Internet Only 1% Porn 422
Eli Gottlieb writes "In what surely comes as a complete and utter surprise to everyone here, a new calculation shows that only one percent of web pages contain pornography. While the calculations were performed using data forced from Google's and Microsoft's search indices by the government, they will help the American Civil Liberties Union to keep enforcement of the Children's Online Protection Act of 1998 banned. A loss for business privacy has become a victory for free speech, even though netizens lose a beloved old proverb."
In about 1 per cent of the Slashdot articles (Score:2, Funny)
1% by number of pages, 99% by bandwidth consumed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:1% by number of pages, 99% by bandwidth consume (Score:5, Insightful)
B.
Re:1% by number of pages, 99% by bandwidth consume (Score:5, Funny)
Come on now, you know Joe Sixpack got broadband to watch the MIT OCW lectures. Don't bring him down with bad noise. He needs all the encouragement he can get.
The proof is in the... uh... "pudding" (Score:3, Insightful)
I do agree with you to an extent. Even if many households get broadband for a NUMBER of reasons, my guess is that if we had stats on the first website loaded after the Cable installer leaves, we'd have a fair cross-section of the fetish-porn industry.
We don't need no steenking suits... (Score:4, Funny)
>Ok, bad phonetic pun, sue me.
We here at the Slashdot Language Police do not use lawsuits for such offenses; we prefer flogging. There is a strong minority opinion that bad anatomical puns should be punished by flaying of the referenced anatomical part. Fortunately for you, the number of Slashdotters able to recognize a pun such as yours playing on rules of spelling and pronunciation is far less than the alleged 1% porn content of the internet, so you're probably safe. This time. You have been warned, however.
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Answer: Yes.
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Random Slashdot Quote (Score:2)
Oh Random Slashdot Quote at the bottom of the page... sometimes you are just soooo apropos:
hard, adj.: The quality of your own...etc... ;-)
The other 99% (Score:3, Funny)
I suspect (Score:5, Funny)
1% pornography, 93% "art" (Score:5, Funny)
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You seem to be a Christian, so let me ask you this: in the Bible, Jesus spent his time with the poor and destitute. He spent time with criminals and prostitutes. Have you ever actually met anyone that currently works in pornography and befriended them? You might be shocked at what they have to say about their chosen profession. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
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Thomas.
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Is this trend really a surprise though? (Score:5, Insightful)
Some porn sites allow user-generated content (pun intended, eewww...), but overall the number of people willing to share recordings of themselves having sex is probably pretty small compared to the number willing to share their favorite song or interesting link or thoughts on a subject. (At least I hope to God it is.)
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If you discount auto-generated pages, you willl also eliminate a huge fraction of the Web.
There's an awful lot of play in these numbers, so don't be too shocked if they're just dead wrong from most points of view.
Re:I suspect (Score:5, Funny)
I suspect that the porn content of the Net is highly underrated. Having done such surveys in my life for businesses
I want your job.
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oh no! (Score:5, Funny)
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99-1 law (Score:5, Funny)
Irrelevant to policy makers (Score:5, Insightful)
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Don't blame just the policy makers. (Score:2)
Government driven research leads to one thing, more government driven research usually by the same groups. When you don't have to show a profit from your results you return what best profits you.
Re:Don't blame just the policy makers. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, that's EXACTLY what they did. The government was trying to prove that there is a need for COPA. Instead they proved that there isn't.
Re:Don't blame just the policy makers. (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't open the champagne yet; the DOJ can find data in the study to support their claim.
I noted this in the article -
Which raises the question, what percentage of the search terms are of that nature? The report from Dr. Philip Stark states that in addition to the random search terms, 685 popular queries (as counted by Wordtracker) were used in the study. When those search terms were used, the return rate of sexually explicit sites was about 37%.
To me it shows that a lot of people are looking for pr0n (and finding it), so I wanted to see what people are currently looking for. These are the current top 30 search terms [wordtracker.com], but they have been edited by Wordtracker "so as not to cause offense." Does anyone have access to the current, unedited top 30, 100, 500, etc.?
