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RIAA Claims Ownership of All Artist Royalties For Internet Radio

Posted by Zonk on Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:22 AM
from the isn't-that-called-stealing dept.
ISurfTooMuch writes "With the furor over the impending rate hike for Internet radio stations, wouldn't a good solution be for streaming internet stations to simply not play RIAA-affiliated labels' music and focus on independent artists? Sounds good, except that the RIAA's affiliate organization SoundExchange claims it has the right to collect royalties for any artist, no matter if they have signed with an RIAA label or not. 'SoundExchange (the RIAA) considers any digital performance of a song as falling under their compulsory license. If any artist records a song, SoundExchange has the right to collect royalties for its performance on Internet radio. Artists can offer to download their music for free, but they cannot offer their songs to Internet radio for free ... So how it works is that SoundExchange collects money through compulsory royalties from Webcasters and holds onto the money. If a label or artist wants their share of the money, they must become a member of SoundExchange and pay a fee to collect their royalties.'"

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An anonymous reader writes "Wired is reporting that the Internet Radio Equality Act is failing fast in the House, with negotiations breaking down over fair pricing for internet radio broadcasters. 'A legislative setback could make it harder to dislodge the new fees, which took effect last month after a federal appeals court refused to postpone the payment deadline. With the threat of congressional backlash fading, SoundExchange could find little incentive to budge from its current position ... SoundExchange has already proposed changes that could relieve small and custom-streaming sites from charges they could not possibly afford to pay, at least in the short term. Many expect a small-webcaster deal to be done by early September, when Congress goes back into session. But the deal on the table hasn't changed since SoundExchange extended an offer in May to charge them 10 percent of gross revenue under $250,000, or 12 percent of gross revenues over $250,000, with a revenue cap at $1.25 million.'" All very cushy for SoundExchange. Wired also points out that this is the same organization illegally lobbying for terrestrial radio royalties through 'third party' shell groups.
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  • when I was a young boy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by yagu (721525) * <yayagu AT gmail DOT com> on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:26AM (#18916211)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday August 15, @03:36PM)

    When I was young, my Dad told me the RIAA was good because they took care to ensure our music was reproduced with as high fidelity as possible. For example, the RIAA worked with the recording industry to establish techniques and standards for "storing" bass on vinyl by attenuating it, but incorporating offsetting amplification to restore the bass to its correct presence allowing for more music on a single vinyl disk. Thus the RIAA was there to ensure or help ensure the best possible music experience.

    Oh how things seemed to have changed. I don't know if my Dad was correct (I didn't do the research), but regardless, the RIAA certainly seems to be the antithesis to the "old" RIAA. Today the RIAA sounds more and more like organized crime, except that to date, for some reason, every thing they do seems to be deemed legal.

    So, it seems the RIAA has become evil. It's probably time people tried to fulfill their musical quests elsewhere as much as it may be possible. If you still need and want to listen to Janet Jackson, so be it, but:

    Someone on slashdot turned me onto this before, I feel it important others check it out... I've signed up and have been a member of emusic [emusic.com] for a while now, and now have over 300 non-drm'ed mp3s and love it. And, I don't have to worry about the RIAA, at least I don't think I do. After reading their staked "claims" in the article, I'm not so sure. Regardless, should it actually be so, check emusic out.

    • Re:when I was a young boy (Score:5, Interesting)

      by omeomi (675045) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:49AM (#18916373)
      (http://zulupad.gersic.com/)
      For example, the RIAA worked with the recording industry to establish techniques and standards for "storing" bass on vinyl by attenuating it, but incorporating offsetting amplification to restore the bass to its correct presence allowing for more music on a single vinyl disk. Thus the RIAA was there to ensure or help ensure the best possible music experience.

      I believe what you're referring to is usually called RIAA equalization [wikipedia.org], or the RIAA curve.
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      • Re:RIAA Curve (Score:5, Interesting)

        by scalarscience (961494) on Sunday April 29 2007, @04:12AM (#18917231)
        The RIAA was lawyers back then as well. The reason that the phono preamp filter/eq has the name 'RIAA curve' is because they PATENTED it and used it to control who had access to recording technology able to cut vinyl using their patent. There were several successful recording studios in Texas and Louisiana who recorded some well known Jazz artists due to the 'Hollywood effect'. Ie, they were far enough away from the upper East Coast that they were able to avoid the long arm of the RIAA and so artists would go there to get recorded when they couldn't in NYC or surrounding areas.

        Sounds like an apt forerunner of the RIAA we know today...
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    • Re:when I was a young boy (Score:5, Informative)

      by mrcdeckard (810717) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:00AM (#18916433)
      (http://christopherdeckard.com/)

      your father was correct. in fact, as another poster mentioned, the eq curve still bears the name of the organization (RIAA EQ CURVE), and basically describes how vinyl should be "encoded" during mastering, and "decoded" during playback.

      it's an issue with vinyl, because if the cutting head moves too much (from bass frequencies), it can actually cut into the adjacent groove, so you can compensate by turning the head in more each turn, but the storage capacity (length of time) suffers.

      interestingly, how bass energy is dealt with today is super duper limiting -- this can almost be thought of as dynamic eq, but it's not. it takes place in the time domain rather than the frequency, but when a blip of low end energy hits the limiter, it turns it down -- coupled with the make up gain, this effectively turns everything else up.

