'. Prosecutors have all the power in the courts - which is why we have rights for defendants, in an attempt to somewhat even the balance. Not a healthy rule.
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Prosecutors have all the power in the courts
What *specifically* do you think that sentence means? What power do prosecutors have in *courts* that other lawyers do not?
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Prosecuting attorneys have an infinite budget. Defendants do not.
Haha good one. Trump effectively has just as much money to spend on legal defense as the federal government has to convict. In fact, they are soon to be the same purse until the end of his days.
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But we're talking specifically about the courts. Prosecutors do not work for the courts, and their budget isn't set by the court. Besides which, they do have a budget, and it can run out during a trial. I've seen it happen. Expert witnesses don't get called in because there is no budget for it, or evidence isn't processed, or there simply isn't a budget to hire enough prosecutors. This happened in Missouri, if I remember correctly. There were so few prosecutors working that their pending cases would time ou
but it's not fair that public defenders have an hi (Score:2)
but it's not fair that public defenders have an high case load vs the Prosecutors case load
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Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Perry
More fine examples of the far right being perfect ok with murder as long as their side does it. Daniel Perry murdered unarmed civilians with a car and was pardoned by the scumbag governor of Texas.
Perry claimed self-defense and claimed that Foster had pointed his weapon at him, but eyewitnesses contradicted this account.
I'm shocked that the murderer is a liar, too. Perry was sentenced to 25 years in prison
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You are confusing the right a violent criminal defendant has to raise a defense fund and the right of a company to choose whom they do business with/for.
If Gofundme does not want to assist violent criminals in raising money that is well within their rights.
He's not a violent criminal (Score:4, Insightful)
He's a person accused of being a violent criminal. Until that is proved, he should be treated as any other member of the public. Treating him differently beyond what is absolutely necessary - which may include remanding in custody - is to deny the principle 'innocent until proven guilty'. This reflects the truth that prosecutors often get it wrong, so society must not add to the burden on an accused simply because he has been accused.
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He's a person accused of being a violent criminal. Until that is proved, he should be treated as any other member of the public. Treating him differently beyond what is absolutely necessary - which may include remanding in custody - is to deny the principle 'innocent until proven guilty'. This reflects the truth that prosecutors often get it wrong, so society must not add to the burden on an accused simply because he has been accused.
I strongly agree with you in almost every way, except one. I don't think anyone should be compelled to associate with or do business with anyone else, unless it's discrimination based on race, creed, sexual orientation etc.
If GoFundMe wants to distance themselves from this guy, that's understandable. It's not dissimilar from not wanting someone with charges laid as your babysitter. Sure, maybe they're innocent... in fact you hope they are. But keeping a certain distance to keep your home or your busin
Companies should be ETHICAL (Score:2)
Which should mean reflecting the values of the society which they serve. Which is why they should not 'discrimine based on race, creed, sexual orientation etc'. Neither should they discriminate just because the state has made allegations about a person - especially when raising money on their platform may enable the accused to get justice which they might not otherwise. So they may need to be discerning - allowing only the raising of money for the defence lawyers, not more generally. But the alternative is
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I don't think anyone should be compelled to associate with or do business with anyone else, unless it's discrimination based on race, creed, sexual orientation etc.
And why exactly do you draw the line there? Either nobody should be compelled to associate or do business with anyone else, or not. Yes, if some business owner decides he isn't going to do business with people because they're black (or white, or Martian), I agree that's stupid. How is all that any different from discriminating against of person because they're accused of a crime? (That said, obviously I think if this guy did it he's a monster, and the idea that people are donating to a defense fund to this
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I don't think anyone should be compelled to associate with or do business with anyone else, unless it's discrimination based on race, creed, sexual orientation etc.
And why exactly do you draw the line there? Either nobody should be compelled to associate or do business with anyone else, or not. Yes, if some business owner decides he isn't going to do business with people because they're black (or white, or Martian), I agree that's stupid. How is all that any different from discriminating against of person because they're accused of a crime? (That said, obviously I think if this guy did it he's a monster, and the idea that people are donating to a defense fund to this degree is appalling, but I doubt it's going to help this twit.)
I think in 2024 you draw the line where the US government does. Race, creed, orientation. You don't get to not make a wedding cake because the couple is gay. You don't get to disallow black people at your golf course. You don't get to deny Christians food at your restaurant.
"Accused criminal" isn't a protected class of person, and I'm thinking it shouldn't be. Except... maybe things like banks and grocery stores.
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Your argument violates Hume's law, and only REALLY stupid people put forth an argument that does that.
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Your argument violates Hume's law, and only REALLY stupid people put forth an argument that does that.
Pretentious? Check.
Forces the person being replied-to to look up obscure reference? Check.
Insult presented as established fact without supporting reason? Check.
Devoid of actual rebuttal or discussion? Check.
Caps for trying to instill a sense of authority or accuracy? Check.
Five stars out of five, would ignore/mock again.
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If you think Hume's law is obscure you really need to CHECK your level of education.
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If you think Hume's law is obscure you really need to CHECK your level of education.
I've got a level mauve education. Checked the card twice. I mean, it's not puce, but at least it's not lavender. I just didn't minor in meandering off-topic conversational techniques of evasion, so most of what I know applies to actual situations.
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Hume's law is extremely basic. Most people intuitively follow it, even without being aware of its existence. C.f., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] (see also the Wolfenden report). Today no one accepts Devlin's argument. Why is that? Hume's law.
Note: I am not British.
of course gofundme left an out (Score:2)
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It's a stupid policy regardless. If I murder someone in front of a hundred upstanding citizens, while holding up government-issued ID and shouting my name and saying I'm murdering the person because they irritated me... I still would deserve a vigorous defense in a court of law to explain my actions and ensure a fair trial and appropriate sentence.
It's fundamental to the system, and anyone who stands against that is an ignorant fool.
Don't want to glorify violence (Score:3)
Luigi should've announced a run for President... after all Trump said he could shoot someone and still get elected.
What, not Nintendo? (Score:2)
If you are going to fake a DMCA notice, at least "go big" and claim to be Nintendo!
The fact that people are celebrating this guy (Score:2)
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Contemplate these scenarios:
A worker is murdered by another worker in a work environment.
A worker is killed by equipment which was not inspected by the safety officer
A worker is killed by equipment which was not inspected by the safety offic
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Expect no reward for serving the wicked.
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While people dislike his victim he was still above all a family man
So were many who died during the delay, deny, defend phase of attempting to get the insurance they paid for to pay for their lifesaving care as it was supposed to.
What was his real crime?
In a technical sense, none. Turns out what the insurance companies do is legal, even when it kills people.
oversaw the bigger picture parts of the operation of an insurance compony
If the buck doesn't stop with the CEO, where does it stop? These companies are
Oh good luck with that. (Score:2)
I have three different Flux LoRAs trained specifically on Luigi Mario. I contributed a handful of meme pics myself, like the one of Luigi Mario in a leather jacket and T-shirt, thumbs upraised like The Fonz. There's no calling any of those back, but actively trying to suppress these now is going to be met with an AI-accelerated Streisand Effect. Even if Civitai pulls them down, they've been up for over a week, and there's nothing to stop us from sharing these with each other even if they're taken down.