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Comment: wrong (Score 2) 329

by geekoid (#46827851) Attached to: Skilled Manual Labor Critical To US STEM Dominance

"getting history or political science degrees?"
funny how the article says STEM, but when people need to find examples no one uses a STEM career as an example.

" I've said for years the real money lies in being a welder, plumber, or an electrician.
nope. facts do not bare that out at all.

average incomes:
welder - 32K
plumber - 26k
electrician - 39K
software - 71k
software engineer - 90k
electrical engineer - 83k
civil engineer - 78k
social scientist - 86k

Comment: Re:LOL ... (Score 1) 329

by geekoid (#46827791) Attached to: Skilled Manual Labor Critical To US STEM Dominance

Nope.
College is about an education, not 'job'. The only problem is people are under the delusion that any degree will pay 6 figures and then get an easy degree.
Afterwords they are shocked, Shocked I tell you, that someone who spent 4 year learning music means they get to be a barrista.

It's fine to get a music degree, just don't whine when you have no plan on applying it.

Having a liberally educated populace is good for everyone.
well, cost is an issue to, but I'm a democratic socialist, so I think education should be paid from society. The benefits of this for society is very high.
Or at least a series of colleges that are funded via tax system.

Comment: Re:Bullshit, and this is why: (Score 1) 329

by geekoid (#46827761) Attached to: Skilled Manual Labor Critical To US STEM Dominance

" Invest in trade schools and weed out the seat-fillers so you actually graduate capable people."
so people who don't adapt the they way high school works should just be cast out into the snow.

You're an evil SOB.

I had a really hard time in HS. Fortunately, unlike you, the school system isn't so lazy it just throws their hands in the air and threw me out.

Comment: Re:College is unsustainable longterm (Score 1) 329

by geekoid (#46827739) Attached to: Skilled Manual Labor Critical To US STEM Dominance

False.

Any student who walks out of high school in the USA can find an apprenticeship, and get paid and learn. We don't need it in the school system.

The openly problem is with people who seem to think a BS degree in a subject not in demand means they get to make a lot of money.

I don't know any STEM graduates that don't have work. When the media started whipping the 'college degree isn't worth anything' hysteria, every person that was out of work they interviewed would have something like 'liberal art and I studied american ghost stories and not I can't find a job!'*

"I would definitely jump onto the skills market again if I were coming out of High School and not all into STEM degree.
That's fine, but you wouldn't have made nearly the same money. Also, you can learn any of those trades now.

*actual quote.

Comment: protip (Score 1) 329

by geekoid (#46827605) Attached to: Skilled Manual Labor Critical To US STEM Dominance

anything taught in shop can be taught in 3 months, tops. Usually through an apprenticeship program.

Nothing is STEM can be.

STEM promotes critical thinking, and exploration. Trades do not.

High School Education is NOT about making money. It's about getting a wide education that you can apply.

Learning STEM helps with the trades. The trades do not help with STEM.

Comment: Re:Stupid? (Score 3, Interesting) 204

"They never leave the city (except to be sent to slaughter.) "
not always true.

"Their stalls are appalling."
That's a blatant lie.

" Often, they don't 'like' pulling, "
You have never worked around horse, have you?

"which is an appalling stable in this case."
again,l that's a blatant lie.

hmm, someone with the name VeganCyclist whose opinion is devoid of facts. I'm shocked.

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