      this is why modern music SOUNDS LIKE ALL CAPS.

      mr c
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    • Re:when I was a young boy by iminplaya (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:42AM
    • Re:when I was a young boy (Score:5, Funny)

      by binarybum (468664) on Sunday April 29 2007, @02:43AM (#18916921)
      (http://slashdot.org/)
      funny, must be a generation gap thing - when I was young my Dad told me the RIAA ate children my size and used their bones to make soup, and that if I didn't shut my mouth and clean my room that the RIAA would come for me.
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    • Re:when I was a young boy (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Workaphobia (931620) on Sunday April 29 2007, @06:03AM (#18917629)
      (Last Journal: Tuesday August 22 2006, @10:59PM)
      > "Someone on slashdot turned me onto this before, I feel it important others check it out... I've signed up and have been a member of emusic for a while now, and now have over 300 non-drm'ed mp3s and love it. And, I don't have to worry about the RIAA, at least I don't think I do."

      eMusic comes up regularly on Slashdot, and every time it does, I try to mention Magnatune.com [slashdot.org]. Yes, eMusic has DRM-free music and a decent selection (from what I hear, I never subscribed), but Magnatune has that plus the ideology. While the former got rid of DRM as a business decision in order to enter an under-exploited market, the latter is actually trying to change the face of music in the internet age.

      Magnatune's policies include: No DRM, multiple free formats, medium quality songs distributable for free (the full-length samples are Creative Commons licensed!), choose your own price, 50-50 split between label and artist, and more. Check out the info link for details.

      Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Magnatune, I simply am a very satisfied customer.
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    • Re:when I was a young boy by Yetihehe (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:05AM
    • Real Piracy by The_Wilschon (Score:3) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:02PM
    • Other great sites. by Irvu (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:03PM
    • Re:when I was a young boy by vuffi_raa (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @09:24AM
    • Re:when I was a young boy by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:03AM
      • Re:when I was a young boy (Score:5, Interesting)

        by NoTheory (580275) on Sunday April 29 2007, @02:30AM (#18916887)
        Try again [wikipedia.org], AC :P

        I'm not clear that this would fall under RICO, and none of my lawyer (or law student) friends are awake at this hour. I'm not clear that you're allowed to take payment for someone who has not given you the right to do so. I'm certain that such a scheme could be legalized by the US Government (i.e. designate a single authority to handle some particular issue [ICANN for instance]), but a random corporation just reaching out and grabbing it is pretty fucking brazen. But given their relations with their sock puppets over at FCC, it's still a possibility i suppose.
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        • Outright theft (Score:5, Insightful)

          by sjames (1099) on Sunday April 29 2007, @08:16AM (#18918139)
          (http://www.linuxlabs.com)

          Their claim is nothing short of outright theft. They might as well declare themselves to be the agents for your gas and electric service and insist you write the checks to them. I'll bet that would last about two seconds before they got sued and criminally charged in every state.

          If I create some sort of internet radio content, and I want to make private arrangements with one or several netcasters to stream that content (perhaps for free), that's none of the RIAA's business. If I want to be paid, who is RIAA to interfere with my right to enter into agreement with a 3rd party of my choice to collect fees for me?

          How is RIAA collecting (extorting) money for playing MY content any different than me downloading a bunch of their songs, pressing CDs and selling them on the street corner? Naturally, if they want to join my club, I'll forward their share to them after I deduct reasonable expenses ( new Ferrari, yacht, etc), handling fees (30%), slotting fees (30%), modest salary for myself (1,000,000/year), and of course, a promotion fee (30%). By clicking "I agree" on absolutely any eula ever, the RIAA has already agreed that any civil or criminal issues surrounding this agreement will be handled by arbitration (naturally, I'll be the arbitrator).

          Remember, when a corporation speaks of the importance of obeying the law, about 90% of the time there is an implied "when it's in our favor only". Like any thief, the RIAA wants immediate legal action when someone steals from them while believing at the same time that when they steal it's a natural right.

          While I'm at it, I think I'll represent that guy who patented the wheel too. Those CDs and records look awefully wheel like. $1 each (retroactively) should about cover it. The wheel patent guy can call me for his 10% cut.

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          • RTFA (Score:5, Insightful)

            by GodInHell (258915) * on Sunday April 29 2007, @09:59AM (#18918695)
            (http://slashdot.org/~GodInHell/journal/)

            "The recent U.S. Copyright Office ruling regarding webcasting designated SoundExchange to collect and distribute to all nonmembers as well as its members. The Librarian of Congress issued his decision with rates and terms to govern the compulsory license for webcasters (Internet-only radio) and simulcastors (retransmissions)." (http://soundexchange.com/faq.html#b4)
            The U.S. Gov't gave themt he right to do this. It's not theft, it's not criminal, it's just corrupt. Your anger should not be aimed at the unnelected construct of law who's only legal purpose for existing is profit - it should be aimed at the assholes in gov't who did this. I'll bet you your congressman dosen't know about this.. maybe you should tell him.


