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For 1 kWh of electricity, I pay ...

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Less than .05 USD / equivalent
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.05 to .09 USD / equivalent
  2293 votes / 19%
.10 to .19 USD / equivalent
  3810 votes / 32%
.20 to .39 USD / equivalent
  1975 votes / 16%
.40 to .79 USD / equivalent
  384 votes / 3%
.80 USD / equivalent or more
  307 votes / 2%
I never let them trace it to me!
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  • include T&D (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 02, 2011 @04:32PM (#38242604)

    Many of us in the US are charged separately for generation and transmission & distribution - to answer the question correctly you need add the two charges together and divide by kWh (many people are paying over $0.20 / kWh delivered)

    • Wow, I've never really thought to compare my rates to those of the rest of the country, but it looks like I have it pretty good. $.04748-$.05578 per kWh (according to FPL) plus about $6 in delivery fees.

      I suppose it's because the grid where I live is mostly nuclear. Most months my bill is under $110 even though I have to run the AC year round (it's mandated by the lease to prevent mold). My wife and I don't use too much power besides the AC, but cooling 1,500 sq feet uses a lot of power no matter how wel
    • by AmiMoJo (196126)

      Some of us generate out own electricity for free, and even get paid to sell surplus back to the grid.

  • Comparison (Score:5, Informative)

    by Webs 101 (798265) on Friday December 02, 2011 @04:48PM (#38242848) Homepage
    Here is Hydro Quebec's comparison of major North American cities in PDF format: http://www.hydroquebec.com/publications/en/comparison_prices/pdf/comp_2011_en.pdf [hydroquebec.com]
    • Yup, that stuff is pretty cheap in Montreal, kinda makes up for the year-round potholes in the streets...

  • I would have to check my parents' SCE bills. :P I do know they complain that I use more power because of my computers and other electronics. :(

    • Re:I have NO idea. (Score:4, Informative)

      by TheLink (130905) on Saturday December 03, 2011 @12:08PM (#38250182) Journal
      What computers and electronics do you have? A modern nongaming desktop should only take about 100W when mostly idle, add 50W for LCD monitor. Laptops even less.

      A fluorescent tube lamp is about 40W. An incandescent bulb is from 40W to 100W.

      A washing machine on a warm cycle (cold cycle is much cheaper!), clothes dryer, air conditioner, hair dryer, electric heater, oven use way more electricity per second- in the order of thousand watts. If your fridge is inefficient (many old fridges aren't efficient) it may also use quite a lot of electricity.

      One hour of a 1000 watt airconditioner at max uses the same amount of electricity as a desktop PC running for 5-6 hours.
      • by antdude (79039)

        Do you mean the whole house or just my room?

        • by TheLink (130905)
          Just your stuff that your parents are complaining about.
          • by antdude (79039)

            http://zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/computers.txt [zimage.com] for my detailed computer specifications. Note that I don't use my old laptops/notebooks.

            • by TheLink (130905)
              Well assuming you only have one video card and are not doing SLI/Crossfire yet, I'm guessing your gaming rig will probably be using 150-200W idle, and more only when you start running 3D stuff. Doesn't look like your second PC will use that much power when on - 100-150W? If it's SSD you can probably switch it off when you're not using it, or hibernate (if your SSD is fine with that - apparently some misbehave with some chipsets).

              Assuming USD0.15 per kWh. 350W * 8 hours * 30 days = USD126/month.
              • by antdude (79039)

                I do use those HLT features when PCs are not in heavy usage. I do play computer games for those video cards. The secondary PC is always on 24/7. Windows PC is on when needed (using it, playing, working, media center/HTPC, etc.).

                • by TheLink (130905)
                  OK, anyway as another poster said, I got the math wrong. The numbers should be 1/10th of what I mentioned.

                  Now if you had an electric oven and baking cakes was your hobby, you might have to sell a few cakes to help pay the bills :).
              • by TPoise (799382)
                Your math is wrong. It's $12.60 per month. 350W * 8 hours = 2800 watt-hours, or 2.8KWh. At 15 cents per KWh, its 42 cents per day, or $12.60 every 30 days.
                • by TheLink (130905)
                  You're right. I was actually wondering why the figures were so high I thought maybe the electricity prices went up since I last did the math :).
      • by hedwards (940851)

        Easiest way is to just measure it. I found that my gaming rig uses about ~100-150w total when not gaming. It would spike above that when used for computationally intensive projects though.

