The way I define it means that if a tree falls in the forest but no one was there to hear it, it still made a sound.

On another note- what about "turns"? Are they immutably individualized per person or are they a generic, ephemeral, transferable thing?

For example, if 4 of us are playing Risk or Monopoly and I decide not to take my turn, is the next person who plays taking "my" turn or is he taking his? After all, my turn wasn't taken, and I was next, so the next turn that's taken must be mine, right? Or he taking both? (No, he can't take both since he only gets one move or action, so what happened to "my" turn? Where did it go?)

Does the "turn" only instantiate and get played when the supposed "owner" takes it and uses it?
Can I actually "give up" my turn? If I do, does the next player "inherit" my turn or does my turn just disappear? Or does it wait in limbo until I finally play it?

Rumor is Apple is planning to rebrand their highest-end 2019 phone as the "iPhone Pro", which if true will indicate they've totally disconnected that word from any real world meaning... not that those connections aren't already strained near the breaking point already.

I wonder if, internally at Apple, PRO now stands for "pricey rip off".

but the folks who make Google change policy aren't "very good", they're irreplaceable. Google doesn't have a company without them. In 10 years when their NDAs run out and they've been working for competitors Google ceases to exist.

There aren't very many employees in this world like that, but a disproportionate amount of them work at Google. That's why this keeps happening.

first and foremost we should have laws that force companies to put employees on the board of directors. Companies get all sorts of special privileges by incorporating. It's time they _earn_ those privileges.

Second, even if you don't agree that those privileges should be earned and instead are somehow inherent rights; The employees are free to quit. Google is listening to them because they're threatening just that. Unless you've become pro-slavery then they have a right to do just that.

I don't really need high-fidelity audio from my computer, as I only use it for one-off activities. But I own a set of Pixel USB-C earbuds for this purpose. They work beautifully on both my phone and my computer. They came with my Pixel phone. But you can buy them separately for $30.

They are better than any earbuds that I personally owned before (although I of course know that you can buy even better ones). So, I really don't have a problem with not having a 3.5mm plug.

As far as I can tell, no manufacturer has added a bigger battery that takes up as much additional space as was gained by the removal of the headphones jack. And I doubt it would amount to anything in a laptop.

I don't want a thinner phone or laptop. My Galaxy s3 and now s5 were both too thin for me to hold comfortably so I added cases. My last 4 laptops have been Dell Precision M. They are more of a mobile workstation as I need a large screen and power more than I need thin and dainty. A couple laptops back they weighed 12 lbs. My current one is down to 7 lbs. I see no advantage to the headphones jack being removed, but a hell of a lot of problems/annoyances if it is.

"nobody advocates for not enforcing the law" Only politicians avoid speaking that out loud. There are huge numbers of left leaning voters that think it's ok.
 
Anyway, what right does an illegal have to due process? That is a right extended to the citizens of this country, not a skirt to hide behind for anyone who makes it over the border. What reading comprehension failure causes people to not understand the word "illegal". You want change? Change the laws. You don't demand we ignore the laws because you don't like them.
 
I get it, there are a lot of illegals that come here and are law abiding and contribute to our country. That doesn't change the fact that they started with an illegal act. It's even WORSE when the person has been here 20 years. They had more than enough time to seek citizenship. Tolerating vast numbers of illegals is a slap in the face to every immigrant that did it the right way. If I rob a bank then spend the money on charities for the next 20 years, should I be given a pass on the bank robbery?
 
The uproar over the wall is even more retarded. Kicking out illegals is political suicide. If we're too scared to kick them out, the only recourse is to stop any more from getting in. I don't see much protest over those lovely Israeli walls keeping people out. Somehow it's evil when America does it, and ensuring safety when others do it.

little niceties like that aren't on your mind. And as several other posters have already pointed out they don't need to be.

Also, these people are literally fleeing violence _we_ caused. Meanwhile while you support Donald Trump putting the screws on actual violence fleeing refugees fleeing violence caused by _your_ government Trump's administration (with the help of right wing Democrats and the GOP) just passed a resolution making it easier to bring in Indian tech workers on top of several resolutions increasing H1-B caps.

Face it, you're getting played. The sooner you realize that the threat to your life isn't a few brown folk fleeing violence but a few billionaires screwing you out of good paying jobs the sooner you can join me in fixing all this shit. Seriously, if we stop voting for imperialist right wingers who fuck with South America for cheap oil and fruit those refugees will stop coming! Nobody walks 1000 miles with kids in tow for "a better life". They do it because they think (rightly) they're about to get killed.