            -GiH

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            • Re:RTFA by bluepinstripe (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:29PM
              • Re:RTFA by Mark Programmer (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:07PM
                • Re:RTFA by Sj0 (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:52PM
                • Re:RTFA by LuYu (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @02:40AM
                  • Re:RTFA by Mr. Slippery (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @07:46AM
            • Re:RTFA by Traa (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:13PM
              • Re:RTFA by MobileTatsu-NJG (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:47PM
              • Re:RTFA by fyngyrz (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:21PM
              • Re:RTFA by SomeoneGotMyNick (Score:3) Monday April 30 2007, @07:02AM
              • Re:RTFA by GodInHell (Score:2) Friday May 04 2007, @09:09AM
            • Re:RTFA by sjames (Score:3) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:35PM
              • Re:RTFA by zenyu (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:26PM
                • Re:RTFA by sjames (Score:3) Sunday April 29 2007, @05:13PM
                  • Re:RTFA by djasbestos (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @10:02AM
                • Re:RTFA by LuYu (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @02:55AM
                  • Re:RTFA by GodInHell (Score:2) Friday May 04 2007, @09:13AM
                • Re:RTFA by Kelsen (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @01:34PM
            • Re:RTFA (Score:4, Informative)

              by gbulmash (688770) <semi_famous&yahoo,com> on Sunday April 29 2007, @03:45PM (#18920979)
              (http://www.fundraw.com/ | Last Journal: Friday October 26, @03:42AM)
              The U.S. Gov't gave themt he right to do this. It's not theft, it's not criminal, it's just corrupt. Your anger should not be aimed at the unnelected construct of law who's only legal purpose for existing is profit - it should be aimed at the assholes in gov't who did this. I'll bet you your congressman dosen't know about this.. maybe you should tell him.

              IANAL, but I figure you could still sue SoundExchange and argue that the LOC doesn't have the right to create a national monopoly that not only violates the Taft Act and RICO, but constitutes tortious interference (an illegal interference with your right to enter into a contract, such as a contract via which you grant a net broadcaster a right to stream your content without royalty payments) on an unheard of scale. But you'd have to have some pretty big bucks to file and pursue the case, because it would probably have to go through a couple of rounds of appeals and eventually be argued before the Supreme Court.

              OTOH, as is the argument with many monopolies, in trying to justify their existence, they'll argue back about how their monopoly creates efficiencies and prevents chaos, and is actually a benefit to the people.

              But it's the fact that SoundExchange doesn't allow that royalty exemption that will be their undoing, because a court can rule that their monopoly has been abused and creates a greater harm to the public than any good their monopoly creates. They should neither have the ability to force you to sign up with them and pay fees to get your content heard or collect royalties against your will. And because they do so, they create a public harm that goes against the intent of any law that allows the LOC to grant such a monopoly. At minimum, a court could tell them that they must amend their anticompetitive practices and policies or face being stripped of their monopoly.

              - Greg
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              • Re:RTFA by 'nother poster (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @09:08AM
                • Re:RTFA by gbulmash (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @03:04PM
            • Re:RTFA (Score:5, Interesting)

              by Sledgy (133446) on Sunday April 29 2007, @10:23PM (#18923627)
              (http://www.deathpenguins.org.nz/)
              I'd like to point out that I'm not a US citizen, I don't live in the US, I've never been to the US and the US Govt cannot assign away anything that is mine to a US organisation. In fact I am going to change the copyright of my music to state that it is open to be copied, played (on any device), sampled provided the copyright is attributed EXCEPT by any agent, member or affiliate of the RIAA.

              I have a very strong dislike of this crowd, and they have absolutely no right to collect royalties on anything I produce or allow to be played by on an Internet radio station.
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              • Re:RTFA by GodInHell (Score:2) Friday May 04 2007, @09:16AM
            • Re: The Librarian of Congress makes Laws? by Douglas Goodall (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @02:33AM
            • Re:RTFA by Ant P. (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @07:58AM
            • Re:RTFA by It doesn't come easy (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @06:26PM
          • Re:Outright theft (Score:5, Insightful)

            by cpt kangarooski (3773) on Sunday April 29 2007, @10:10AM (#18918761)
            (http://slashdot.org/)
            If I create some sort of internet radio content, and I want to make private arrangements with one or several netcasters to stream that content (perhaps for free), that's none of the RIAA's business.

            You can still do that. They didn't say you couldn't. They said that Internet radio stations are entitled to use the statutory license rather than negotiate with copyright holders, for everything. And that whenever someone uses the statutory license, the money is handled by SoundExchange, regardless of whether the copyright holder is signed up with them or not, because that's what the law mandates. No one has said that there can't be other licenses. Though signing up with SoundExchange does seem to preclude further collective licensing, though not non-collective licensing.

            Honestly, this is all not a big deal. There are plenty of more important things to get worked up about, and I'd like to know how you would expect collective licensing to work, if not basically along these lines.
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          • Re:Outright theft by JunkmanUK (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @03:39AM
        • Re:when I was a young boy by hhawk (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:26AM
        • Re:when I was a young boy by cpt kangarooski (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:56AM
        • Re:when I was a young boy by kilodelta (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:35AM
        • Re:when I was a young boy by eonlabs (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:37PM
        • is rthis legal? and constitutional? by falconwolf (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:20PM
        • Re:when I was a young boy by fngl51 (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:59PM
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      • Re:when I was a young boy by jcr (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:02AM
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  • Surely this must be a joke... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:30AM
    • Re:Surely this must be a joke... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by omeomi (675045) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:37AM (#18916297)
      (http://zulupad.gersic.com/)
      How could they not get slapped in court? What judge could take such a claim seriously?

