MacBook Air Confuses Airport Security 550
Ant writes "MacNN reports that the thin design of Apple's MacBook Air is causing some confusion for the technically ignorant, according to one blogger who says that the ultra-portable caused him to miss his flight. When going through the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) airport security checkpoint, blogger Michael Nygard was held up as security staff gathered around his MacBook Air, trying to make sense of the slender laptop/notebook. One of the less technically knowledgeable staff points out the lack of standard features as cause for alarm..."
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Ooga Chaka (Score:5, Funny)
Apparently, the "spear with a lack of features" was cause for great alarm among the Ooga-Chakas.
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But with the new MacBook Air, I don't need to bludgeon my trout anymore. I can just pluck it out of the water with my newly developed mind powers and have it baked with a side of waterfowl before it even hits the ground. Yummers, pyrokineticly cooked duck! Thanks MacBook Air!
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Nothing like the smell of baked trout on your mac toy.
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Which part exactly do you object to?
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It really boils down to the technically ignorant doing work that requires at some point a certain minimum level of technical competence. Kind of like a PHB making computer and networking decisions. I have not flown commercial in many years. The more stories I hear from my friends who still fly, the more I will take the train. There may be a case where I will fly again some day, but not if a viable alternative is available. I used to like to fly. I liked zipping into different cities, doing my job and popping back. It was exciting. Now, it would just be painful. Not my cup of tea.
BTW, if you fly on private craft, my experience so far has been a decided lack of idiots to deal with. Kind of makes the cost and time to get a pilots license that much more attractive.
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I don't think you are being fair.
Protecting travelers from new attack vectors in real time based on an x-ray and basic visual inspection is not a job that can be performed reliably with any standard skill set. What the TSA actually appears to be aiming for is people who can identify a gun/knife/conventionally designed incendiary device, so that nobody has to stand in front of the cameras after an incident and explain how we missed the conventional threat during screening.
Unconventional threats cannot reliably be prevented through the methods the TSA is currently employing, but no one wants to admit this and pierce the illusion of security that these measures provide the average traveler.
Instead of relating TSA grunts to PHBs making decisions they are not qualified to make you could keep it simple and call it what it is: Politicians fronting like they have solutions, and average citizens (TSA workers) set up to take the blame when those flimsy solutions fail.
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I think you need to re-read my post. My entire point was that the current security schemes will only work against obvious conventional threats, nothing more.
And yet we have built this egregiously cumbersome security mechanism... which will most likely fail against the first unconventional threat that comes its way.
And who will be blamed for that failure? Surely not the architects of the system, because they will c
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Vigilantism, Rationality (Score:5, Interesting)
Devil's advocate: What attributes? Being brown?
This is what vigilantism looks like. [schneier.com]
II. RationalityI'm not so sure. Your argument rests on the assumption that the terrorists make well-reasoned decisions to further their cause. They do have objectives -- "get out of the Middle East, U.S!" -- but in my opinion they are horribly misguided in their decisions: If they wanted to reduce the U.S. military presence there, they sure as hell haven't succeeded.
Some people say, "the terrorists have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams." I don't think so. Rather, the current situation is a dismal failure for all involved, terrorists included. It's a failure for the U.S., which is now engaged in a bloody, costly (we have spent more than we did in Vietnam [spiegel.de]), no-way-out quagmire of a war. It's a failure for the extremists who downed those planes, who rather than convincing the U.S. to pull out of the Middle East has provoked it to deploy even more troops there. It is a failure for "Iraqi" civilians (even if no "Iraqi" ethnic identity really exists), who might have been oppressed under Saddam but who at least had electricity and drinking water. It is a failure for nearly everyone. The only reason this mess continues is that we, the extremists, and everyone else, are stuck together in yet-another (the world has so many) collective [wikipedia.org] action [wikipedia.org] problem [wikipedia.org].
[The list of those who have benefited from this situation is short -- mainly politicians (in the US and in the Middle East) and government contractors (Haliburton/KBR, etc) happy to multiply the terror and exploit the situation (see the BBC's The Power of Nightmares [wikipedia.org] -- video here [youtube.com]). But these people didn't engineer the attacks; they're just opportunists.]
