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An AI-Created Craft Beer Debuts at New Orleans (wgno.com) 59

Posted by EditorDavid from the proof-that-AI-loves-us dept.
For one brief limited period of time, New Orleans locals "will have a chance to try the first craft beer created by an AI platform," according to a report from local station WGNO: The AI Blonde Ale will be released at a Launch Party at NOLA Brewery on June 20 to coincide with CVPR, the world's premier computer vision event. Derek Lintern, a brewer at NOLA Brewing said he is excited to have a helping hand when it comes to crafting beer.

"It's state-of-the-art technology with the traditional brewing methods, it's pretty unique and it's a recipe I would have never done normally but I really like how it tastes. Its very refreshing and very easy drinking I'm really happy with it," said Lintern....

The technology helps create the recipe, but the beer is still brewed manually.
The name of the company that brought the AI to the brewery? "Deep Liquid.
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  • Dumb! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by illogicalpremise ( 1720634 ) on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:11PM (#62634838)

    An algorithm that randomly selects ingredients would ultimately have the same effect. There's no such thing as a "good craft beer", just a huge variety of tastes. There is apparently a whole generation that thinks beer should taste like grapefruit and people who drink beer so strong it tastes like rum. It's practically impossible to make a beer that someone, somewhere won't claim is the best beer ever made. None of these things deserve an award or require an AI.

    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      by illogicalpremise ( 1720634 )

      Actually just look at Australia. We have a beer called XXXX (four-X) that literally tastes like shit yet an entire state worships it like it's the national flag. We have others like Victoria Bitter and Geelong Bitter that are equally undrinkable. The funny thing is if someone tells you one of these is their favorite beer then it's 100% guaranteed they're a total cunt and better than even odds they drive a ute. Pretty sure whatever this AI comes up with it'll be something cunts drink too.

      • Re: Dumb! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by registrations_suck ( 1075251 ) on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:45PM (#62634902)

        I feel the same way about anyone who drinks beer.

      • It could be worse, they could hate you simply because of the vehicle you drive or the beer you drink. Perhaps you are the problem and those drinking the beer are just no so self absorbed that they think they are better than most others.

      • Actually just look at Australia. We have a beer called XXXX (four-X) that literally tastes like shit yet an entire state worships it like it's the national flag. We have others like Victoria Bitter and Geelong Bitter that are equally undrinkable. The funny thing is if someone tells you one of these is their favorite beer then it's 100% guaranteed they're a total cunt and better than even odds they drive a ute.

        America has Budweiser, MIller, etc. They tell you the exact same things about their drinkers.

      • You're spot on.

        It's a well proven fact that people who drink beer are cunts. As are people who don't drink beer. So the only question is, are you a beer drinking cunt or a non-beer drinking cunt?

        Personally, if I'm going to have to deal with cunts, I'd rather do it drunk.

        And you're right about xxxx

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by fermion ( 181285 )
      In the US the legal age is 21 and in most places outside of Texas it is not even legal for a teen to have alcohol under any circumstances. This means most beer is marketed to consumers who never developed a palette. Either teens just trying to get wasted or twenty somethings just trying to get laid. Some craft brewers are trying to brew beer, but most are just hoping to get bought by InBev.

      • In the US the legal age is 21 and in most places outside of Texas it is not even legal for a teen to have alcohol under any circumstances. This means most beer is marketed to consumers who never developed a palette.

        I don't know about you, but I started to have easy access to alcohol when I was 15.

    • Right because it should taste like Old Milwaukee?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by gtall ( 79522 )

      "It's practically impossible to make a beer that someone, somewhere won't claim is the best beer ever made."

      Budweiser.

    • We have a few breweries here that cater to the frat boy crowd, random flavors are added creating novel, mostly shitty beer with catchy names. You know, Yerba Mate IPA, Wasabi Stouts... horrible crap that the college crowd orders by the keg. A random ingredient algorithm couldn't possible be worse
  • When are people going to realize itâ(TM)s a marketing scam?

  • After all - it's a story about beer.

  • Let me guess, it tastes citrusy and hoppy and pissy too. I love beer. I drink it almost every day. Humans have been brewing it for *thousands* of years. We're good at it. If you like English style ale then we have many breweries established for hundreds of years, and many more hundreds of newer breweries using time tested process. Then the hipsters arrived and decided beer needs "hand crafting" until it tastes like piss and lemongrass and appeals to people who don't really like beer. I can't imagine

    • I also love beer, though I drink less of it now than I used to for health reasons. I note that this event is in New Orleans. In spite of your (sometimes valid) claim that brewing beer is a skill where humans excel, I have to say that my experiences in New Orleans years ago would not support your case. I had the misfortune of encountering a local brew called "Dixie Beer". No matter how bad the recipe the AI came up with, it is impossible that it could be worse than this local human-crafted excuse for a beer.

