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Lenovo Announces ThinkPads Preloaded With XP

Posted by kdawson on Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:35 AM
from the give-'em-what-they-want dept.
BBCWatcher writes "Lenovo just announced new ThinkPad T61 models preloaded with Microsoft Windows XP. Ironically they're called ThinkPad T61 'TopSeller' models. Lenovo says they're aimed at small and medium-sized businesses. The XP TopSellers are available immediately, and the part numbers are 6465-03U, 7658-04U, and 7664-06U (PDF links). "Lenovo recommends Windows Vista Business"? Not so much."

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  • Dell too. (Score:5, Informative)

    by RandoX (828285) on Thursday December 06, @10:38AM (#21597559)
    When you pull up their laptop page, there are two links. "Customize with Windows XP" and "Customize with Windows Vista". Same price.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Easier than that: if you want an XP-loaded dell, just go here [dell.com].

      They're hardly pushing it (see quote below), but it's still very much an option.

      Windows Vista® is the latest Operating System release from Microsoft. Windows Vista® Home Premium1
  • This is news? (Score:5, Informative)

    by inphinity (681284) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <norrabgr>> on Thursday December 06, @10:39AM (#21597561) Homepage
    Maybe I'm missing something, but we've been buying T61's with XP for months now, without any difficulty at all.

    And we're not some large megacorp either -- we buy maybe 2-3 computers every 6 weeks.
    • Re:This is news? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Psychopath (18031) on Thursday December 06, @11:00AM (#21597893) Homepage
      I just bought one last week and had the choice of Vista or XP. I think the news is probably that they have now have canned SKUs for XP where maybe they didn't before? As in, you could always go on and customize a laptop to have anything you want, but companies buying in large quantities probably just use a canned SKU that has the bundle they want with everything, to save time. Just guessing, though.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Try a regular store (Score:5, Interesting)

      by BlueBat (748360) <.flake. .at. .frontiernet.net.> on Thursday December 06, @11:20AM (#21598181)
      Try looking for XP in a regular store. You will not be able to find it. I have asked about having XP placed on the computer instead of the crappy Vista and was told that it was impossible. If you want XP preloaded on a machine anymore, you need to go to a website based business it appears. By the way, it was Circuit City that told me it was Vista only. I told them no way, I would go with Linux long before I would go to Vista. They told me I could get a Mac in that case and I told them I wasn't made of money it was XP or no way. They said no way.
      [ Parent ]
  • Consumer demand..? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ricebowl (999467) on Thursday December 06, @10:46AM (#21597689)

    So the news is that a company selling computers is selling something that the consumer's been asking for? Who'd've thought it? While I'm glad that another company, following Dell and some others, has bucked the Microsoft line, I'm not sure that it's particularly astounding.

    On the other hand though, kudos to them for doing so. Now if only they'd lose the '$Company recommends Windows Vista $model' branding I'd be even more impressed. Why claim to recommend something that you fairly obviously don't? I'm aware that there are provisos from Microsoft for supplying lower-cost OEM software to these companies but, surely, at some point the marketing/PR departments are going to realise that trying to play on both sides of a particular game isn't going to look too good for them?

    Ah, me and my optimism...

  • Why Won't MS Do Dual Licensing? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by BigAssRat (724675) on Thursday December 06, @10:57AM (#21597835)
    I am surprised that MS doesn't allow you to purchase a Vista license that allows the use of XP if you would rather. I bet then they could really beef up their Vista sales numbers, even if only on paper. Who would be able to say that 75% of users purchased Vista but installed XP instead? Looks like they could "win" the numbers game.
  • This is the end I tell you! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Toreo asesino (951231) on Thursday December 06, @10:58AM (#21597859) Journal
    Haha! Microsoft will surely die now, what with all these companies choosing Windows XP instead of Vista!

    Wait a minute....
    • Re:This is the end I tell you! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Constantine XVI (880691) <trash.eightyNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 06, @11:08AM (#21598007)
      Actually, staying on XP does, indirectly, have a negative impact on MS. Since Vista went over so poorly, shareholders get irritated that all that money they spent on R&D isin't making much of a return, and thus don't want them to take a risk like this again. Vista must succeed for the shareholders to be happy.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:This is the end I tell you! (Score:4, Informative)

        by BUL2294 (1081735) on Thursday December 06, @01:27PM (#21600247)
        What impact? Microsoft's shareholders don't care what the company does as long as the dough keeps rolling in... And it's rolling in--but for XP and not Vista. Case in point, how much money has M$ made on Internet Explorer? NONE. IE has been a total loss! Nobody ever bought a Windows PC "just to have IE". (Remember that as recently as 2000, IE5 was available for Macs, UNIX, and even Windows 3.1x!) To add, IE has cost M$ hundreds of millions in legal fees and EU sanctions... By definition, the shareholders should be revolting--but they're not.