I got a little sidetracked, but the point is this: The terrorists did not plan a well-reasoned attack to achieve their objectives; by most rational metrics I can think of, they have failed. Therefore, I wouldn't put it past them to do something stupid again -- like stage an attack which will ultimately make their task more difficult. That's the part of your post I was disagreeing with -- that these terrorists make smart decisions. I suspect they don't -- not because they're populated by stupid people (terrorists tend to be well-educated. I'm most familiar not with Middle-Eastern terrorists, but with the Japanese terror cult Aum Shinrikyo [wikipedia.org] that released Sarin nerve gas on the Tokyo subway -- and that organization was full of Ph.D.s and physics students) but because their logical, analytical minds have been short-circuited by a seductive ideology.
In other words, we've got one group of people whose brains have been short-circuited by ideology and anger against another whose frontal lobes have been shut off by a hyperactive fear-and-stress center [wikipedia.org]. I'm not counting on rationality from anyone.
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There is a difference between people doing their best with limited resources, and airport security, which continually employs the most inadequate individuals I h
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I cant imagine any gun shaped objects inside it either (hell do they make a gun that thin?).
They dont need to know what it is - they only need to know that its not a thread.
Asking him to turn it on would suffice.
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If you're able to get your laptop stolen in that environment, you shouldn't have been using a computer.
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I categorically resent that. Historically our business transformation architecture achieves multipoint synergies by the close-tracking of business channel optimisation strategies, and our decision workshopping with regard to procurement of necessary infrastructure precludes the detail assessment quid-pro-quo with regard to non-executive decision makers. If I say we need duplicate DHCP servers then by god I want them to be exact duplicates, from their highly redundant address lists right down to the tiny little rubber feet!
And I have great hair! Just ... not much of it any more.
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You must appreciate the IT Director who demands (and I mean vehemently demands) that all 5000 computers deployed MUST HAVE FEET.
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Your break-even distance is almost 8 hours... in other words... if you aren't expecting to have to drive 8 hours, use your car or take a bus.
If you're going further than 8 hours by car, it's going to be like 5+ hours by Cessna and just suck up the 45 minutes to get through security (and the $500 in fuel) and take Southwest Airlines for $99.
I've only ever heard of about 3 situations where it was actually ECONOMICAL (both time and money) to take a private plane, unless you're god-awful rich and can afford a pilot to handle the checklists before you arrive.
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The lifestyle of small-scale private aviation (Score:5, Interesting)
I loved the freedom associated with being able to take off and land at any time, at any airport. In this particular case, he could leave out of Van Nuys airport, about 15 minutes from his home, instead of LAX which would have taken a grinding hour and a half to get to.
I will admit that flying a private plane is disappointingly non-luxurious - his interior felt more like a Subaru than a Mercedes - but even though I was not very good at physically flying the plane I enjoyed changing the frequencies on the radios and navigation systems. (This was before GPS took off in a big way - we used the old beacon system.)
I would have surely preferred a jet but I liked flying private better than commercial. As I remember it cost him about $55 per flight hour to run, including overhauls, and he certainly believed it penciled out for him economically. He had to carry fairly heavy amounts of baggage for the trade shows we went to and that definitely helped.
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Completely off topic (Score:3, Interesting)
After years of dicking about the cost I finally went for it four years ago. I've spent $80k in total, spent a few hundred h
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How many of them did not involve drugs?
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It doesn't take an hour to get going in a light plane, even if you need to file IFR. In my situation, the typical IFR trip was: drive to the local GA airport (5 minutes) and park. Walk to the hangar, pull the club's Beech Bonanza out. Pre-flight would take around 15 minutes. If the weather looked shitty, I'd probably have already filed the IFR flight plan the evening before. The airport line man would have already fuelled it,
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The whole thing is actually more of a "show" nowadays, put on to make people feel safe and that the government is doing something. I mean banning liquids= joke.
After 9/11, the odds of such an incident being repeated went down a lot. In fact one of the planes didn't hit the target because of the passengers (who learnt what was happening), so that proves my point.
Now:
1) Cockpit doors are reinforced
2) The "unwritten rules of hijacking" have been invalidated- so more than a few passengers might think it is worth losing their lives to take down hijackers (esp if they think the hijackers are going to kill them all anyway). More importantly, serious hijackers know that (the crazy ones are a different matter).