        I was able to check a kill-a-watt out from the local library and figure out where any electrical waste was. Ultimately I found very little.

  • by 6Yankee (597075) on Friday December 02, 2011 @05:09PM (#38243226)

    Flat rate, 25 euros a month. Been looking for a meter since I moved in and can't find one.

    A family member works in the electricity industry in the UK. He reckoned that something like 80% of the company's costs went on installing, reading, maintaining, and billing based on metering. If they'd just be allowed to move to flat rate billing for domestic customers, everyone's bill would come down *and* the company would have more money to invest in cleaner generation. But no, they have to install smart meters and keep the price high to encourage people to be "green".

    • Sorry, but your family member doesn't know what he's is talking about.

      Smart meters eliminate the need for meter readers. Of course they haven't needed brakemen on railroads for 100 years. Aren't unions wonderful.

      • Sorry, but your family member doesn't know what he's is talking about.

        Smart meters eliminate the need for meter readers. Of course they haven't needed brakemen on railroads for 100 years. Aren't unions wonderful.

        "Smart Meter" doesn't just mean "automatic meter reading" to the the utility industry, but rather implies some 2-way communication is possible. For instance, a customer could, at least in theory, scale back usage when costs were higher.

        And railroads???

        • From a rubber meets the road perspective 'smart meter' means 'automatic meter reading'.

          What features of smart meters are mentioned in the business case used to justify the expense?

          • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 02, 2011 @10:38PM (#38246916)

            (posted anon because I work on a Smart Grid project at a utility)

            Features in addition to "automatic meter reading" include:
            -Remote turn on/ shut off (huge cost savings in man hours, faster turn on & off for non-payment)
            -Reporting when a house is out of power. Most of the time, we don't know who's out unless they call us. Smart Meters ping back to home base when the power's out. (Yes, there's a battery inside)
            -Time of day billing. Power doesn't cost the same to generate at midnight as it does at 3pm. Why should the customer's price be fixed, when the cost isn't?
            -Educating customers on high load days with a meter red light or something related, requesting them to reduce load.
            -Options to have customer's air conditioner and smart appliances reduce load on high load days. This one is HUGE with public service commissions. Peak Load is a major pain for utilities. Up to 20% of a generation fleet is dedicated to meeting Peak Load demands.
            -Lots of very cool updates to the infrastructure in general. There are substation & distribution upgrades, roughly equivalent to a Smart Meter, only bigger. Once the whole chain is upgraded, we'll have information like crazy about how the grid is performing- and better ways to optimize use and reduce outages.

            There's many more, but this list was focused on the business case angle.

            • by Zarhan (415465)

              -Time of day billing. Power doesn't cost the same to generate at midnight as it does at 3pm. Why should the customer's price be fixed, when the cost isn't?

              This is something we have had at least here in Finland for decades. If you have electric heating, you usually want to pay separate rates for nighttime (10pm-7am) and daytime power. Other option is seasonal (winter vs. summer) rates. Basically, your meter has a small relay that clicks on when it gets the signal that nighttime rate is on - and at that point

              • by xaxa (988988)

                We've had that in the UK for decades too ("Economy 7"), but a Smart Meter is much more granular. AIUI, the price might (could) be different for hour or half-hour periods.

              • by hedwards (940851)

                Around here we don't have that, and I don't see any reason why we should. The cost of producing the electricity is more or less fixed, the only difference from the perspective of the utility is how much electricity they can sell to other locales and how much their grid needs to cope with.

            • by gopla (597381)

              The grand parent obviously did not know what he was talking about. But your post regarding smart grid is interesting.

              Still GP has a point. There are far too many people who don't care / don't know about their electricity bill. The electricity bill is less than 10% of their monthly income, hence they don't care. With smart grid features like time of day, seasonal or demand response load adjustment even if we can reduce their bill by 20%, It would still be too minuscule reduction for them to notice or care.

