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HP's Omen 15 is the First Gaming Laptop With a 240Hz Display (engadget.com) 103

HP has just upped the refresh rate ante with its latest Omen 15. From a report: The company says it's the world's first gaming laptop with a 15.6-inch 1080p 240Hz IPS display, meaning it should stay ahead of even the quickest-shooting gamer. The laptop itself should also be able to keep up with the screen, as it's equipped with NVIDIA's latest mobile graphics, an 8th-generation Intel Core i7-8750H processor, 16GB of RAM and the latest 802.11ax wireless, aka "WiFi 6." The Omen 15 arrives in February at a starting price of $1,370.
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HP's Omen 15 is the First Gaming Laptop With a 240Hz Display

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  • by djbckr ( 673156 ) on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:31PM (#57918328)

    I'm not sure why all the laptop manufacturers insist on 1080p even (especially) for their high-end models. Surely Apple doesn't have a corner on the market for HiDPI displays. The only ones I've found that consistently has HiDPI is of course Apple, and AlienWare.

    By the way, is there anybody here that runs Linux straight on AlienWare and does it work well? Asking for a friend...

    • I have a Lenovo Yoga 920 which I run Archlinux on which has a 4k touchscreen display. 8th gen Intel i7, 16Gb of RAM. Used to have to blacklist the wifi driver, but a recent kernel fixed that.

    • If you care about 240 Hz you generally don't care about resolution because you need to run your game at a low resolution anyway in order to get a a high enough FPS to take advantage of your monitor's refresh rate. There is no point in having a 240 Hz (or 144 Hz) monitor if you're going to render at 1440p and only push out 60 fps.
    • The Dell XPS series also has UHD screens, although they're not marketed as "gaming" laptops. I still do casual gaming on my XPS 13 with surprisingly good graphics settings.
    • Well there is a few reasons.
      1. 4k needs a more powerful GPU. Most laptops like having the low powered integrated GPU. I have a 1070 on my laptop when I kick that guy off, my battery drops like a rock, I need to switch to internal GPU for the advertised usage amounts.
      2. Not all Apps work well in 4k. Windows and Linux. Incompatible apps, are SMALL, Really Small. to put it in context. The old CGA-VGA Resolution of 320x200 can be handled in Text mode on a 4k display where each character is about the size of

    • All I want is a 24" 4K display with a 4:3 or 3:2 ratio.

    • I don't know, it's hard to find porn with higher than 1080p resolution... (Yes, I want to play Grand Theft Auto in 4K with better antialiasing.)
    • Windows uses subpixel rendering for fonts [grc.com] (ClearType) to essentially turn a 1920x1080 display into a 5760x1080 display.

      One of the primary markets for Macs is page layout artists. When they design a page, they need the letters of a font to show up exactly where they will in the final printout so they can get the kerning right. Image clarity is secondary, since the final printout will be much higher resolution than the screen. Consequently, OS X does not do subpixel rendering of fonts. It anti-aliases
    • for a gaming laptop 1080p is good enough. Unlike text, resolution doesn't matter that much for games (or movies).
      Also, laptop video cards are much slower, therefore to get acceptable frame rate, a reduced resolution is a good compromise. Unless you want to buy a new gaming laptop in 6 months of course.

  • Uselessly fast (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Monday January 07, 2019 @01:32PM (#57918334)
    Displays now update the charges on the liquid crystals many times faster than the crystals themselves can update.
    • That's not the only useless specification - this laptop can probably also discharge its battery in less time than it takes to recharge it given that its reported battery life for just web-browsing is under 4 hours [laptopmag.com].
    • Displays now update the charges on the liquid crystals many times faster than the crystals themselves can update.

      That's been true ever since the beginning of dot matrix LCDs in consumer devices. The original Game Boy compact video game system updated its 2.6", 160x144 pixel, 4-level passive matrix super-twisted nematic (STN) LCD panel at 60 Hz, but the display had so much "ghosting" (motion blur) that a lot of games ran at 30, 20, or even 15 fps just to let the LCD catch up. Game Boy pocket didn't improve response time but was nonetheless a bit easier to see because of better overall contrast. Pixel response times as

    • many times faster than the crystals themselves can update.

      Justify that statement given that 480Hz LCD panels are a thing. Where's your citation that this display's crystals are slower than cycle of changing charge given to it.

      Whether or not 240Hz is a true benefit or not is something else entirely.

  • To tell us that this laptop is coming out in July? (as the article states). In any case, RTX 2070 or not, it's not pushing enough frames for a display like this to matter. Personally, I prefer reliable hardware with warranty coverage whose technicians don't treat me with absolute contempt when I try to get them to honor the coverage I purchased, causing me to have to email every vice president I can find locally here in Houston to get a simple motherboard swap done. Fuck HP.
    • \In any case, RTX 2070 or not, it's not pushing enough frames for a display like this to matter.

      This is objectively incorrect. People who play competitive shooters (such as myself) such as Counter-Strike Global Offensive target 200 fps minimum and like to have close to 400 fps. An RTX 2070 is more than capable of that at the low settings competitive games are typically played at. I personally play at 1024 x 768 stretched to 16:9 in Global Offensive, which is a common resolution amongst professionals

      And before someone replies to me here claiming that "humans can't see more than 30 fps" -- yes, they

      • You seriously arent using CS:GO for your analogies? That game is on 15 year old rendering tech and posts over 100 FPS at 1080p max settings on even low end integrated graphics.
      • by Jahoda ( 2715225 )
        Just want to make this clear: it's your assertion that the Slashdot community makes purchasing decisions on HP laptops based on CSGO, which "professionals" commonly are using these laptops at 1024x768 running in 16:9 instead of 4:3. Even more, you believe you are representative of people who might purchase this laptop.

        Ok.
        • wishful thinking (think outside the box, man!)
          :P
        • Just want to make this clear: it's your assertion that the Slashdot community makes purchasing decisions on HP laptops based on CSGO, which "professionals" commonly are using these laptops at 1024x768 running in 16:9 instead of 4:3. Even more, you believe you are representative of people who might purchase this laptop.

          No, it's not my assertion. I never said anything about speaking for the Slashdot community or consumers as whole. I'm not sure how you got that impression.

          And yes, I am representative of the people who might purchase this laptop. I actually drew on my own personal experience as a long-time competitive gamer who now has a career that requires travel, but still like to take competitive gaming seriously. I try to only play league games on my desktop (it's more performant, obviously), but having a 144 Hz la

    • Then post a story on Slashdot, of upcoming technology that you think would fit you niche.

    • In any case, RTX 2070 or not, it's not pushing enough frames for a display like this to matter.

      What makes you say that? There's plenty of games where you exceed 120fps at 1080p even on a GTX 1070.

  • More pixels, more power used.

    Faster updating, more power used....

    This is just ludicrous.

  • by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Monday January 07, 2019 @02:23PM (#57918674) Homepage
    If you play multi-player games where awareness and reaction are paramount (Fortnight, Player Unknown Battlegrounds, CS:GO, Overwatch, League of Legends, Dota 2, etc. etc. etc.) you're putting an extreme amount of stress on your health, as your eyes are looking at a comparatively small monitor, your posture couldn't be worse and your arms position is ... let's not talk about that.
  • You had me at "RTX 2070"!
  • Stop this nonsense!
  • Apparently the marketing team wasn't told they'd sell more if they sold them for $33 cheaper... not a very leet move for such leet hardware!

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