3) The bomb scanning stuff has already been around for years, so the small stuff is invalidated by 2).
So, if terrorists now wanted to use planes to kill lots of people, they'll use private aircraft like you suggest
AFAIK private planes don't have as stringent luggage requirements as long as you know the pilot (or are the pilot). Those stars don't appear to have problems putting illicit drugs and stuff on their planes.
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After 9/11, the odds of such an incident being repeated went down a lot. In fact one of the planes didn't hit the target because of the passengers (who learnt what was happening), so that proves my point.
Hell, before 9/11 the odds were slim to none. If security was so piss-poor before, then why had there only been maybe half a dozen or so (I don't have a list in front of me at the moment) incidents of, say, bombs being used to blow us U.S. originated airliners? And hardly any incidents of hijackers actually taking control of a plane and crashing it? For that matter, why have there never been mass suicide bombings in our malls or other public places a la what happens in some other corners of the world? In theory, it should be stupidly easy to walk into the Mall of America at lunchtime and blow yourself up, taking a few dozens shoppers with you.
It boils down to this: 9/11 was an anomaly. It was so far out of the norm that it had never been done before, and is not likely to be replicated anytime soon. The risk is always there, but it is infinitesimally small in relation to the number of flights and passengers annually. You can be 99.9% safe and, in the process, majorly disrupt and complicate airline travel, negatively affect the economy by costing businesses and their travelers added expense and delays, plus expend billions of taxpayer dollars on added security. Or, you can use the same common sense precautions that had always been used, and still be, say, 99.5% safe. The difference is not worth the expense. Of course, if you happen to have a loved one killed in such an incident, you will say that ANY improvement in security is worth ANY additional effort and expense, but when it comes to the big picture, common sense must trump emotionalism or we will all be held hostage to fear.
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I will SECOND that motion! It's a rare month that I don't fly, I often fly 3-4 times per month. I recently got my private pilot's license. (yay!)
Flying to Oakland, CA? Go on a commercial jet, and you experience:
1) 1.5 hour trip to the nearest "major" airport.
2) 1-2 hour long wait at the security line.
3) Rude staff.
4) Lousy amenities.
5) Destination airport virtually guaranteed to be 1-2 hours drive away from the actual destination.
6) Cramped seat.
Now, I'm flying more and more privately, I'm in negotiations to buy into a partnership. Here's what I see so far:
1) Local airport, 5 minute drive.
2) 10 minute wait checking the plane out before flight. Effectively no security check.
3) Friendly staff that make it a point to remember your name.
4) Gorgeous bathrooms, with plants, tile, and free hygiene kits. (shave, toothbrush, etc) Free coffee, dough nuts, etc. Often catered luncheons for free as well. Leather seats, free waiting rooms with DVD collection, free conference room!
5) Destination virtually guaranteed to be anywhere from 10 minutes drive to ACROSS THE STREET from a small, local airport.
6) Cramped seat. (Hey, some things never change!)
Seriously, the difference is NIGHT AND DAY. Commercial = cattle. Private = red carpet. And, for shorter flights, the price difference is less than you might think.
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just out of interest, based on the above - if you were aiming for a flight that departed the runway at 12 noon, what time would you leave your house.. 11am?
Ok - this is just getting silly! (Score:3, Funny)
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I am sure those uber tiny laptops get as much attention as well.
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And the in-flight movie? Executive Decision, in which the Bad Guy uses a Psion Series 3a as the remote control for a bomb on the plane.
*Did I mention that this was way before Sept. 2001?
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Ah, I remember Executive Decision. As I recall it was the first Steven Seagal movie that was any good!
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It could have been better. Ten minutes with him in the movie was a little long.
Re:Ok - this is just getting silly! (Score:5, Insightful)
Either way, had he been there a little earlier he could have had plenty of time to explain his new gadget and boarded the plane. TSA (and common sense) - 1, jackass blogger - 0.
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If you can fit more inside a MacBook Air than Apple claims, you're doing *really* well.
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If I call in colleagues and they all agree they they don't know what the hell is going on, we try to find someone who does instead of standing around staring at a computer.