              • Bingo. Another factor is "I don't want to be nagged about this shit". I certainly don't need another machine telling me "you don't want to do that, John". I can see benefits for hot water heating, under floor heating, and the like, but I'm not sure they need smart meters so much as smart timers. The whole idea of smart meters just seems too annoying and complex to me, especially if the difference is at most something like 30%.

                • I second your sentiment. Smart-metering is a scam designed to raise your rates in a fashion that make you feel warm and fuzzy. Time-of-use billing is current being implemented across my province in Canada. I've talked to people about...average Joe types...most don't understand the true drive behind it. Most people believe it's the save electricity because there isn't enough to go around (we have far greater generation capacity than they publicize/market...hell, they publicly display current generation/c
      • by rubycodez (864176)
        "smart meter" is an overloaded term. In my neighborhood, it lets the "meter reader" drive a truck to take readings via wireless
    • by plover (150551) *

      Smart meters don't keep the price high. They fluctuate the price according to the current demand. At peak usage times the electric companies have to pay much more to generate the additional electricity needed, (it costs about 10 x as much to run a generator that burns natural gas instead of coal,) so the smart meter lets them charge more for that electricity.

      They're encouraging people to be green for a reason. New power plants aren't being built very often, because nobody wants a coal stack in their back

  • Nothing! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TrumpetPower! (190615) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Friday December 02, 2011 @05:15PM (#38243320) Homepage

    A few months ago the local utility finally commissioned my PV array. Since then, there hasn't been a day that I've used more than I've generated. They do net metering and carry over the excesses from month to month, so my electric consumption since then has been entirely negative -- nearly a megawatt-hour in total, in fact.

    (I sized the array to meet my annual demands and added a solar hot water system on top of it. Some back-of-the-envelope math suggested the excess capacity of the SHW would pretty much equal the electricity required by an electric vehicle of some sort which I've yet to buy. In the mean time, it's nothing but surpluses.)

    Cheers,

    b&

    • I love this, but how much does the PV array cost you?

      • I love this, but how much does the PV array cost you?

        It was about $12,000 after you factor in all the incentives.

        b&

    • A few months ago the local utility finally commissioned my PV array. Since then, there hasn't been a day that I've used more than I've generated. They do net metering and carry over the excesses from month to month, so my electric consumption since then has been entirely negative -- nearly a megawatt-hour in total, in fact.

      If you're running a net of nearly 1000 KWh in a few months, then you put in far more PV than you needed, and wasted a hell of a lot of money.

      That said, congratulations, and it's a shame

      • Re:Nothing! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by TrumpetPower! (190615) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Friday December 02, 2011 @07:18PM (#38245228) Homepage

        Oh, I knew up front that I was getting an oversized system. As I wrote, the excess capacity should be enough for me to run an electric vehicle for free, as well as provide for the system's slow decline to 80% of its current capacity in a couple decades as well as perhaps a bit of electrical extravagance now and again.

        The money may be "wasted" in that sense, but it still, even if I never get an EV, works out to a 7% - 8% annual rate of return. You can't get anywhere near that kind of return on any other (safe) investment in this market, so I have no regrets whatsoever.

        And SRP *does* pay for the excess...once per year, at the end of the April billing cycle, at a wholesale rate of about $0.035 / kWh. Not really enough to notice, but one might hope that, at some point in the future as solar takes off, the regulators will force them to pay retail. Not that I'll ever get rich off of it, but it could pay the rest of my utilities...or, if the plan works out, all of my (modest) transportation energy usage.

        Cheers,

        b&

    • by jklovanc (1603149)

      I really hate this idea of PV arrays without battery storage being touted as "net zero" or even adding to the electric supply. Here are a few issues;

      1. Do you draw power from the grid when the sun is not up? Yes.
      2. Does this power draw come from conventional base load power plants? Yes.
      3. Is this power transmitted to you over a system owned and maintained by someone else? Yes
      3. Do the Conventional Base lead plants and power distribution network cost money to run and maintain? Yes
      4. Do "net zero" homes pay f

      • For people living in an area that requires a lot of air conditioning, solar array output tracks AC use pretty well.
    • Would love to hear more about this. Any chance there's a write up of your setup anywhere? Cost, location, that sort of thing? Did you have to contact the utility to set it up in the first place?