      If they actually start enforcing this, I'm just going to start an internet radio station with my own music. Other artists should do the same. Just let them try to sue me for royalties on music that I wrote/recorded/produced.
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      • by RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) <taiki @ c o x.net> on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:01AM (#18916445)
        One ukulele/jug/spoons band and a 36 hour Shoutcast session later, the RIAA then regrets it's idea that it owns all music on the 'net.
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        • not a joke (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2007, @02:28AM (#18916867)
          The fact that your taste is dictated by big entertainment doesn't mean that other music doesn't have value. For example, Blues, Rock'n'Roll, Hip Hop, Ska all existed independently of commercial distribution- they were discovered, not created, by the big labels. The publishing landscape has changed in the last ten years---now a savvy musician CAN cut out the middleman, and I know several who have.

          When I was a kid, you could disparage self-publishing as 'vanity publishing'. I don't think that's the case anymore. If you really care about music, you'll take a risk and listen without considering who funded the marketing effort.
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          • Re:not a joke (Score:5, Informative)

            by OrangeTide (124937) on Sunday April 29 2007, @03:29AM (#18917069)
            Punk was traditionally released on independent and self-published labels.
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            • Re:not a joke by Terminal Saint (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:57AM
            • Re:not a joke by idonthack (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:54PM
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          • joke by RyuuzakiTetsuya (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:39AM
          • Boston by flyingfsck (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:46PM
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      • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by maciarc (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:10AM
      • I've long considered starting an internet radio station of only CC-by-* licensed music (and other copyleft licenses) for the express purpose of "sticking it to the RIAA". I've known about musicians who release their music under these type of licenses, and I think it is time to really stand up and take notice about stuff like this.

        One bizzare issue that I don't know how it would play here is if some artist released some content under one of these copyleft licenses and then subsequently signed with the RIAA, would I still have to pay a royalty? Some licenses such as the GPL/GFDL explicitly prohibit such a 3rd party revokation of licensing, after the content has been granted, but I think this may be one of the weaknesses of the Creative Commons license suite.

        This certainly would be a strong test case to really test copyleft principles, unless the RIAA can show that they hold a patent on the concept of internet radio (which I don't think they do... and that also opens yet another can of worms in terms of "IP rights").

        Out of principle I would hope the EFF would themselves host such an internet radio station, begging the RIAA to sue the pants off of them. And do that in a public manner. I would donate money to their legal defense fund (and to help pay for the internet radio station too!) if they would decide to go this route. It would be the ultimate in 'net civil disobedience.

        Or the FSF doing the same thing but with GPL'd/GFDL'd music. It almost sounds like something Stallman would love to do for the hell of it.
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        • Re:Surely this must be a joke... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by urulokion (597607) <sjohnson AT monsters DOT org> on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:54AM (#18916711)
          The article is wrong in one way and it's reaching a wrong conclusion because of it. The law's creates a statutory license for webcasters to use if they don't want to negiotate with each individual copyright holder. The lincense is compulsory for the copyright holders, and SoundExchange is the body that is tasked to collect and distribute the royalties collected under the statutory license.

          However if a webcaster choses to negotiate with a music copyright holder, and they come to terms, it's a non-statutroy license. SoundExchange can't get involved music under those type of licenses. The terms can be whatever both sided agree to. You can even ignore those silly restrictions on information display, interactivity with listners, time restrictions, etc.

          What the article says thats wrong is that copyright holder can give their music away for free, and can't allow webcasters to use it for free. That's flat out wrong. SoundExchange can't stop that or even try to collect royalties for it. That would be interfence with the copyright holder's rights. I've love to see SoundExchance attempt to take that to court. Can you say "Crash and Burn!"

          In regards to GPL'd/GFDL'd/CCL'd music, those are non-statutory licenses. The terms are already laid out. No need to negotiate. As longer as your agree to and follow the terms of the license, your use the music. And you can tell SoundExchance to go F... themselves.

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          • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by NickHydroxide (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:12AM
          • In regards to GPL'd/GFDL'd/CCL'd music, those are non-statutory licenses. The terms are already laid out. No need to negotiate. As longer as your agree to and follow the terms of the license, your use the music. And you can tell SoundExchance to go F... themselves.


            That is the beauty of taking this approach to the issue and boldly advertising that "internet radio" stations using this approach to music distribution. I'm talking about being blunt and obvious that this is something that the RIAA can't possible touch.

            The problem here is that I don't see the RIAA/ASCAP/SoundExchange interpreting this in the way you are talking about. Sure, you or I would agree that the rights have already been negotiated here, but SoundExchange is claming rights to license all music which is distributed via "internet radio" channels. And backed up by the Library of Congress. The point of the original article posting here is that non-RIAA members (which can include musical artists who have released their music under the Creative Commons licenses) are being forced by statutory authority to have royalties paid to SoundExchange, regardless of the terms, conditions, or licenses that were granted by the artists in the first place. They are using this as a way to force smaller recording artists or even groups that want to create an alternative scheme to the RIAA methodology to having to stick with this one approach and only use the SoundExchange system.

