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SCO to Unix developers, We want you back 427

NoGuffCheck writes "CRN is reporting that Darl McBride is looking to get Unix developers back onboard with cash incentives for completing training in SCO's new mobile application kit; EdgeBuilder. It doesn't stop there; there's a 12-cylinder BMW or $100,000 dollars for the development of the best wireless application."
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SCO to Unix developers, We want you back

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  • by Joey Patterson ( 547891 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:03PM (#15576339)
    * All developers are required to pay their $699 SCO licensing fees at the door.
  • by $RANDOMLUSER ( 804576 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:03PM (#15576346)
  • What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ThinkingInBinary ( 899485 ) <> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:04PM (#15576353) Homepage

    This is such a waste of their time. Do they really think anyone is going to take them seriously? Sure, a few misguided folks might, but, as far as I know, SCO's reputation is now squat in the tech industry. Besides, the incentives SCO offers probably won't be enough to pay off the lawsuits that SCO will file against you before you've finished your app.

    Perhaps they should create a contest for "most creative way to destroy SCO" or something like that instead. It'd be much more fun. (Although seeing who actually enters this contest might be interesting.)

    • Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)

      by tomstdenis ( 446163 ) <tomstdenis@gm a i> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:08PM (#15576394) Homepage
      Dude, most people will do anything for a buck. It's why we have shitty products on the shelves, crap service at every turn, etc, etc. I'm certain SCO could score an entire division of developers within weeks if they simply offer cash money.

      that doesn't mean we have to buy what SCO is selling though!

    • by malraid ( 592373 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:33PM (#15576582)
      SCO should make a reality show. A reality show about a company going to the ruin. Then we could get people to call in (1-900 number of course) to decide who they are going to sue next. I'm sure it'll be a hit. In fact, I'm of to the patent office right now. That's about the only way I see them making any money.
    • First prize... is a 12 cylinder BMW

      Second prize... is a hundred thousand dollars

      Third prize... we steal your code


      A Always
      B Be
      C Coding!

  • monkeyboy (Score:5, Funny)

    by namekuseijin ( 604504 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:04PM (#15576355)
    "developer, developers, developers..."

    use the Ballmer mantra, Darl. you have to sweat like a pig to convince your audience...
  • Ring Tones? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by neonprimetime ( 528653 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:05PM (#15576360)
    "SCO has gone through some rocky times. It's been a real roller coast ride the last few years," McBride said. But SCO is now focused on making mobile business transactions easier to implement. Ring tones for cell phones has become a $1 billion market, McBride noted.

    So they go from something meaningful to Ring Tones? That's one crazy roller coaster.
  • by TheDarkener ( 198348 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:05PM (#15576363) Homepage
    CLICK HERE and win a FREE IPOD!!!!!!!!111
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:06PM (#15576370)
    You can almost buy the company with that nowadays can't you?
  • by winkydink ( 650484 ) * <> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:06PM (#15576377) Homepage Journal
    Bite me!
  • by turbosk ( 73287 ) * on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:07PM (#15576385)
    A pox on any and all who would sign on to duh-arl's 2-bit shakedown fart of a company.
  • by tokki ( 604363 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:07PM (#15576391)
    Go fuck yourself.

  • by ThinkingInBinary ( 899485 ) <> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:08PM (#15576404) Homepage
    Linux is an open-source version of Unix designed for Intel chips.

    No, it's a clone of Unix, and it is no longer designed only for Intel chips. It was originally designed just for the 386, but now runs on anything, including your toaster.

    SCO is now concentrating on allowing businesses to create "biztones for quick distribution of business information, tied to business applications."

    What the hell is a "biztone"?! Is it some sort of ringtone for your cell phone where instead of ringing it goes, "Yeah, um, about those TPS reports..."?

    • instead of ringing it goes, "Yeah, um, about those TPS reports..."?

      You did get the memo, right?
  • by TLouden ( 677335 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:09PM (#15576410)
    ...and then give most of the money to the FOSS community. In fact, why not use that community to fund itself using this bounty?
  • by wiredlogic ( 135348 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:10PM (#15576413)
    It is inevitable that there will be a shareholder lawsuit as SCO makes its final circles around the drain before bankruptcy or liquidation. Darth Darl needs to make it look like he made his best effort at keeping the company afloat to have a chance of keeping all of his money.
  • Lost trust (Score:5, Interesting)

    by theonetruekeebler ( 60888 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:10PM (#15576418) Homepage Journal
    I don't think they will be able to find enough developers that will trust them. They're already trying to steal the work of countless others, the sentiment goes, why would we try to do business with them again?

