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Sony Ericsson Shows Off Feature-Heavy Cell Phones 164

An anonymous reader writes "As if waiting until the end of the month for the iPhone wasn't bad enough, Sony Ericsson has announced a set of super phones due to come out later this year. The Sony Ericsson K850i features an impressive 5-megapixel camera with auto-focus and xenon flash, while the W960i comes with a whopping 8GB of on-board memory, stereo Bluetooth, 3G and Wi-Fi connectivity, and a 3.2-megapixel camera. These were among several other new devices Ericsson unveiled recently, in hopes feature-heavy offerings will put it firmly back on the camera and music phone map."
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Sony Ericsson Shows Off Feature-Heavy Cell Phones

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  • lame (Score:4, Funny)

    by DohnJoe ( 900898 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:29AM (#19529973)
    no touchscreen, less shiny then a iphone. lame...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by timmarhy ( 659436 )
      shiny is a fucked idea for a finish, as shiny finishes are the FIRST to get all scratched up
      • by DohnJoe ( 900898 )
        well, with saying 'more shiny' I just meant it has more 'attractive visual aspects', but that's such a long phrase...
        • "Shiny" We are all raccoons because we like shiny things!

          So you go and pay so many extra $$s to get your nice "shiny" cell phone with all of the "shiny" extra features, and you realize that you are going to replace it within two years. (Actually 2 years seems to be on the outside.)

          Why do you want to pay so much extra for a disposable camera and music player? That is what it really is. I see some great small MP3 players for really cheap and a real digital camera takes way better pictures and both of them
          • "I see some great small MP3 players for really cheap and a real digital camera takes way better pictures and both of them last a lot longer."

            I don't see why people need mp3 players in their phones but I've been actively searching for a cellphone that takes good photos, especially macro photos for clear full-page photos of documents. Why? Because I'm in real estate and it'd be nice to whip out a cameraphone and snap pictures of a contract or lease and have a copy on me and on the PC at all times. Never
    • Re:lame (Score:4, Interesting)

      by JanneM ( 7445 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:43AM (#19530045) Homepage
      no touchscreen

      Real keys, in other words, with tactile feedback. Much preferable.
      • You can't get much better than old HP calculators for tactile feel.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by zecg ( 521666 )
        If they were normal in size, I'd agree. But mobile phone keys are crying to be put to death for quite some time.
    • by Nullav ( 1053766 )
      Shiny is bad. Touchscreens aren't always a good thing. I don't want to have to look at the screen while dialing/texting. For that matter, I don't want to end up obsessively cleaning the thing to keep it shiny and to keep the screen clean after all of that dialing/texting.
      Besides, I want a phone that can handle a reasonable amount of accidental drops. If I want a fashion accessory, I'll get a new jacket or some sunglasses, not a new phone.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by FyRE666 ( 263011 )
      Actually Sony Ericsson make great phones. The OS is fast, looks good and is intuitive. Before my SE W850i I'd always used Nokias. My previous Nokia though, the N73 was absolutely attrocious - slow, crashed daily, confused menu system. I actually paid full price for the SE and dropped the N73 in the trash (literally) as it was so bad. There's no way I'll buy the locked-down iPhone, I'll be sticking with SE from now on unless they follow Nokia's path...
    • Re:lame (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Aphrika ( 756248 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @07:37AM (#19531245)
      Except you'll find that the W960i mentioned does come with a touchscreen...

      Knowing how good SE phones have become over the last few years, and the decent music playback abilities of the Walkman branded ones, there's every chance that this will become a iPhone killer in some markets, mostly here in Europe: not tied to one provider, full 3G capability, a decent camera (not tacked on as an afterthought), Symbian OS with thousands of apps available, and the Opera browser onboard. I know some people have mentioned that the battery life isn't mentioned, but my K800i will happily work for more than a week without a recharge.

      Not really much to complain about there really to be honest.

      Less shiny? Well, that'll be less fingerprints then...
    • no touchscreen, less shiny then a iphone. lame...


