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Codeplex 100 Day Deadline Passes Unremarked 106

Posted by ScuttleMonkey
from the communication-is-key dept.
Andy Updegrove writes "As you may recall, Microsoft announced back on September 10 that it had launched a new, open source organization called the CodePlex Foundation. Since then, it has announced Project Acceptance and Operation Guidelines, its first 'Gallery' (a project area), supporting Microsoft's ASP.NET, and two projects in that gallery. But it had also launched in a 'less than open' state with an interim Board of Directors, and a promise to elect a permanent one in 100 days. Problem is, December 19 — the 100 day mark — passed quietly, with no announcement of a new Board or a status update on the other goals it had set for the launch period. So what's up with the CodePlex Foundation, and its pledge to promptly transition into a more independent organization?"
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Codeplex 100 Day Deadline Passes Unremarked

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  • by H4x0r Jim Duggan (757476) on Friday January 01, 2010 @09:43AM (#30614000) Homepage Journal

    Larry Lessig has put out a video explaining that FSF is the organisation which is really helping computer users: fsf-2009-larrylessig.ogv [fsf.org].

    Code Plex was always just a PR move, let's not get caught up in the hype.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by DAldredge (2353)
      I refuse to accept that Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation have done more for freedom then those who liberated Europe, who fought to end slavery or who fought for civil rights. How could any educated person make the following statement? The Free Software Foundation's work represents the most important work for freedom that this culture has seen in many many generations. Lawrence "Larry" Lessig
  • Typical Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)

    by peragrin (659227) on Friday January 01, 2010 @09:53AM (#30614058)

    it is a standard MSFT tactic, announce something awesome and deliver something that is barely good enough. Not even slashdot is big enough to list every product MSFT has announced but failed to actually implement. It has been in use for so long it is the reason most people are tired of MSFT. It is also why the Opposite of MSFT Apple gets so much free press for product that they haven't even announced yet. Apple lets the rumor mill drive forward occasionally shutting down one source only to fuel the frenzy even more. However apple only announces real products with the feature sets fixed. (there are exceptions)

    Next week MSFT engineers will announce an FTL drive coming in the next 10-20 years just to stay ahead of the stuff they have already promised.

    • by cybrthng (22291)

      How is this funny or even on topic? Codeplex already exists.. the foundation appears to be seeking a new director and thats about it. As far as answering the question regarding the 100 days why not email the existing board and ask them directly? The info is on the foundation website.

  • Duh.. (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 01, 2010 @10:06AM (#30614098)

    It's a site for programmers, sure it isn't 0x100 days?

  • ... to hire their new Open Source Community Engagement Expert, to run it? Can't find the link, but it was /.'d a few days ago...
  • Whats the big deal (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Linux was suppose to take over the desktop, what, say 10 years ago? Nothing much on that front either.
    Give me a break, this is news? Only to those desperate to bash Microsoft.
    I code in C#, I use Windows. I do not feel welcomed at SourceForge. I will use CodePlex because regardless of it's backers, it is a friendlier community to me.
    • That is funny. I programmed a C# project (for Windows) and submitted it to SourceForge, with no problems at all.

      If you check the list of the top SourceForge projects, most are for Windows only, or have a Windows version available. If there are few C# projects, it is because it is perceived as a language to write in-house business app crapola by developers and users.

      CodePlex does not support GPLv3. Why? Is it really that different from Eclipse Public License or Microsoft Public License? Or is this some

      • by hairyfeet (841228)

        For the same reason that Google and pretty much any other Major corporation that don't directly make their living off Linux avoids GPL V3 like the plague? It is because of RMS and his "Anti-TiVo" clause which made sure businesses would avoid GPL V3. After all nobody wants the mission critical app they are using to be the next target for an RMS rant.

        And let us be honest here, okay? If TiVo would have done as RMS demanded and made the TiVo hackable, how many here think they would still be in business? Anyone?

        • by vadim_t (324782)

          The GPL3 is what Stallman wanted to make in the first place, he just didn't go far enough.

          His original issue was the printer driver. Obviously if he had a driver with full source but the machine prevented the fixed driver from working, it wouldn't have been any better.

