10-year-old Microsoft Ticket Resurfaces? 257
Ian Lamont writes "Microsoft is apparently taking seriously a blogger's claim that a Microsoft tech support employee called back to check on a 10-year-old BSOD trouble ticket. The anonymous blogger suspects someone at Microsoft typed "1/8/08" into their tracking system for the date of a follow-up call, instead of "1/8/98." Microsoft told Computerworld support cases "are reviewed regularly so that we can ensure we're resolving customer issues in a timely fashion — regardless of the callback commitment set by the agent. Nonetheless, no system can ensure complete accuracy."" To be fair, this is all unverified, so choose to believe at your own risk.
heh, interesting disclaimer (Score:4, Funny)
This is slashdot. The article is critical of Microsoft. Of course they will believe.
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I believe I can touch the sky
A blue screen every night and day
call MS and yell away
I believe they will call
I see them calling 10 years down the road
I believe in MS
I believe in MS
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After ten years, has Microsoft fixed the bug yet?
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The article is critical of Microsoft. Of course they will believe.
Well, I think you're missing an important point that may swing the credibility of this story the other way.
The crux of the story is that Microsoft followed up on a problem ticket. And that strains the belief of almost any intelligent observer.
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Re:heh, interesting disclaimer (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, I was going for the lame anti-MS joke.
What saddens me is that the only moderation I've gotten up to this point is +1 Insightful.
/. moderation makes Baby Jeebus cry.
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What I want to know is whether the BSOD problem was ever fixed in those 10 years?
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As I recently found out when installing Vista 64. Nice brand new system, built myself, the problem was (and still is) that I've got 4gb of RAM on an nVIDIA chipset motherboard. Vista, from what I can tell, will not install at all with that configuration. Fortunately, I already installed Win2k and got it working properly, so could google it, and figured it out - the solution apparently is to take some of your memory out before installation, install, then go get microsoft's hotfix. Well, I took 2gb out, a
I don't believe it (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Microsoft must have no mechanism for tracking work order/help requests. Come on. Every manager has daily/weekly/monthly reports that show the number of requests opened/closed/carried over and it flags old requests, and it sorts by age, so the oldest issue shows up at the top of the list. A manager would have seen this.
2. When the help desk guy was assigned to make the followup call, he didn't notice and find it odd that the original call came in 10 years ago? He didn't call his supervisor over and say, "hey I think somebody made a mistake here! Maybe we should just close this out."
3. Somebody has the same phone number of 10 years.
Or we could go with theory B: a blogger made up a funny story.
Re:I don't believe it (Score:5, Insightful)
(3) I know some people that have had the same number for 10 years. Some for a lot longer than that.
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I got my current phone number in 1990. So that makes 18 years for me. It is actually the second number that I ever had with the phone company. Luckily, Vonage arrived on the scene before I moved out of the area, so I was able to preserve it as my home phone number for the 2 years that I was out of it's local area.
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-nB
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This comes up on
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My cell phone number though is only 9 years old. Got in 1999.
Home phone numbers though my grandmother has had the same number since her kids where growing up. so ~60 years?
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Makes my 9 years with the same mobile number seem paltry in comparison.
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of course, i've only been in my current job for about 7 months and my landline number is 6 years old, so o
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Slashdot's primary demographic is high school and college students. Ten years seems like forever to kids, and the college-age ones often do switch phone numbers frequently as they move from dorm to dorm and apartment to apartment over their college career.
Go to a site with a retiree-age demographic, and you'll find a bunch of people who are surprised at not having the same phone number for decades.
Why not? (Score:2)
Why WOULDN'T you want to keep the same phone number? I've always had the same cell number and hopefully always will. I've moved, but the area code is less and less relevant as more people have cell phones anyway.
I see no reason to change phone numbers or email addresses as long as they still work. Old friends can always reach me if they want to.
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That being said, you should add: 4. Their system for tracking tickets would have to not have changed in the past 10 years.
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Even with the system changing, they wouldn't have done anything that wouldn't have allowed them to use the same dataset. They can't just wipe all their tickets one day and start anew. Every thing would have to be brought over during the transition.
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Layne
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Just another blogger looking for page hits or his weekend buddy conversation "dude, I totally pwned the internet this week."
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Build a big and nasty enough ticketing system, and auto-closing tickets do fail.
And the list comes in one massive database, from which managers select only their own team to supervise. Only the curious and bored geeks look for interesting oddies like this.
