Mexico Considers the 40-Hour Workweek (axios.com) 72
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Axios: Mexico is debating shortening its workweek from 48 hours to 40, but not everyone is on board. The Mexican bill made it out of committee last week, and it likely has the votes to pass when the legislative session restarts in September. In Mexico, cutting the workweek from the current 48 hours would give workers an extra day off per week. More than 40% of Mexicans (PDF) work six days a week, according to the national statistics institute.
"We want workers here to work to live, not live to work," Mexican Congress Member Susana Prieto Terrazas, who introduced the proposal, told Noticias Telemundo this week. "A lot of people work 10 or 12 hours daily and on top of that they take up to four hours going to work and back home That's not life," she added. Prieto Terrazas dismissed concerns about the law's possible immediate application, saying companies have months to become familiar with the draft and make preparations before the congressional vote. The bill comes as other countries push to adopt a four-day workweek. "The vast majority of companies taking part in the world's largest trial of a four-day week have opted to continue with the new working pattern, in a result hailed as evidence that it could work across the UK economy," reported The Guardian in March of this year.
"Of the 61 companies that entered the six-month trial, 56 have extended the four-day week, including 18 who have made it permanent."
"We want workers here to work to live, not live to work," Mexican Congress Member Susana Prieto Terrazas, who introduced the proposal, told Noticias Telemundo this week. "A lot of people work 10 or 12 hours daily and on top of that they take up to four hours going to work and back home That's not life," she added. Prieto Terrazas dismissed concerns about the law's possible immediate application, saying companies have months to become familiar with the draft and make preparations before the congressional vote. The bill comes as other countries push to adopt a four-day workweek. "The vast majority of companies taking part in the world's largest trial of a four-day week have opted to continue with the new working pattern, in a result hailed as evidence that it could work across the UK economy," reported The Guardian in March of this year.
"Of the 61 companies that entered the six-month trial, 56 have extended the four-day week, including 18 who have made it permanent."
Where are all the lazy Mexicans? (Score:4, Funny)
Are they all at the border clamoring to work for below minimum wage?
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Replying to yourself, really? I know you're the same person that posted the GP post because nobody else knows what YouTube channel you're talking about. Or what you're ever talking about.
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They probably are not taking your job. It's a shame you don't care about the lower skilled workers.
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Doing work that needs to be done. Even Trump hires foreign workers. Even Trump imported his wife.
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That's no reason to underpay them. So many people talk about the merit of hard work but are only too ready to treat those who do work hard like animals
Re:Where are all the lazy Mexicans? (Score:4, Insightful)
Shut it down or declare bankruptcy. Hardworking illegals don't owe you a living, stop sponging off them and get yourself a job. Maybe learn to code
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at the risk of oversimplifying almost all of human history, it does seem it's been about exploiting underclasses, foreign & domestic, often to the point of death.
and it's a great irony that it took a near-extinction event for much of Europe - the Black Death - for that to begin to change in Western "civilization"
Mexico is becoming a manufacturing powerhouse (Score:5, Interesting)
I suspect what's going to happen here is that this will pass and be applied to Mexican citizens but that Mexico will welcome the refugees coming up from South America but look the other way when labor law isn't properly applied to them in the same way that America does to Mexican immigrants. This is overall still better and it's going to have serious political implications for America because the flow of refugees over the border is basically going to stop as Mexico absorbs them for their burgeoning industries.
The only thing I'm not sure is how much automation is going to affect that. Automation is getting so cheap but it's Superior to anything short of slave labor.
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Hahahaha. Something tells me you only consume far right news.
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As long as they keep them there.
We're about full here in the US.
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We're full of illegals.
And we're full of asylum seekers, we have about 2 million back log of cases waiting to be adjudicated...we need to take care of that before we stack more on top and have more of the people released into the general US where they are not tracked and we have no idea if they will even show up for their dates.
We need to take control of this situation.
With such a flood, we're not giving time for people to get here, learn the
We're really not (Score:1)
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You're not looking (Score:3)
It's something I looked into when I found I couldn't find all these cheap 900 sqft houses I kept getting told existed. What I found instead is a ton of old homes with additions built onto them around 1300-1700 sqft.