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Can't blame them (Score:2)
(either that or they just want one)
(or they just want to rub their thing on.. awww nvmd this one..)
Re:Ok - this is just getting silly! (Score:4, Funny)
This is TSA: even water is a dangerous substance, except when you throw it away.
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wait...
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That has nothing to do with explosives or planes, though.
Re:Ok - this is just getting silly! (Score:4, Funny)
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I know you're joking, but you are aware that Intel Macs can run Windows, Mac and Unix software these days... right?
In fact, I can't think of a single machine ever marketed that runs as much software as an Intel Mac.
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TSA has a hard job (Score:5, Funny)
Is this news? or marketing? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Sounds like his fault (Score:5, Insightful)
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Ignore this shitty, fake story (Score:3, Insightful)
Like the name? (Score:2)
Question about missed flight (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyhow, my question is if you miss a flight because of these TSA guys, does your airline put you on the next available flight at no extra cost?
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Frankly, I am surprized one of those guys/gals doesn't pull a gun and go postal.
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Patience, my friend, patience.
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The TSA screeners at my local airport appear to be unarmed. There are armed airport police, but they're not Federal employees.
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Which is logical, the security-check-people are (indirectly) hired by them afterall, if they want to they can hire more people and handle more people in parallell to make the lines shorter.
No surprise really... (Score:3, Interesting)
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One of the rules happens to be: separate laptops from other electronic devices. So what makes it a laptop and what makes it a "dvd player"? The keyboard? Yo
good logic... (Score:4, Funny)
Humm, and I going to go to jail for that last comment, its hard to tell what's a crime any more...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8L39UwOS-Y [youtube.com]
I think that video speaks for itself about the uses Steve Jobs has in mind for his products.
I'd say these TSA guys are definitely on to something...
goatse them (Score:4, Funny)
if enough people did it TSA agents would quickly lose their taste for looking at our laptops.
on a more serious note, has there ever been a record of someone attempting to sneak a bomb onto a plane via a laptop? no? then pay attention to real dangers pls just for once.
Not a laptop, but a boom box brought down a 747 (Score:5, Informative)
Similar though completely different experience... (Score:2, Interesting)
i am no expert, but ... (Score:2)
Meanwhile, check out this neat music video [youtube.com] (via Schneiers blog [schneier.com]).
Show up on time, dumbass. (Score:5, Insightful)
Not always true (Score:5, Interesting)
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So, I was a middle-aged white male, paying cash at the last minute for a one-way ticket traveler, with an airplane headset and flying charts in my bag. How many times do you think I got the extra-special treatment?
Every. Single. Time.
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Seriously, every time I've flown with my family my 8 year old brother gets selected for the "secondary" inspection. It's pretty funny, last time he didn't even try to walk through, walked straight to the yellow feet... and they actually had him selected, they asked "how did you know?" He said 'you always pick me, I must look like a terrorist I guess..."
Reminds me of my RIO PMP300 (Score:2)
This story reminds me of a similar hassle with new technology and security lines...
I had a Rio PMP300 MP3 player back in late 90s when no one knew what an mp3 player was. I went into a US Court House for some business and the guard at the metal detector couldn't figure it out. Wanted to know where to stick the tape in. I tried explaining it to him but eventually he just insisted I check it and pick it up on the way out at the end of the day.
Gotta wonder what they did with the thing while I was up in t
One word! (Score:2)
Kind of makes me wonder what would happen if... (Score:5, Insightful)
With that thin design... (Score:4, Funny)
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Five Finger Shoes (Score:5, Funny)
Airport security manual (Score:5, Funny)
A) Strike with hand, grunt and run away.
B) Strike with rock, grunt and run away.
C) Strike with club, grunt and run away.
D) If first three methods fail strike passenger with club, grunt and run away.
Appropriate Quote (Score:5, Funny)
Who's dumber? (Score:5, Funny)
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THIS is how you sneak stuff past security... (Score:4, Funny)
This dude is hilarious...
User's fault IMHO (Score:4, Funny)
The commercial clearly shows that it should be MAILED to its destination.
The term is "astroturfing" (Score:4, Informative)
Note that the "linux to mac" section of the blog has one article, not once mentioning linux.
