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European PS3 Launch Delayed to 2007 440

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An anonymous reader writes "Sony has finally admitted that the November release date for the release of the PS3 is unfeasible. Specifically, it will not be available in any PAL territories until March 2007. Sony cites '(a) delay in the mass production schedule of the blue laser diode', forming a critical part of the much-maligned Blu-Ray drive. With the Xbox 360 having been released for almost 6 months in overseas markets, and the Wii looming large, can Sony afford a delay like this?" Update: 09/06 17:58 GMT by Z : Just to make sure you caught it, the announcement includes the word that the U.S. will only be getting 400,000 units at launch in November, with Japan at 100,000 units. Go Sony.
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European PS3 Launch Delayed to 2007

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  • no surprise then (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bitchell (159219) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:03AM (#16051387) Journal
    Sony really seem to be shooting themselves in the foot lately, even if this isn't their fault.
    • by boatofcar (884925) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:05AM (#16051402)
      Consequently, the European PS3 will be be bundled with Sony's new killer app, Duke Nukem Forever.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Monkeys!!! (831558)
      I would say that have run out of feet and are busily working through their kneecaps.
    • It is their fault (Score:5, Insightful)

      by _xeno_ (155264) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:11AM (#16051439) Homepage Journal

      The only reason they're using Blu-ray in the PS3 is to try and take over the HD media market. So, yes, this is their fault. If the stuck with DVD which is more than adequate for next-gen gaming, they wouldn't be having this problem and the PS3 might have already launched.

      But their insistance on trying to abuse a monopoly they don't actually have is causing them to become more and more of a joke and less and less likely to be even relevant this generation. If it winds up being a choice between a $300 Wii now and a $600 PS3 months from now the choice of which to buy becomes even easier than it was before.

      • by MaestroSartori (146297) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:42AM (#16051651) Homepage
        No, it's because games are starting to fill DVDs and as a game developer I can tell you we'll need a lot more space pretty soon. At least with BluRay we'll have enough space for a few years, 360 and Wii could well be hitting the limit for data-storage on disk at launch, no room to expand later without a new hardware revision.

        Whether it's a wise decision to futureproof this much remains to be seen.
        • by KlomDark (6370) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @10:01AM (#16051786) Homepage Journal
          "Filling DVDs you are? Size matters not. Look at Yoda. Judge him by his size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship. Better much it is your focus to be on games which to play are intricate and interesting. Filling DVDs indeed. Fill my pants, I could too. More fun would it make me? No."
        • by Burlap (615181)
          use two disks... problem soved. Sure, you will need to dupicate some of the textures, but for any liniar style game you can devide the game in half and only store the world textures for the part you need
          • Dunno about you, but I always hated disk swapping myself as a gamer.
            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              Hated it enough to spend an extra 300 bucks to stop it?
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by soft_guy (534437)
              When I read the GPP, I assmed he meant that the console would have two DVD drives instead of one so that you could insert both disks at the same time. Upon reading his comment more carefully, I realize that he actually meant swapping the disks in and out. If the console involved swapping disks in and out, then I for one would not buy or play such a console.
        • Re:It is their fault (Score:5, Interesting)

          by masklinn (823351) <slashdot.org@PER ... .net minus punct> on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @10:13AM (#16051883)

          No, it's because games are starting to fill DVDs and as a game developer I can tell you we'll need a lot more space pretty soon.

          The only things I see filling my PC games DVDs are huge-ass textures and buttloads of crappy useless cinematics & cutscenes.

          If Oblivion didn't hit anywhere near the DVD storage limit, i don't see how anyone but Square-Enix and their "15 minutes of cinematics for each 5 minutes of game" can get above...

          • Textures, localised audio and video, its surprisingly easy to fill a DVD.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by elendril (15418)
          The only reason for these absurd space requirements is the tendency for game developpers to believe that including hours of cutscenes will make up for loosy gameplay and total lack of scenario.

          Given that many games really fun to play take only a few megabytes, I cannot believe that any reasonnable game would require more than a DVD until some years.
        • by Wind_Walker (83965) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @10:50AM (#16052256) Homepage Journal
          It's amazing, isn't it? How you, as a "game developer" are more concerned about disk space than about gameplay? How many CDs did Pac Man fill? How many times did you have to swap cartridges playing through The Legend of Zelda? Were you frustrated when you scratched the disk of your Super Mario Brothers 3 cartridge?