    This is why their former customers are not going to be future customers, unless they're badly locked in on some 3rd party software. And non-customers will never become customers. Who wants to do business with somebody who'll sue you for moving to a competitor's product? It's like getting divorced from a gold-digger.

    • Re:Lost trust (Score:3, Interesting)

      I'm sure there are plenty of less-than-ethical developers who wouldn't scoff at the potential of a BMW (note the article says 10-cyclinder whereas the summary says 12-cylinder) or the $100,000. Developers don't own their work, so the question of stealing work becomes irrelevant. The relevant question is whether an SCO manager will just give the cash prize to his nephew.

      To reiterate: developers aren't clients so the trust question doesn't arise, or at least takes a different form.

  • Prisoners dilemma (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jbeaupre ( 752124 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:13PM (#15576440)
    Sounds like a versio of the prisoners dilemma / []

    Except in theis case it's developers avoiding working for SCO. But the less who do, the better the chances for someone else to get the prize. So there's an incentive to break ranks. Maybe be the one and only developer.

    Think of it as a lottery with your integrity against winning a fast car.
    • Re:Prisoners dilemma (Score:4, Interesting)

      by dbc001 ( 541033 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:26PM (#15576535)
      taking a grand from SCO doesn't have to cost you your integrity. there's no commit to do any development is there? just go through the training. sleep through it even! or is there some fine print that i missed?
      • by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @01:10PM (#15576858)
        taking a grand from SCO doesn't have to cost you your integrity. there's no commit to do any development is there? just go through the training. sleep through it even! or is there some fine print that i missed?

        You have a contractual relationship with a company that is on record for stating that contracts are to be used as weapons against their customers/partners/employees.

        Sign a contract with a venemously litigious company like SCO and unless you have a lot of capital to spend on lawyers (one hell of a lot more than the $1000 they're offering), SCO owns your ass (and any code you write might well be considered "tainted").
  • Not worth it. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by moultano ( 714440 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:14PM (#15576446)
    100,000 dollars would certainly be nice, but I think the potential loss of my immortal soul is the dealbreaker for me.
  • It's a trick! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:16PM (#15576462) Homepage Journal
    Sure sure, use their products to build your applications, and then they will give you your new shiny BMW and 100,000 bucks. And then they'll sue you for all your money and the BMW. This is just a trick, they want customers with money, so they can sue them. How do they actually get customers with money? Give them the money!

    I think they need a reality check: perpetual motion is not possible in this universe.

    Maybe this is just money laundering, they give you the money, write it off as expense. Then pay their lawyers by letting them to sue the people with the money and the BMWs.
    They must be avoiding taxes with this somehow!
  • Well... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Cleon ( 471197 ) <`moc.oohay' `ta' `24noelc'> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:18PM (#15576488) Homepage
    You gotta give 'em credit. It looks like SCO is finally trying to produce something more substantial than subpoenas.
  • by Target Practice ( 79470 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:19PM (#15576492)
    Those darn CRN folks, always leaving parts of the quotes out. Here's a reprint, I put Darl's original comments missing from the report in '[]'.

    "During the last 25 years, SCO has been committed to [destroying the reputability of] the Unix platform and continues to reaffirm its commitment [to make fools of ourselves while the rest of the world actually accomplishes something useful]," Darl McBride, SCO president, said in a teleconference Tuesday morning.

    I applaud him for finally admitting what his company has been doing. Of course, he can shove his BMWs up his /dev/null.
  • Sorry SCO (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mancat ( 831487 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:19PM (#15576495) Homepage
    It's not 1994 anymore. Nobody uses UnixWare or OpenServer. Those that do, probably want out as fast as possible. Your products are obsolete: Your hardware support sucks. Standards implementation sucks. Didn't you just get USB support in UnixWare a couple of years ago? Nobody is even worrying about whether or not their software will compile on your operating systems these days. You've alienated the entire Unix market systematically.

    You're DEAD. Get over it. File chapter 11 and liquidate those assets already.
    • Re:Sorry SCO (Score:5, Informative)

      by Brunellus ( 875635 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:31PM (#15576570) Homepage

      File chapter 11 and liquidate those assets already.

