"Tech Heroes" From Ada Lovelace to Jamie Z 117
An anonymous reader writes "The Web 2.0 Journal has launched a search for what it calls "the all-time heroes of i-Technology" (its own shorthand for 'Internet technologies'), reaching as far back as to The Countess of Lovelace, though whether or not Ada Lovelace is truly the first programmer is not discussed. As an exercise in reminding ourselves whose shoulders we are standing on when hurtlng towards the 21st-century, richer Web it's not a bad start. Naturally there are sins of omission..."
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In the search for heroes, they should talk to a Mr. Mohinder Suresh. I hear he has a list.
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irony of the sites name (Score:5, Informative)
a Web 2 "journal" that doesn't even validate and uses tables for presentation (not to mention 20+adverts per page) spread over 18 pages
if that's what web 2 is all about i'm dreading Web 3
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I may be wrong, but this strikes me as 'hey, lets make something slashdot might put up and fill it with adverts'. What a heap.
Oh, and web 2.0 is, so far as I've been able to tell, all about making money, and that means advertising, so yes, expect worse to come.
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Even worse, that crap pops up even if you have Adblock on.
Despite that, I hope whoever invented Adblock is on the list. My vote for best technology of the "Web 2.0" era, by far.
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Please check sites before linking them (Score:2)
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Why is that ironic? "Web 2.0" is about hyping "interactive" web applications — most of which are badly designed.
Can someone explain to me why Jamie Z is a hero? I only know him from reading his comments in the Netscape keyboard resource file when I was trying to get the browser to behave under Linux. These left me with a permanent dislike for the dude: instead of explaining the format of the file, he put in lengthy sarcastic (and misinformed) rants about the "mistakes" made by various Unix vendors i
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Also one of the interesting things is, his club runs OSS (as much as possible) and he shares the stuff as well as "Club" is much more like an open source project, even deepest details including how to get a license for club is shared as well as the software source making some stuff run.
http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/ [dnalounge.com]
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Naturally there are sins of omission... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Naturally there are sins of omission... (Score:4, Insightful)
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The 'Artificial Intelligence' people are touchy these days.
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Web 2.0 Journal? (Score:5, Informative)
Well I'm glad to see this web 2.0 is so user friendly.
Relax... (Score:2)
Think of it this way: you were looking at page 1. Of 22. Now, do you feel better? If you *had* read the fucking article, you would have had to click 22 times on that "close this window" button. That's what you get when you try to read an article about the inventor of Ada, the most overhyped language until Ruby.
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Consigning "Web 2.0 Journal" to the trashcan where it so obviously belongs.
Ada and Ruby (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course that was the problem: When Ada came out only very powerfull system where able to run an Ada compiler so not many programmers could actualy try the language.
But that's not a problem any more, grap yourself an open source Ada compiler [1] and see for yourself.
As for Ruby: That seems a nice enough language as well. Never given me any problems. So where actually is your problem?
Martin
[1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming/Inst
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Actually, the problem as I understood it was that Ada compilers were required to undergo a strict certification process, managed in part by the U.S. government. This process was very expensive for compiler vendors, therefore the compilers were themselves very expensive. Getting your hands on an Ada compiler cost several thousand dollars, c
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strict certification process has it's merrits (Score:1)
However: There is an advantage here as well: All compiler ventdors - even today - comply with the standart. There is an ISO standart describing the official test harnish.
All unlike C/C+
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I do so like the Firefox Nuke Anything Enhanced [mozilla.org] extension. I don't use it often, but for web sites like TFA it is nice to have its "remove this object" choice on the right click menu.
That said, you didn't miss much by not RTFA. I waded through the first few paragraphs, but stopped when I realized that author was in love with the english language but not in a healthy way...
Fire of My Loins! (Score:2)
(I vote we talk about anything and everything *except TFA.)
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Sys-Con Media is known for this sort of thing. They whip up publications devoted to the latest trends, then scrap them when the ad dollars dry up.
They forgot one (Score:5, Informative)
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Woaaah (Score:2, Funny)
I can't believe it, gazillion ads on one page (they topped tom's hardware)
Ouch! (Score:4, Funny)
I think I'll stick to plain HTML 4.0.1 if web 2.0 is going to hurt that much.
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Misplaced credit (Score:1, Interesting)
For instance, I always gave credit for the invention of spread spectrum to Hedy Lamarr (a movie star). Then I found this little gem:
"Frequency hopping spread spectrum was a public domain idea by 1917. The Germans used it in WWII. Hitler wanted to win by bluff and before the war started, invited public figures from England and the US to see how invincible his military w
The Lamarr Patent (Score:4, Informative)
Lamarr was in Hollywood in 1937.