          Gameplay has stagnated in the past 10 years - since the Playstation era. There have been no new innovations in gameplay in that time, only improved graphics. The only games which come to mind with innovative gameplay are games like Guitar Hero with its specialty hardware. Of course, Wii is looking to change all that.
          • by nick_davison (217681) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @02:19PM (#16054038)
            It's amazing, isn't it? How you, as a "game developer" are more concerned about disk space than about gameplay?

            In a discussion about format size, an observation about format size is simply an on topic discussion. It has nothing to do with priorities and nor does it imply priority.

            It's kind of like saying, in a discussion about dogs getting loose, "The thought of getting bitten is a real concern for me." and having someone leap forward with, "How can you worry about being bitten when babies are dying in Africa!"

            I work for a games company too. I think more capacity, more power, more everything is a good thing. If you pay attention, you'll note I didn't say add "at the expense of gameplay" or "more so than gameplay." Gameplay remains a primary concern but it doesn't stop capacity from still being a good thing as an additional way to push the genre forward.

            How many CDs did Pac Man fill?

            And, given that Pacman is still released semi regularly for the Gameboy, as part of "classic" collections for the PS2/Xbox, etc., how much do people still play it?

            Yeah, it was a great game for its time. Yeah, for its time it sucked in far more of our time than most modern games do. But, standing against modern games like say Oblivion with its wealth of content, it captures maybe half an hour of a modern gamer's interest. Now compare it to World Of Warcraft. Even in its heyday, did its median player play for anywhere near the amount of time the median player of a modern classic plays for?

            At the end of the day, whilst gameplay is core, there's a reason why most gamers, exposed to what a whole DVD full of content can be like, play older games and quickly get bored, realizing PacMan is nothing more than repetition of the same concept, requiring four or five core strategies, repeated for 255 levels.

            Were you frustrated when you scratched the disk of your Super Mario Brothers 3 cartridge?

            No, we were frustrated when dust got in to it and no amount of blowing would get it to work again.

            Gameplay has stagnated in the past 10 years - since the Playstation era. There have been no new innovations in gameplay in that time, only improved graphics.

            To name the first few the immediately come to mind...

            Tomb Raider (and its clones) - a genre of gaming that didn't exist before the PS1.

            Massively Multiplayer online worlds with human to human interaction on a level of accessibility that text based systems never had.

            Sandbox games like the Grand Theft Auto series (that, curiously, only become possible with enough depth of content that relies on the large storage you disdain).

            The only games which come to mind with innovative gameplay are games like Guitar Hero with its specialty hardware.

            Unlike the classic arcade games of yore. None of which required trackballs instead of joysticks, afterburner cabinets that turned upside down, VR headsets or lightguns.

            Of course, Wii is looking to change all that.

            The Wii is, by definition, specialty hardware. It introduces a new class of, admittedly more reusable than many, peripheral.

            If you're determined to look at a single aspect of any given argument, you can confirm your beliefs. If one only looks at numbers of children killed, guns are bad. If one only looks at numbers of crimes stopped, guns are good. Neither is that impressive of an argument to more open minded people.

            Similarly, you saw a game dev comment on storage with no mention of gameplay either way and saw it simply as a confirmation of your beliefs that tech is more important to him than gameplay - despite absolutely no supporting evidence. You complain about how easy modern discs may be to scratch, ignoring how easy cartridges were to get dust in to (I for one have had far less frustration with scratched discs than I ever had with 5.25" floppies that got fingerprints on them or 16K ram packs that fell out of the back of ZX81s everytime I typed hard). You lament
          • by Blakey Rat (99501) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @02:53PM (#16054313)
            Stop wheeling out that goddamned nostalgia-inspired "games suck nowadays, when I was a kid they were good." Guess what else? You could get a hamburger for a nickel! The reason you think games were good is because BAD GAMES DO NOT GET REMEMBERED. They don't show up on top 10 of all-time lists, they don't get talked about fondly, they get forgotten. And so when you think back, you're thinking of only the best of the best.

            Christ. What we need on the Internet is some kind of device that can detect nostalgia and gives you a shock whenever you start to type a grumpy grandpa-type post like the parent's.

            Oh, and of course, Nintendo is going to rise and save us all from our dreary fate... that's a staple of Slashdot posts.
        • What games? (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Sycraft-fu (314770)
          Thus far the only legit use I've heard of for that extra space is HD cutscenes. Ok that's maybe got some nifty factor to it, but that's just a movie. I'm not getting a game to watch a movie, I'm getting it to play. So, really, what games are going to need more than 9GB of assets? You have to remember, there are two real limits to the amount of assets you can put in a game:

          1) Time to make them. Nice as it would be to make a virtually unlimited environment, you simply can't afford to do it. You have to stick
      • Another company goes and makes the mistakes of getting in an arms race, confusing engineering prestige with marketability, and selling themselves on it by believing projections of a growing market. So they make the biggest, baddest thing out there, a real technological wonder, and at the same time the market shows little interest in growing that way, all those technological improvements create bottlenecks in their supply chain so they can't even deliver to those few who would buy it.

