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Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Insightful)
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Although, I'd say Jedi was better than Empire, so perhaps this is a phenomena specific to Lucas.
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Funny)
You had credibility up until that point.
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Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Interesting)
You want something really jaw-dropping? Lucas originally wrote that exchange with Solo replying "I love you too."
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Informative)
Some of the best lines from the original films were improvised by Harrison Ford.
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Insightful)
Some of the best parts of "Raiders", too. Like shooting the dude with the swords.
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Informative)
"You can write that shit, George, but you can't say it".
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Ford told Lucas during the filming of the original Star Wars - "You can write this shit, George, but you sure as hell can't say it".
Truer words have never been spoken.
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Insightful)
It's when the shit hits the fan. What's not to like?
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Interesting)
The first movie has to be good, otherwise the whole thing gets scrapped and you never see 2 or 3.
The second one is the story builder. Characteristically lacking in actual action, it typically features a lot of background information on characters and explanations to some of the craziness that happened in the first movie. It's actually a good thing in a way, because it gets all the boring stuff over with in one encapsulated package, so that you can enjoy the final movie.
The third one has to be good, because you just made your audience sit through a boring story builder, and they want either a great movie or your blood.
In the case of Star Wars, there was a lot of background that had to be given in Emperor Strikes Back before we could have Return of the Jedi. And while lots of people disagree, I think that Jedi kicked ass. If they tried to cram the required info from Empire Strikes Back into Jedi, it probably would have only been a mediocre movie.
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Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Insightful)
eg
Godfather: 1st good, 2nd better, 3rd crap
Matrix: 1st really good, next 2 crap
LotR: all 3 about the same, whether that's good or bad...
[won't repeat what someone posted below about Back to the Future, Terminator..]
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Insightful)
The only runner up was the final fight from Ep III, and that was mostly because of the 3-decade build-up to it. It was a cool scene, but Lucas lost his best dramatic flair somewhere between the first and second trilogy.
Ep I had probably the most exciting fight, but that's not the same thing. It was more like "Crouching Jedi, Hidden Sithlord" than Star Wars.
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Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Informative)
Geez...for me it was Princess Leia in the gold bikini....you could almost see up her skirt when she swung with Luke off Jabba's 'boat'.....
10 Reason's I love empire (Score:5, Insightful)
1. I think Empire has the best Photography. Every frame is perfect.
2. The best Music. John Williams is the best but and the Imperial March is my favorite.
3. the Battle of Hoth. Snow speeders vs walkers.
4. Ion Cannons on Hoth. "Stand by Ion control"
5. snow monster is scary because of what you don't see.
6. Yoda. I believe the best non human character ever. Yoda was pulled off thanks to Frank Oz.
7. Asteroid field ship eating monster.
8. Cloud city Duel Luke vs Vader. Beautifully and energetically shot.
9. "Luke, I am your father!"
10. I love how the movie closes Luke with his new bionic hand and Leia on the medical ship with the robots. It leaves me with a feeling i don't often get at movies. I can't completely explain all of the reasons it's my favorite.
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Empire is also classic tha
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Informative)
That is something Douglas Adams was rather good at.
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Yes, but that played well in the Southern United States...
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Insightful)
As to why Empire is exciting - the bad guys win. It's really that simple.
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Insightful)
I enjoyed the star wars movies when I was younger, and yes Lucas had a little less control and the special effects were more limited, but they were still from any empirical point of view, terrible movies. I enjoy them today because I revisit those feelings of being younger, but I can also, as an older person realize that the acting was mostly shyte, the dialogue was shyte, the special effects were as much as the technology allowed and the story was overly simplistic. The original movies also contained ewoks.
Lucas hasn't changed, he hasn't raped your childhood, you've stopped being a child and just like you don't like bubblegum flavoured ice cream anymore you probably don't like badly acted cheesy pap anymore.
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Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Interesting)
I also can't for the life of me figure out the chronology of it. Assuming there aren't relativity issues -
- Luke/R2 and The Falcon blast away from Hoth
- Luke heads for Dagobah
- Falcon attempts Hyperspace & fails
- Falcon hides out in an asteroid for a bit, escapes a space worm, clamps itself to the side of a Star Destroyer for a bit and then heads for Bespin
In those two (?) days, Luke gets all his Jedi training and then heads for Bespin himself???
How can Luke get all that training in the short period of time the Falcon is bumbling around an Asteroid field?
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And the Falcon is a Cargo Ship, chances are they had a few supplies on board, as far as food and fuel.