          Personally I like the GPL3 and will preferentially support companies that don't have a problem with it. I want hardware I can mess with. I will pay for that. I won't pay for closed Apple-like systems.

          And let us be honest here, okay? If TiVo wo

          • by hairyfeet (841228)

            Then DIY and build your own, isn't that the "FLOSS mantra"? The rest of us would like to just have something that works and sadly the reason we don't have that now with Linux is that I truly believe RMS and his SCoN! brigade (Source Code or Nothing!) brigade and their radical no compromise politics with Linux...excuse me GNULinux, makes sure that things do NOT "just work" unless you play their game.

            let me give an example: I sell computers, both new builds and refurbs, yet I will NOT sell Linux machines. Why

            • by vadim_t (324782)

              let me give an example: I sell computers, both new builds and refurbs, yet I will NOT sell Linux machines. Why? Because the devices in Best Buy, staples, and Walmart have around 35% that are "functional" if you include devices that you have to put in 3 pages of CLI gibberish on, and may/may not work if a new rev has come out, as functional. Can you tell by looking at the boxes which ones don't work? Nope, you can't. You can't, I can't, and the poor kid working behind the counter sure as hell can't.

              Haha, wha

              • by hairyfeet (841228)

                A troll? Wow, thanks, I so rarely get to use this in a sentence...WHOOSH! You go STRAIGHT to the name calling without even bothering to read what I said! Lets analyze your replay, shall we? I say you can't shop at Walmart? Your response? "I've got a Creative Webcam 5 lying around" WTF? That is like me saying "I like sailboats" and you saying "Submarines are dangerous!" One thing has nothing what so ever to do with the other. We are talking devices being SOLD NOW, not a decade ago. I'll be the first to admit

                • by vadim_t (324782)

                  A troll? Wow, thanks, I so rarely get to use this in a sentence...WHOOSH! You go STRAIGHT to the name calling without even bothering to read what I said

                  Well, it's pretty hard to extract meaning from your ranting. You've even managed to somehow include Reagan in a discussion about software.

                  Though given your reaction maybe you're the trolled one, though that'd be mostly of your own making.

                  We are talking devices being SOLD NOW, not a decade ago. I'll be the first to admit if you dumpster dive for your hardware

                  • by hairyfeet (841228)

                    Sorry, not been trolled in the least. I'm just getting tired of Linux strawmen and logic hoops. I swear the Linux guys around here are getting as bad as the Apple fanboys that will tie themselves into logic knots trying to "prove" that a $4k Mac pro is a "good value" which of course even the Linux guys can agree it ain't so.

                    As for your "perfectly good" scanner and webcam? So are many of the things I'd find if I dumpster dove by the local college, but that really isn't a sound business plan, is it? Are those

                    • by vadim_t (324782)

                      Sorry, not been trolled in the least. I'm just getting tired of Linux strawmen and logic hoops. I swear the Linux guys around here are getting as bad as the Apple fanboys that will tie themselves into logic knots trying to "prove" that a $4k Mac pro is a "good value" which of course even the Linux guys can agree it ain't so.

                      Meh. It fits my requirements, I'm not speaking of anybody else's. If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't, don't see what's there to argue there.

                      As for your "perfectly good" scanner

        • by Thing 1 (178996)

          [...] "How to get all the content off a TiVo and burn it to anything you want!!" tutorials and either TiVo would go broke from lack of subscriptions or more likely big content would have those things banned faster than you can say DMCA.

          This is somewhat OT: I own a TiVo. I followed one of these tutorials (Galleon, and Direct Show Dump). I am able to get all the content off my TiVo and burn it to anything I want (which is really just the hard drive; my Xbox can watch it from there via XBMC).

          TiVo is not goi

    • Sourceforge top 10 projects are sometimes dominated by windows only software and they have damn good respect from community, enough respect to spend huge time to convert them to "freak" platforms like Symbian. PuTTY is a good example for instance.

      Sourceforge also survived darkest days of dotcom disaster, nothing happened to it. What will you do when Codeplex EOL announced? Am I joking? What happened to Windows Market? They _made_ money from it, they didn't spend money. Codeplex, like Silverlight will join f

  • Somehow I don't think being a buffer between corporate interests of Microsoft and anarchistic open source community is a dream job of anyone.