        HD media market is a ma
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by choupette (645734)
      They want blu ray in their consoles, it *is* their fault. As if they hadn't learn the umd lesson.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by aplusjimages (939458)
        As if they hadn't learn the umd lesson.

        If they didn't learn their lesson from mini-disc then I'm sure UMD was never on their mind as well. Looks like Blu-Ray will be losing this battle.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Fred Or Alive (738779)
          Was MiniDisc that unsucessful? Perhaps as a pre-recorded format, but as a replacement for cassettes it seemed to be reasonabley sucessful in the late '90s before MP3 players replaced them in turn. It certainley wasn't a Sony only format, several other companies produced recorders / players at the time.

          But UMD does seem to be a screwup (I though they were going to create other players for the video / music discs or something).

          Sony have created other sucessful formats, like the 3.5" floppy disc, and the Betac
          • Sony have created other sucessful formats, like the 3.5" floppy disc, and the Betacam professional videotape formats. No-one seems to remember them...

            The 3.5" floppy was only successful because of Apple, not Sony (see Wikipedia quote below), and Betacam doesn't count because it was "professional" rather than mass-market.

            Sony introduced their own small-format 90.0 × 94.0 mm disk, similar to the others but somewhat simpler in construction than the AmDisk. The first computer to use this format was the H

    • by Greyfox (87712)
      Seems like they can't get a console out the door to save their lives. Perhaps they should partner with the makers of the Phantom game console.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by mgblst (80109)
      Not only Europe, but Australia http://www.smh.com.au/news/games/no-playstation-fo r-christmas/2006/09/06/1157222189890.html/ [smh.com.au]...

      (and probably many other places)

      Now they are really in trouble.
      • by masklinn (823351)

        (and probably many other places)

        Only PAL areas won't have any console. On the other hand, supply will be extremely short: Japan will only get 100.000 PS3 on launch day (fyi Nintendo sells between 120.000 and 190.000 DS Lites every week there, and only because they can't produce more than that, and Square's Final Fantasy III DS sold 330.000 on launch day), and North America will have 400.000 PS3 at launch...

        Preorder yours now and sell it for a zillion bucks on ebay, I say.

        • by masklinn (823351)

          Oh yeah, and I forgot that one: we still don't know the ratio of Core vs Premium at launch day in JP or US.

          Since this is Sony after all, they'll probably go with 50% Core...

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by tompatman (936656)
      It is their fault. They are the ones who insisted on pumping the PS3 full of bleeding edge technology, expected the best and never planned for the worst. There are always big risks with using the latest and greatest.
  • by AbRASiON (589899) * on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:03AM (#16051389) Journal
    I've got ask now, does anyone else feel that Sony are completely screwing up everything with the PS3?

    No really, no troll, no Xbox fanboy'ery - seriously, what the hell is going on with Sony?

    I've been following the news on these new consoles from the beggining, there's always been a fairly steady stream of rumours, proven to be true / false, comments, press releases etc, however one thing has stayed solid throughout, Sony keep having bad stuff to say.

    There's the price, people speculated for ages, Sony prepared us for a high price with the "you should get a second job, because our console is so great" - the Sony fanboys responded with "they are using reverse psychology, it's going to be well priced, you'll see" (hell not just fanboys, game journalists said this too!) - then bam, 600$

    Then they've got 2 units (sku's you Americans call them?) - why?! Don't copy Microsoft it was stupid of them too, it dilutes the market and makes it harder for developers to target a SINGLE stable platform, which is what console gaming and development is about! (idiots! both MS and Sony, bloody idiots!)

    Then there's enforced blu-ray, which they may see as a bonus, we may or may not, depending where our loyalties lie.

