What's Hidden Under Greenland's Ice?

Roland Piquepaille writes "Ice has covered Greenland for millions of years. So what's hidden under this ice cap? Mountains and valleys? Rivers and lakes? Of course, we might know it sooner than we would have liked if the ice covering Greenland continues to melt. But researchers from Ohio State University have decided that they wanted to know it next year and have developed a radar to reveal views of land beneath polar ice. Their first tests of this new radar, which helps them to catch 3-D images of the ground under the ice, took place in May 2006. The next images will be shot in April 2007. Here are some images of the new GISMO device and what it can do."

Aliens!

[LiquidCoooled]

Lots of nasty body popping evil dog maiming spider infesting damned aliens.

Would you close the damned door so they don't get in.

Maybe....

[EmbeddedJanitor]

We should leave the aliens alone. Finding out what's in Greenland is surely far more important than pissing money into space to find out what's under Jupiter's/Mars's/etc surface.

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[edwardpickman]

Would you close the damned door so they don't get in.

That should work, worked for M. Night.

Just a guess..

[shaneh0]

Just a Guess.. but maybe there is.. uh... green land under Greenlands ice caps?

Is that too easy?

Re:Just a guess..

[jc42]

Just a Guess.. but maybe there is.. uh... green land under Greenlands ice caps?

Heh. Actually, we've known for a few decades that most of the interior is below sea level. Greenland is a big, backwards "C", with a ring of mountains around the edges and lower land inside. But when the ice melts, the land will slowly start rising, as has happened in Scandinavia, and there might be some dry land there in a couple thousand years.

And you should look up the history of the name "Greenland". It's a good example of what can be done with a dishonest marketing campaign. The Vikings that fell for it and settled there ended up all dying some time later, leaving behind only a few interesting archaeological sites. The smarter ones settled further south, despite the name "Iceland", so their descendants are still alive today.

This study will be interesting because it will give us details of the terrain under the ice. What we have now is the general contours showing that Greenland is a large bowl.

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[Anonymous Coward]

We know that Greenland was actually "greener" when the Vikings settled it. The climate was warmer overall across the globe. It was not until the little ice age that Greenland became more like we tend to think of it and that settlement you speak of was lost.

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[Bastard of Subhumani]

It was never particularly green. The name was dreamed up by an early form of marketroid pushing a real estate scam.

Totally required

[andy314159pi]

Jimmy Hoffa.

I thought everyone knew..

[frieza79]

Lambeau Field

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[Amazing Quantum Man]

No, that isn't it. Lambeau isn't buried under ice -- it just seems that way. It's really just a "Frozen Tundra".

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[Amazing Quantum Man]

Wikipedia documentation [wikipedia.org] of the frozen tundra bit.

Underneath sovereign territory

[Anonymous Coward]

If it's oil, Greenland better brace for the invasion.

Re:Underneath sovereign territory

[rbanffy]

It's a well known fact Greenland is not only harboring terrorists under the ice cap, but also developing nuclear weapons and other means of mass-destructions. They are also suspect of being major factors in the climate change.

They must be invaded so the threat can be neutralized.

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[Propaganda13]

As an American, I know that is totally not true, but Greenland has been giving me some dirty looks lately so just to be on the safe side we should invade it.

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[ElephanTS]

No, the only reason to invade and kill hundreds of thousands of people is to spread freedom and democracy. There is no better cause.

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[slughead]

Underneath sovereign territory ... If it's oil, Greenland better brace for the invasion.

Currently modded "insightful"

Does that mean that insightful is the label we give to 'lame jokes' now?

Well.. not interesting, not underrated, and not funny, I guess there's not much left.

In other news: Greenland ice cap beer launched

[gnalle]

People taste Greenland beer in Copenhagen. The new beer is said to taste cleaner and smoother. A brewery in Greenland is producing beer using water melted from the ice cap of the vast Arctic island. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5234194.stm [bbc.co.uk]

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[Carewolf]

Of course. This possibility is already discussed, and Greenland wants to declare independence if they find oil and keep the profits for themselves. Denmark having sponsored Greenland, and kept the country out of deep poverty for a century, wants to keep Greenland as part of the danish common wealth and take a small share of possible the oil profit.