            The point of using copyleft approaches here is that it would force the issue out of a copyright violation issue into the patently obvious RIAA taxation authority by a for profit group of corporations. If music which is simply placed into the public domain can be "taxed" in this manner, why not GPL'd music? Of course this isn't the only bizzare tax on public goods that goes to supporting for-profit corporations, but this would force such an issue into the realm of public debate for exactly what it really is.

            This is also why this move by the RIAA is so awful and needs to be challenged as forcefully as possible, or at the very least legitimate alternatives need to be publicized in such a way that this monopoly can be broken. I think it would be through copyleft content distribution that you can make this stick.
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          • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by zotz (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:51AM
          • copyright owners by falconwolf (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:40PM
        • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by KDR_11k (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:40AM
        • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by RobBebop (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:54PM
      • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by josephdrivein (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @05:56AM
      • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by Skreems (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:16PM
      • Re:Surely this must be a joke... by Evilest Doer (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:38PM
    • Re:Surely this must be a joke... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by pembo13 (770295) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:37AM (#18916621)
      (http://www.pembo13.com/)
      When people stop throwing in red hearings into important discussions
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  • All your base... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by reaktor (949798) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:30AM (#18916239)
    does not belong to the RIAA. There are things called contracts which point out who the copyright owner is of a certain intellectual property (music). The RIAA cannot claim that it owns royalties of something it does not own. When we all thought the RIAA could not possibly go any lower...
    • Re:All your base... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by spyowl (838397) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:03AM (#18916459)

      There are things called contracts which point out who the copyright owner is of a certain intellectual property (music). The RIAA cannot claim that it owns royalties of something it does not own.

      Doesn't matter. There are laws in many countries that mandate that certain portion of the sale price of a recording device, or a recording medium go to RIAA or their respective equivalent in that country. You could claim all you want that you never recorded or dealt with an RIAA copyrighted content and you never recorded any of it using that device or medium you purchased, but that doesn't exclude you from the RIAA tax - you still have to pay it.

      The same general principle could apply to the Internet radio and given that it has successfully worked for the recording devices/media, there is no guarantee that all of a sudden lawmakers in all countries, including the U.S., will come to their senses and deny the RIAA their "right" to purchase their share of legislation.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:All your base... by EddyPearson (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:06AM
      • In the US at least, you can sue the government by Mateo_LeFou (Score:3) Sunday April 29 2007, @07:37AM
        • by cpt kangarooski (3773) on Sunday April 29 2007, @10:20AM (#18918821)
          (http://slashdot.org/)
          I haven't looked at it in legalistic detail

          I believe that.

          I write a couple hundred songs.
          I run a web radio site and broadcast these.
          The U.S. Copyright Office authorizes SoundExchange to collect royalties on my "use" of these songs.
          I therefore owe SoundExchange royalties for the "compulsory license" to broadcast.


          No. The law does not require a copyright holder to pay royalties that are ultimately due to himself. It's not a statutory license to broadcast music over Internet radio at all, it's a statutory license to broadcast music over Internet radio where you otherwise don't have a right to do so (i.e. you're not the copyright holder and you don't have a separately-negotiated license with the copyright holder, and there is a copyright)

          As the holder of copyright in these works, *I am the one who authorizes their licensing, and if another party does so they are breaking the law.

          Except when the law itself includes a license (as is the case here) which you don't get a choice in. You can always offer a different license, but anyone can opt to take the one Congress created. This is because Congress defines what copyright is in the US, and they've defined it to include this license.
          [ Parent ]
      • Re:All your base... by battery111 (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:32AM
      • Re:All your base... by zoltamatron (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:16PM
    • Take Off Every FUD... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Mad Bad Rabbit (539142) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:10AM (#18916505)
      According to the SoundExchange FAQ [soundexchange.com],
      this only applies if you want to rely on SoundExchange to get you a statutory license.
      So stations willing to negotiate directly with the artists and get nonstatutory licenses,
      wouldn't have to pay SoundExchange royalties. (Although that said, they apparently forbid
      SoundExchange members from granting separate licenses, so this would only work with artists
      who are willing to boycott SoundExchange...)

      (ObDisclaimer: me am not copyright attorney though)

      [ Parent ]
    • Compulsory license by transporter_ii (Score:3) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:30AM
    • Royalties for music... by mrbluze (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @05:21AM
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  • How does this help the artist? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Weaselmancer (533834) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:32AM (#18916245)

    Part of the whole RIAA con is that they loudly proclaim that they are doing all the crap they do "to defend the little guy, the artist." That's how they moralize what they do. They're just here to help.

    So, exactly HOW does this accomplish that? Are they going to cut paychecks to all the indie artists they're leeching off of?

    I'm betting not.

  • Illegal. by igotmybfg (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:32AM
  • Wow. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rizzo320 (911761) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:33AM (#18916251)
    All you can say is wow. This is the power play that everyone was expecting. For several years, SoundExchange was all about "collecting for the artists", so that they get their "fair share". Now that new regulations have been set, the true colors are coming out. As usual, they are in it for themselves- it just took a few years of trickery and disguise. Most of us could see through it, but heck, they tricked enough people to get the current set of legistlation and royalty rates approved.

    The RIAA is alienating listeners, and now alienating artists. These policies will only cause artists and music lovers to seek alternatives- even more so than before. Eventually, SoundExchange will be collecting nothing, because they'll alienate themselves out of business.