    Then there's the removal of rumble, then there's the loss of GTA4 as an exclusive, then there's delays to PAL regions, then there's rumours of less of them coming out at launch than suspected (it goes on!)
    Then there's developer rumours "totally difficult to code for" then there's more rumours "isn't that much more powerful than 360" then there's screenshots pretty much showing it's really not that substantially better

    Also the unit is quite a bit bigger than the X360!
    The unit is using bluetooth, rumoured to have shitty latency for wireless controllers

    On top of all the rumours and debates / speculation, every comment from Sony exec's seems like they are making it up as they go along, not really 100% solid on anything? - it sounds like a small nitpick but for goodness sakes I'm serious, I really am having trouble beleiving anything, some of the things they confirm / deny or speculate it can do seems like the person at the time is just thinking "that sounds good!" and the poor saps in engineering need to figure it out.

    Case in point, E3 last year the "mock up" PS3 came with a boomerang controller, it had 2 HDMI out ports, it supported 7 controllers and had 3 network ports, it was capable of pretty much anything according to Sony.
    At the time, I call them on it saying due to Microsoft surprisingly announcing the X360 much more complete than expected 1 week before E3, Sony panicked, pulled out a beta unit from the development cupboard, stuck a backplate on the empty plastic box and grabbed a beta controller to boot!
    The back of the 2005 E3 model was a joke, it was like some dickhead manager was telling the illustrator designed, no no copy and paste, we want more of that port and more of this port, more ports! yeah! - 2/3 of them removed now, hummmmmmmm

    You've also got Sony far less capable of making a decent unified online system like live as well (no, not an MS fanboy, see my post history, I'm just a cynic)

    I do NOT WANT Microsoft running the gaming industry then nickel and diming us gamers with microtransactions and monthly / yearly fees, so I need Sony to do fairly well, but they are arrogantly riding on brand loyalty assuming they will be the best period, I feel they could be wrong.
    (Yes, I'm also aware Sony would nickel and dime us like MS with microtransactions and fee's HOWEVER I firstly don't feel Sony would do it as aggressively and secondly with competition Sony can at least keep MS in check)

    Either way the PS3 (in my opinion) thus far has been a shambles, a complete ballsup of epic proportions, I hope it does work out and I hope it does drop price, but at this rate who knows.
    • by lovebyte (81275) * <lovebyte2000@ g m a i l .com> on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:11AM (#16051443) Homepage
      Maybe, just maybe, Sony has tried to innovate a bit too much? New type of processor, new type of disc drive, HD. I am pretty annoyed at Sony but compared to the Xbox360, the PS3 is much more innovative. Can't we expect delays then?
      Anyway, like about everyone I know, I'll buy a Wii when it comes out and not a PS3, so this delay is not that relevant to me.
      • by AbRASiON (589899) * on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:22AM (#16051515) Journal
        It's not the delay that bothers me, it's the entire Sony news as a whole, they just sound like a flopping fish on the bank of a river, desperate to get back on track.

        As for trying such advanced technology, they've been raving and ranting about this bloody Cell CPU for what 3, 4 YEARS! is it actually that good anymore, by todays standards?

        Oh here's another snippet of their bullshit

        Quote from shacknews.com

        "One of the more unorthadox features discussed in the interview is the planned ability for PSP to serve as a remote terminal for PS3, such that PSP users could watch PS3 content and interact with a PS3 over a network. Apparently, the PS3's Cell processor is what makes this possible. "The power of the Cell will be put to use," said Kawanishi. "If you don't have this much power, this cannot be realized." It is unclear if players would actually be able to engage in PS3 gameplay remotely using a PSP. Issues such as how content would be appropriately scaled down to accomodate the lower-resolution PSP screen were not discussed"

        What a load of cobblers, the feature they are discussing requires good software, it has NOTHING to do with the power of the processor in the PS3. It's these kind of marketing / pr bullshit spins which makes me take everything they say with a large serving of salt.
        • by tbannist (230135)
          I think maybe it's time for Sony shareholders to find themselves a new board of directors, because the current leadership at Sony is displaying an apalling amount of incompetence. Underestimating public backlashes, constantly failing to meet production schedules, making contradictory public announcements about the state of production for one of their flagship products. Displaying the same goods 2 years in a row at trade shows. They're going to be in for a world of pain if they let the PS3 launch date sli
        • by thatguywhoiam (524290) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @10:38AM (#16052150)
          What a load of cobblers, the feature they are discussing requires good software, it has NOTHING to do with the power of the processor in the PS3. It's these kind of marketing / pr bullshit spins which makes me take everything they say with a large serving of salt.

          Actually you answered your own question. To down-rez, say, an HD movie, and stream it as H.264 or MPEG-4 over the air via WiFi to the PSP would require a hefty chunk of CPU, particularly the kind of DSP'ish CPU like the Cell.

          As to your "WTF is with Sony lately" question...