The most common reason for cases staying indefinitely open is an agent quitting/getting fired, and him being removed from the list befor
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Where I live, we usually bring our phone numbers with us when moving
inside the same city.
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Heck, I think they still have the same "princess" phone they got when touch-tone was introduced in the late 70s.
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2 - you are giving way too much credit in abilities to help desk people. it's so bad nowdays that most are incredibly uncaring and skilled due to falling wages.
3 - I not only have the same phone # from 10 years ago, but it's a cellphone number! I also plan on keeping my voIP number for at least 25 years or until my provider dies or turns evil.
I know many people that have been bugged by incredibly old followup calls from tech service at a company. One friend was called on gear that we had removed and threw away for at least a year and a half... It was on a spontaneous reboot issue we reported 5 years ago.
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Better keep a wooden stake nearby, in case it does both.
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They called his parents. It's fairly realistic for someones parents to have the same number for over 10 years (mine have had theres for almost 30).
Though I do agree that for this to be written on an anonymous blog that has 3 entries the bullshit-o-meter reading is fairly high.
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Believe it or not, I've had the same email address for the last 12 years.
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You haven't talked to Microsoft tech support have you? If it's not on the script, it doesn't happen.
It's possible (Score:2)
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My mom's house (the house were I lived for about 14 years) still has the same phone number 68972 after almost 20 years. I do not thing it is that amazing to have the same telephone number for all that time (or maybe it is in the USA...)
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Let's think about all the things that would have to happen for this story to be true:
1. Microsoft must have no mechanism for tracking work order/help requests. Come on. Every manager has daily/weekly/monthly reports that show the number of requests opened/closed/carried over and it flags old requests, and it sorts by age, so the oldest issue shows up at the top of the list. A manager would have seen this.
Assuming that the date was put in wrong to begin with, it's possible that the system did not count the problem as it was in "the future".
2. When the help desk guy was assigned to make the followup call, he didn't notice and find it odd that the original call came in 10 years ago? He didn't call his supervisor over and say, "hey I think somebody made a mistake here! Maybe we should just close this out."
I'm assuming that the problem date was actually wrong for some reason, instead of the follow-up date.
3. Somebody has the same phone number of 10 years.
If you'd read the article, the reason he thinks it's 10 years old is because they called his parent's number and left a message there.
As for somebody having the same number for 10 years, my grandparents have had the same phone number for at least my entire life (I'm 31),
timestamps? (Score:3, Insightful)
Perfect support is often considered bad (Score:2)
I have some familiarity with software for call center reporting. The managerial reports tended to show aggregate data, absolute numbers and percentages or contacts, closed issues, open iss
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Assuming the manager gave a damn. Seriously, the turn over at hell desk is huge, managers come and go. Also assuming that the system has any data integrity at all, it could be spreadsheet b
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However, I call fake for other reasons.
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I have to suspect you are right about this. When I spent the hour jumping through hoops to get a trouble ticket opened for a Microsoft Money bug that caused MS Money to fail at showing correct values in accounts, a ticket was opened. The
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You're right, the tech would have looked at this and said, "WTF?" and then looked more closely, noticed the date, had a good laugh, and deleted it.
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I'm calling it. Who's with me?
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Woooha, slow down cheif.
Employers, not employees pay...
and, monkeys work for bananas, not peanuts.
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Clearly not their fault (Score:5, Funny)
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Whatever, I thought this was about this ticket: http://www.mugshots.org/misc/bill-gates.html [mugshots.org]
I call BS. (Score:5, Funny)
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This seems fishy (Score:4, Insightful)
In any case, I would hope that Microsoft actually verifies the claims before making a big deal of them.
Multiyear callbacks good in some contexts ... (Score:2)
There are always exceptions. You open a retirement account at age 25, the bank/broker's system schedules call backs every ten years to rebalance as your risk tolerance changes as you get closer to retirement age.
As a software developer I would consider the more common short term nature of tech support and the less likely long term nature of some other business relationships. The result would be
No way (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, really? (Score:2)
I guess everything is relative. Every time I had a support issue that required contact with a Microsoft developer it took days to even speak with one. And this was "enterprise" paid support, so I can only imagine what others must go through.
To their credit, once we were in contact with a developer they were usually helpful and always fast. But getting to the right pe
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The real questions are... (Score:2, Insightful)
2. Who cares?
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2. Taco, which is why it's on his blog that you are currently reading.