      I always thought that chapter 11 was "reorganization" and chapter 7 was "liquidation"

      • Re:Sorry SCO (Score:3, Informative)

        by Rey Willie ( 932990 )
        You are mostly correct. Chapter 7 bankruptcy is generally a controlled liquidation of the entire company (Ch. 7 also applies to certain personal bankruptcy cases). Chapter 11 is the "reorganization" chapter, where in theory, firms divest themselves of underperforming businesses, restructure their debt and return lean and mean. However, there are Chapter 11 cases where all of the assets of the business are sold in bulk, which looks a lot like a liquidation.

        Of course, this theory doesn't really reflect much o
    • Re:Sorry SCO (Score:5, Interesting)

      by irenaeous ( 898337 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:43PM (#15576660) Journal

      You are absolutely right. I worked on SCO systems as a contractor for TACO BELL for a few years programming and maintaining their back of house software used on PC's in the store. They had an effort to create a windows based in-store system, but that has been abandoned. Now, they are porting their back of house applications to SUSE Linux with a view to getting off of SCO systems as soon as they can. The same is true, I believe for their fellow Yum brands company, Pizza Hut.

      This latest move by SCO is desperation -- trying to find some new market in which to stay alive while their bread and butter UnixWare and OpenServer business withers and dies. SCO is going down.

    • by HighOrbit ( 631451 ) * on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @01:00PM (#15576789)
      Can somebody who has actually used either UnixWare or OpenServer say if they have any redeeming qualities at all? From what I've read, they are actually the least capable of the modern unixes or unix-clones, even on x86(except perhaps for minix - which was just a teaching project anyway). Is there any reason why anybody would choose UnixWare or OpenServer for a new deployment?

      It sounds like they think they have is a niffty middle-ware stack for cellphones and they want to use that as a hook for selling their Unix stuff. But if their middle-ware stack is so niffty that it would attract developers, why not port it to other systems to widen the audience and build a new business on that? That was the strategy taken by 'old SCO' aka Tarantella before they unloaded unix on Caldera.

      Can anybody comment (intelligently) on their middleware?
    • by Craig Ringer ( 302899 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @01:07PM (#15576838) Homepage Journal
      OpenServer (at least v5.0.5 which I have) is weird. It's better documented than Linux is and can ever hope to be - the docs are more consistent, more accurate, more complete, and better written. It's also incredibly stable in most ways - but with a few REALLY annoying quirks. As it's also stable in the same way a fossil is (What, buy and upgrade? Get bent), that's frustrating. It also has some incredibly annoying limitations, a set of developer tools so bad they boggle the mind (and the alternatives aren't great either - haven't got Skunkware's gcc WORKING yet), and some basic services we're used to just being there ... well ... aren't. Oh, and printing on SCO is one of the worst messes I've ever had the misfortune to work with - it makes Linux printing look like heaven, and it's pretty awful too. If you now feel the need to scour your eyes with steel wool, you're not alone.

      I maintain an OpenServer box for work only because of a legacy app that requires it. Well, strictly, the app requires Microsoft Xenix to run - it's from 1983 (!!) - but SCO OpenServer's XENIX kernel personality does the trick with a few quirks. OpenServer at least supports PCI, >16MB RAM, and >512MB disks, unlike XENIX. (OpenServer 5.0.5 actually supports up to 2TB disks/arrays, >137GB ATA disks, etc. Not bad for an OS from 1995). If it weren't for that need - which Linux can't satisfy even with the defunct ibcs project - I'd be rid of OpenServer in an instant. Linux 2.6 isn't as stable as I'd like, but that's worth it ... and there's always Solaris as an alternative.

      I can't imagine anybody buying OpenServer now. Its only purpose is legacy support. Unixware doesn't even have that. Before Sun released Solaris for free, they had a tiny sliver of hope from people who need more stability than Linux provides ... but with a free Solaris, they're just doomed. RHEL and so on help a fair bit with regards to stability in Linux too - something which also doesn't help SCO in the slightest.

      Even if their technology wasn't obsolete crap, who on earth would buy from a company that sues its own customers? Oh, wait, I use Microsoft software at work and I'm well aware of its involvement in the BSA & BSAA so that's no argument at all... but the obsolete crap point holds.
  • by SwedishChef ( 69313 ) <> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:22PM (#15576512) Homepage Journal
    and they can't wait for their apps to make the move to Linux. One customer - and this is an end user - is talking openly about the "end of SCO". Another moved to an application running on an IBM i5 (the modern version of the AS400). If there is any cost involved to an upgrade or a fix, SCO customers often just move on to another platform. There is now an entire mini-industry involved in converting data on SCO servers to some other server.