    • by cybrthng (22291)

      Weird, if you ask me the open source movement always comes off communistic not anarchistic.. too much organization and ideology mixed into the movement to come off as anarchistic. Unless you're speaking of BSD open source licensing :)

      • by SharpFang (651121)

        Not really. Many small groups of various organization - communistic, authoritarian (kernel: Linus=GOD), oligarchic (Mozilla: the core group deciding the important stuff plus many random contributors with a reduced power) capitalistic(RedHat), and the groups have a various degree of cooperation - some cooperate, some don't, some rebel and create a branch from ones who don't cooperate.
        Like real anarchy which has no chance to stand on its own as always small localized communities of various types of government

  • by erroneus (253617) on Friday January 01, 2010 @10:31AM (#30614214) Homepage

    I think for everyone on all sides of the matter of the public opinion of Microsoft, it is quite safe to say that Microsoft is not of one view or of one voice. Microsoft is a highly conflicted company that, perhaps, wants to serve its customers but continues to serve its own interests first.

    Each and every time there is a story like this, on how Microsoft fails to live up to its hype and/or promises, it leaves me saddened that my opinion of the company continues to be unchanged.

    Microsoft is a company that cannot "let go" of anything. Take .NET for example -- it is a miserable failure that they won't let die. They claimed they would use it exclusively going forward and have they? Nope. The only applications written in it are by 3rd parties and I can't say that they are all great programs to use. Even when threatened with tremendous sanctions and punishment, they can't let go of the ways that get them into trouble. (And now that the US government is under a less sympathetic party's control they should be especially careful! Their oversight period has expired and they have not changed. I expect 2010 to start off with announcement of yet another action by the DoJ against the unrepentant MSFT.)

    Still. Is it news? Microsoft's promises are not to be believed under any circumstances. You just have to wait for their actual actions, inactions and reactions. Anything they say should be disregarded.

    • The only conflict at MS is their usual one: the conflict between what they say and what they do. This conflict is always found where there is a total lack of ethics. You'll find it in every liar you meet.

    • by b4dc0d3r (1268512)

      Which makes this job a trap. "Linux and Open Office Compete Lead, US Subsidiary (CSI Lead)" is supposed to change perceptions of Microsoft in the open source ecosystem. But it's an impossible task because every slight misstep will put them back at zero. While part of the company wants to do the right thing, the other part is tethered to its old ways, and can't be moved.

      Do a good thing like CodePlex, then essentially forget about it (or intentionally let it drop) and you have a net NEGATIVE on the percept

    • Most companies fail to live up to their own hype. Microsoft is no different in this aspect. As for you claiming .NET is a miserable failure, I'm unsure what method you used to arrive at this conclusion. While I currently develop for a Java/C++ shop, I have worked for a number of companies that use the full MS stack. I tend to prefer C# over Java, but develop in whatever language/platform a company needs. I'm sure I could spend 10 minutes digging and find a non-3rd party app written for .NET. I know this
    • Take .NET for example -- it is a miserable failure that they won't let die.

      Uhm, I'd seriously love to see your metric by which .Net is a miserable failure - comments like that just make you look like a fanboi lunatic.

      hey claimed they would use it exclusively going forward and have they? Nope. The only applications written in it are by 3rd parties and I can't say that they are all great programs to use.

      MS are using it - large portions of Exchange 2007 onward, SharePoint 2007 onward, Windows 2008 onward, and other of their business apps are built in .Net, and have rich .Net interfaces - they never said they would solely use .Net on an ongoing basis, but they are using it to a great extent, you are just choosing not to see it.

    • by cybrthng (22291)

      .Net miserable failure? stopped reading right there..

    • Take .NET for example -- it is a miserable failure that they won't let die."

      WTF? So creating a platform in the top 5 of the most popular development platforms (Java, C/C++ and PHP being the only that compete with .NET's popularity) is somehow a failure?

    • If you think .net is a failure, I suggest you look at the replacement statistics compared to Java and talk to a few developers. .Net has made my life much easier. That's all I need to know.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by recoiledsnake (879048)

      Microsoft is a company that cannot "let go" of anything. Take .NET for example -- it is a miserable failure that they won't let die.