      The w960i actually does come with a touch screen, way to read the article!
    • did you actually read TFA??? i doubt it...now read

      Other features include stereo Bluetooth so that you can listen to your music wirelessly and a 66mm (2.6-inch) touchscreen. Alongside the K850i, this handset also supports the Microsoft Exchange Server, meaning you can access your work emails on the go.

      enjoy your time watching web pages
  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:30AM (#19529979)
    you guessed it - they are super shy about THAT detail
    • damn straight, I got a Sony-Erricson phone last year (k750i) with the promise that the battery would last 10 days... but guess what, with taking calls, listening to mp3's and taking 2 megapixel pictures the battery only lasts a week! Super Lame I developed my own secret work-around for this lameness though, I bought a second battery so when the end of my 7 days of battery happiness sneaks up on me I can get an instant fix of that warm glow that comes with having a fully-charged battery.
      • yeah right i get 4 days out of a bare bones phone. these new ones will be lucky to last a day of real use
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Kumiorava ( 95318 )
          It's not so much about how many features there are but the quality and design of the radio chip. Most of the power goes to constantly poll and communicate with the base station, unless you really call a lot each day. Sony Ericsson has been traditionally best in battery life, Japanese and Korean manufacturers have been worst, especially bad battery life is on Samsungs.
    • by CdBee ( 742846 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @04:14AM (#19530455)
      well if we take my SE W810i as representative, the battery life will probably be superb. Steve Jobs once said Sony was a company Apple shoould try to be more like. It's a shame he stopped listening to his own common sense as SE's phones are lovely, and the combination of a fast operating system and easy to use keyboard & pointer/clicker makes it simple to do many tasks without looking at the screen at all - which is something of which the iPhone will never be capable
      • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @05:07AM (#19530639) Journal
        Not only that, but a working Bluetooth stack. The horrendously broken implementation of the File Transfer protocol on my Nokia phone makes me miss my old SE one. ObEx works, but it's push-only and the default file manager needed replacing for it to be useable.

        I moved from an Ericsson t68 to a Sony Ericsson t610, and found the UI went backwards slightly. Previously, all menu items were numbered, so you could skip to the one you wanted by pressing the keypad button. With the t610, this shortcut still worked, but they weren't numbered, so you had to count the options, making it only marginally faster than using the little joystick.

      • the combination of a fast operating system and easy to use keyboard

        It's worth repeating this point. The OS is not only fast and easy to use, it also looks gorgeous. Sony took the lessons from OS X to heart very quickly and have made all their phones beautiful with the sorts of slick animation and semi-transparency you'd expect from an Apple product.

        The iPhone looks interesting and I'd like to play with one, but I pretty much already decided that my next phone would be the next generation of SE Walkman p

    • My Canon SD630's rechargeable battery seems to last a fairly long time and it has to power a 3" LCD screen and the mechanical movement of the 3x zoom lens. Is a "feature-laden" cell phone much more demanding than that?
  • ..but how usable are they?
    • by Conception ( 212279 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:46AM (#19530057)
      From my limited experience with them... the sony phones are the only ones who's music player actually is intuitive and works like a music player, rather than just some app they stuck on a phone. On that particular issue, I'd say they are standing on pretty good ground.
      • by suv4x4 ( 956391 )
        From my limited experience with them... the sony phones are the only ones who's music player actually is intuitive and works like a music player, rather than just some app they stuck on a phone. On that particular issue, I'd say they are standing on pretty good ground.

        Yup, I've tried plenty of phones, and Sony Ericsson always delivers a great product. These new phones look amazing. Their cameras have also being surprisingly good in the past. Nokia N92 had a 2MP camera justl ike the K750i, but K750i delivere
        • iPhone isn't even out, and they've already found the "iPhone killer".

          Maybe they meant it in the same way as 'iPod killer'..? :-)

      • Try any of Nokia's music phones...The N73 Music Edition is merely a 2GB Mini Card and a black paint job but the 5300 and the 5700 MusicXpress series are fantastic. The 5300 music playing experience beats the SE hands down, at least compared to my old SE W810. My current music phone pick is a Motorola ROKR E2. 1.3MP Camera, great reception (close to SE and Nokia in that aspect), stereo bluetooth, standard SD Card memory cards, and runs Linux so it's fairly tweakable (2.4.20 if anyone asks), durable, QVGA Scr
        • Try any of Nokia's music phones
          The music player on my N70 has the buttons the wrong way around. Up is forward, down is backwards, left is volume up and right is volume down.

          Whenever I use a Nokia phone, I get the impression that their UI guys write specs in Finnish and pass them off to programmers who don't speak Finnish, and so just look at the pictures and guess.