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With such a flood, we're not giving time for people to get here, learn the language and assimilate into the greater US culture...we are generating large pockets of people that are almost small countries unto themselves inside the US.
In the Italian-American neighborhood where I grew up, many of my friends had grandparents who immigrated from Italy. After many decades, they spoke broken English with a heavy accent. No one pointed fingers at them for failing to assimilate or learn the language. Of course, they were white and European.
Here in Silicon Valley, there are huge pockets of the type of cultural Balkanization that you mention, with these pockets speaking their own languages, eating their own foods, and socializing in their own
Re: Mexico is becoming a manufacturing powerhouse (Score:2)
It varies by region. Texas and Florida already have to ship these immigrants up to New York and Chicago. If you are saying that you have room for more up there, we'll then, let's roll some more busses.
and meanwhile in red state america (Score:1, Troll)
They are changing the child labour laws so that kids can work twenty-nine hours a day down at mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work
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Re: and meanwhile in red state america (Score:2)
Re: and meanwhile in red state america (Score:2)
ChatGPT has been busy today.
Re: and meanwhile in red state america (Score:2)
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But before doing that, I worked jobs in my neighborhood...baby sitting, lawn care, etc. We even had one business man in the neighborhood that had some type of fabricating company that he brought me and a friend to a few times to work at that age too.
Were the laws changed after I grew up where kids couldn't work at all or something?
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My god man. You could have said all of this in about 5 sentences.
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What's wrong with having the 16-year-olds work at McDonald's instead of the mines? I keep hearing the McJobs are "for" teenagers, and I also hear there are tons of open positions these days. I'm having a hard time believing there are teenagers out there worried about being at a "competitive disadvantage" looking for a job. What they're worried about is not finding a good job - the kind that requires education.
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How so? Do they not eat, use resources, need medical care, commit crimes, have crimes committed against them?
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How so? Do they not eat, use resources, need medical care, commit crimes, have crimes committed against them?
Yeah. They also work. They pay taxes; one of them did it with my SSN, which is how I know it to be true. And they are the class most likely to be targeted for wage theft, so often they aren't even getting paid what they're owed, let alone a fair living wage.
Seriously, do any amount of research on the subject before engaging. You have obviously done none.
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They also work? Show me your research where the vast majority of them hold jobs and pay taxes.
The fact that your personal proof involves a crime, it doesn't seem like you did any research.
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They eat, but not until they've picked enough tomatoes to feed your family and a couple of your neighbors.
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Racists assumptions are racist
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Had to put the kids to work in order to pay for the blue state clusterfuck of a strategy of...
So it's red red states rolling back child labor laws but it's because of blue state policy? Wow, ideologs really will say just about anything to support their nonsense.
Your "if you disagree with me you're stupid" comment made me laugh though so at least your post has that going for it.
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They are changing the child labour laws so that kids can work twenty-nine hours a day down at mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work
Of course they are. When you kick the immigrants out you find you have no one left to do the jobs you don't want to do. So you give them to people who can't complain.
Re: and meanwhile in red state america (Score:2)
There's something fundamentally Marie Antoinette about having laws on the books that prevent productive work from being done in exchange for money.
*Your* kids might be too good for hard work, but that should have no bearing on other people.
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I've always considered you a bit of a RightwingNutjob but the reason we don't put kids to work is because it is fundamentally *NOT* productive to do so as it stunts a whole world of future possibilities.
Send your kids to school. Work yourself. Leave the child labour to the 1830s. Just kidding that's when it started being abolished.
Lord of the Rings Reference (Score:4, Funny)
Jose: What about Siesta?
Raul: You've already had it.
Jose: We've had one, yes. What about second Siesta?
Raul: Don't think he knows about second Siesta, Amigo.
That's less? (Score:3)
When I read the title I though "What? You have to work 40 hours a week? That's unfair", thinking it was going up. I've never worked that long as a standard working week. It's always been between 37 and 38, though I'm in England.