Besides Greenland makes it possible to do some more interesting foreign politics (see Hans Island).

Nice. Now if only...

[MacDork]

Now if only the ice were getting thinner in Greenland, we'd have something to worry about. Unfortunately for you global warming scaremongers, that isn't the case. It seems the ice has been getting thicker in Greenland [sciencemag.org] over the past decade or so.

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[omicronish]

Now if only the ice were getting thinner in Greenland, we'd have something to worry about. Unfortunately for you global warming scaremongers, that isn't the case. It seems the ice has been getting thicker in Greenland [sciencemag.org] over the past decade or so.

Your link mentions a thickness increase in the interior only; there's a decrease on the margins. NASA says [nasa.gov]:

Greenland's low coastal regions lost 155 gigatons (41 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2003 and 2005 from excess melting and icebergs, while the high-elev

Re:Nice. Now if only...

[omicronish]

An unpublished study according to the link you provide. Really, I'd love to see that study, but all you've provided is an article in National Geographic. Of course, we can all remember National Geographic led the global cooling craze in 1975. But now, I suppose, they are an authoritative source. Much moreso than a peer reviewed scientific journal...

You can read the paper here [utexas.edu]. It was published in Science [sciencemag.org] on August 10, 2006. Abstract:

Using time-variable gravity measurements from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellite mission, we estimate ice mass changes over Greenland during the period April 2002 to November 2005. After correcting for effects of spatial filtering and limited resolution of GRACE data, estimated total ice melting rate over Greenland is -239 ± 23 cubic kilometers per year, mostly from East Greenland. This estimate agrees remarkably well with a recent assessment of -224 ± 41 cubic kilometers per year, based on satellite radar interferometry data. GRACE estimates in southeast Greenland suggest accelerated melting since the summer of 2004, consistent with the latest remote sensing measurements.

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[ZeroExistenZ]

Yes. That explains why the Baltic sea hasn't frozen yet this year, they shipped all the ice to Greenland :)

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[angel'o'sphere]

Oh my god ....

No idae where you get your source from or whre the source gets their data from .. greenland ice area has gone away over 30% last 15 years alone ...

Who the fuck cares if the rest is getting "thicker" ? Just loock on google maps or google for greenland ice retreat ..

angel'o'sphere

Re:Nice. Now if only...

[RodgerDodger]

Sorry, but this was predicted by the models.

What happens is that warming causes ice near the edges to melt. This dumps cold freshwater into the water nearby, disrupting warmer ocean currents. It also increases humidity. Due to the disrupted ocean currents, the prevailing winds go inland, taking the humid air with it. This gets dumped as snow in the middle, causing the central ice dome to increase. A similar effect occurs in Antartica, where the central ice dome is about 4ks thick.

As shown in the link you provided, _below_ 1500m, the average change was a shrinking of 2cm (+- 0.9cm). Yes, the overall effect was to increase the thickness of the ice dome, but the dome is definitely getting more pronounced.

What the models predict next, however, is that as the slope of the dome gets more steeper, it gets unstable. You then get large stress fractures occurring, and huge slabs - say, about the size of New York State - break off and slide down to the ocean. Fun stuff.

Also, there's ice and there's ice. Old ice is very dense - it's been compressed over thousands or even millions of years, and contains more water by volume than the newer ice being laid down above. The main contributor to this is that the new ice has a lot of gas dissolved into it, or caught in bubbles. What this means is you can melt a million cubic meters of old glacial ice to get a bit less than a million cubic meters of water. However, the same volume of water (a bit less than a million cubic meters) falls as about 3 million cubic meters of snow inland, which gets packed down to about 1.5 million cubic meters of new ice. So, yes, the _volume_ of ice over Greenland is increasing, but the quantity of water in that ice is decreasing.

Here's an paper from the same March 2006 issue of Science [sciencemag.org] that describes the process.

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[strider44]

That's ridiculous. It's global warming, not parts of the globe warming. Global warming of 2 degrees obviously means that if it's 30 degrees outside it would have been 28 degrees if global warming hadn't happened. There being thicker ice in any part of the world (even my freezer) means that global warming is totally false. And they say that climatology is hard.