      A few web sites that use .NET technology:

      Costco - http://www.costco.com/ [costco.com]
      Crate & Barrel - http://www.crateandbarrel.com/ [crateandbarrel.com]
      Home Shopping Network - http://www.hsn.com/ [hsn.com]
      Buy.com - http://www.buy.com/ [buy.com]
      Dell - http://www.dell.com/ [dell.com]
      Nasdaq - http://www.nasdaq.com/ [nasdaq.com]
      Virgin - http://www.virgin.com/ [virgin.com]
      7-Eleven - http://www.7-eleven.com/ [7-eleven.com]
      Carnival Cruise Lines - http://www.carnival.com/ [carnival.com]
      L'Oreal - http://www.loreal.com/ [loreal.com]
      Remax - http://www.remax.com/ [remax.com]
      Monster Jobs - http://www.monster.com/ [monster.com]
      USA Today - http://www.usatoday.com/ [usatoday.com]
      ComputerJo

      • Perfume companies and some real big MS puppets who can't even function if Windows stopped working tomorrow. That is the best you got? And is that some template in some PR company we have to read even single fscking time .NET is critised?

        They use .NET since if MS goes real mad at them, they can render millions of dell laptops useless tomorrow with a wrong windows update. All they would have to say is "ooops". Dell uses Windows only framework while their 99% of end user products runs Windows only... What a da

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          You need to take your meds. Or seek professional help.
          • Is it all you got? Are we really supposed to be impressed with whatever junk Loreal uses? Should I really stay silent when I notice same idiot under different name posts the exact same post to .NET/Mono stories?

            Number 1 MS puppet Dell uses .NET at their servers, wow! I should be impressed or I need my pills right?

            As your signature has OS X mentioned, may I ask where the hell is .NET 3.5SP1 for OS X? Where is the XCode plugin? We don't have "rms" or open source fanatics right? So, where are them?

            Loreal uses

    • Microsoft is a company that cannot "let go" of anything. Take .NET for example -- it is a miserable failure that they won't let die.

      Be more specific. What about it is a failure? Definitely not the adoption rates, at least.

      The only applications written in it are by 3rd parties ...

      Visual Studio and Expression Blend beg to differ.

      For older apps, of course they aren't being rewritten in .NET from scratch. Do you seriously expect to throw away millions of lines of existing, working, debugged and tested C++ code and rewrite it all in .NET just for the sake of it? There's no business case in that... what happens, rather, is that new features are written in .NET, where architecture permits it, and whe

  • That's all it was in the first place, and when it didn't get them as much love as they expected, it was forgot about.

  • i mean come on :)) you didnt take them seriously now did you ?

    Happy new year :)
    Ric

  • I'm impressed. Someone actually found a way to provide a link for an announcement that was not made.

  • This is a classic example of what happens when you let Marketing lead Development. FAIL.

  • There are several successful open source windows code at sourceforge and as far as I have seen, the "trendy" types or the people hating SF for some other reason moved to Google code and github.

    MS fails again since they try to re-invent a working thing with very shadowy, untrusted and despised people at lead. I know several _windows_ developers who won't touch anything with some people at Codeplex mentioned.

    On the other hand, some people at MS are clever so they advertise at SF site, including mailing list s

  • Be careful (Score:2, Interesting)

    by XB-70 (812342)
    Microsoft recently opened networking engineers up to the samba people a while back. There was a good synergy between them and a lot of information flowed back and forth.

    Fast forward to today: Windows 7 Home edition has had the ability to join domains REMOVED (this was available back with Win 95 through XP). A new networking capability, HomeGroup is available. HomeGroups can only have Windows 7 members. Windows XP, Macintoshes, even Windows Vista, need not apply. In short, rather than implement a cheap (fre

  • Right on the front page [codeplex.org] is a status update:

    December 9, 2009. CodePlex Foundation Launches Search for Executive Director, Technical Director Moving to meet its 100 day goals, the CodePlex Foundation today announced that it has launched a search for a permanent, full-time Executive Director and Technical Director. Individuals chosen for the positions will guide the Foundation in its mission of facilitating the participation of corporate software developers in open source projects while providing a channel of

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