    It's not about the artists. It's not about the music. It's all about control. That's all it will ever be to the RIAA/SoundExchange.
    • Re:Wow. by Turn-X Alphonse (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:57AM
      • Re:Wow. by Mongoose (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:23AM
        • Re:Wow. by Mr. Hankey (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:34AM
        • Re:Wow. by ultranova (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:21AM
      • Re:Wow. by rizzo320 (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:43AM
        • Re:Wow. by Turn-X Alphonse (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:04AM
          • Re:Wow. by that this is not und (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:13AM
            • Re:Wow. by X-rated Ouroboros (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:30PM
      • Re:Wow. by digitig (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:34AM
    • As if... by Chordonblue (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:16AM
      • Re:As if... by thc69 (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:00AM
    • Re:Wow. by julesh (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:07AM
      • Re:Wow. by xmodem_and_rommon (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:21PM
        • Re:Wow. by julesh (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @03:27AM
          • Re:Wow. by nosferatu1001 (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @06:33AM
            • Re:Wow. by julesh (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @07:57AM
    • uhm... "copyright control" already on our CD's ? by freaker_TuC (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:42PM
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  • Keep digging by shmotlock (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:33AM
  • April Fools? by Renraku (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:33AM
  • by AbsoluteXyro (1048620) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:33AM (#18916259)
    You have to hand it to the RIAA. That is a brilliant business model. By claiming these royalties and "holding on to them" until the artist pays a fee to receive what is rightfully theirs, the RIAA is essentially getting an interest free loan from every artist that gets net radio play. ON TOP OF THAT, the artists have to PAY the RIAA in order to be compensated for the loan (on which the artists collect no interest)! That my friends, is the best money making scheme I have ever seen. Ever. Just beautiful. From a businessman's point of view, it brings a tear to my eye.
  • RIAA blackmail? by UglyTool (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:34AM
  • by drgonzo59 (747139) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:34AM (#18916267)
    Pay a royalty to collect their fees...


    Hmm, this sounds just like a letter I got the other day



    Hello dear Sir or Madam, This is Mugu Maccaca The III, the son of the late Mugu Maccaca The II, the prime minister of Nigeria. I respectfully request your assistance in transfering a sum of $65,000,000.00 from the bank account of my father who has past away. For your assitance you will get 25% of the total sum. To initiate the transfer we will need your help to pay a $7,345.34 fee to unfreeze my father's money. Please help me as the rebels are coming closer and closer to taking control of my inheritance. Your help will be aboundantly rewarded.


    Thank you and God bless.
    Mugu Maccaca The III, the son of the late Mugu Maccaca the II



  • by xquark (649804) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:36AM (#18916285)
    (http://www.partow.net/)
    Now the only question remaining, Is Tony getting his cut?
  • Its madness (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dr. Eggman (932300) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:37AM (#18916289)
    There exists a line. A line between everyday villainy and cartoonish supervillainy. The SoundExchange didn't just cross that line, they picked it up and moved it up with them. This is just in the realm of the unbelievable now.
  • Well then (Score:5, Funny)

    by davmoo (63521) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:37AM (#18916293)
    I cannot sing worth a shit, and I will freely admit that. But I am **SO** tempted to make some recordings of me singing in the shower, and maybe some of my cockatiel doing his calls along with the music, and start up an internet radio station that plays only those tracks. I will then invite SoundExchange to come over and lick the sweat off my balls.
  • by YouHaveSnail (202852) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:37AM (#18916295)
    Even if SoundExchange can somehow make its claim to be able to collect royalties for nonmember artists stick (seems pretty dubious), one would think that they'd run into some serious antitrust issues if they then try to use that power to compel nonmember artists to become members. Essentially, they're claiming a monopoly on royalty collections, and then using that monopoly to reinforce their position. You're not supposed to do that...
    • The only problem with the monopoly aspect of their business is that they are a government sanctioned monopoly, just like Major League Baseball or Amtrack. If you tried to set up an interstate passenger rail service without the express permission of Amtrack, just for an example, you will find out in a real hurry who has been granted the monopoly and you won't find a judge to overturn this law either.

      And the same goes here for the RIAA and "SoundExchange". They are a government granted monopoly. The real trick here is to make the charge of being a "monopoly" stick in the mainstream public media and to demonstrate why this monopoly is such a bad deal, or even how the RIAA is gradually killing off the American music industry. Or how it is already dead. Most average people don't understand this concept, even thought it is obvious by now that the only realistic way for a young singer to break into the top tier of recording artists is through gimicks like "American Idol". If the RIAA didn't have such a stranglehold on the American music industry, you would find this TV show to be a total flop, as much better performers would already be performing the top songs. IMHO, "American Idol" is a symptom of how bad the music industry has become, and not a genuine showcase of talent.