          The problem is that you have been tracking it. The consoles always launch this way. There's tons of doubletalk, trash-talk, overhype, you name it. And Sony being the undisputed 'winner' last-go-round of the consoles certainly puts them in the spotlight.

          Sony has done a lot of dumb shit but I actually see them starting to turn around. They have a very radical CEO now (for Sony, anyways) but the corporation is a huge multiheaded hydra. It takes forever for big decisions to trickle down. (Not really cutting them slack here, but it is what it is.) For instance I noticed when they dropped ATRAC3, they did not replace it with another lame proprietary format. MiniDisc, retired (and it was very popular in the UK for a while, as well as pro audio field recording - hardly a failure. Ignorance to call it that.) The PSP does not play back any protected audio formats, only plain old AAC, MP3, unprotected WMA, WAV etc. All the Sony Ericsson phones I've used, same thing - no DRM. I bluetooth stuff happily back and forth with nary a complaint. So they do learn. We geeks have long memories.

          Sony is not doing poorly financially, although they could be doing better, but to say they are 'in the red' is inaccurate:

          Sony Computer Entertainment reported revenue of 122.5 billion yen ($1.06 billion), down from revenue of 172.8 billion yen ($1.5 billion) during Q1 2006. The division had an operating loss of 26.8 billion ($232.3m) compared to a lost of 5.9 billion yen ($51.1m) during the same quarter last year. This was largely due to lower PS2 and PSP hardware sales, as well as lower PS2 software sales. Sony shipped 2.54 million PS2s and 2.02 million PSPs during the quarter. PS2 software sales dropped to 33 million units, down from 35 million units while PSP software sales increased to 9.1 million units, up from 4.9 million units.

          Now, I agree that they have seemingly made a number of tactical mistakes with the PS3; the price is off, the blu-ray is premature, and the bifurcation of the models is idiotic. But I have also watched Sony for a long time, and I know they actually perform best when their back is against the wall. You notice all the tribulations because a) you actually follow some of this and b) they have just finished a massive restructuring, right up to the CEO. So yeah, continue to beat on them, but it is foolish to write them off - its practically a zaibatsu, its not going anywhere. Personally I want to see them feel the heat from Nintendo and MS. If any one of them dominates, it has been proven over and over again that this is a bad thing for the industry, overall.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by UbuntuDupe (970646)
        Maybe, just maybe, Sony has tried to innovate a bit too much? New type of processor, new type of disc drive, HD.

        In regard to innovation, you forgot to mention Sony's pioneering of the use of a motion-sensing wireless controller, which no one had really thought to do before. Nintendo may try to copy this and claim it was their idea. We'll have to wait and see what the Wii has in store. November will be interesting. [/sarcasm if you couldn't tell by now]
      • by Xugumad (39311)
        Exactly. Although the biggest issue is their inability to realise this early on, and limit the damage, rather than carrying on regardless. Looking at the estimated components costs (from http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/2 0 060906013432.html [xbitlabs.com] ):

        "According to Merrill Lynch research company, the most expensive component of the PlayStation 3 will be its Blu-ray disk drive, which will initially cost $350. The second most expensive part of the gaming machine will be the Cell processor which will cos
      • Not sure I agree with your conclusion on those three items

        1) New type of processor = sony innovation (every console has a new type of processor, Sony deviates from the old one enough to be an innovative thought)
        2) New type of disc drive = push Bluray == HD-DVD (including it in the base an inovation compared to an add on is a niceity not an innovation)
        3) HD = the first Xbox was able to do HD

        The PS3 for basically everything but the cell processor, it's almost a "me-too" game: Xbox has downloads, a hard drive,
        • I believe MS has innovated on a software level with the Xbox 360. Most of the innovations you'd never realize unless you actually owned one but there's some pretty cool stuff there. Some of it is an evolution of what they offered on the Xbox 1 but a lot of it is just plain NEW.

          Probably most notably is the profile system. If you play on the console you have a profile (and if you have an Xbox Live account your account IS your profile). All of your game saves are stored under your profile. so if you're shar
    • by Ignignot (782335) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:13AM (#16051460) Journal
      Come over to the wii water. It is warm. mmmmm.
      • by AbRASiON (589899) * on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:18AM (#16051488) Journal
        What BLOWS me away is I'm actually considering the Wii the most!
        ME! the wii, I'm an anti-nintendo guy, I don't like kiddy games (it's a generalisation I know there's a few normal ones) and heck I'm a tech geek, so it's underpowered for me - the controller is a gimmick and they focus primarily on party / mp games whereas I'm a single player gamer who likes storyline.