          • by weicco ( 645927 )

            From my experiences with other Nokia's deparments that could be really close the truth :) One team, which I was supposed to lead, was totally moved to some foreign country where people doesn't even speak english. It's been 3-4 years now and I'm not sure if they have made any real development so far.

    • by takev ( 214836 )
      I don't know much about the music player, but the camera in a sony-ericson K750i is very user friendly as well.
      You open the lens cover and the user interface jumps into camera mode. Turn the phone into the horizontal position and the shutter button is on top like on normal cameras (it even blinks a few times after you open the cover) slightly depressing it will start the auto focus (which holds after it locks, so you can position the camera to an other place without refocusing) full depress takes a picture.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:40AM (#19530027)
    Do they actually WORK as a phone?

    Fuck the features. Does it get good reception and decent range? Can it survive being dropped, mishandled, weather etc? Does it actually last for more than 18 months? Can I hear you properly....?

    Mobiles these days jut have too much crap and not enough just plain phone.
    • by IamTheRealMike ( 537420 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @06:12AM (#19530871)

      Fuck the features. Does it get good reception and decent range? Can it survive being dropped, mishandled, weather etc? Does it actually last for more than 18 months? Can I hear you properly....?

      Why? I like features! But OK, here are your answers. Yes it gets decent reception and range, at least, I've never had any problems with that when my friends didn't. Can it survive being dropped/mishandled/weather etc. Well I took my W800i through the Mexican jungle, have dropped it more times than I care to think and I've had it for about two years now yet it all still works. The only part I've had to replace is the external mini-jack adapter which doesn't seem to be too robust ... if you let the cable catch on things eventually the wires inside will work loose and you'll have to buy another. The phone itself is pretty robust though.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by snero3 ( 610114 )

      In every review of a new "smart phone" posted on /. there is always one person that gets modded up for

      Mobiles these days jut have too much crap and not enough just plain phone.

      If want a plain phone then go out and get one. Stop whining about the smart phones. Here check out Motorola [motorola.com] or Nokia [nokiausa.com] it wasn't that hard to find plain phones

    • by linhux ( 104645 )
      Funny that, because my mobile phones has consistently increased their sound quality, battery life and durability as I've upgraded them. Still, they have also gotten neat new features such as camera, MP3 player, Bluetooth, et cetera. I have switched to a new phone model about every two years or so (because I've wanted new features, or because I've lost them somewhere, not because they have stopped working), since 1997.

      I'd say that most people like you (there are always a bunch of them on every mobile phone s
  • Convergence = good (Score:4, Insightful)

    by JanneM ( 7445 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:40AM (#19530029) Homepage
    There's lots of possible devices out there, with lots of functionality. Some functionality is very important to me, while other is nice to have but not really important. And the lack of "pocket real estate" - the amount of devices I am able and willing to carry - is a very powerful limiting factor.

    So, important functionality - for me, camera and electronic dictionary - are important enough for me to warrant their own devices. I am willing to sacrifice precious space in order to get the best possible function in these areas. It means carrying a DSLR in a small pack, and having a separate Casio dictionary.

    Other functions are nice and I would not want to be without them, but they're not so important that I want to give up precious space for it. For me it includes things like a sound player and radio (covered by my mobile phone), GPS (I have one that I never bring along), text reader (dictionary), web surfing (phone). These functions need to be built in another device or I end up not using them (but still missing them if I lack it).

    Of course, what constitutes essential and what is optional differs from person to person. You listen to music all the time, and just take the occasional snapshot? Get a iPod or other real player and just use the phonecam instead of getting a "real" camera that ends up gathering dust at home. Fortunately, many of these functions are low-cost addons to existing devices, and doesn't hurt a user that wants to be without. Besides, there's low-end phones and other stuff out there for those that absolutely do not want to be saddled with it. Notably, for all that people complain about all those extras, basic models just never sell well when a manufacturer actually tries to listen to the complaints.

  • What century do you live in ?
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by paleo2002 ( 1079697 )

      Because "portable wireless communication and data retrieval device" takes way too long to say.

      "Cell phone" was what they were called first and the name just stuck. When you "dial" someone's number, you may not use an actual rotary dial, but you certainly use the word. I'm "typing" this response, but it doesn't mean I'm lining up little wooden blocks with letters carved in to them. Language rarely evolves as quickly as technology.