      • Luckily I don't live in New Orleans. I live in Brighton, aka idiot hipster HQ UK, and despite the preponderance of local artisan fuckwits producing filthy, undrinkable hand crafted ale (I swallowed my pride and tried a few but regretted swallowing the awful liquid itself) I can still get truly excellent ale on tap or bottled. The bottled, trad Brit ales ones usually come from ALDI, the German supermarket *face palm*. One exception: Brighton Bier's Thirty Three is a fabulous pint, a proper session ale ful

        • I am also a Brit, but have lived abroad for over 40 years. I grew up near St Albans, where CAMRA originated, and was an early member (in 1972 when I was barely old enough to legally drink). In the 1970s, you really needed to know where to go to find a good beer. It was mostly fizzy keg beer, often low quality lager. I agree that many of today's craft beers are awful, but traditional, real ales were dying until CAMRA successfully campaigned for their revival. Beer drinkers in the UK today are actually pretty

    • > Then the hipsters arrived and decided beer needs "hand crafting" until it...appeals to people who don't really like beer.

      Thank you! this explains something I've been wondering for a long time: i.e. why the micro-brewed handcrafted expensive this and that beers generally taste like piss, bitters and grapefruit

      • Their market is people who prefer shandy or the worst types of imitation lager, but can't admit it to themselves.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Jeremi ( 14640 )

      My guess: it will invariably deliver a cupful of liquid that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike beer.

    • I don't know what nation you're talking about, but I'll assume it's the USA. The USA used to have a rich and internationally derived beer culture before prohibition, but when that hit the pilseners took over because they were cheap to produce. You could use a lot of adjuncts and it didn't make them suck too much worse, because they sucked already.

      I personally like strong ales which are as hoppy as possible, but it doesn't bother me that there are breweries which specialize in Belgians, so long as they're cl

  • It's beer, for Christ's sake.
    Water, barley malt, hops and yeast.
    It has been made for thousands of years with minimal intelligence, artificial or otherwise.

  • HEY! BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS! (Score:3)

    by Digital Avatar ( 752673 ) on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:25PM (#62634870) Journal
    We all know that's BendërBrau!

  • Will be avwerage (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:29PM (#62634878)

    Because that is all Artificial Stupidity can do: Find the average response to a question.

  • AI methodology: Step 1 - get humans drunk, Step 2 - keep humans drunk, Step 3 - they'll never see it coming. Yikes! Seriously though, AI beer? Anything to push the AI thing I guess.

  • Interesting to finetune a recipe (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Sunday June 19, 2022 @09:55PM (#62634924)
    I have been homebrewing several years before I moved internationally. It is a fun hobby. It is also fascinating what a wide variety in result you can get with just a few ingredients and process parameters to deal with.
    It seems to me, from the article, that the main benefit was to include customer feedback in the AI learning data. Say you want a beer of a certain style. Plenty of recipes exist. But as mentioned the finetuning is an art that takes time.
    I notice several sceptical reactions. Yet the brewers won a 2nd prize in a competition. The approach seems to work.
    Curious to try their brew.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Thank you for being the one relevant comment so far (out of 22).
      Most likely it will be the only relevant comment by the time the article goes into the archive.

    • Fine tuning is an ongoing thing. The software "helps" create the recipe, whatever that means, but it takes someone with experience to know what a beer is likely to taste like from the ingredients list and process, and it takes even more hands-on experience to be able to evaluate the ingredients at hand and determine how they're going to affect the final product, because there's significant variation in them from year to year. I don't think there's anything particularly unbelievable about someone using softw

  • You drink enough until the woman looks good. But stop before you marry her

  • Let the brewing done by men and let the technology make sure that every bottle is accounted for.

  • Now that crypto is losing its shine, we're suddenly getting a lot of AI stories.

  • OK so let's set aside the reality that this isn't really "AI." What everybody is calling AI, is really (pseudo) neural network-based prediction algorithms. Feed the system a bunch of inputs and grade its outputs, "training" it to make better predictions. This kind of training works well for applications like OCR or predicting the outcomes of various marketing strategies. With the right kind of training, I'd guess this approach could actually come up with some interesting concoctions that humans might not th

  • Anyone who brews or appreciates good beer knows this is absolute bs. Culinary mastery starts with someone with extraordinary senses to layer flavors and it doesnt matter if its food, wine, beer, whatever. Maybe they will come up with something but not likely.

