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Comment Re:full-size electric pickup (Score 1) 180

You should read your own source. Ford is struggling in Europe which is why it's making such a big investment.

My own source says there is a lot of struggling in Europe right now, not just with Ford.

So what? SUVs still sell very well

They do, but pickups sell better. You are arguing for vehicles that sell worse so I though that worth noting.

No one over here buys those little budget Euro cars but the whole world buys small and midsized sedans. You know, like the Asians sell to us

Yes. The Civic was the only car to make the top ten list here. Could a North American made analogue do so? Seems highly unlikely today. I'm too lazy to check when one last did. I expect it has been a long, long time.

It would be the same risk if they weren't all in on a vehicle type likely to plunge in sales when the next recession hits? Nope, that's not how reality works. If they had a robust car lineup that people knew they could have pivoted in that direction.

Selling cars here is a money loser right now, that is why they don't do it. Maintaining unprofitable portfolios is certainly not free of risk in its own right, and it makes no sense to pivot for a blip. People buy less vehicles overall in a recession, not just large ones. You seem to think somehow a recession would create permanent market change, but it is just a wave. If we have another recession it may effect buying habits for a year or two and then things will go back to normal. Just like every time before.

Anyway appreciate the polite debate. Have a great day!

Comment Re:full-size electric pickup (Score 1) 180

More like only market and even then only a part of it which makes them incredible vulnerable to disturbances in said market.

I use Ford as an example but GM and Stellantis (who own Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS Automobiles, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall) are also global companies. Ford is also investing in Europe, but the market there is volatile for everyone, not just them. https://www.freep.com/story/mo...

BMW and Mercedes also make large vehicles to sell to Americans as well.

Yeah I had an X5 as a loaner when my car was in for service a while back. It is very nice but definitely massive. But it is also not a pickup, and those are still the top sellers here.

This wouldn't be a risk if they also made smaller vehicles both for the US and foreign markets.

I'm sure they could relatively easily bring their small European models to NA if there was a big enough market. I'm expect they have run the numbers and decided not to.

US auto companies are in the exact place they were in around 2006/2007, just waiting for a recession to wipe out demand for their market niche. This wouldn't be a risk if they also made smaller vehicles both for the US and foreign markets.

It would be exactly the same risk. They actually still sold small cars here in 2008 and it apparently did not help. Any increase in small car sales after 2008 was short lived, the economy recovered, and people went back to what they liked. Not sure why this is a problem.

Comment Re:full-size electric pickup (Score 1) 180

Majority in the US and maybe Canada, sure.

North American car companies primary market.

That doesn't change the fact that American auto companies are forfeiting a ton of money by essentially giving up on the domestic car market as even with it being in the minority it's still worth a shit ton of money.

Sure. Foreign car companies are also forgoing major profits by giving up on the North American truck market (except for Toyota, who everyone here loves to hate on but know exactly what they are doing).

This was necessary because the only thing US automakers were making was high priced gas guzzlers and far less people wanted those given the economic conditions.

That didn't last.

Fast forward to today and US auto manufacturers haven't learned a damn thing, all their eggs are still in the same one basket.

They build what people want. In Europe they sell different models from what they sell in the US. This is how it should be, tailoring your lineup to your market. They have plenty of eggs. Which eggs people want varies from place to place,

https://media.ford.com/content...

Comment Re:full-size electric pickup (Score 1) 180

The 90s is when the Big 3 realized that profit margins on cars and small trucks was pathetic, and the goal was basically get everyone into a Suburban.

There are plenty of cars available. From Civics and Corollas to compact and full size BMWs and Benzes. Did I mention only one car made the top ten in Canada? That is not some nefarious brainwashing plot, they are available and people don't want them. That people don't like the same things you do is not a defect. If you look at the history of North American cars, they have always been big. I think they peaked in the 60s or 70s, but my dad's 90's Oldmobile 98 was not small, nor was the neighbor's Town Car. Trucks and SUVs are simply the modern evolution of this. Big, spacious, luxurious, and much more capable than those big sedans. Compact cars have always been a niche here. That is just reality.

The average new vehicle cost is around $50,000.

And?

but if people want small nimble vehicles and the Big 3 are only making huge trucks, well, they're buying imports.

Or not buying them. Did I mention only one car made the Canadian top ten list?

Comment Re: full-size electric pickup (Score 1) 180

Most people I've talked to specifically about this issue say they got them because they want to sit higher up because they are afraid of driving

I'm not very acquainted with this fear of driving set. People who are afraid to drive probably shouldn't. Like at all. My equal and opposite anecdote is that nobody I know who owns a truck or SUV (and I know a lot) wishes they had bought a car, with the exception of a handful who wish they could buy station wagons (but not ordinary wagons - more like M340i Tourings or S6 Avants - these people are not afraid of driving).

There are countless sedans and coupes that are nice and capable conveyances. That doesn't explain people buying oversized pickups.

It may not explain it to you. That is a specific rather than a general problem.

Comment Re:full-size electric pickup (Score 5, Insightful) 180

MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT A "FULL-SIZED" FUCKING TRUCK. THEY'RE TOO GODDAMN BIG.

Here in Canada full size pickups from Ford, GM, and Ram are the 1st, 3rd and 4th best selling vehicles. 2nd is Toyota RAV4. Only one car made the top ten.

https://www.brockfordsales.com...

The suggestion by many here that people are somehow involuntarily coerced into buying these trucks is ludicrous. It is not a conspiracy. People buy them because they are nice and capable conveyances and they can afford them. Manufacturers make them because people like buying them.

More people need to spend more time trying to enjoy their own lives instead of obsessing over what other people are doing.

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