        M$ has many other products like SQL Server, Exchange, Windows Server, and Office that bring in the dough, even if Vista totally fails...
        [ Parent ]
  • And? (Score:4, Funny)

    by z0M6 (1103593) on Thursday December 06, @11:01AM (#21597899)
    At first I didn't really see the point. It is a laptop with windows XP. How was that news-worthy? Then I kind of remembered that vista is the new ME and it seems a lot of people think so too.
  • Vista to XP - upgrade or downgrade? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jkrise (535370) on Thursday December 06, @11:02AM (#21597915) Journal
    http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/VSTA-DWNGRD.html [ibm.com]

    The only downgrade from Vista to XP is the price.. .and hassles besides. Why does everyone insist XP is inferior compared to Vista? As far as the user eXPerience is concerned XP is way ahead of Vista, so it is an Upgrade.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Some people actually like the new flashy stuff. Some people at my work. These are more the "decision" types, who don't actually have to use their computer for anything important, don't really now much about them, but still feel that they have earned to rig
  • by felix9x (562120) on Thursday December 06, @11:14AM (#21598093) Homepage
    I been using a ThinkPad X60 with Vista Business for six month. Generally I had no major issues and like how Vista works. Here are a few notes though:

    1. By default the CPU is set to run at half the speed. My notebook came with a 1.8Ghz Core2 Duo, but by default the power settings are set to run it at 900Mhz. In fact thats the only speed the laptop does not get hot as hell. Even at the lower speed most desktop apps work fast enough.

    2. I did a few tweaks myself like disable shadow copy and windows defender. I decided to leave the indexer on since I actually like what it provides.

    3. With the most recent updates I think a few annoying things got fixed. The laptop comes out of sleep faster and copying seems to be faster.

    4. Wireless networking sometimes is flaky. I don't know if Vista is responsible or its due to the interference where I live or its the lenovo wireless utils that are sluggish.

    5. I really like the minor UI improvements in Vista like the new resource monitor. I don't see why it cant be back ported to XP.
  • How is this news? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Junior J. Junior III (192702) on Thursday December 06, @11:17AM (#21598135) Homepage
    You could always order a CTO Thinkpad T61 with Windows XP Professional preloaded. It cost a bit more than Vista Home Basic, but the same as Home Premium or Business.
  • But... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bazman (4849) on Thursday December 06, @11:21AM (#21598197) Journal
    Can I buy one with neither and how well does Ubuntu run on it?

    We just bought a Sony laptop with Vista and poor techie had to spend ages upgrading it to XP... Yes, I do mean upgrading... Seems Sony don't do XP graphics drivers for this model, you have to use Win 2k ones with a modified .inf file or something...

    • Re:But... (Score:5, Informative)

      by BCW2 (168187) on Thursday December 06, @11:36AM (#21598449) Journal
      Check out Emperor Linux, they have T60s and T61s preloaded with a custom kernel so everything works out of the box. Been around for a few years and have had very good reviews from Linux Journal and others.

      Try http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/lenovo/toucan/
      [ Parent ]
  • Posted from a T61 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by norbac (1113477) on Thursday December 06, @11:53AM (#21598739)
    I just received my brand new Lenovo T61 preloaded with Vista home basic. What a disaster... but not because of Vista, but instead because of all the pre-loaded junk. The taskbar had 7 icons in the notification area in addition to the ones from the OS, plus a useless battery power gauge that took up another big chunk of real estate (this side-by-side with the already existing Vista power gage, so I'm getting duplicate data). I actually took a screenshot [flickr.com] since I couldn't believe it. I did a quick registry check and counted 30 executables set to auto-start on login. On every log on I got nagging pop-ups about turning on some lenovo software. Launching IE brought up two tabs, one set to always load the lenovo page. It was a slow, annoying mess...

    I flattened the machine and installed a fresh copy of Vista Ultimate. With the all the cruft gone, things are now flying on the machine, and I'm quite happy with the OS. The difference is astounding.

    All these negative comments I kept hearing about Vista make sense now, but it's clear that at least some of the disenchanment is misdirected. Don't OEM's actually use the machines they send out?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Like any relationship, it takes more then a beautiful face to live with someone day in and day out.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        Think of it as a new, really hot girlfriend that doesn't speak your language. Or can't get it through her @#%$!)(@# head that the roll of toilet paper should be put with the paper coming out over the top!