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Comment Re: Oh, that's ironic (Score 1) 576

Turkey is obliged to let them stay if they are truly refugees.

They are not obliged to hinder them from leaving, though.

And European countries have some agreements too, where the outer border countries can offload some of the burden on other countries, as agreed on.

Comment Re: there is no conflict between science and relig (Score 1) 268

Don't confuse amoral with immoral.
And evolution is what has given us moral. Individuals who do not commit murder, torture and other disruptive actions have a greater chance of survival and their offspring surviving. With the exceptionally long time period from birth until the offspring can survive on their own, cooperation and herd rules have been selected for.
We don't need any religion to tell us what's moral and not.
Science doesn't tell us, but it sure explains it.

Comment Re:Say what? (Score 1) 392

Those coders *did* make the decision to cheat.

No, they didn't. The functionality for being able to adjust the power and emissions on the fly is useful code, and allows for both fine-tuning, troubleshooting, and the equivalent of unittests.
The third party company that delivered the components even told the customers that they should not keep this code enabled in production.

So no, the coders are not at fault here, at all. VAG management is.

Comment Re:Who gives a shit? (Score 1) 576

Movement within the EU is legal for those with an EU passport

There is no "EU passport".
The right to move and reside freely is granted to any citizen of the EEA (EFTA plus Lichtenstein) and Switzerland, and a passport is not required if you have another national identity card.

Or a residence card showing you are a family member of a citizen of one of these countries, and are either travelling with or to the family member.
And that is the case for many of the asylum seekers, who want to travel to specific countries like Sweden and Germany, where they have family. The problem is a catch-22 one, because they cannot obtain the family member residence card allowing them to travel to their family before they are united with their family.

Comment Re:And make believe occurs when? (Score 1) 235

Before Friend Computer, they had to trust Friend Grownup With an Agenda, Prejudices, and an Incomplete Grasp of the Facts.

Only to a certain extent. They also experimented, made things up, and tested their own theories. They used their creativity and learned things that no-one thought of telling them.

Listening to and trusting parents is a survival trait when young enough, but after a while it becomes counter-productive. Smart kids start question things and trying to find things out for themselves. As well they should. Passive kids accept it all, and become excellent at transforming oxygen to carbon dioxide.

Comment Re:And make believe occurs when? (Score 3, Insightful) 235

This takes away a child's ability to put words in Barbie's mouth.

The way that kids use their fantasy less and less worries me too. We're turning them into consumers from an early age, not creators. And they don't figure out things anymore, they look them up.
They're trusting Friend Computer, and that worries me.

Comment Re:Doesn't his comment sum it up? (Score 1) 58

Seriously, you think one in every 2000 people on Earth, from newborn Vietnamese infants to elderly Masai tribesman, logging onto to read about a relatively low budget mission to be a poor showing?

Yes, I do. A relatively minor web site like has more than that many unique visitors per day . Heck, slashdot had more visitors in its heydays.

According to Google, there are 2.94 billion internet users. According to Nielsen, internet users on average visited 5.50 science related web pages per month (in 2010).
And NASA in total managed to capture 0.021% of those science related visits? Yes, I call that a PR failure. If Alice Bowman had had a wardrobe malfunction, it would have generated far more traffic.

It was a huge scientific happening. Likely the biggest one since the Voyager flybys of the gas and ice giants. It tells us so much we didn't know.
And most people haven't even heard of it. That's downright shameful.

Comment Re:Pats on the back all round (Score 1) 58

indeed. At least they managed to create themselves an attaboy poster they can attach to their resume Which might be their main purpose right now, after the funds are spent and the job goes away.

I can't think of a single truly big thing that happened over the last decade or two that got worse PR than this. What little hype there was were created by others, and not even picked up and run with. Granted, they had a shoestring budget, but they cannot possibly look people in the face and declare the PR for this a success. The mission was awesome, but next time, NASA needs better PR people.
A quick sampling here at work in a tech company, and 5 out of 10 people were aware of the Pluto flyby having happened. These are engineers and the like.

Machines have less problems. I'd like to be a machine. -- Andy Warhol