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Well, countries like ours, where we can live well with 37-38 hours of work per week, can only get by because we rely on:
- countries with cheap labor and lax social laws
- countries with lax environmental regulations
- or even better, countries with a combination of both
Maybe you won't agree, but I believe this is a form of modern slavery, but in a way that we can justify intellectually so that is cognitively acceptable. And we can then forget about it while we go on with our daily hobbies.
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You're forgetting another big cost driver: pensions. Countries (like Russia) where the workers die around or shortly after retirement age will also have lower costs in that department, although you risk having the entire workforce mobilized and sent to serve as "reconnaissance by fire" patrols.
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Exactly. And 1st world countries are counting on immigration to fill in the blanks and keep the machine grinding, but forget that those immigrants have to come from somewhere. Every doctor that immigrates to Canada is one less doctor in his country's hospital.
Skilled, educated or simply motivated workers that immigrate are lost to their original country and that means that they will hold unto them even more. Either politically or financially.
In other words, as 3rd world countries look to develop and improve
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> Well, countries like ours, where we can live well with 37-38 hours of work per week, can only get by because we rely on [cheap labor, lax social laws, and/or lax environmental regulations]
How do you figure? The difference between 40 hours and 37-38 hours is only about 6%. Even if we assume a proportional drop in productivity (which likely underestimate the productivity of a 37-38 hour work week), that's maybe 2-3 years of average economic growth. That's hardly going to make the difference between needi
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It's also worth noting that standardizing on 8 hours per day dates back to the 1920s or earlier for many countries, with some industries doing it in the 1800s. This is well into the times when these countries had low wages, lax labor laws, and lax environmental laws.
One famous example is Henry Ford reducing work hours to 5 days, 40 hours a week in 1926. This actually *increased* productivity, and other automobile makers ended up following the example. Given the less than ideal treatment of workers and the e
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How do you figure? The difference between 40 hours and 37-38 hours is only about 6%.
They are going from 48 hours to 40 hours. The difference between 48 hours and 37-38 hours is basically one full workday.
Anyway, I was more referring to manual work (mining, manufacturing, etc...) where you don't get to be "more" productive because you work only 37 hours a week. Don't misunderstand me: I am working 35 hours a week myself, with good income. This is great, I get to enjoy life, spend time with my family, work as volunteer in associations... I am just a realist, and know that I can do that becau
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> > How do you figure? The difference between 40 hours and 37-38 hours is only about 6%.
> They are going from 48 hours to 40 hours. The difference between 48 hours and 37-38 hours is basically one full workday.
Ah, your mention of 37-38 hours made me think you were talking about England having that vs. 40 hours, but I understand now you were making an argument about going from 48 down to 37-38. That's indeed a much bigger step, although the caveat that this doesn't necessarily imply a proportional l
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Except that obviously isn't true. For decades a single income family was viable, and until the mid 60s our border was basically closed, beyond that we actively rounded up the illegals that were here and shipped them home!
The problem is globalism, and team america world police.
Stop illegal immigration, stop fighting foreign wars, stop foreign aide, rely on domestic energy production (regardless of carbon), implement export controls on domestic energy, hike import tariffs how ever much is required until ameri
Re: That's less? (Score:2)
35 hour week, 9 day fortnight here in Australia. Sorry, just had to say.
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Nice! That's the way to do it.
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WTF is "9 day two weeks"?
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I think it means they have 9 working days in a two-week period, instead of the 10 we would typically have in the U.S. So, takes every other Friday off, for example.
Re: That's less? (Score:2)
I imagine the situation is different because of siesta, as with Spain; on paper the working day appears longer, but people aren't necessarily working more hours.
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It's only 37.5 hours in the UK because half-hour lunch breaks are often unpaid...
Lunch breaks are usually unpaid in the US as well.
Jebus christ (Score:2)
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Most politicians measure "productivity" as the amount of work that can be done in a given time, with all time off and vacation time counting as wasted time with no value. So for them someone producing 10 units in a 60h week is more "productive" than someone producing only 9 in a 35h week.
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7 hour, 36 mninute work days are normal in Australia?