        None the less! Somehow the Wii is the most interesting, it seems like they are the only console manufacturer who haven't lost their minds!

        MS rushed the X360 (in my opinion) for Xmas and ended up making too many faulties plus they dropped the old Xbox 1 like a hot potato, hence treating their customers like shit.

        Sony, well see my post - they are nutcases

        Nintendo, well despite most of the stuff I said above they STILL sound the best overall, cheap, simple and likely fun - plus hell it'll be the cheapest so I can always re-sell it, PLUS I never owned a gamecube, so this gets me 2 consoles in one kind of.

        It's a wiin wiin situation for me.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Blakey Rat (99501)
          MS rushed the X360 (in my opinion) for Xmas and ended up making too many faulties plus they dropped the old Xbox 1 like a hot potato, hence treating their customers like shit.

          1) If you think Sony won't have the same percentage of faulties when the PS3 comes out, you're deluding yourself. Nintendo might have better quality control, but it might not.

          2) What makes you think they've "dropped the XBox 1 like a hot potato?" There's still tons of games coming out for it, they keep Live and Live Arcade running fo
          • by Detritus (11846)
            What makes you think they've "dropped the XBox 1 like a hot potato?"

            The problem is that they have stopped selling the hardware. I have a broken xbox that I would like to replace with a new xbox. I can't find anyone that has them in stock. I don't want to spend a bunch of money on an xbox 360, which has limited compatibility with my collection of xbox games. Besides, I don't have an HDTV, so why should I pay for HD capabilities?

      • Mmmm, the Wii water IS warm. And golden, just like beer.
    • (sku's you Americans call them?) - why?!
      That's Stock Keeping Unit - wharehouse management system speak for "part number". I've also seen SKUL (Stock Keeping Unit at a Location) used.
      </OT>
      • That's Stock Keeping Unit - wharehouse management system speak for "part number". I've also seen SKUL used.

        It's true. My warehouse, for example, keeps a lot of skulls. Though I don't advertise it on the front page!
    • by elrous0 (869638) * on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:18AM (#16051487)
      One of Sony's biggest problems (along with their seemingly insane devotion to their own proprietary formats and obsession with control) is something they've always done: early overhype. The same thing happened with the PS2. They put out so much overblown hype early on in their product announcements (making ridiculous claims like "this will be more powerful than a supercomputer" and other such bunk) that later, inevitably, when they have to pull back and announce REAL specs and features, it comes off as a disappointment.

      They are nothing less than the victims of their own unrealistic promises.

      -Eric

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by interiot (50685)

        It's not just hype, they actually believe it. Did they really plan to release a next-gen console 1.5 years after Microsoft did? They seemed to have believed that including a BluRay with every PS3 wasn't going to be too expensive of a loss leader, yet here they are, stopping shipments of blue lasers to everyone else until, what, mid 2007? just to be able to include a BluRay drive in every PS3 sold, even though the vast majority of people don't have HDTV's. That's got to be a huge opportunity cost right th

      • by Sp00nMan (199816)
        I have no idea why I want to say this so bad, as I'm usually very clean, but..

        It looks like Sony shot their load early.
      • by DrXym (126579)
        It seems fairly obvious that the most hyped next-gen machine by far is the Wii. I don't think either that you can claim that Sony is any worse than other console makers when it comes to proprietary formats or obsession with control. All console makers, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft have gone to extraordinary lengths to prevent copy protection and piracy.
      • by Reapman (740286)
        And we all know what a dismal failure the PS2 turned out to be...
    • by HAKdragon (193605)
      Then they've got 2 units (sku's you Americans call them?)
      While I agree with what you said - SKUs means Stock Keeping Unit. It's a term that's thrown around in a lot in retail.
    • by thelost (808451)
      the sony ps3 stopped being funny a while ago and is now in the hideous car wreck category you just can't help watching as it slowly wraps itself round a lamp-post.

      People will talk with their wallets though, i hope to see the ps3 stillborn.
    • Basicly they have to compete with MS. MS has lost Billions in entering the console market and continue to lose tons of money at it. They can afford to do this because of the windows/office cash cows. MS still has no plans to make money at this (the game business) for a number of years.

      How do you compete with a company that can afford not to make a profit? Sony and Nintendo have to be more inovative to compete. Sony went for interesting new architecture and the lure of a Hi-Def drive. Wii with the new contro
    • by DrXym (126579)
      Then there's enforced blu-ray, which they may see as a bonus, we may or may not, depending where our loyalties lie.