[geek-version]In the West End Games version of the Star Wars RPG, YT-1300s have storage for 2 months 'consumables' (I always assume fuel and food, etc) standard, in addition to the Cargo Space. [/geek version] (I don't have the distance charts memorized, I'm not quite 'that'
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What Exactly Is The Problem? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Funny)
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Answered your own question. (Score:3, Interesting)
Hmmmmn, do you think it bores the rest of the population?
I never got why T2 was so big.
Do you now?
Re:Raiders of the Lost Ark (Score:5, Funny)
No way, man. Star Trek - Save the Whales was the absolute pinnacle of Star Trek movies.
Transparent aluminum and hippie Spock, what's not to like?
KAAAAHHHHNNNN!!!1!!one!!!eleven!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
It's KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNN!!!! not Kharn.
Khan, as in Gengis and Chaka.
Not Kharn as in Kharn the Betrayer of the World Eaters legion of the Chaos Space Marines of Warhammer 40K.
I hereby revoke your geek creditials.
Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Funny)
When someone finally invents time travel, please (after killing Hitler, of course) go back to around 1982ish and destroy all traces of George Lucas.
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:4, Funny)
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When someone finally invents time travel, please (after killing Hitler, of course)...
You gonna find time to date your mom, too?
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Insightful)
Go to The Pirate Bay and put "Guy Maddin" in the search box. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Now, pick the Guy Maddin films that have the most seeders and download (uTorrent works well).
Now, watch it when it's done downloading. If you're a little bit limited in the imagination department (which I'm afraid a lot of you may be), you might have to watch more than once, but I guarantee your mind will be a little bit expanded by the experience. It's not so much that the movies themselves are fantastic, but there's a real creative, talented person behind the camera, who puts a little thought into what he's doing. It may just change the way you think about movies. You could find that there is more to cinema than a shared cultural experience dictated by enormous publicity budgets and billboards on the sides of buses.
If that doesn't work, find The Piano Tuner of Earthquakes by the Quay Bros, or even Southland Tales. Stop thinking you have to spend your money on blockbuster Indiana Jones dreck just because the first movie was exciting when you were twelve and every media outlet in the country is pushing Indiana Jones press releases.
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Funny)
Now, pick the Guy Maddin films that have the most seeders and download (uTorrent works well).
Now, watch it when it's done downloading.
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:5, Insightful)
There are many different factors that make something "good", or "fun", or "entertaining". Having a snobbish attitude towards anything that doesn't fall into the little subset of culture that you've chosen to enjoy is not the best way to convince other people.
Re:Temple of the Crystal Skull (Score:4, Funny)
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And come on, the fridge is beyond ridiculous. I wouldn't even let that BS slide in a Batman comic book, let alone an Indy movie.
It's no more ridiculous than accidentally discovering a hidden secret temple where guys rip still-beating hearts out (while the victim continues to live before being burned alive), drinking blood that makes you go insane right up until you snap out of it just in the nick of time, then ride a miles-long mine cart with people shooting at you while clearing a massive jump only to come to the end and realize that thousands of gallons of water will come catching up to you in no time so you escape to a cliff fac
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Wrong option (Score:2, Informative)
Crystal Skulls was good (Score:2)
Re:Crystal Skulls was good (Score:5, Insightful)
If they did anything wrong, they explained too much (which could maybe apply to Last Crusade as well). The rest of the film was classic Indy though.
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This Indiana seemed phoned in, it seemed like no-one cared one iota about what was being made. It was a load of bollocks thrown together without humour or love.
I got the impression... (Score:5, Interesting)
*****SPOILER WARNING: DO NOT CONTINUE IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS******
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I thought that was the whole point of him NOT getting to put on the hat in the final scene. I took that to mean, "Nope, sorry kid. Indiana Jones ends right here. Go make your own legacy."
Maybe I'm reading too much into it?
I must be getting old (Score:3, Interesting)
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That's funny. I had a very similiar experience. I kept thinking "this is ridiculous". Then I remembered the first three. Then I enjoyed this one even less. There's ridiculous, and then there's just bad.
Can't vote for it if you haven't seen it (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Can't vote for it if you haven't seen it (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Can't vote for it if you haven't seen it (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, but unlike those other articles, Indiana Jones is important!