      Mind you, I like some of the performers that have come through that contest (Ruben Stoddard is one of my favorites), but it is unfortunate that this was the only avenue he had to be noticed. The days of the "garage band" being able to make it to the big leagues through hard work and determination are long over, except for those who have some exceptional luck. People with genuine talent are being ignored and not allowed to propser.
      [ Parent ]
    • Antitrust is no good here by Engineer-Poet (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:11AM
    • Re:There must be some antitrust issues here... by grahammm (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:30AM
    • Re:There must be some antitrust issues here... by LynnwoodRooster (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:01AM
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  • Isn't that illegal? by FiniteElementalist (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:38AM
  • Illegal organization (Score:4, Interesting)

    by tsa (15680) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:38AM (#18916307)
    (http://www.tjerkstra.org/)
    OK, that's it. The RIAA can be seen as a criminal organization and should be made illegal. They do more harm than the Hells Angels, and the Hells Angels are banned in many countries, so why not the RIAA?
  • No different from ASCAP/BMI (Score:5, Informative)

    by interiot (50685) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:40AM (#18916323)
    (http://paperlined.org/)
    As far as I know, this is no different [nogenre.com] from other performance rights organizations like ASCAP/BMI/etc. right? They collect money for everyone, whether the artist is registered with them or not. The only question is whether we need yet another performance rights organization...
  • I'm not so sure by belmolis (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:40AM
  • If only... by EvilGoodGuy (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:45AM
  • On the Compulsory License (Score:5, Informative)

    by corvair2k1 (658439) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:47AM (#18916363)
    The article is overly inflammatory, adding emphasis to quotations (which the author/editor doesn't claim) to the word "compulsory" in "compulsory license". Obviously, they didn't do much research into what the compulsory license is in relation to copyright law.

    The compulsory license is largely a way of ensuring that, if a content distributor wishes, it can use certain types of copyrighted works in certain ways. An example includes making a cover of a copyrighted song. Usually, royalties are paid to the songwriter in such cases, and you can work out favorable terms to both parties. However, if the parties don't come to agreement, the content distributor can instead agree to the compulsory license and agree to pay said artist based on the published rates. As long as this happens, the original copyright holder cannot sue (because he/she is getting paid as dictated by copyright law).

    In short, this means that you can indeed make a license directly between you and the copyright holder itself. However, if you're going to use the compulsory license, there is a procedure that has to be in place aside from mailing an unexpected check to the copyright holder... There's no proof you paid!

    So, it's a bit different than the article's author paints it. Of course, most wouldn't agree that the copyright holder should be a member of SoundScan in order to get their royalties, but it's an entirely different issue.
    • Re:On the Compulsory License by hxnwix (Score:3) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:05AM
    • Mod parent up. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Animats (122034) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:27AM (#18916579)
      (http://www.animats.com)

      Mod parent up. The original article reflects a complete misunderstanding of the compulsory license system. It's compulsory against owners of rights in sound recordings. They have to grant a license whether they want to or not. However, there's nothing prohibiting owners of sound recordings and a distribution service of whatever type from making a deal outside the compulsory license system.

      For example, someone could set up a Free Music Foundation to offer free licenses to Internet radio stations, unknown bands could grant distribution rights for their stuff to the Free Music Foundation, and Internet "radio stations" (really streaming download sites) could play exclusively Free Music Foundation material, without any compulsory license or statutory royalties.

      Or, at the other extreme, you could have Payola Internet Radio, where bands pay to put their stuff on the stream. Again, no statutory royalties.

      This isn't a big issue in the industry. The big issue with compulsory licenses right now is whether they apply to ringtones. The Copyright Board said they do [theregister.co.uk] last year, which makes ringtones much cheaper. The Harry Fox Agency [harryfox.com] is dragging their feet on this, but it's now established that if you download an entire song and use it as a ringtone, that's covered under the compulsory license. Arguments continue about using only part of the song.

      [ Parent ]
    • So who sets prices? by taniwha (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:15AM
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  • internet radio by Turn-X Alphonse (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:49AM
  • by proxima (165692) on Sunday April 29 2007, @12:51AM (#18916381)
    (http://www.proxc.com/)
    There's very little to distinguish "internet radio" from "downloadable music", because the former can take the form of a streamed mp3 and the latter can take all sorts of forms. That doesn't keep legislation from treating the two very differently.

    As I understand it (IANAL), the whole purpose behind these royalty bodies and standard licensing fees is that it allows radio stations to play music without figuring out and paying each artist/label individually. Basically, it just allows radio stations to exist without the bureaucratic nightmare that would be arranging licensing for the music it wants to play.

    That said, this FAQ may provide the workaround that the summary thinks is missing:

    If I join SoundExchange can I still negotiate a license with a webcaster if I want to?

      Yes. Although membership in SoundExchange prohibits you from licensing your sound recording copyrights to another royalty collective for purposes of collecting and distributing Sections 112 and 114 statutory royalties on your behalf, your membership in SoundExchange does not in any way limit your ability to enter into direct (i.e., nonstatutory) licenses of any sound recordings that you own, whether with webcasters or other potential statutory licensees. SoundExchange simply requires that SRCOs notify it of any direct licenses entered into with statutory licensees or digital music service providers so that it can ensure that payments received from services that hold direct licenses to certain recordings are calculated correctly and allocated properly.

    so you can't say "the royalties I'm due from this legislation about internet radio should go to this other company, not SoundExchange". If I'm reading this right (and it is getting late...), you can grant a webcaster a license outside of the system. I highly doubt that the law regarding internet radio/radio in general prohibits the artist from granting royalty-free use of their music.