The other 99% (Score:2, Insightful)
But, but... I thought... (Score:2)
(Old link by now, sorry).
The Internet is... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The Internet is... (Score:5, Informative)
For example if I use English words to search for something in Google.de....
(At this point I would like to point out to any web designers who code to redirect users to country specific sites and languages based on their IP address, that if I ever find you I will hurt you, that's a promise. I live in Germany and travel a lot in the EU, but I speak English, I'm damned if I can ever get the page I'm looking for after a cookie clear. Seriously, do you think I'm too stupid to know the difference between
Or perhaps we're just long overdue for the next generation of search engine. Google is better than that which came before it, but it still has a long way to go. I want to find my porn without click fraud crap.
Re:The Internet is... (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.google.com/ncr [google.com]
Why I usually don't RTFA... (Score:5, Funny)
Supply, Demand, Availability (Score:5, Insightful)
Ok but... (Score:5, Insightful)
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About web search (Score:3, Interesting)
That only bolsters the argument though (Score:3, Insightful)
Also I should point out that there are vast stores of Web-accessible, non-porn information hidden beh
Re:That only bolsters the argument though (Score:5, Insightful)
The important question is whether or not children need to be protected from porn at all.
I ask this question seriously: Have there been any studies done that shows that exposure to pornographic images makes a child more likely to engage in sexual activity sooner, or makes them somehow less likely to use protection during intercourse? If not, it seems to me that this isn't about protecting children -- it's about protecting parents from uncomfortable discussions that, frankly, are part of their job as parents.
Personally I wish children were exposed to MORE porn and MORE sexual discussion. It seems to me that the US has become entirely too prudish about sex. It is a natural and necessary part of life and we should stop treating it as a depravity. Sex is what it is. If we, as a society, instill maturity and responsibility in our children, I believe the vast majority of the concern of sex is rendered moot.
Not a good metric (Score:2, Insightful)
Other figures: (Score:3, Funny)
49% Erotica
2% Goatse
30% Bush haters
15% Bush supporters
2% Slashdot articles
10% Blogs
8% Math geniuses
42% AOL and MySpace pages
69% Potty humour
80% Top Ten and Stupid Lists
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I forgot to include:
- Not enough pages describing humour to humourless drones.
Doing my part... (Score:5, Funny)
Easy now... (Score:5, Funny)
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Don't nobody fall for this. She's underage and if you download it you'll be on TV with Stone Phillips.
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I kid, I kid!
The muzzle of a cat? (Score:5, Funny)
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*(_Y_)*
Another way of loooking at it... (Score:4, Funny)
Numbers are great when you make them dance.
The internet is for porn... (Score:2, Funny)
The internet == the web? (Score:4, Insightful)
Lies, damn lies - and statistics (Score:5, Insightful)
"30% of the Internet is porn".
Was the entire Internet checked? of course not. So what sample was taken? was it a list of random domains, or a list of random pages - which will produce quite different results. If it was random domains, which list was the sample taken from? was it from all sites, or just
Also, pointedly, what exactly *is* a site with porn? do we mean hardcore porn (peneratration) or do we include softcore porn (glamour)? shouldn't we differentiate between the two, and have two percentages?
So propositions like "the xxx is nn% yyy" are so trite that they are meaningless.
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Many free porn sites are now going to URLs that are not easy to guess and thus you cannot get to their content unless you know the specific URLs (linked by TPG listing sites like thehun, elephantlist, sublimedirectory, etc).
So while they mig
I kind of think this is true... (Score:2, Interesting)
How the definition of "pornography" differs..... (Score:5, Insightful)
We were talking about the Internet, and some of the work he'd done speeding up the TCP implementation for an embedded OS. He mentioned at one point that he was worried it'd be used to transmit pornography at a faster rate. I found this absurd, so I asked him to elaborate on what he considered pornography. He was telling me that he thought pictures of the adult women modelling underwear and bras in Wal-Mart flyers were pornographic!