Yes, all the time, because Windows 10's handling of Bluetooth audio devices sucks, the 3.5mm jack is bulletproof, and if any manufacturer tries to claim the 3.5mm jack is hindering their innovation that is clearly bs. Here's why it sucks more detail: https://www.howtogeek.com/3543...

On my desk I have speakers plugged into the jack and usually keep headphones plugged into the speakers. But if the jack wasn't there I would have USB speakers, so the question is kind of pointless.

In the living room we have bluetooth speakers connected to a phone or tablet, so the question is kind of pointless there too.

I don't use democrat ports. You know why, right? Of course you do, who am I kidding? Because democrats double dip! You ask a democrat for a headphone jack, he'll charge you an arm and a leg, if not take your organs when you aren't. You send your wife back the next day to pick it up (I don't let the democrats anywhere near melania) and the democrats say, guess what? You have to pay again. And you say, but I already paid. And they say well, where's your finalized receipt? And you say what is a finalized receipt? Here's my receipt. Oh but that's not a finalized receipt. What in the love of God is a finalized receipt? How many of you have gone down to the corner store, and gotten a "finalized" receipt? Something some crook cooked up, right? So, of course you don't have a finalized receipt, because there's no such thing as a finalized receipt! Probably something someone Joe Biden knows cooked up. Finalized receipt. Anyway, so of course you don't have a finalized receipt. What's next? A fulfillment receipt? A bill of lading? A shipping manifest? A tracking number? I got a receipt! Democrats, my friends, democrats. I love America, I gotta tell ya, I really deeply love America. But the democrats. The democrats will lick the brass off your toilet bowl handle if you don't watch them. Good night! Thank you!

There is a cream for that.

Work in the entertainment industry over here - audiobuds - bluetooth is no substitute for PRO Audio when checking mixes and details. Use headphone jack everyday

Agree. Although I believe the day is coming where for a phone replacement, no jack will be the norm and impossible to avoid.

I stopped trusting creditkarma when I tried to do my taxes from them, and it had a clear error that was liable to cost their customers a lot of money and potentially legal troubles (it had to do with them calculating the same value in two different ways, getting two wildly different answers, for itemization, such that it would tell you that you were better off not itemizing, but when you clicked itemizing, you were clearly better off by thousands of dollars).

No matter how I tried to hammer it through support, they just basically told me I was holding it wrong and referred me to the relevant tax code.

They were incompetent enough to fuck up the taxes, and to ignore bug reports on the taxes. All of their competitors made the calculation correctly, I fact I pointed out to them. What other bug reports are they ignoring? I'm not writing them off forever but I need to see affirmative evidence of change before I'm going to trust them with anything important.

Hello,

I use the headphone jack in my laptop, as well as in my desktop and my smartphone when I am listening to music. Bothering co-workers and fellow passengers by blasting out your music is rude and annoying.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

A laptop with decent processing power and use will generate heat. I prefer a mid size model with power and cooling plus reasonable battery. So Plenty of space for a 3.5mm headphone port. Tablets and phones can omit since ultra portable. Wireless or dongles ok.

I don't use the one on my desktop, because I use a USB device (M-Audio Mobile Pre USB 1st gen) which provides much higher quality. It's plugged into a special double-isolated USB port on my mainboard, and my PC is plugged into an Isobar 4. I have Sennheiser HD420 open air headphones plugged into the USB audio device.

But on my laptop, hell yes I use the headphone jack. The built-in speakers are total garbage, and I don't want to dick with charging headphones.

Ego
People think that because they work for google that their opinion carries more weight.
If that is not egotistical I don't know what is (well I could probably think of an example, but my ego is not big enough to bother).
All lonely 70 employees can go forth and multiply and will be replaced in about 70 seconds.
But seriously, only 70? I mean if google had only 120 employees I would say that the company felt that way, but 70, out of thousands?
So the 70 deluded idiots who suck up mainstream media managed to sign something.
Whoopdeedoo.


P.S. To the 70, I have a bridge to sell you, real cheap, it's a steal, you can stick a banner on it and everything.

My first thought was - yea, that's what a nuclear bomb is supposed to do, blow up.

An Isotope engine. Interesting.

go look up the treaties. Where ever they enter _is_ the point of entry from a legal stand point.

That's the part that Fox News always likes to leave out. Technically correct is NOT the best kind of correct. It's a lie by omission.

Also, if I may digress, let's not forget these refugees are fleeing violence _we_ caused. It's like lighting a house on fire and shooting the parents and kids when they flee.