Crusade all the way! (Score:2, Funny)
Temple of Doom for FX (Score:5, Funny)
Actually.. (Score:2, Funny)
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Raiders, hands down (Score:4, Interesting)
Similar results. (Score:2)
Fate of Atlantis (Score:5, Interesting)
this one. and a much better story than crystal skull. too bad it was never filmed.
As long as we're talking about George Lucas... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:As long as we're talking about George Lucas... (Score:5, Funny)
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Choose, but choose wisely. (Score:4, Funny)
The others will take it from you...
Marian Ravenwood is still hot. (Score:3, Insightful)
Fucking Temple of Doom (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Fucking Temple of Doom (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, but ask me as a German what my experiences with 1 and 3 are ;-)
But seriously, Temple of the Doom is a horrible example of orientalism [wikipedia.org] and its reanimation of the colonial topos of Thugism [wikipedia.org] is a shame. It is as if the book was written in the 1930s and not in the post-colonial 80s.
But then it's surely not the only dangerously naive flick that crept out of Hollywood.
Well, nevermind. Namaskar.
Young Indy. (Score:5, Interesting)
I know there are DVDs you can get, but for some reason I cannot wrap my head around, Lucasfilm saw fit to chop out all of the five-minute book-end sequences featuring Old Indy. Without the eye-patched, crotchety version of Jones doddering around town trying to tell his tall tales to anybody who would listen, the stories lose all of their kick, reduced to baffling accounts with no context or reason for being. It's amazing what five minutes of gnarly old man can do for a story!
The fact that you actually cannot get the episodes in their original glory is a terrible waste. They were utterly stunning! Though the lack of context makes it almost impossible for the viewer to shift properly into the story world, it's not for lack of brilliance in the material itself. The episode featuring Dr. Albert Schweitzer blew my mind.
It's the middle of WWI, and Indy has wound up in the middle of Africa. He and Schweitzer, having been called up the Amazon to heal the sick son of a tribal leader are sitting around a fire with members of the tribe. (This is from my memory.)
They hired on a series of top-flight writers and researchers to come up with the scripts, shot them at great effort and expense, traveling to all over the world to shoot on location. And then they were barely given any airtime, (I remember my local station pre-empting a third of them for football games!), and then finally, gutted them for a half-baked VHS release.
They were just too good for this world I guess, and had to be put down.
-FL
Re:Young Indy. (Score:5, Funny)
Tickets please. (Score:5, Funny)
Crystal Skull (Score:3, Insightful)
Skull better than Doom (Score:4, Insightful)
But, you've got to recognize that the Crystal Skull is all around a better ride than Temple of Doom.
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Those Hebrews sure knew how to make a Hollywood-ready relic!
Re:Crystal Skull . . . Pffft (Score:5, Insightful)
Crystal Skull was bad: inane prairie dog moments, a magnet which has exponentially more power after being taken out of a wooden casket, Indy survives a nuclear explosion inside a refrigerator (after the refrigerator being flown miles by said explosion to boot), the villain wasn't evil enough, etc.
I think I liked the original Stargate movie better than this one. That should be telling all in itself. I suggest watching National Treasure instead.
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"the villain wasn't evil enough"
Yeah, I think she could have cracked the whip a bit more like Lucy Liu in Charlie's Angels. That would have been cool.
The characters could have used more development; as it was they were largely shallow and superficial.
Re:Crystal Skull . . . Pffft (Score:5, Insightful)
The prairie dogs were a lil CG but not otherwise bad. It was explained that it wasn't a magnet - crystals and gold not being magnetic. The fridge gag was amusing and no more improbable than other Indy movies. I thought the villain was fine.
You forgot to mention the silly vine swinging gag. Again silly but acceptable.
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Re:Temple of Doom? (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not going to argue it was the very best, but for a kid my age it was awesome. But at the time I also thought the ewok movies were some of the best ever.
Re:Temple of Doom? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Temple of Doom? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Temple of Doom? (Score:5, Funny)
If you think Temple of Doom could be a legitimate vote, why are you pointing out arguments for the opposite view?
Re:Temple of Doom? (Score:4, Funny)
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* intro scene with Kate Capshaw lip-syncing
* palace scenes after the dinner, skip the fight
* ripped-out heart (because it's badass)
* the last part after Kate Capshaw got doused with water... hey I was a teenager at the time so I have 'fond' memories. Hormones ok?
The Temple of Doom drinking game, drink when Kate Capshaw screams, would suck becaus
I prefer Prof. Henry Jones' quote . . . (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sallah/Indy Banter (Score:5, Funny)
-ROTLA
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