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[RodgerDodger]

*sigh* Global warming is not quite that simple, and frankly you're either an idiot or a troll.

What global warming means is that there is more energy in the weather systems of the world. That energy gets expressed as more _extreme_ temperature. The snow storms in Denver [nytimes.com] at the moment are just as much a symptom of global warming as the heat waves in Europe were in summer.

The weather is a vast engine that pumps heat energy around the globe. Global warming will result in this engine becoming unstable. One aspec

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[ultranova]

You then get large stress fractures occurring, and huge slabs - say, about the size of New York State - break off and slide down to the ocean.

Any chance of these slides causing tsunamis in Atlantic ?

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[RodgerDodger]

Any chance of these slides causing tsunamis in Atlantic ?

Some, but not much... mostly, these will break off inland, so they won't drop. The slides themselves will be fairly gentle... more of a drift than a rush. You'd only get a tsunami if a large area was undercut and snapped off. Even so, this wouldn't be big enough to do much damage except maybe to Iceland.

A number of similar slabs have broken off from Antarctica, and there's been no tsunami as a result.

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[rapett0]

I could be completely off base here, but I read a while back the reason is because previously it was too cold to snow as much as before. However, since now thanks to "global warming", it is snowing more, but still below the freezing point and hence more ice. Again, I could be wrong here, but sounded like a good explanation to me for this phenomenom.

that's because...

[oohshiny]

Yes, there is more ice in the interior of Greenland. The amount of ice in the interior of Greenland depends on the amount of precipitation, not the temperature. That is, warmer temperatures don't reduce the amount of ice in the interior of Greenland as long as the temperatures stay below the melting point. But warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the air and therefore the amount of precipitation in the interior, and that leads to more ice there.

By comparison, some of the strongest snowf

Prepare to be censored

[Overly Critical Guy]

Prepare to be censored by global warming propagandaists who will mod you down for the crime of not following the holy word of politician Al Gore. Remember, environmentalists want you to feel guilty and ashamed for even existing on this planet. Facts don't count; it's all about what you feel is true. Ever notice how the media now asks people how they "feel" about something rather than what they "think?" It's part of our emotion-over-reason society of today, caused mostly by a predominantly liberal media

Must have been beans...

[flyingfsck]

We all know that the previous hot periods were caused by Dinosaur farts (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe ws/20061030/klein_quotes_061030/20061031/). The Greek philosopher Pythagoras advised against eating beans, so the the Medieval hot period must have been due to the Viking's inability to read Greek.

That's why they called it GREENland

[The Monster]

They didn't get too far from the coast, or they might have realized the error. You know the first rule of Medieval Warm Period Club? Don't talk about the Medievel Warm Period. The Global Warming people don't have an explanation for it (reverses the direction of the Hockey Stick), nor the fact that Mars has been warming up, so they want us to just... LOOK! Britney Spears' coochie!

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[RodgerDodger]

The medieval warming period followed the so-called "mini-Ice Age" of the 12th century. During this period, the Black Forest in Europe shrunk to smaller than its current size - all due to people cutting down wood for fires. These fires significantly increased the carbon in the atmosphere. The planet warmed up as a result, slowly but at a sustained rate for over a century. The Black Forest later grew back and the carbon was taken out of the air.

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[Dunbal]

These fires significantly increased the carbon in the atmosphere. The planet warmed up as a result

      I'm having a bit of trouble swallowing this causal link here... there is no WAY burning even the entire black forest could cause such a pronounced and rapid change, sorry. Vulcanism has a far greater effect than what you propose, and we're not even sure if vulcanism is directly responsible.

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[RodgerDodger]

It wasn't pronounced, and it wasn't rapid - it was about 2 degrees average over a century. It just happened that was enough.

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[Dunbal]

2 degrees average over a century. It just happened that was enough.

      That _IS_ a pronounced and rapid change! Publications that support your pet theory, please.

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[meta-monkey]

Damn it, you just broke my bullshitometer!