I don't use the jack directly on my work laptop, I use the jack on the docking station for my laptop at work. I don't generally use the one on my personal laptop at home, because I have much better sound reproduction equipment available in my home. I do use the one on my mobile phone, in case I want to listen to anything on the go.

Since I ended up going high quality wireless headphones as "forced" by the phone's lack of jack, I end up just listening to music off my phone while my phone is plugged into my laptop.
Too much of a hassle to switch Bluetooth between laptop and phone. Which is actually what I find the biggest shortcoming of Bluetooth protocol or at least devices currently.

I gotta say, I really enjoy the lack of wires and not having so many buds that always fall out. Though I was taken somewhat kicking and screaming through the process.

The main downside I find from phones getting rid of the jack is a few more people just play stuff through their phone speakers in public giving us the joy of their tinny music or action scene.

I totally agree with your whole list of reasons. Also, ditching the headphone jack for more battery? It's a laptop, that won't be enough extra battery to matter.

And wireless is NOT a great solution for headphones ... on my laptop or on my phone. No headphone jack and I'm not buying it.

... use 3.5mm headphones.

I spend a lot of time there and Bluetooth headphones don't typically hold a charge for that long.

For smartphones and tablets and TV, I use Bluetooth.

When I'm out and about, I often take my headset with me, so I can communicate with wherever I need to. I invested in a decent one (a nicer Sennheiser) as it gives a great sound, and actually lets me understand what's being spoken (I have enough trouble with that, without having to fight through bad speakers).
I can wear the headset all day if necessary, and being wired, it'll never run out of charge.

I can sort of understand the use case of removing a 3.5mm jack from a phone, but from a laptop/PC, there's not much point in removing it, and lots to lose by doing so.

I use the headphone jack on my laptop frequently. I would use it more often if Ubuntu reliably played audio through it. Disco Dingo (as well as 18.04 and 18.10) doesn't detect that speakers are plugged in at boot time, and is unreliable about routing audio correctly when I unplug and replug them.

the real problem is they dont just have a policy of 'shut the fuck up about politics in the place of work' and then fire the motherfuckers that cross that line. Companies should be switzerland. These fucking snowflakes bitch about companies running the government and elected officials being beholden to special interest groups, and corporations. Then out of the other side of their big fat two-faced mouth, they make these demands. I say introduce those asshats to a soup kitchen line. In CA that should only take about half a paycheck the way that state has fucked up their economics.

It's better sound than Bluetooth. It doesn't require charging. There are no software glitches. The headsets are much cheaper (disposable). It always works.

"My phone app is written in Fortran!" didn't work at the last party.

It is time to purge! Real Americans must band together.All of them should be fired and then put in internment camps and disposed of as the traitors to the nation that they are.

My proposal is to actually reunite them with their parents once the case is adjudicated instead of losing track of the children entirely. If the parent is released from custody pending court appearance? Kid goes with them. Parent gets deported? Kid goes with them. Parent granted asylum? They get their kid back too.

In a lot of cases they are reuniting parents with kids after a period of time, but let's not pretend it's not being done in the first place out of punitive dickishness. Stephen Miller admitted as much (that it was implemented for "deterrent" purposes).

So yeah, my proposal is to stop legally sanctioned kidnapping of children. Sound reasonable?

they're not illegals if they're seeking asylum. International law that _we_signed_and_made_law_ gives them the right to apply for asylum here and here's the important part: it doesn't matter how they got into the country.

We can deny them asylum and ship them back where they came from, but until we do that (in full accordance with the law) we must treat them fairly and humanely. We cannot separate them from their children like criminals because they are not criminals.

And never mind that most of these refugees are fleeing violence that we caused. Seriously, look up the origins of MS-13 and go watch some videos from Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube...

If you disagree get the US out of the treaties. Of course at the rate we're going you're gonna wish we stayed in when you're stuck fleeing the country yourself. You do realize this is EXACTLY how the Nazis got started, right? Again, look it up. Their concentration camps started out housing refugees. It took 20 years before they were shoving people into ovens. Better hope you and your family are "pure" enough to pass the test, and that you're not lumped in with the degenerates for some arbitrary reason.

So to summarize:

1. The only criminals here are in the current administration who are ignoring treaties we signed that have the constitutionally mandated force of law.

2. We are literally following a path laid out by Nazis that has every possibility to end in a genocide.

Eating small pills in a dimly lit room with a maze and drony electronic sounds? Gotta protect the kids from drugs!

We've been assured many times right here on /. that Big Pharma doesn't want to cure diseases. But there it is.