U.S. Patent Number 2,292,387, August 11th, 1942, [was awarded to Hedy Lamarr] under the name 'Hedy Keisler Markey' (her married name) and George Antheil, for a 'Secret Communications System.' Nomination for the EFF Pioneer award [ncafe.com]
Lamarr's first husband was an independent munitions maker interested in control systems whose European properties were confiscated by the Reich in 1938. George Antheil, an avant-garde composer interested in the related problem of synchronizing non-traditional "instruments" in concert performance. Advanced Weaponry of the Stars [americanheritage.com]
Hitler wanted to win by bluff and before the war started, invited public figures from England and the US to see how invincible his military was.
Hitler was always alert to the propaganda value of massive displays of troops and guns and planes.
But he was not such a fool as to prematurely expose the secret technologies of jet propulsion, radar, guided missiles, the Enigma, etc., that, in the end, might prove decisive.
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I knew how much to trust the guy the second he said this:
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KFG
You are easily swayed. (Score:4, Informative)
There are many accounts of Lamarr explaining the process by which she and George Antheil invented the concept of frequency hopping. At the outbreak of WWII Hedy had in idea for a torpedo guidance system. Antheil suggested a way to sync the necessary systems together using a roll of punched paper (as in a player piano)
Claude E. Shannon (Score:5, Insightful)
Dubious paternity (Score:3, Informative)
H. Nyquist, "Certain Factors Affecting Telegraph Speed," Bell Systems Tech. Jour., vol. 3, April 1924, p. 324
H. Nyquist, "Certain Topics in Telegraph Transmission Theory," A.I.E.E. Trans., vol. 47, April 1828, p. 617
R. V. L. Ha
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Are you sure about that, or are you just believing that source that you've seen? I ask, because there doesn't seem to be much else out there implying that Shannon dubiously appropriated the work of Nyquist and Hartley and passed it off as his own original work. It would be scandalous if that were the case.
As I recall from reading Shannon's paper years ago, Shannon does reference (rather than appropriating the work of) Nyquist in his 1949 paper, and what is generally regarded as his original contribution,
It's a philosophical question (Score:1, Interesting)
The above linked wiki article is excellent and shows the relation between Nyquist, Hartley and Shannon. AFACT, you could make the argument either way.
A similar question might be: Who is the father of radio? Marconi? Maxwell?
Who discovered the electron? ancient Greeks? Stoney? Thompson?
In attributing credit for something, the guy favors the first one to posit an idea even if the practical implementation came much much later. He points out that
The mind bibbles, boggles and so on (Score:5, Insightful)
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Turing knew how to use Colossus, and did some very impressive things. Certainly he could be assigned the title father of AI, but not of modern computing by a long shot. There are people
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It appears they worked together, so it is hard to say. Turing used electro-mechanical relays, and Flowers replaced the designs with vacuum tubes because of his experience in phone systems. Thus, he may have simply "upgraded" the switches to faster technology rather than reinvent the entire computer design itself.
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But Flowers was mostly interested in increasing the speed via tubes instead of mechanical switches. He was not trying for a revolutionary kind of device or techniques other than using tubes instead. Sure, the difference in technology may have resulted in some innovations, but the concepts were not really different it appears
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I guess it depends on how one defines "computer". Turing's mechanical devices were considered "computers". They just were not electronic. I guess you could say Flowers invented the *electronic* computer. But that is a different credit than inventing the computer. That credit would probably go to Mr. Pascal. The other invention that is uncl
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Ahhh.. so he's the guy who invented the internet, then?
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2. Turing's greatest contribution was theoretical, and dates back to his paper "On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entscheidungsproblem", which was written and published in 1936.
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IIRC, mauchley and eckert got credit for the "stored program", that is storing the program in memory rather than wire-boards. But that is a different issue than "first electronic computer".
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did they get <URLhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers> who built Colossus ?
Missing pair (Score:3, Informative)
from their list (Score:4, Funny)
Jean Ichbiah: Creator of Ada
Grace Murray Hopper: Developer of the first compiled high level programming language, COBOL
Jordan Hubbard: One of the creators of FreeBSD; currently a manager of Apple's Darwin project
Jean D Ichbiah: Principal designer, Ada language (1977)
Ken Iverson: Inventor of APL, later J
I've never used ADA, is it really so good that its inventor had to be listed twice in the same list?
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In the list posted (I, obviously, didn't RTFA), the first listing was as 'creator' and the second as 'designer' of ADA. This sounds more like the first listing is for implementation while the second is for design.
This sounds like it would be a little bit more appropriate for Java or C# than ADA...
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Though the Ada language seems destined to be forgotten, at one time the U.S. Department of Defense required that any significant code written for DoD projects be written in Ada.