Read through it, and ask yourself, who the f*#@ is Michael Nygard, and why should I care?
MAC Air having trouble with AirPort? (Score:4, Funny)
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I'm not sure they do..
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Actually only the detonator is in the laptop. The bomb is sold separately as a $99 external USB device.
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1802-Transportation Security Officer (TSO) (Screener) - SUN107
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As a Transportation Security Officer (TSO) (Screener):
You will perform a variety of duties related to providing security and protection of air travelers, airports and aircraft. You will be responsible for identifying dangerous objects in baggage, cargo and/or on passengers; and preventing those objects from being transported onto aircraft. You are required to perform various tasks such as: wanding, pat down searches, operation of x-ray machines, lift and carry baggage (weighing up to 70 pounds), and screening and ticket review using electronic and imaging equipment. As a TSO, you may perform passenger screening, baggage screening or both. You are expected to perform these duties in a courteous and professional manner.
* Communicate with the public, giving directions and responding to inquiries in a professional and courteous manner.
* Maintain focus and awareness within an environment containing numerous distractions, people, and noise.
* Stand and remain standing for periods up to 4 hours without sitting.
* Repeatedly lift and carry an object weighing up to 70 pounds.
* Work within a stressful environment, which includes noise from alarms, machinery, and people, distractions, time pressure, disruptive and angry passengers, and the requirement to identify and locate potentially life-threatening devices and devices intended on creating massive destruction.
* Make effective decisions in both crisis and routine situations.
Work Schedule: Full-time Split-Shift (40 hours per week). A Split Shift schedule is defined as any two shifts, lasting at least two (2) hours each, in one 24-hour period with a break of at least two (2) hours between shifts. Full-time work hours for this position consists of shift-work on any day from Sunday through Saturday, which may include irregular hours, nights, holidays, overtime, extended shifts and weekend shifts, changing shifts, and split shifts. Exceptions include additional shifts to support morning, midday, and afternoon or evening operations. Specific work shifts and schedules will be determined by the airport.
TSA will not pay any pre-employment travel expenses (e.g., travel to and from testing, medical examination facilities and assessment sites). As part of the evaluation process you will be required to travel to a TSA specified medical facility within commuting area of the airport for which you applied.
Qualifications
1. You must be a U.S.Citizen or U.S. National; AND
2. You must have a high school diploma, GED or equivalent; OR at least one year of full-time work experience in security work, aviation screener work, or x-ray technician work.
Possess the following job-related knowledge, skills, and abilities:
* English Proficiency (e.g., reading, writing, speaking, listening)
* Mental Abilities (e.g., visual observation and identification, mental rotation)
* Interpersonal Skills (e.g., customer service, dependability)
* Work Values (e.g., responsibility, honesty, integrity)
* Physical Abilities(e.g. repeatedly lifting and carrying baggage weighing up to 70 lbs, bending, reaching, stooping, squatting, standing, and walking and identifying objects by touch).
All TSOs must meet the following standards:
* Distant vision correctable to 20/30 or better in the best eye and 20/100 or better in the worse eye
* Near vision correctable to 20/40 or better binocular
* Color perception (e.g., red, green, blue, yellow, orange, purple, brown, black, white, gray) note: color filters (e.g., contact lenses) for enhancing color discrimination are prohibited.
* Hearing as measured by audiometry cannot exceed:
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The deduction logic thus works as follows:
External USB hard disk drive cases = flat metallic objects => body armour
Fisheye camera lens = circular metallic object => land mine or grenade
Computer cables = long thin stretchy objects with connectors at each end => deto
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I also find it amusing that they don't think the Macbook is a "device". Man, these morons have even less brains than I had anticipated.
Wonderful Airport Insecurity. Gotta make you wonder.
I just wonder how much longer must we deal with the TSA? I mean, for the actual "threat" of "terrorism", they are overkill to the max. And are completely useless. All a would-be terrorist would have to do is pick a really busy time to come into the airport, stand in the TSA security line, and blow himself sky-high bef
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It's not even Alanis ironic.
The whole story is part of a viral marketing campaign intended to establish the Air as different, iconic.
"It's a MacBook Air."
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