It's GLOBAL warming, not local!

[mangu]

From Wikipedia: "The fjords of the southern part of the island were lush and had a warmer climate at that time [c. 984

Well, at least you are reading something, now how about reading it all, not just the parts that look nicer in your political agenda? Such as, from the same article you quote, "The Ice-cap has shrunk noticeably since 1978".

Now try to follow your own links and look over that "Medieval Warm Period" thing you mention. Quoting from the same Wikipedia which you appear to consider a reliable sourc

Warmer air might mean more snow.

[Kadin2048]

That doesn't really reassure me. Anyone who's lived in a particularly cold climate can tell you that precipitation increases as it gets warmer (given sufficiently cold temperatures), and tends to lessen as it gets very cold, due to the air's inability to hold as much moisture at lower temperatures; it could be that the increased depth of the ice pack in the interior is a direct result of increased snowfall due to warmer atmospheric conditions. That would be rather consistent with increased snowfall in the interior (hence deepening of the ice) and melting at the edges.

I don't know for sure if that's the case, but the fact that the ice depth is increasing in the interior doesn't necessarily refute climate change. It's certainly not an open-and-shut case.

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[TapeCutter]

"It's very simple: The ice sheet atop Greenland has been growing, not melting. I have provided ample evidence to support this assertion. Evidence in the form of observations, not predictions and computer models."

It's anything but simple and you still don't get it. Your "observational evidence" is a confirmation of climate model predictions and the "observational evidence" from the GRACE study (that has been repeatedly pointed out to you, but you have repeatedly ignored), is much more accurate since it wa

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[Lars T.]

So you are proving Global Warming wrong by pointing to an article that says there is Global Warming.

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[Schemat1c]

I don't have to argue. The information is provided in the article I linked to. It's very simple. The average thickness over the entirety of Greenland has increased 54 cm (21 inches) in a recent 11 year period. Is there anything else that you cowards would like to add?

There, fixed it for you.

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[RodgerDodger]

Yes. See my previous reply [slashdot.org] to your original post.

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[TapeCutter]

First up nobody disputes there has been increased snowfall in Greenland's interior, in fact it was predicted by climate models.

Second, there have been more comprehensive and more recent studies from the GRACE sattelites [nasa.gov], seen in the citation record at the bottom of your link. Also note in the GRACE mission statement that NASA purposfully designed the sattelites to measure the "exchanges between ice sheets or glaciers and the oceans".

Third, Johanessen et al. came to the best conclusion using the data t

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[TapeCutter]

Thanks! Regarding your sig, do you know what happened to the censored pages on Saudi Arabia ( cut from the CIA's annual report shortly after 9/11 )? It's been bugging me ever since I heard it.

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[vought]

The average thickness over the entirety of Greenland has increased 54 cm (21 inches) in a recent 11 year period.

Good God, you are a fucking idiot.

Here's what you're saying: The average snowpack in California this year is a hundred inches. That means the average snow depth in California is an inch! Duh! What do you mean it doesn't snow in the Central Valley? The average says an inch!

Wingnuts post the most stupid rationale against global warming I've ever read! Is EVERY slashdot post getting mirrored at FreeR

Re:Even nicer... AC responses.

[Joe U]

A median ice growth average over such a large landmass is a pointless statistic.

If it rains all year in Washington yet there's a severe drought in Oklahoma, the national average could be the same as if there was normal rainfall in both locations.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"

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[MidnightBrewer]

Average thickness in this case is very misleading. If you were to say that 50% of Greenland was over 1500 meters tall, what the overall picture would be is that the other 50% of the ice sheet is melting and only a few mountain peaks were piling on ice. Isolated pockets building on extremely thick layers could through off the average in favor of thicker ice, when in fact the vast majority is melting away.

Re:Nice. Now if only...

[MaWeiTao]

Maybe that is why atleast in the North-Eastern part of USA, we have had a wet Christmas instead of a white one.

Having grown up in the Northeast I'd like to know when it is that we've ever had a white Christmas. In fact, a few years ago I read something about how contrary to the expectation that we should get snow on Christmas very few parts of the country actually see snow on a consistent basis for the holiday. I don't remember the percentage exactly, but it was quite high.