Article text (Score:2, Informative)
I wonder how many people, as I did, found themselves thrown into confusion by the death last week of Jean Ichbiah (pictured below), inventor of Ada.
Learning that the inventor of a computer programming language is already old enough to have lived 66 years (Ichbiah was 66 when he succumbed to brain cancer) is a little like learning that your 11-year-old daughter has grown up and left home or that the first car you ever bought no longer is legal because it runs on ga
i-Technology? (Score:1)
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No he doesn't. He hasn't been at Adobe for a long while now, and in fact, he and Robert Tatsumi have formed a new startup with other notable ex-Flash engineers.
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Until then, they really shouldn't even be mentioned in an article about 'Tech Heroes.'
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Look, tell you what: as soon as you conceive of and write a bit of code that is installed on a few hundred million machines around the world, and ends up producing a multibillion dollar corporate merger, let us know, OK?
You may find Flash's success to be annoying to your ideology, but the monstrous technical success it's had, and failure of competing technologies, leaves no room for argument here.
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For gods sake, you make 'ideology' out to be a nasty word.
Heroes (Score:2, Insightful)
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Please tell me that was not an ordered list (Score:2)
Vannevar Bush (Score:4, Informative)
If you're unaware, he wrote a memo in 1945 titled 'As we may think' [theatlantic.com] which laid down a lot of seminal ideas about information, computing devices (the Memex [wikipedia.org]) and the way in which we interact with it - specifically the concept of hypertext.
If you haven't already read his memo, give it a shot. Along with Alvin Toffler's book 'Future Shock', this changed the way I view technology for ever... oh, stick Alvin Toffler on the list too, Bill Gates for 'commoditising' the PC, Gordon Moore, pretty much anyone who ever worked at Xerox PARC and the guy who invented the MP3 codec. They're all important to why we're sat here today.
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From 1937, HG Wells' essay/lecture "The World Brain: The Idea of a Permanent World Encyclopedia" reflects a more accurate version of what we now call the World Wide Web. Bush's hypertext was mostly personal and barely social. http://sherlock.berkeley.edu/wells/world_brain.htm l [berkeley.edu]
And even more important was Emanuel Goldberg, who actually had the machine
Konrad Zuse (Score:1)
Bill Gates .. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Proof that global warming is getting serious (Score:2, Funny)
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After I saw it I was eager for anything to cheer me up.
Clean link (Score:3, Insightful)
We need a tag for "loaded up with ads to the point where you can't even RTFA if you wanted to", but I can't think of anything pithy. "adsoup"?
Some don't make sense (Score:2)
How the hell did Bill Gate get on a list with Vince Cerf, John Postel, Robert Metcalfe, and Nicklaus Wirth? All he did was singlehandly pollute the Internet with spam, and lower IT standards to the point of making IT the laughing stock of the technology sector. Truly an intellectual midget among giants.
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Such is the way of the brand driven world.
KFG
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Bill Gates is a "laughing stock" only to the proto-Geek who laughed at the Model T Ford, so much less elegant a solution than the Stanley Steamer. But you could "afford a Ford" and so the Ford became ubiquitous.
The PC is everywhere for the same reason that paved roads are everywhere. The market b
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Bill Gates worked at IBM, on the PC? That was his idea?
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If anyone is to get the credit for that (on the x86 side of things), then it's probably Compaq.
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There are so many of them still around. Actually, its not BG whose the laughing stock - its the "IT" sector that's a laughing stock to every other engineering and technical discipline. Almost entirely because of the phrase "microsoft standard".
Douglas Engelbart (Score:1)
I'd add Woz and Rotenberg (Score:3, Informative)
Also I would add Jonathan Rotenberg. He founded the Boston computer Society [wikipedia.org] in 1977. The BCS served as a incubator for new products and companies. Many of the large computer companies made presentations and announcements to the BCS. Several companies used groups of people at the BCS as source for focus groups and and source for beta groups (back in the days where they didn't consider customers their alpha testers).
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Oh, never mind.
(My personal and somewhat meagre innovation from the same era was using the degrees/radian slide switch on the SR-56 calculator as a hardware interrupt)
Have to give trash-80 credit (Score:2)
David J. Bradley (Score:1)
I'm afraid the identity of the "Any" key creator (possibly the most useful one in all computing) has been lost to history.
What's with that site? (Score:1)
You gotta see this (Score:1)
the well: marcus watts (Score:2)
My two additions (yes, I know, everybody has some) (Score:2)
Americans with Disabilities Act... (Score:3, Insightful)
Americans for Democratic Action...
Assistant District Attorney...
American Diabetes Association...
which of them [1] are you sick off?
I personaly am sick of people who don't know that a "A female given name."[2] is not spelled all upper case.
Martin
[1] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ADA [wiktionary.org]
[2] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ada [wiktionary.org]
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