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Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49739221) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

We use cloth racks.

I have a small apartment without a balcony. I do not have room for a washing machine and/or drier or space to hang laundry.

If the washing machine is in the basement and the drier, too, why are you arguing about electricity prices and smart grids and when to wash and when not to wash if all that does not even apply to you?

Because I can see further than the end of my own nose and can see that what may work for me may not work for other people. The thing about smart grid is that it needs to be controllable. I am point out instances where it demand is not as controllable as you think.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49737447) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

In any real sense with respect to weather and wind power systems, electricity does not take time to move.

I did not say it was a delay issue I said it was a capacity issue. Say the western portion of the grid is over producing and the eastern portion is under producing. There must be enough transmission capacity in the form of electrical wires to be able to transport the electricity from the west to the east. With PVs this could happen every night as the sun goes down.

Even on a neighbourhood level it can be a problem. Say a neighbourhood goes heavily into solar. At noon they could produce much more electricity than they use. Now instead of drawing electricity, like the local connection was designed for, it area is trying to inject a large amount of electricity into the system which could overload the local transformers and switched. Hawaii is quite concerned that this is a problem.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49733867) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

If there is a similar report every year then why don't you quote them? Evidence that is out of date is useless.

It's worthless continuing this argument.

Because you do not have any real life current evidence that actually shows ant real life current effect of pricing on demand.

By the way the report you cited talks about controlled demand. That is demand that can be cut off from a central control if supply gets short. That is very different than price controlled demand which is the original topic.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49733545) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

No one in his sane mind uses a drier anyway.

So how do you dry your cloths? Sorry some of us would rather not have wet cloths hanging all over our apartment.

If you need a drier so desperately why don't you by a combo?

Because I live in an apartment and we are not allowed to have launder machines in our apartments.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 0) 253

by jklovanc (#49733521) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

Your initial argument was that price doesn't influence demand.

To clarify, price does not influence voluntary demand. People do not change habots due to price. Sure there are some expensive technologies that can help but even they are not complete solutions.

Sorry but you showed a repost that gives very vew details and I showed how it actually didnt work.

Comment: FTFY (Score 1) 150

Get in the way of the method people want to do their work, and users will figure out very creative ways around it.

Some users think their way is the only and/or best way to do things. Their priorities are the most important no matter how much damage it can do to the company. Nothing else matters.

Tell a user they can get free apps, and they'll install and use SSH and the command line...

Not sure if you think that is funny but it is definitely untrue.

Comment: Re:Won't someone think of the birds. (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49733343) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

That is why you use a kite and not a balloon.

Do you have any idea how big a kite that can hold 30,000 feet of electrical cable would be? We are talking about 20 tons for the conductor alone.

Also you don't let the turbine fly but use the tension on the cable to run a generator on the ground.

Tension generators work by letting the kite pull a cord which is attached to a generator. The kite is the partially furled and reeled part way back in, and the process repeated. The prototypes I have seen have many issues and none use tethers anywhere near 330,000 feet long.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49733319) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

The problem with the lake analogy is that with a lake you can insert as much energy as you want anywhere you want and take as much as you want anywhere you want.. Electricity goes through cables with finite capacity. If you try to send too much power down the cables they heat, stretch and break. Substations have capacities as well. Try to switch too much power and the station trips.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49733303) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

Wow you found a report that is nine years out of date. Lets look a little further into the first entry, the LIPA Edge system. One interesting point is that the program cost almost $45 million.

The sign-up fee cost ratepayers some $900,000, the thermostats cost upward of $10 million, and LIPA paid millions to install and maintain the thermostats and market the program. In all, between 2001 and 2008, LIPA spent $33 million to fully fund the program, which is considered among the most effective energy-efficiency programs in LIPA's arsenal, according to a report.

Comment: Re:In other news... (Score 1) 253

by jklovanc (#49733255) Attached to: Energy Dept. Wants Big Wind Energy Technology In All 50 US States

The washing machine does that automatically for you.

And they sit wet in the washer until you put them in the drier. That may be quite a while if you forget or do not have time in the morning. Wet cloths left for hours equals mold.

If there was no peak price, the peak would be even higher.

That is speculation and there is still a huge peak when the prices are high. Peak pricing helps a bit but is not a complete solution.

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