  • Double standard (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @02:43AM (#19530047)
    Note that 8GB is "whopping" for an Erricson, yet many people complain 8GB is "paltry" for the iPhone, and a reason to skip buying one...
    • not that "whopping" in reference to erricson is a comment made by marketing while "paltry" is a comment made about iphone by the internet "nothing is ever good enough" crowd. I would imaging apple's marketing crew has made synonymous claims about the iphone. I also the the iphone seems to get more billing as a fun device and an ipod plus a phone makes people think they need more memory, I know I would want more than that in a mp3 player. erricsons device seems more towards the power professional at a quick
      • From the article:

        his is the closest thing to an iPhone killer we've seen so far. The W960i not only comes with a whopping 8GB of on-board memory, it also features Wi-Fi and 3G connectivity, and a 3.2-megapixel camera with auto-focus.

        Other features include stereo Bluetooth so that you can listen to your music wirelessly and a 66mm (2.6-inch) touchscreen.


        Although it does support exchange, seems a lot more targeted at "Fun" users than at business people, most of whole will be using Blackberrys anyway. And the
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by puto ( 533470 ) *
          Well,

          "closest thing to an ipod killer" cracks me up.

          I would call the 3.2 megapixel camera,(iphone does not have) 3G(iphone does not have). All killing the iphone right there. Should not have been released without 3g, but hey second generation you can give apple another 700 bucks for technology that every other phone has now.

          Puto
          • I would call the 3.2 megapixel camera. ,(iphone does not have)

            Right, because the extreme quality of Cell-phone cameras is the major distinguishing feature that people choose a cell phone on.

            Did you mean they don't have a camera at all? The iPhone does come with a 2.2 MP camera, equally as last resort in my mind, and we don't even know what the quality is like from either as results can differe drastically.

            3G(iphone does not have).

            Translation: Somewhat faster mobile internet, but much shorter battery life
            • by puto ( 533470 ) *
              I do 500-700k with my 3g currently. As opposed to edge at 40k. So a little more than somewhat faster.

              I do not use it all the time. But it i there when I need it. And it was not at a 500 dollar premium.

              I like apple, and honestly, I think they will sell a shit ton of phones. Just for the wrong reasons.

              Puto
              • I do 500-700k with my 3g currently. As opposed to edge at 40k. So a little more than somewhat faster.

                And I do WiFi faster still, which I am nearby 80-90% of my average day.

                And I live in Denver, where when I am not around WiFi I would get 0k with 3G.

                And I don't see that I will really have a problem with having some network in most places, instead of a kind of fast network in a few, and have better battery life to boot.
        • by amper ( 33785 ) *
          business people, most of whole will be using Blackberrys anyway (sic)

          Wow, you really don't know a whole lot of "business people", do you?
          • by hab136 ( 30884 )

            business people, most of whole will be using Blackberrys anyway (sic)

            Wow, you really don't know a whole lot of "business people", do you?

            I'm not sure what you're trying to say here - are you saying Blackberries are unpopular? They're ridiculously common in the financial industry (I work in IT at a large, large bank).

            I plan to buy an iPhone on the 29th, because they're cool and I have a spare $500, and don't current have/need/want a Blackberry. But most business smartphone users I've seen have Blackberries

          • Wow, you really don't know a whole lot of "business people", do you?

            Actually yes, it's just that I don't particularly care about careful editing on Slashdot.

            You were able to read it, so what's your issue? Superanal grammar and spelling nazis have ever been the vocal minority.
    • by MrWorf ( 216691 )

      Note that 8GB is "whopping" for an Erricson, yet many people complain 8GB is "paltry" for the iPhone, and a reason to skip buying one...

      Ofcourse... And do you know why?

      Apple i-Products: mainly music devices
      Sony Ericsson: mainly cellphones

      So sticking 8GB on iPhone is paltry compared to the 80GB iPod but sticking 8GB (internally, mind you!) on a cellphone is amazing compared to 40MB standard internal storage which you usually get (that's why most cellphones comes with some kind of memory expansion slot).