  • All year long. I don't run my heater in winter because where I live is no insulation and single-pane windows. Still, it works for me.

    • by danomac (1032160)

      Must be a tropical climate... if I didn't run my heater in winter my water pipes would freeze!

      • by Cimexus (1355033)

        If it were a tropical climate, there wouldn't be a 'winter' and people wouldn't have 'heaters'. Most likely the GP is from a temperate climate with cool (but not cold) winters. Many places fit this description: most of the Mediterranean, most of Australia, portions of the western US coast etc.

  • My latest electricity bill (Jun-Aug) had a cost of .23 USD / kWh including costs for transmission+distribution, and taxes. The usage was 742 kWh over 92 days. Apartment in Stockholm, Sweden. District heating.

  • A kWh for me is about 9 US cents, but there's a ~monthly delivery charge of $6 and local 1% tax.

    So the rate varies from month-to-month by a little.

    Price = 1.01*(6+0.08772*usage)/usage

    where 'usage' is the number of kWh used in the billing period.

    My most recent bill was .096 USD/kWh

    And I write "~monthly" since the billing periods don't precisely line up with calendar months nor are they even always measured from the same day month to month. My last bill is for usage from Oct 5 through Nov 3 or 29 days by thei

    • by Nemyst (1383049)

      Joules are the SI unit, but kWh is arguably much more approachable for normal people. It's easy to understand that an appliance using up 100W would cost 0.096 USD/h, but if you put all energy in Joules people won't even know what it is.

    • And shouldn't energy be measured in Joules, really?

      Megajoules, perhaps.

      But KWh is much easier to do mental arithmetic with - 100W light bulb, 10 hours = 1KWh.

    • You check power consumption on any device it'll list its requirements/limits in either watts or amps, either of which easily convert since you know the voltage. Thus watt-hours make sense to use. If you use a device of X watts for Y hours, you will have used X*Y watt-hours of energy.

      The reason for using kilowatt-hours in particular is that with the quantities most people use, they give good numbers. That means that you don't have to have tons of stuff behind the decimal, but they aren't so large as to be ha

  • the rest I get from the sun.
  • Stuff like water and power is included in the rent, so I have no idea what it costs.
  • I pay about 7 cents Canadian per kWh. At those prices an electric car would be excellent value, but I live in an apartment and have nowhere to plug one in. :-(

    The scary rates are up north. Folks in places like Nunavut can pay up to $2.00 per kWh, depending on where they live. The government subsidizes this down to a less insane price, but still. Ouch.

    ...laura

  • Electric is included in my rent!

    I'm closing on a house in less than a week though, so I'll just have to vote again once I do...
  • Unlike most of the Atlanta metro, I have the advantage of NOT having to deal with Georgia Power. :-)

    Greystone Power uses a seasonal system (summer and winter), and three tiers for residential power for each season.

    For wintertime (which is now), they charge USD 0.074/kWh for the first 650, 0.072/kWh for the next 350, and 0.0637/kWh for anything over 1000 kWh.

    For summertime, they charge USD 0.074/kWh for the first 650, 0.097/kWh for the next 350, and then 0.108/kWh for anything over 1000 kWh.

    There's also a ge

  • Bureau of Labor and Statistics [bls.gov] report for energy pricing in the San Francisco area.

    Oooohhh, look! PG&E is soooooooo efficient, that I get my electricity at a mere 66% premium over the nation average! And my gas at only a 30% premium! Way to go, PG&E!

    'cause, obviously, they're spending all that extra money on infrastructure improvements!

    (for those who aren't up on local events in the SF area, about a year ago a 1m gas pipeline ruptured in San Bruno and incinerated a 3-block neighborhood. Yeah

    • by kf6auf (719514)
      You know that California has tiers and, yes, if you use a lot of electricity you get charged a higher marginal rate, just like income taxes. PG&E charges ~$0.12/kWh for the first ~300kWh per billing cycle (~30 days) and $0.33/kWh after that. Seems pretty reasonable to me; the people who use a lot are encouraged to conserve more through higher prices. I use 200kWh/month, I only pay $0.12/kWh. Also, the average stated in the report doesn't say if it's the mean or the median, but it's important when yo
  • Los Angeles is somewhat unusual for California in that its electricity generation is owned by the city, instead of being a privatized monolopy.