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[smithmc]

  Even if it does not snow on Christmas day, there is usually still snow on the ground from previous snow showers which is not the case this year in most of the north east.

Nor has it been the case in any recent year I can remember. This really isn't anything new.

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[TapeCutter]

I have lived in Melbourne Australia for nearly 50yrs, we are experiencing a 1:1000yr drought event accompanied by record breaking heat waves, you may have also read about the exceptionally bad bushfires that have come 2 months early and blanketed the SE part of the continenet with smoke. My reasonably clean-air city looked like Calcutta for most of December, much worse and much longer than the smoke from "Ash Wednesday". Surprisingly, this year was my first white Christmas, I woke up to a severe hail storm

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[RodgerDodger]

As an Australian, I should point out here that we're not in "1-in-1000 year" drought. Point in fact, there was a feature in the Australian today about this. The second-wettest year on record in Australia was 2000.

The problem isn't lack of rainfall. The problem is that rainfall patterns have shifted - it no longer rains as much as it used to in certain areas, and it now rains more than it used to. In particular, this is screwing up dams - most of the catchment areas for them are now getting less rainfall. T

Just for the record...

[SaDan]

I do not want to hear about global warming as the cause of all the melting ice in Greenland if we're going over there and effectively microwaving the place to get pretty pictures of what's underneath.

Ehm

[Anonymous Coward]

shouldn't any mountain ranges be pretty well worn down by now? Scandinavia doesn't have any huge mountains due to the ice ages, so I'd imagine that the same goes for Greenland.

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[RodgerDodger]

Depends how much the ice has moved. Glacial movements wear down mountains; Scandinavia doesn't have much in the way of mountains because glaciers have grown and shrunk back and forth over it a lot.

Glaciers have covered Greenland for a long time. Sheer pressure of weight won't wear down mountains at all.

Look at Antarctica - it's got several mountain ranges of decent size (3k+ - going up to 4897m at Mt Vinson - that's higher than any mountain in the Alps or the Rockies)

What I think would be cool under Greenland

[Jon Luckey]

This: [gutenberg.net.au]

The effect was that of a Cyclopean city of no architecture known to man or to human imagination, with vast aggregations of night-black masonry embodying monstrous perversions of geometrical laws. There were truncated cones, sometimes terraced or fluted, surmounted by tall cylindrical shafts here and there bulbously enlarged and often capped with tiers of thinnish scalloped disks; and strange beetling, table-like constructions suggesting piles of multitudinous rectangular slabs or circular plates or five-pointed stars with each one overlapping the one beneath. There were composite cones and pyramids either alone or surmounting cylinders or cubes or flatter truncated cones and pyramids, and occasional needle-like spires in curious clusters of five. All of these febrile structures seemed knit together by tubular bridges crossing from one to the other at various dizzy heights, and the implied scale of the whole was terrifying and oppressive in its sheer gigantism. The general type of mirage was not unlike some of the wilder forms observed and drawn by the arctic whaler Scoresby in 1820, but at this time and place, with those dark, unknown mountain peaks soaring stupendously ahead, that anomalous elder-world discovery in our minds, and the pall of probable disaster enveloping the greater part of our expedition, we all seemed to find in it a taint of latent malignity and infinitely evil portent.

Likely? No... but if it happened it might make certian people reconsider that greenhouse gas/climate change tradeoff issue. :)

Book?

[Aladrin]

Wasn't there a book about this?

http://www.amazon.com/Deception-Point-Dan-Brown/dp /0671027387 [amazon.com]

Oh wait, that was the North Pole. My bad!

Real Estate

[istartedi]

Real Estate. I thought Greenland was owned by Denmark, but apparently it's autonomous now. AFAIK, nobody has surveyed the land, and even if the ice melted today it would probably be a nasty unstable place for a while, but you know some Lex Luthor type has to be smacking his lips at the prospect of an ice sheet collapse and a temperate polar climate.