    Besides, even the latest versions of SCO/unix seriously suck. We swapped out a tape drive in one and it took days to get it running and required lots of phone time. Until I started on this project I had forgotten how difficult Linux was in 1993; that's where SCO is now.

    Plus no bash shell. No up-arrow command scrolling. Arggh!
  • Roller coast ride? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 10Ghz ( 453478 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:23PM (#15576513)
    "SCO has gone through some rocky times. It's been a real roller coast ride the last few years"

    "Roller coast ride" implies movement both up and down. So I don't think that the term applies to SCO. "Falling like a rock" is the term I had in mind.
  • by denis-The-menace ( 471988 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:24PM (#15576525)
    Now that the stock price is in free fall, He needs to have something to show that he and his cronies were not out to use SCO stock "Boiler Room" style ( when the stockholders sue. This way, he'll be able to say: "We tried to make a go at it and nobody wanted to develop for our platform...".
    • by Secrity ( 742221 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @01:08PM (#15576850)
      It what way do you mean "free fall" when speaking of SCO's stock price?

      SCO's stock is currently at $4.30, which is about where it has been since the the climax that occurred in 2004. Today's stock price is almost smack dab in the middle between the 52 week high and the 52 week low and today's trading volume so far has been 250 shares. Current price is the same as it was when it opened today. I would call this the doldrums rather than a "free fall". Large amounts of SCO's stock is held by a very few number of people and few outsiders want to buy any, which means that the stock trading volume is generally very low and the price is steady. I wonder if there is anything, short of losing two appeals after losing to IBM, that will significantly impact SCO's stock price.

    • by Clovert Agent ( 87154 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @03:17PM (#15577908)
      SCO criticism is mostly all valid, but this is just wrong. SCOX has been holding steady at ~4.20 for months and months - it's all insiders peddling tiny volume. It was in freefall, oh, a couple of years ago, but it's stable now and it ain't going anywhere. m&q=l&c= []

  • Darl's sadness (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Geno Z Heinlein ( 659438 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:25PM (#15576530)
    ... Darl McBride is looking to get Unix developers back onboard with cash incentives...

    Wow. When you have to pay a community reknowned for volunteerism and hacker fascination, that's just profoundly sad.

  • bmw, huh? (Score:5, Funny)

    by vortigern00 ( 443602 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:25PM (#15576534) Journal
    The winner of the bmw may notice that no matter how many times he washes it... it just won't come clean.
  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:28PM (#15576545) Homepage Journal
    SCO is also offering a 10-cylinder BMW car or a US$100,000 cash prize for the developers who use the toolkit to produce the best wireless applications

    I was kinda hoping they'd offer SCO Linux Licenses as the top prize. On the other hand, with $100K, you can buy 143 of them, at $699.00 each!!!

  • by tommasz ( 36259 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:30PM (#15576564)
    I was almost intrigued enough to head over to SCO's site just to see what "biztones" are, but then I realized I don't have all afternoon to scrub my browser clean.
  • Dear SCO (Score:5, Informative)

    by vinn ( 4370 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:34PM (#15576592) Homepage Journal
    Dear SCO:

    We don't like you. You don't play well with the other children on the playground. We think you're mean and we're not going to let you play dodgeball with us at recess.

    Besides that, your products are pretty awful. The only redeeming quality of Caldera Linux was that it was based on RedHat. That made it really easy to completely dump your distribution and go to RedHat when you guys got out of the Linux game. Your OpenServer product is the the most god awful piece of crap ever sold. It's so painful to work on that I'd rather just gouge out my eyes with a spoon.

    Please just go away.
  • by aapold ( 753705 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:38PM (#15576620) Homepage Journal
    • Some possibilities...
    • License revenue tracker
    • Legal Fund Donation App (allows people to make donations and track who donated what
    • Press goodwill scanner - monitors RSS feeds and gauges amount of positive and negative stories on a given subject
    • Job Search / Resume submitter combined app...

      • hmmm any others?
  • Mysql + SCO???? WTF (Score:3, Interesting)

    by brennz ( 715237 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:44PM (#15576670) []

    This is disgusting.

    Mysql AB should be ashamed of themselves for this blatant support of an OSS attacker.