      I think the inclusion of blu-ray is a good thing simply from the point of view of future proofing. When the PS2 came out most of its games were on CDs. These days PS2 games are almost exclusively DVD. Some titles even ship with 2 or 3 of them. If the PS2 had been restricted to CD, it would have been a disaster for the platform.

      It seems pretty reasonable to assume that capacity requirements

    • In general i agree- clearly this launch is a mess, but a few nitpicks-

      Then they've got 2 units (sku's you Americans call them?) - why?!...it dilutes the market and makes it harder for developers to target a SINGLE stable platform...

      Both sku's are identical from a game development standpoint. Hard drive standard, Processors and RAM are identical..the only real difference between the two is the HDMI out. everything else (memory card readers, Wifi) is irrelevant.

      ...then there's the loss of GTA4 as an exc

    • by AbRASiON (589899) *
      While I'm at it,..

      Does anyone else feel Sony also might not be able to design the menu's / online service to be as slick as the X360?
      I don't own one but I've seen one, sure I have my beefs with MS but ultimately the menu for the X360 and the way live has been designed is just plain CLEVER.
      It's apple kind of clever (no, not an apple fan) - but hell it's just slick, simple and mostly logical - it works.

      I just have a hard time beleiving that Sony is going to make something as cool as Xbox live and manage to o
  • Obligatory (Score:5, Funny)

    by Stormwatch (703920) <<rodrigogirao> <at> <hotmail.com>> on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:04AM (#16051397) Homepage
    [NELSON] Ha ha! [/NELSON]
  • Bummer

    and

    Wiiiiiiii
  • by zyzko (6739) <kari.asikainen@g ... minus physicist> on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:10AM (#16051434)
    http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/North_America_ And_Japan_Also_Hit_By_PS3_Component_Crisis_10566_0 _0.htm [totalvideogames.com]

    400 000 units for USA and 100 000 for Japan - the launch starts to sound not-so-spectacular.

    Or is this clever marketing?
    • you would think that the slip from 2 million units at launch to half a million units at launch would be bigger news...
      • Well, for people in Europe "not launching" is bigger news than "those gits who are getting the console before us aren't going to get many".

        Have fun paying over the odds on Ebay! :-)
    • ...first everyone's complaining that at the price Sony is selling the PS3, no one is going to buy it.

      Then everyone's complaining that there aren't going to be enough for people to buy.

      Personally, I think the price issue was never going to be a real problem; the delays in getting large number of consoles to market, though, I think could really hurt them in this console generation.

  • So basically (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rik Sweeney (471717) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:14AM (#16051468) Homepage
    Nothing's changed:

    The PS3 was originally not going to be released in Europe until Q1 2007

    It then got brought forward to November 2006

    It then got put back to March 2007

    Not really much of a delay in my opinion...
    • Sony have gone back on their own announcement though. I'd imagine a lot of Europeans were sceptical about it of course. But they go on stage, say it'll be out in November, and now they've gone back on their word.

      Microsoft (just about) managed a EU / JP / NA release with the Xbox 360, and this means it'll have an 18 month headstart on the PS3 in Europe. Plus the Revolution will get a headstart as well. Then again, games companies don't really seem to care about Europe anyway...
    • by MrJynxx (902913)
      PS3 was to be launched Q1 2007 which is correct. However Q1 2007 starts in november of the previous year. So yea, they've missed the mark.

      I do find it VERY strange they're only giving 100k to Japan and 400k to the US. I thought it would be the other way around

      MrJynx
  • I always thought that the industry saw Europe as more important than the US as we tend to buy more of the Loco Rocos and Katamaris rather than the generic First Person Shooters. Guess I was wrong.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Phisbut (761268)
      I always thought that the industry saw Europe as more important than the US as we tend to buy more of the Loco Rocos and Katamaris rather than the generic First Person Shooters. Guess I was wrong.

      But it's the Americans who buy the shitload of Madden 2007, after having bought a shitload of Madden 2006, after having bought a shitload of Madden 2005... ... ...

      A company who makes a new-gen console which is the same old stuff but more powerful won't care about Katamaries and Loco Rocos, they only care about

  • by SilentOneNCW (943611) <silentdragon AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:20AM (#16051500) Homepage
    Short answer: No Long answer: No, they can't afford a delay like this.
  • Confusion (Score:2, Funny)

    by NereusRen (811533)
    Wait, I'm confused. An article critical of Sony that's NOT posted by Zonk? Wow, Sony might actually be in trouble!
  • by tygerstripes (832644) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:27AM (#16051547)
    I was going to jump on and say "Oh oh, more bad news for Sony".