      • by amper ( 33785 ) *
        So sticking 8GB on iPhone is paltry compared to the 80GB iPod

        No, the better comparison is that the iPhone (and the new Sony Ericsson) has exactly the same amount of memory as top end iPod nano, which doesn't play movies. Flash memory SSD's are a lot more expensive than regular HDD's. Eventually 2.5" and 1.8" SSD's will take over for mobile devices (love to have that new SanDisk in my MacBook and iPod), but we're a few years from that.
    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )
      You're fabricating a double standard where it doesn't exist. Even if "many people" make that complaint, not one of them would agree that the same amount would be enough for this device.
    • by jZnat ( 793348 ) *
      Because iPhone == new iPod, that's why. Unless Apple wasn't trying to market this as a smartphone/iPod combo, this complaint will continue to exist.
  • Nokia N95 (Score:5, Informative)

    by rishistar ( 662278 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @03:17AM (#19530203) Homepage
    In terms of whats out there now the Nokia N95 has raised the bar coniderably for feature heavy handsets (though the iPhone has forced things along too, at least in the personal world). Playing leapfrog/catchup with this is a must do for all handset manafacturers wanting a share of the upper end of the market. In addition it is incredibly usable as a phone (though the focus on the camera is a bit iffy).
    • by aCC ( 10513 ) *
      You're right that the Nokia N95 has nearly all things that one would want.

      I have to say though that it misses three things which would make it the perfect phone:

      1. No integrated qwerty-keyboard. After having had a keyboard on my phone (Treo) there's no way I will ever buy a phone without one. Writing sms/email without it is so painful. Even a small keyboard like on the Treo is quite usable.

      2. Crappy QVGA resolution. Why oh why don't they upgrade the resolution of the screens? VGA is possible these days and
      • So, get an E90. Same hardware platform as the N95, with a qwerty keyboard and an 800x352 pixel screen. Some people claim the E90 can take SDHC cards, so you can get 4Gb now, and more later.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by slashflood ( 697891 )
      You obviously never had one of the N95s in your hand. It feels like it would fall apart in a couple of weeks of normal use. The GPS "fix time" is about five minutes, so you have to stand still and hold the phone in your hand until it has the initial GPS fix - about once a day. With activated GPS, the battery life time is about two or three hours. I'd rather have an external bluetooth GPS receiver that comes with its own battery.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        You obviously never had on in your hands. The GPS fix time is less than 10 seconds with my N95. Haven't used the GPS for hours in a row so I can't say how much it really drains battery. N95 supports microSDHC and SanDisk has already rolled out 4gb cards so that's nicey nice too :)
  • I noticed the following things:

    - No cover on the camera lens. Looking at how beat up the cover is on my K750i, it's needed.
    - Where's the joystick, is it supposed to be that thing around the 2 and 5 keys?...
    - Where did they steal those pickup and hangup keys from? They sure don't look like they belong to this phone.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by ocp ( 598857 )
      There is a cover on the camera lens which is opened and closed automatically as needed.
  • 5MP ? (Score:3, Funny)

    by 15Bit ( 940730 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @03:32AM (#19530275)
    Boy do i feel stupid buying one of those big heavy SLR things with the expensive lenses...
    • Boy do i feel stupid buying one of those big heavy SLR things with the expensive lenses...

      Modded funny, but this is more insightful than most people think because no matter the MP
      rating on a camera the receptor is the main part. How fast, how receptive it is to color
      and such. (may have the wrong word here, but photo-receptor comes to mind)

      The MPxl rating is *supposed* to tell you how good it is, but a good film camera can be
      subject to the film quality/speed.

      I got an education (and warnings) against some c

  • Can't wait to get one of those [gizmodo.com].
  • by AaronLawrence ( 600990 ) * on Saturday June 16, 2007 @04:02AM (#19530401)
    The SE K800 already had the xenon flash (which is the biggest improvement to the camera, letting you take actually useful photos in darkness) and 3MP. Going to 5MP probably achieves nothing as the sensor is so small.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      xenon flash (which is the biggest improvement to the camera, letting you take actually useful photos in darkness)

      "Useful" in the mugshot or coroner's report sense of the word. Yeah, you can see the detail of your girlfriend's face in the photo you took at the party, but she looks like a bloodless corpse in a rictus of horror.

      A built-in flash is OK for taking "useful" photos of stuff, but not good photos.
  • LOOK OUT! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by checkup21 ( 717875 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @04:28AM (#19530511)
    I have a K750i since nearly 2 years now and use the device to sync it to my calendar. It is only capable of syncing up to 300 entries! Allthough the device has ~100MB of memory. My question to sony was answered that all their phones (except the business line) can handle only up to 300 calendar entries-> totaly useless for me now.