    +better ANSI compliance
    +not a toy database
    +doesn't support SCO finances

    Make your move today!
  • by CodeMasterPhilzar ( 978639 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:49PM (#15576704)
    Let me see...

    I suppose I could develop an app on either my Red Hat or Suse boxes, then port it over to SCO. But you know, I'll just bet I'd have to pay about $700 for that "privilege."

    Then I'd submit it... I'll bet buried in the "contest" rules somewhere is a clause about their getting rights to use or expand on any or all submissions. So my IP would essentially become theirs.

    The only even remotely "up" side of this is that I'll bet my app would stand a fair chance of winning just 'cause there'll be so few entries.

    On second thought, maybe I'll just go buy $695 worth of lottery tickets and a six pack...

  • by W2k ( 540424 ) <wilhelm.svenseli ... m ['l.c' in gap]> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:52PM (#15576723) Homepage Journal
    It's actually a BMW M5 [], which has got a V10 engine. The article summary is wrong.
  • by sagei ( 131421 ) <rlove&rlove,org> on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:56PM (#15576753) Homepage
    I would like to hereby announce that I am porting my baby, NetworkManager [], to SCO in order to reap the $100,000 offer. We will easily make "best wireless application."
  • by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:57PM (#15576760) Homepage Journal
    Step 1: drop silly lawsuits
    Step 2: apologize
    Step 3: Entire executive team and anyone else who supported the lawsuits resign and disgourge yourself from any lawsuit-related profits, such as profits from short-selling.

    Do that, and I'll consider helping them out. Until then, they are blackballed.
  • Old joke (Score:3, Funny)

    by tbone1 ( 309237 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @12:58PM (#15576766) Homepage
    Naturally SCO would pick the BMW; it's the car of candy-@ss lawyer-thieves.

    What's the difference between a BMW and a porcupine?

    The porcupine has pricks on the outside.

    Thank you! I'm here all week! Tip your waitress! Help her back up!

  • Are you kidding? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by PhreakinPenguin ( 454482 ) * on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @01:36PM (#15577078) Homepage Journal
    After everything they've done to shit on open source, they have the balls to announce this? Unbelievable. And if anyone here participates in this then you should never speak about open source again. Nor should you ever bitch about anything MS does, because participating in this would be the biggest sellout of all time.
  • by Captain Sarcastic ( 109765 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @01:46PM (#15577146)
    Me, I'd worry that they'd hand you a cashier's check for $2,000,000 and ask you to send the change back to their new corporate office in Lagos.
  • by pbegley ( 84849 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @02:27PM (#15577487) Homepage
    Darl -

    Hi, its Paul. You don't remember me because you weren't associated with SCO at the time, but I was an SCO developer and beta tester 'back in the day'. I ran a public access SCO UNIX system in Philadelphia. I (helped) run the UNIX SIG on CompuServe and converted a bunch of applications so they ran on SCO platforms. On the commercial side, SCO UNIX ran construction management and engineering procurement software for a $500MM project (it no longer runs on SCO).

    Not any more, Darl. That ship has sailed. I'm a 50 year old, bald, bearded engineer and I'm mad as hell at you Darl. I will do anything in my power to make sure you fail. I grep'ed through old source code just to find prior art (and I still have source from 1984).

    I'm not alone Darl. We are the decision makers now. Money and cars don't cut it. Your goin' down, Darl, and the harder the better.

    Your pal,
  • by mlwmohawk ( 801821 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2006 @03:06PM (#15577830)
    I won't post the link, because SCO shouldn't boast "users" because of this, however.....

    Some nice items:
    "You must be a qualified developer with the .Net and Java development platforms, having developed on those platforms. You must be able to demonstrate proficiency with these platform languages and may be asked to submit an example of Java application you or your company has developed."

    So, they can say you are not qualified because they have given no criteria about what is or what is not qualified.

    You need this much machine:

    "a. Memory 768MB, HIGHLY recommend 1GB plus
    b. Windows XP Pro or Windows 2003 server (Windows XP Home will not work)
    c. Processor speed - faster the better, at minimum should be Pentium (P4 class) 1.8 - 2.0GHz plus.
    d. If firewall software is installed, it must be configurable.
    e. Need to be able to disable anti virus software"

    This would require having Windows XP Pro or 2K3 Server, no thanks.

    It would cost more than $1000 to get to vegas, stay at a hotel, make sure you have the software & hardware needed.

    So, $1000? Not worth it.

Can anyone remember when the times were not hard, and money not scarce?