    But then I thought, well... I dunno... somehow, everything is.

  • The Romero (Score:3, Funny)

    by Broken scope (973885) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:36AM (#16051604) Homepage
    This may be tired and old, but I think they are pulling a Romero, they did really well at first and then they got arrogant and it all went to hell.
  • 1) Point railgun at foot
    2) Fire
    3) Profit
  • by DrXym (126579)
    Wasn't planning on buying one for months anyway (let the suckers beta test it), but dumping a whole market for 6 months has got to hurt. Same thing happened with the PSP. It may well explain why PS3 hype has been pretty low key for something which is barely two months from release. Let's hope it goes well in the territories that it does sell into.
  • Sony does it again! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by laptop006 (37721) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @09:45AM (#16051672) Homepage Journal
    The best part of this is that several retailers here in Australia have been advertising pre-orders for the PS3 (notably $big_chain_store) and some of them were aiming it as a possible Christmas present for the kids, this is REALLY going to piss off any parents who were dumb enough to do so (although a pre-order for an A$1000 console is pretty high up there as it is).
    • by the_arrow (171557)
      Yeah, just the other day I was walking by a store here in Sweden, and saw a big sign about pre-ordering a PS3, with the november release date. I guess they should have waited a little while before making it.
  • by erroneus (253617) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @10:01AM (#16051784) Homepage
    I know, it's standard Slashdot fodder to talk about something big, important or well-known coming to an end, but I am really starting to wonder if Sony will be able to survive all of this stuff. Frankly, I don't want them to. But just off the top of my head, what does the general public know about Sony?

    * Rootkit CDs
    * Exploding batteries
    * Delays and Failures associated with their new proprietary DVD format
    * Delays and Failures resulting from the previously mentioned DVD stuff

    Sony used to be widely held up as the gold standard for quality and innovative design. As far as I was concerned, Sony "invented" everything. (I know that's not true, but still.) But with all this crap going on, it would seem that the company is not unified and is pulling itself apart by having too many leaders. Solutions that would seem obvious to everyone else, Sony is just too thick-headed to make happen. For example: Put out the PS3 with a REMOVABLE DVD drive that can later me upgraded to BlueRay when it's available. They can virtually sell the thing twice! Seems pretty obvious to me and I'm just a consumer with a worthless opinion and no experience in the industry.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by The-Bus (138060)

      But just off the top of my head, what does the general public know about Sony?

      They think this: "They make good TVs. They made the Walkman. I think my kid's CD player might be by them. Oh, and the Playstation? That's theirs too, right?"

      Sony (along with Microsoft) is one of the most trusted brands in the world. The incessant cackling and yapping from informed or opinionated sources on the Internet is like a toy whistle blowing during a rocket launch. The general public knows very little, unfortunately. Just b

  • Now is the time... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Bones3D_mac (324952) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @10:15AM (#16051907)
    ... for Nintendo to announce a Wii launch date. Speculation has placed the launch between October 2nd and November 15th, and many users are already foaming at the mouth to get a pre-order in. It's only a matter of time before Sony buckles and announces either mass-shortages on the PS3 this holiday season, assuming they even get it out the door by then.

    Nintendo has a perfect opportunity here to dominate a market it's been trailing behind in for the last decade, especially with folks like those who are holding out against the XBox 360 as their next game console. But they need to act quickly on this before anymore addictive next gen titles (like Dead Rising) end up falling into Microsoft's lap.

    Needless to say, I'm keeping a close eye on sites like EBGames for the instant they open the pre-order floodgates on the Wii.
  • I am thinking at this point they need something to come out with the Ps3 that really shakes up the community some. Something which will make people go to the PS3...

    The problem is the more they delay, the higher the price, the bigger that "something" needs to be.

    At this point I think it has to be a coupon redeemable for either a pony, or a years pass to a seedy massage parlour or you choice.
  • by Wind_Walker (83965) on Wednesday September 06, 2006 @11:07AM (#16052412) Homepage Journal
    Surprisingly, this is NOT the biggest PS3 news today. The biggest news is that they drastically cut [iht.com] their expected numbers at launch in Japan and North America. And I mean drastically.

    Japan: 100,000 units
    North America: 400,000 units

    To put that in perspective, the Nintendo DS handheld system is selling at an average of 125,000 units per week in Japan right now. If the numbers keep up, the PS3 will not even be top hardware seller on its launch week.

    I can't think of a single thing Sony has done right in this launch.

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