So? (Score:4, Informative)
Over 2-3 years later, someone finally closed the ticket.
These things happen.
data entry is fun (Score:3, Insightful)
sometimes you might make a typo.
Maybe it's valid? (Score:4, Funny)
Huh? (Score:2)
Only human (Score:3, Funny)
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That's amazing. I'm always astounded by the things people without names have been able to accomplish.
On the other hand, what's up with parents? If you're gonna have kids you've got to at least take responsibility for giving them names.
Obviously fake (Score:4, Funny)
From Geek Corollary #63, it follows that he's lying.
QED
Microsoft's reply (Score:4, Funny)
Hot damn! (Score:2)
Funny comment by "Bran" (Score:2)
"10 years is definitely a long time to have a case open."
Techsupport getting useless... (Score:2)
The usual formula that they expect from you doesn't suite me since by the time I contact tech support on something I've done at least two days of troubleshooting and I'm not interested in rebooting my machine - again.
Incidentally if anyone has an idea of how to further troubleshoot a GPIB-bus problem where a *OPC? q
GPIB EADR (Score:2)
1. Bad GPIB cable allowing for intermittent ATN signal
2. If slot based, reseat the NI GPIB card - especially if you have an older VME cage, clean your card contacts and clean your case to ensure no extra circuit paths from dust.
3. If NI-GPIB-USB based, ensure correct contact with the cable in to the USB port - it has no strain relief. Further, check to ensure
Trouble Ticket Systems (Score:3, Insightful)
What this reminds me of is a disturbing trend in bloggers that any traffic is good traffic and since they have little to loose they'll do just about anything. Gamecocks, Gizmodo and if we dig perhaps others recently, too. After all, when MS closes tickets they like to send an email (in fact one time I couldn't tell them I simply wanted to close a ticket, put no resolution and not receive an email but they were not allowed to just "drop it.) So why wouldn't the blogger get it as definitive proof of the event?
At the end of the day maybe it did happen... maybe it was data corruption... who knows but it smells fishy.
Why does it matter how long it takes? (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft does Tech support? Who knew? (Score:2)
To be fair, I have to admit that my Vista ultimate has crashed exactly once in the 4 months I've been saddled with it. Once more, and I'm picking up the call to schedule my tech support call - which will arrive after my retirement.
Right (Score:2)
This somehow reminds me (Score:2)
Basically someone put future dates in the billing system, making it believe we were in a future date, and resulting in ridiculous bills being sent out to every customer for a total of $7,500,000 in the short period of time the program run.
More info on the
Calling to close it after 10 years because... (Score:5, Funny)
Microsoft Tech: "Hello, I found a solution to your BSOD problem".
Customer: "What is the solution that it took you 10 years to find?".
Microsoft Tech: "Upgrade to Windows Vista. Have a nice day!".
Customer: "Fucker...".
Doubtful (Score:4, Interesting)
If this guy really did get a call, my guess is he got a wrong number when a tech was following up on somebody else's problem. Maybe his customer record got mistakenly linked to somebody else's ticket. Maybe he's making the whole story up.
Not unusual (Score:2)
Just recently I got a reply to a Freshmeat post I made in 1998. Old data can stick around for a long time!
This one time at band camp... (Score:2, Funny)
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Wow. That's some impressive overclocking there. Liquid Hydrogen I take it? /sorry, had to be an ass there.
Seriously, 2-3 crashes a day? That would be intolerable for me. Mine (Visual Studios, several games, office, web) Crashed maybe once a week or two in Windows 98 when I tried to see how long I could run it. Of course, after running for almost a week, it was very slow.
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> That's some impressive overclocking there.
Ha -- good one! 333 MEGA-Hz.
> Seriously, 2-3 crashes a day? That would be intolerable for me.
In retrospect, yeah it does sound intolerable. Somehow I just got used to it. To this day I hit ctrl-s, ctrl-s, ctrl-s frequently when I pause for thought.
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Re:Hey, they're early! (Score:4, Funny)
On 11/9/2001, Osama bin Laden provided us all with the only lesson we'll ever need to help us remember how Americans write the date. 'Remember, remember, the eleventh of September, 9/11 airliner plot...'
The London bombers of 2005 were considerate enough to time their attacks such that news agencies on both sides of the Atlantic could use the same date shorthand :-)
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They recommended he upgrade to Windows ME (Score:2)