Now, I don't know this guy very well. My best guess is that he's got a raging erection most of the time, but due to the beliefs and customs of the society and religion he has been exposed to his entire life, he's had to build up this anti-pronographic personality. It seems he's taken it to the extreme. But it showed to me the problem with pornography: its definition differs so widely between different individuals.
A few calculations (Score:5, Funny)
Feel free to convert it into imperial. I think rods would be an appropriate measure.
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More than one percent porn spam (Score:4, Interesting)
Of course it's only 1% of sites... (Score:5, Interesting)
Millions of people can belong to one huge site and spend all their time there. Dozens and dozens of "mini" sites all just feed into the same big site, and depending on how they counted this, those might all be "one site." A whole ton of the porn out there probably isn't indexed, because you have to have an account and log in to the one accessible page the crawler saw to get to the ten million pages of porn behind it. A huge amount of the porn online probably never has anything to do with the web, as it's moving over bittorrent, usenet, gnutella, etc.
Estimates I've seen of the percent of internet traffic that's porn have been much, much higher than 1%.
Quote From TFA (Score:5, Interesting)
That might be the most insightful thing that I've read all week...
So thats why.... (Score:2)
Just one question... (Score:2)
ONLY 1% Porn? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:ONLY 1% Porn? (Score:4, Funny)
I can't help but notice that you said "difficult" and not "impossible."
No surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
Doesn't surprise me. Less than 1% of my house's floor space is occupied by dining room chairs, yet somehow I manage to spend nearly 10% of my time in these chairs daily. Likewise, the percent of waking time spent by our household watching the 0.1% of our wallspace occupied by the television is a (disproportionate) 10%.
Percentage of Internet traffic pls, not web sites (Score:2)
Internet by Diebold (Score:4, Funny)
40% Useless meme and trivia
59% George W. Bush
What is "business privacy"? (Score:2)
Also, what's the "beloved proverb" that "netizens" are losing?
The amazing part is ..... (Score:2)
Think about it. what sort of distorted view does the government have of the people it is suppose to represent.
Skeptical? (Score:2, Interesting)
The real purpose for DNS (Score:2)
Who doesn't know this? This was what they trying to do!
Dont believe me? Just try to remember the IP address for "Big Asian Titties" by yourself!
1% of what, exactly? (Score:2)
And, as other posters have indicated, what they ought to be measuring is the percentage of internet traffic that comprises porn, which would be (to me) a more valid metric for what impact porn has on the internet.
Porn vs Mac (Score:4, Funny)
I want to know.... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm tired of wasting 10 minutes to.... errr.... Wasting 10 minutes to search a topic and finding nothing but porn. I need those links to err.... block the porn... yeah.
How do you define pornography? (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Bare tit
2. Celebrity nipple slips
3. Non-detailed butt/bum shots
4. Up the skirt panty shots
To others who are more extreme in their anti-porn views, the following would qualify:
1. Females under the age of 18 wearing skimpy clothing and too much makeup on MySpace
2. Anything with a female of any age wearing clothing that starts above the knee and doesn't cover the legs, or exposes the midriff
3. Anything that celebrates female sexuality in terms of sexual pleasure. It's OK to celebrate it, if it's related to child bearing. Witness the number of couples who tell all their friends and family "we started trying to have a baby a few months ago" without batting an eye, but you wouldn't see them saying "we started trying to increase the quality and frequency of orgasm for both of us a few months ago". With "both" implying that she gets to have a lot of fun too.