  • Where did he build his platform?

  • The next scam? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:00AM (#62635266) Homepage

    When I read articles like this, I can only think of all the previous scams. Most recently, how blockchain and NFTs would change the world.

    Now it's AI.

    Guess what, in about 100 lines of code I could create a statistical program that would take existing beer recipes and spit out some random derivation from them. That is exactly what happens, when you feed these recipes into a neural net. But then you get to claim it's "AI". Wow, whoopie, where's the VC cash?

    • Re: The next scam? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @03:36AM (#62635310)
      however, would your statistical program earn you a 2nd place in a brewing competition? Unlikely.

      • On the one hand, I don't see anything in TFA about winning anything.

        On the other hand, even they did, so what? They certainly don't say that they took the first recipe generated and won anything. More likely, they had the system generate several recipes, and then took one that sounded interesting.

        On the gripping hand: there are zillions of beer competitions: winning something is not difficult, especially if you come in with a unique hanger like "AI recipe".

  • Not the first AI beer (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Company in England looks to have created one in 2016. Quite possibly others were done before that: https://weare10x.com/portfolio... [weare10x.com]

    The real accomplishment is highlighted in a different article: https://www.brewbound.com/news... [brewbound.com]

    has a QR code that encourages customers to review the beer. This process provides valuable customer engagement with the brewery as well as data to be processed in real-time to suggest recipe adjustments. By leveraging Deep Liquid’s AI platform, the research and development process is significantly more robust and efficient ... The neural network allowed us to get “Rodney v2” into market 70% faster

  • Just marketing, folks. Nothing to see here. Next: your local brewpub accepts crypto. Film at 11.

  • AI (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @06:27AM (#62635502)

    I did a bit of an experiment myself with this. I asked GPT3 to generate a "Black IPA" recipe based on the prompt:

    ALL GRAIN BLACK IPA

    Style: Black IPA
    Batch Size: 5 gallons

    Grain Bill:
    10 lbs Pale Ale Malt

    The. design here is meant to represent the standard grain bills seen around with hopefully enough information to realise I specifically want a recipe for a grain mash black IPA.

    Heres what it gave me.

    ALL GRAIN BLACK IPA

    Style: Black IPA
    Batch Size: 5 gallons

    Grain Bill:
    10 lbs Pale Ale Malt
    1 lb Munich Malt
    1 lb Caramunich Malt
    1 lb Flaked Wheat
    1 lb Flaked Oats
    1 lb Carafa III

    Hops:
    2 oz Cascade 60 min
    2 oz Cascade 15 min
    1 oz Cascade 5 min

    Yeast: Wyeast 1056 American Ale

    Mash: 154ÂF 60 min

    Boil: 60 min

    Primary: 14 days

    Secondary: None

    Bottling/Kegging: Carbonate to 2.5 volumes

    Interesting, but a little weird. So heres my math on this recipe;-

    Est Original Gravity: 1.072 SG
    Est Final Gravity: 1.017 SG
    Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7.4 %
    Bitterness: 51.2 IBUs
    Est Color: 36.3 SRM

    So this is interesting. The Alcohol is smack bang in the middle of the Alcohol content for the style. The color is on point too (Its black). But the hops is out of whack. Its not bitter enough and so with the high ABV and final gravity it might be a little bit too sweet tasting.

    So upping that to 3Kg for the 60min primary hops would fix that. I'd probably also switch up those cascade later additons with something like citra and amarillo. Then for good measure add a dry hops addition 4-5 days into the ferment of something with lots of floral stank.
    The oats and wheat can go too. This tilts in a little too far into the realm of black porters.

    So its actually a pretty good attempt. You would definately need to clean up the recipe and it wont win you any awards, but it would still be a fine beer.

    The fact that other than the hops it hit all the formal definitions in terms of gravity, alcohol, color and fell only short by not quite being. bitter enough however is pretty impressive.

    I might even brew it one day. The cleaned up version that is.

  • This is nothing. Until you handcraft artisanal bitcoin [imgur.com], you're a nobody.

  • Proof of sentience! (Score:3)

    by chas.williams ( 6256556 ) on Monday June 20, 2022 @09:51AM (#62635906)
    Obviously.

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