    • Either they just use lousy programmers with fixed arrays or
      again they use some stupid ass business manager to decide the numbers.

      Btw, do windows mobile devices handle infinite entries since its MS coded.
      • I think they like fixed size arrays. My t610 had 1.5MB of flash. It had such a tiny camera that there was no point using it for photos, and so the only thing the flash was really used for was SMS messages and address book entries. In spite of this, it limited you to using about 10KB of it for SMS, a limit that was pretty easy to hit even for someone who used SMS as infrequently as I do.
  • by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @05:13AM (#19530673)
    is all the DRM that these phones are going to have.
  • Who cares what features it has? There is no way Sony has enough weight with the phone companies that any of these features will get through without being crippled. The bluetooth? My current phone has bluetooth. It will only connect to bluetooth headsets so that you still have to use the carrier's service to move data. WiFi? I would be shocked if this was left intact or not restricted in some way. Camera? 50/50 odds that you will still have to pay the carrier for every picture you transfer off of the
    • by puto ( 533470 ) *
      Lets see.

      My cingular Rzr lets me blue tooth stuff on an off the phone. But I usually use motorola phone tools.

      My cingular sx66 has wifi, and lets me blue tooth stuff off the phone.

      And as someone who used to work there, can't recall all that many phones that were locked out, if any at all.

      Verizon is the company that changes the phones to lock the features.

      And my new blackjack, lets me do all of the above to.

      Puto
    • by jZnat ( 793348 ) *
      Not all US carriers are like Verizon, thankfully. Using either T-Mobile or Cingular/ATT (at least), you can probably use this phone with your existing SIM card. This is provided, of course, you buy it full price and not subsidised from a carrier.
  • by Xest ( 935314 ) * on Saturday June 16, 2007 @06:44AM (#19531037)
    The Nokia N95 has built in GPS, 5 megapixel camera, capable of recording near DVD quality video at 30 FPS, full support for 3rd party applications (such as Doom, multiplayer capable via Bluetooth) and so on.

    The only thing these phones don't have is touch screen, but I'd question whether it's really that great to have, afaik they haven't go round the problem of greasy finger-prints making you need to clean screen every 5 seconds problem with them yet.

    The reality is, compared to offerings like this and like Nokia's offerings the iPhone looks really dated, 2 megapixel camera? no GPS? no 3rd party apps?, what's more the iPhone is actually even heavier than the N95! The iPhone is essentially, to us Europeans/Asians at least the kind of thing we'd have expected at the low end of the market around 3 - 4 years ago, as an example I used to have a Nokia 7650 around 5 years ago, other than the things that improve with age, such as screen quality, megapixels on camera, memory this phone actually still did more than the iPhone can out the box, it could also still run Doom at full speed such that it was perfectly playable.

    So again, I ask where does the iPhone actually fit in? It's a low end phone with a high end price, the only people over here I can imagine buying it are those that want a phone that interacts well with their Apple hardware, which isn't exactly the biggest target demographic to aim for! Still, I guess I shouldn't speak too soon, the iPod was extremely feature-crippled compared to other portable audio players yet I still fell into the trap of buying one so maybe the Apple hype machine will pull the wool over our eyes once more ;)
    • Remember the US is a good 5 years behind in phone development, so instead of 'low end 3-4 years ago' think 'high end 5 years ago' and you have the iphone.. which (surprise!) is only being released in the US.

      As for sony I remember the P800 from around that time. It was an excellent phone.. good battery life (longest I've ever had), reasonable camera, it had even Opera as its web browser! Its let downs were it was a touch screen (not durable enough - both of mine broke because the touch screen cracked rend
    • The reality is, compared to offerings like this and like Nokia's offerings the iPhone looks really dated ... The iPhone is essentially, to us Europeans/Asians at least the kind of thing we'd have expected at the low end of the market around 3 - 4 years ago...

      You answered your own question. The American phone market is stunted.

      What potentially saves the iPhone is that there's a tough trade-off between features and usability, which Apple does work hard to get right and which few others do (in particular Nokia, who used to be OK at it but somehow lost the thread). This is a big reason why iPods sell well and more featureful MP3 players, frankly, suck. Apple might get it right with their phone, and maybe it will be rev 3 that finally is of value to people in mo

  • by caluml ( 551744 ) <slashdot@s p a m ... e r e.calum.org> on Saturday June 16, 2007 @07:06AM (#19531111) Homepage
    I don't want another Ericcson since Sony bought them. Had a P800, and a P910i (and maybe a P900?), but I'm a Nokia man all the way now. N80ie for me, and N95 from work. Good stuff. This page [calum.org] shows where I am via GPS, falling back to cell triangulation if I'm not running the app. Quite nifty.