    It is a 3 Tier system, where, during the summer, the 1st tier (350 kWh per month) is the cheapest and the 3rd is the most expensive. Oddly, during the winter, all three tiers cost the same. Go figure.

    Anyway, looks like a kWh costs about 0.14USD on Tier 1. I don't have air conditioning, so it would be pretty hard to exceed 350 kWh. 350 kWh works out to an average p

  • I may pay only 7 cents per kwh, but my government pays roughly 80 cents per kwh for the electricity that they then sell to me for 7 cents... to a select number and type of generators of course.
    • by markhahn (122033)

      Ontario Power Generation pays 80.2 cents/kwh only for small rooftop solar - it pays less for all other forms of contributed power, and its effective cost for generating (Nuclear, fossil, hydro) is much less, since as a whole, OPG makes a profit.

  • Electricity costs us significantly more per kWh in winter - and of course we use more, especially having electric heat. I assumed this was the norm, but don't see anyone else mentioning it. Is that not the case?

    • by Fished (574624)
      Simple explanation ... presumably, from the fact that you use significantly more electricity in the winter, you live in a cold climate. When demand is low, they generate most of the base demand using the cheapest, most efficient sources. When demand is high, they have to fire up the expensive sources like Oil plants, and it costs more to generate.
    • by CBravo (35450)
      Electricity is pretty inefficient (as a system). We use liquid gas here (Netherlands) mostly.
  • Back in 2003 I installed 48 panels on my roof rated at 7.5kw. They generate between 11,000 and 12,000 kWh per year which is enough for all the energy we use and we get a small payback from the utility company for the excess - should be around $150 this year, which more than covers the $5 a month meter rental :)

    The initial cost was $31,000 after rebates and tax incentives and based on my usage I calculated a 10 year break-even. However, energy costs in California have risen quite a bit since 2003 and I thi

    • by Yvan256 (722131)

      You installed 48 panels on your roof? My questions are: how big is your house and where do you live?

  • EDF is the main electricity producer/provider in France.
    Here are its rates: http://bleuciel.edf.com/abonnement-et-contrat/les-prix/les-prix-de-l-electricite/tarif-bleu-47798.html [edf.com]
    This is about 0.15 USD/kWh, not including subscription charges.

  • I'm in an urban area of Iowa and I pay the following:

    Summer tiers 1-3: ~0.10/kWh (the exact same rate for all 3 tiers)
    Winter tier 1: ~0.087/kWh
    Winter tier 2: ~0.067/kWh (yes, tier 2 is cheaper than tier 1)
    Winter tier 3: ? (I never use that much electricity in the winter - gas heat)

    However, when you factor in all of the other charges, on my last bill (all in the winter tiers) my cost worked out to be around 0.14/kWh.

    I use over twice as much electricity in the summer as I do in the winter (I like my air-condi

  • My electricity bill varies from $60 to $120, mainly depending on the weather i think. We don't use AC but we do turn on more fans when it gets hot, and when it gets cold me girlfriend insists on turning on the heater.

    I have no idea how much i pay per kWh though and i can't really see why i should bother looking it up. It's not like i get a choice about who i get electricity from, and it's not like i'm going to just choose not to use electricity. We do try to limit our usage in reasonable manners (see the
  • I'm currently in Germany, and I'm paying 24 eurocents / kWh (32.4 US cent), plus 8 Euro/months subscription fees. This is a moderate tariff here, compared to the eco/green power that can be a lot more expensive.
    • by Halo1 (136547)

      In Belgium it depends a lot on your supplier. Mine [ecopower.be] charges 22 eurocents/kWh and zero subscription fee, including distribution tariffs. And the power is 100% green (real green, as in "not from originally coal fired plants that are now burning wood chips in the same extremely inefficient way" or so).

  • BC Hydro is rushing to install "smart" meters, so it's assumed that whatever I'm paying now, I'll pay a lot more next year.

    Unless of course the fear-of-electromagnetic-fields crowd actually convinces the government not to install them due to health concerns.

Don't sweat it -- it's only ones and zeros. -- P. Skelly

 



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