The two groups above very likely would comdemn people to death for looking at images of activities like:
1. Gay/Lesbian Sex
2. Orgies
3. Bondage and Dicipline/Sado-Masochism
4. Female Domination
5. Infantilism
6. Furries/Yiff (sexual scenarios utilizing anthropomorphic animals in cartoon form)
7. Bisexual activity of any kind (forced homosexuality in the domination scene all the way to "lesbian" activity in the swingers scene)
8. Cross dressing
9. Extreme body play (super large anal and vaginal insertions. Think: bowling ball in ass or eggplant in vagina. It's been done. Many times. You'd be amazed at how much human tissue can stretch without breaking)
10. Nullo (the voluntary or involuntary removal of genitalia)
11. Amputation (removal of limbs for sexual pleasure)
12. Scat (sexual activity focused on fecal matter)
13. Bestiality (sexual activity with animals)
14. Hentai (anime with a strong sexual focus possibly even including "tentacle sex" and mutilation (typically of females))
15. Hirsute women (women with a lot of body hair who don't shave it off. As some men put it, "wool panties")
16. God/Goddess/Wife worship (people who literally worship their masters, mistresses and spouses in the BD/SM scene and take the worship very seriously)
17. Swingers (real people who engage in free exchange of sexual partners. Typically lots of straight couples and singles with bisexual activity between women. There is very little homosexual activity between men and some groups discourage it due to health concerns based around the lie that AIDS is a "gay" disease.)
18. Cybelle (Wife as goddess figure. Husband must submit to being a literal "human toilet" and ingest urine and feces of wife. Husband is also cut off crom all sexual contact with wife, while wife has right to take many lovers. Husband is also in financial bondage and all money he earns go to wife for her use only. Hehehe... I expect some guys here will say that that's why they got divorced in the first place.
19. Foot fetish
20. Hotwife/Cuckold culture. Wives sleep with other men and their husbands photo/video them for sharing on the net both free and pay. The cuckolds never get to have sex with their wives.
And that's just a smattering of what I've scene in my 16 years on the net as an amateur sexologist/enthusiast. All of the above activities/groups publish photos and text online that the simpler folk of our society would find appalling and unacceptable. Hell, even I was shocked when I found the Nullo, Amputation and Cybelle stuff. But, then after looking at these things I realized that this stuff has ALWAYS been around long before the first bits poured out onto the internet. And as long as humans exist, these things will continue to be around. In the past people did this stuff underground and kept their images, written words and fantasies to themselves. If they were caught, they were likely i
yeah! i wonder when they'll learn about metatags (Score:3, Funny)
all the porn sites have to do is put "no-cache" metatags on their pages to keep them off gogle's cache.
now here comes the science. they do research using webcaches as source, come with a meaningles, wrong number and want us to let go of our proverb ???
well, they can have my proverb when they pry it from my cold dead hand!!! the left one, of course. the right is kinda busy right now.
One data point (Score:3, Interesting)
It's what they don't measure that counts (Score:3, Insightful)
Google doesn't measure file-sharing networks.
Google doesn't measure web pages that have robots.txt exclusions.
A much more interesting number than "porn sites" is:
1) how likely are you to find porn if you start at a well-known non-porn site and randomly click on links?
2) how likely are you to find porn on the first page of results on a search engine, if you are NOT searching for porn?
3) for the parents of 14 year old boys: a) how hard is it for my child to find porn if he IS looking for it, b) how effective are i) machine-, ii) router-, and iii) ISP-level blocking tools, and c) how easy can my son or his friends evade them without getting caught?
The first two will keep truly-innocent kids and adults from stumbling on porn. #3 demands both a technical and a proper-parenting solution.
The other 99% (Score:2, Interesting)
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Still, 1% of 5 billion is still a significant number.
500,000,000 pages, many of which are entry pages to sites that Google can't index, so the number skews even higher.
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Results 1 - 10 of about 328 for omg poniez!!!. (0.13 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,630,000 for pr0n. (0.12 seconds)
From this I conclude that there is 11067.07X more pr0n than omg poniez!!! on the intarweb. Now, let's correct your spelling:
Results 1 - 10 of about 152,000 for omg ponies!!!. (0.13 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 106,000,000 for porn [definition]. (0.10 seconds)
Now we know that there is 697.36X more porn than omg
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