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[Waffle Iron]

...And judging from the Mercator projection map that I had on my wall as a kid, it's LOTS of real estate. It looks like more than the entire continental USA, maybe more than all of South America. Probably it's even much bigger than that, but it's hard to tell because they cut the top off Greenland at the edge of the map. It looks like probably goes on and on as you go farther north, though. This global warming thing could be a huge boon to land developers!

What's hidden?

[I Like Pudding]

It's Waldo. Obviously.

You all got it wrong (was:What's hidden?)

[Lead Butthead]

ancient pr0n.

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[bmo]

That's one of the best sci-fi movies ever.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062168/ [imdb.com]

It's a remake of the british screenplay, but, well, we didn't get that on this side of the pond.

Someone mod parent up.

--
BMO

Queue debate over what happens when ice melts.

[mypalmike]

I say it triples in volume and gets salty.

Is it too early .......

[edwardpickman]

to start building condos? With Florida and most of the current coastal land under water there's going to be a big demand for new coastal land. Personally I think it's all a scam and Trump is behind the survey and they are really dividing the island into lots. Just watch, there'll be prime lots for sale on Ebay any day now. They're starting to run out of desert and swamp land to sell so Greenland would be a perfect spot for retirement property for Gen Xers.

Penguins!

[Turn-X Alphonse]

Lots and lots of penguins!

A Great Mystery

[nxtr]

The article makes Greenland seem like a woman and the ice seem like a bra. So far, I can most certainly tell you that whatever is under the ice are not bags of sand.

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[jcwayne]

Q: How many geeks does it take to get a woman's bra off?
A: 8, but they will only remove it in 1% strips and take 9 months to process the visuals.

Puhleease: Put Roland Piquepaille blog elsewhere

[viking80]

I would like to just suggest a link to Roland Piquepailles blog somewhere where those who are interested can click. And *no more articles please*

I read /. to get real news and facts, and see discussions from people with insight.
Roland Piquepailles submissions has not met this criterium. Did this article tell you what lies under greenlands ice?

You should mod this up if you agree or mod away as flamebait/offtopic/troll if you dont agree, but at least mod it.

Just give them a section or author setting

[Rob Simpson]

Make it so they can be disabled on the "Customize Stories on the Homepage" part of the user prefs. Seriously, how many Piquepaille blogspams are there compared to Apache stories? Personally, I'd leave them on, but the icon or whatever would be a warning - even though there's usually no substance to the "story", sometimes there are worthwhile posts within the comments. Hopefully, this would also improve said comments, since complaints about these blog posts would no longer be justified.

Re:Puhleease: Put Roland Piquepaille blog elsewher

[gnalle]

I have no problem with the fact that Roland Piquepaille makes money while posting articles to slashdot, and frankly he often links to interesting stories. The problem is that he doesn't write good summaries. He always seems to miss a small detail that later proves to be the point of the whole story. We all have to browse through the comments to find a reader that can explain the missing pieces. Todays story was pretty good though.

What Lies Beneath

[umbrellasd]

Dirt.

There. My informativity quotient has exceeded our noble blogger. And for a more entertaining notion: I wonder if someone could get charged for criminal acts against humanity if they ran around Greenland with space heaters and tried to claim some cheap real estate before the boom?

People are already jockeying for position on Antarctica and the soon to be available northern shipping routes. Don't just be a victim of global warming. Be a profitable victim!

Re:Puhleease: Put Roland Piquepaille blog elsewher

[Inda]

I'm sure I've seen a Firefox Extension or Greasemonkey script that filters Roland's stories from the front page.

If there isn't one, and I've dreamed the whole thing, then it should only take 10 minutes to write one.

Vikings

[rlp]

Frozen Vikings and cattle standing under frozen palm trees.

I know what it is...

[bigsam411]

an ancient 66 square-kilometer ice shelf, the size of 11,000 football fields

It's probably...

[Panaqqa]

a lot like the terrain on Baffin Island, another arctic island which underwent intense glaciation in the last ice age - and emerged from it due to slightly milder climate. This picture [umass.edu] of Mount Asgard on Baffin Island is likely quite representative of what would be under Greenland's ice. Minus, of course, the moss/lichen/pioneer plants.

GISMO

[adavies42]

Nice acronym.