    • I don't want another Ericcson since Sony bought them. Had a P800, and a P910i (and maybe a P900?), but I'm a Nokia man all the way now. N80ie for me, and N95 from work. Good stuff.


      All my life I have had only Nokia & Sony Ericcson phones.
      I like the Nokia's better, but Nokia's Customer Service sucks.
      Sony Ericcson's Customer Service on the other hand is amazing.

      Couple of years back, sitting in the USA, I had purchased a
      Sony Ericcson of some website (Made in Thailand, Made for
      France). I needed a Tri-Band GS
      • by caluml ( 551744 )
        Luckily I've never needed Nokia's customer service. But then again, is it a good thing to judge a company on how well the department that handles things going wrong works? Perhaps Ericsson have lots more practice? :)
  • But does it have the most important feature for me, which is a permanently unlocked version that can be used with any phone provider, without sticking me on some plan (I just want month to month, even pre-paid).

    And of course it needs to be durable (drop it from head height every day w/o damage, except for scuffing on the case), last for at least 3 years, and have a reasonable charge time.

  • I'm getting increasingly concerned about ads disguised as stories here.

    Seriously guys, cellphones? Yeah, they're cute, with "big" cameras, WiFi and oodles of memory. You'll have this available in less than 6 months from other vendors and in a couple of years as entry level devices for $50. I mean, i can understand the geek factor of the iPhone, but this is yet another cell. Feature packed, but so what?
  • I have the k790 myself, but I have a friend with the w800i, the "walkman" that came with the 4GB memory card free. At 1.5 GB of music it was already fairly useless. I know she was going about actually filling it to 4GB I wanted to ask her how it was. The more music she put on it the slower it became. Switching a song (manually) literally took 30 seconds and froze the phone at that point.
  • of why the iPhone has every other manufacturer of cell phones shitting their pants right now. Every time news of a new cell phone comes out, the discussion inevitably turns to the iPhone almost immediately. Every time another cell phone manufacturer starts spending money on a new ad campaign, they will be inadvertently providing Apple with free advertising.
  • ...is that the only one of the big four carriers in the US who offers Sony Ericsson phones is AT&T, who just conicidentally just happens to be the exclusive carrier of the competing product that's the *eighth* word in TFA. The iPhone.

    They couldn't even get out of the first line without comparing the new Sony Ericsson model to the iPhone. How many potential customers are going to go to an AT&T Wireless store for a Sony Ericsson, and come out with an iPhone?
  • by Qwavel ( 733416 ) on Saturday June 16, 2007 @11:10AM (#19532555)

    I'm guessing that because it is SE they don't use the commmon types of memory cards (SD, uSD) but use the Sony type. This is negative points, but what about a standard 3.5" stereo jack? And how about a standard mini-USB port which can be used to charge the unit, and which support USB 'mass storage' (or whatever it is called).

    I find it a bit bizarre that Nokia used to be terrible on this count, but has now become much better. HTC on the other hand, has gone in the opposite direction.
  • The questions to really ask are:

    Is the hardware compatible with anything else?

    And does the software not suck?

    Besides either of those I am sure the hardware is might flashy like the PSP or the PS3, but the lame software does not justify the added cost of the hardware. As for compatibility, the Clie was a really nice PDA, except for the compatibility - being a Palm OS device it did not have first-party Mac drivers.

    The iPhone may be expensive and cool looking but the thing I think that is selling it more is t
  • I got myself a P990i a few months ago - it is a big, chunky thing with amazing capabilities. Qwerty keyboard, touch screen, handwriting capability, camera, word processor, Bluetooth etc etc; they've even squeezed a phone in there. Amazing stuff; but it is heavy, it drains its battery quickly when you use it, and it is incredibly awkward to use - something about the way things are laid out in menus. The system (Symbian) is full of bugs - it regularly reboots itself in the middle of things. The Bluetooth seem
  • Or does it use a segmented architecture like 32-bit 80x86 CPUs to access more than 4 GB of memory?

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