Been there, done that.

[NullProg]

Under the ice sheet there are, wait for it... Trees

http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-ice-co re.htm [athropolis.com]
This planet was once warm in the past. It is warming up again despite our human influence.
FYI, the planet is going to get cold again when it adjusts.

Enjoy,

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[Overly Critical Guy]

That's not what Al Gore says, you petrol-funded bastard!

Two words:

[Karl Cocknozzle]

Alien starship.

Lost socks.

[alfredo]

I kid you not.

Biggest glacier in Iceland ...

[Tribbin]

wikipedia:

Vatnajökull

It's 8 percent of the country preserved since the ice age.

The average thickness of the ice is 400 m, with a maximum thickness of 1000 m.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb /Iceland_sat_cleaned.png [wikimedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Northern_iceshe et_hg.png [wikipedia.org]

Under the glacier, as under many of the glaciers of Iceland, there are several volcanoes. The volcanic lakes, Grímsvötn for example, were the sources of a large glacier run in 1996. The volcano under these

I hate to say it but...

[dr_strang]

the first thing that came to mind after reading that headline was...

"Your mom".

I'm rooting for...

[ewg]

...the face of Elvis.

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[bladesjester]

They started doing the The Ohio State University thing because of the legal battle they lost with my alma mater (Ohio University). OSU was trying to just use Ohio for a lot of their stuff, and OU had the rights to it (Ohio University was founded in 1804 and was the first college in the Northwest Territory).

They've been bitchy about it ever since.

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[Ph33r th3 g(O)at]

The legislature ought to just merge OSU and OU and shut them both up for good, firing any administrators who don't like it. The "THE" thing is one of the dumbest things going.

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[east coast]

Don't tell the unwitting fools! I need them to further the cause.

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[AndroidCat]

The real question is what is under Iceland's green?

The world biggest volcanic-powered grow-op?

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[larry bagina]

That reminds me of a joke:

Q: What's in CmdrTaco's brown?

A: Zonk's white!

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[Loadmaster]

Well, it is Ohio State doing the research so I can only assume this is a veiled threat against the rogue state of Michigan.

Swi

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[Guppy06]

"If one can see through the ice then one can see through solid rock."

WTF?

I can see through ice with my naked eyes if it's thin enough, but the same can't be said about granite because they're two completely different mediums, with different molecular structures, different opacities and different electromagnetic conducting properties.

Besides, if this technology were capable of seeing through solid rock, it would be completely useless for the stated goal: you want the radar waves to bounce off the rock below

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[radarsat1]

I can see through ice with my naked eyes if it's thin enough, but the same can't be said about granite because they're two completely different mediums, with different molecular structures, different opacities and different electromagnetic conducting properties.

Hm... actually I'd be willing to bet like $10 that you could see through granite too if it was thin enough.

Ps., on TFA topic... according to the article, "whats under greenlands ice" is a bunch of pretty colours streaked out horizontally. Wow. Exci

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[AltGrendel]

Well actually, this is probably where Atari buried all those "ET" game cartridges.

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[SilentOneNCW]

Actually, it was in New Mexico. Near Las Cruces, in fact. How do I know? I've been there! ... Hell, you're probably just making a joke. But damnitall, let the facts be known!

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[Anonymous Coward]

and he's getting $0.01 per page hit.
$.01 or .01 cents?

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[1u3hr]

Roland is reverting to his old ways of putting his own ZDNet blog, undisclosed, as if it were a primary link, when all it contains are photos he's filched from the original source.

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[rbochan]

iPods... with nanotechnology!

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[Dunbal]

Perhaps Greenland will send Roland some free ice-cubes... well it's not a laptop, but he can put them in his lap.

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[networkBoy]

"Get your hits in - especially if you can do it off-topic on a Friday night!"

Apparently you missed the memo, it's a Roland P. story. Bashing is part of the topical discussion...

-nB

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[ZeroExistenZ]

So what do you think they'll tell _you_ what's under all that ice?

"We found alot of interesting things. But upon contact with air, after thousands of years, it disintigrated and couldn't be saved anymore to identify and investigate the finds."