    The relevant portion of the law [copyright.gov] may also explicitly contain the ability to license your work under other terms. I think (C) part (vii) may be it, but I'm not inclined to dig through the language at the moment. That part reads:

    (vii) phonorecords of the sound recording have been distributed to the public under the authority of the copyright owner or the copyright owner authorizes the transmitting entity to transmit the sound recording, and the transmitting entity makes the transmission from a phonorecord lawfully made under the authority of the copyright owner, except that the requirement of this clause shall not apply to a retransmission of a broadcast transmission by a transmitting entity that does not have the right or ability to control the programming of the broadcast transmission, unless the transmitting entity is given notice in writing by the copyright owner of the sound recording that the broadcast station makes broadcast transmissions that regularly violate such requirement;

    but the context of this clause isn't clear to me.

  • i thought this was what ascap was for by mrcdeckard (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:53AM
  • Protection by quarrel (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:53AM
  • How Are You Gentlemen? by Ranger (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:54AM
  • EASY SOLUTION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW by WindBourne (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:57AM
  • the RIAA can secure a compulsory license for you by hxnwix (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:59AM
  • Hmm... this sounds familiar (Score:5, Informative)

    by UObean (1094769) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:03AM (#18916453)
    Allofmp3.com collects royalties of all the music they sell and offer it to the RIAA. They cry and moan and refuse the money because they don't like their business model. Now suddenly its completely ok to collect royalties for someone else when you don't have the copyright for the work, but only so far as the RIAA is the one doing the collecting.
  • The next step is the government taxing RIAA by JoeCommodore (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:05AM
  • Racketeering by mrshowtime (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:06AM
  • As an Independent artist... by caffiend2049 (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:08AM
  • Sounds disturbingly familiar by edwardpickman (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:19AM
  • Absolutely corrupt by aussie_a (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:21AM
  • Now they have done it (Score:4, Insightful)

    by zappepcs (820751) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:25AM (#18916561)
    (Last Journal: Friday May 18, @11:07AM)
    The RIAA is trying to push around the only people that can really push back at them... artists!

    What I mean is this, if the RIAA continues to piss people off, record companies will not get contracts, the RIAA member companies will then not support the RIAA, the recording industry as we know it crumbles...

    How is that possible. Someone some where will start their own record company, providing on the parts that the artists need help with. That somebody can arbitrate royalties with public broadcasters in direct competition with the RIAA. The RIAA is not a government mandated body. They CAN be replaced. It will start with one or two bands, then more, then one or two record companies, then more...

    What we need to do is start writing letters and emails to bands themselves. Explain that they will not get more money from you if they continue to work with companies that support or belong to the RIAA. Choke off the money stream and the RIAA dies.
  • Let 'em bloody well try (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mccalli (323026) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:26AM (#18916573)
    (http://www.eruvia.org/)
    I write music. It's not especially amazing stuff, but it's written and some of it is recorded and put out for free. If a net radio station fancies playing a track, then that's fine by me (though I refuse responsibility for their sudden drop in listenership...).

    If this completely alien organisation tries making one unit of whatever currency they're charging in, I will go beserk. This is my music, nothing to do with them, and with no contract in place between us I shall offer it as I damned well choose. They have no right to claim ownership of any revenue whatsoever arising from this music.

    Cheers,
    Ian
  • This is beyond ridiculous. by Kuvter (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:31AM
  • Just so we're clear (Score:5, Informative)

    by Spazmania (174582) on Sunday April 29 2007, @01:34AM (#18916607)
    (http://bill.herrin.us/)
    This is from the FAQ:

    What licenses does SoundExchange administer?

    The Digital Performance Right in Sound Recordings Act of 1995 (DPRA) and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA) granted a performance right in sound recordings for certain digital and satellite transmissions. In exchange for this new right, SRCOs are subject to a compulsory license for the use of their music, provided the user complies with those conditions set forth in the copyright law. SoundExchange was established to administer the collection and distribution of royalties from such compulsory licenses taken by noninteractive streaming services that use satellite, cable or Internet methods of distribution.

    For those of you who are caught up in the language, let me make it crystal clear for you: There is a license which artists must grant under law, a compulsory license, which allows certain digital performances. If you record a song, anyone may use it under the terms of that license.

    As with the GPL, anyone may accept. Anyone may decline. If you decline, you have no rights to perform the song under the license. You may still acquire an alternate license directly from the copyright owner and do anything the owner authorizes, including perform the song in a manner similar to what is allowed by the compulsory license.

    You owe fees to SoundExchange only if you accept the compulsory license and perform the song under those terms and conditions.

    Now, SoundExchange doesn't want you to know this. They have very carefully crafted the language in their documentation to lead you to the impression that paying them is the only option. Nevertheless, if you read carefully you'll find that's not what they actually said. And if you read the relevant sections of the DPRA and DMCA, you'll find that's not what the law says either.
    • Re:Just so we're clear by AudioInfecktion (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:00AM
    • Turning the tables by UNFAIRMAN (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:17AM
    • That was very unclear (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jc42 (318812) on Sunday April 29 2007, @03:39PM (#18920931)
      (http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/ | Last Journal: Saturday August 14 2004, @05:03PM)
      There is a license which artists must grant under law, a compulsory license, ... As with the GPL, anyone may accept. Anyone may decline. If you decline, you have no rights to perform the song ...

      This makes no sense to me at all. First you say that I must grant this compulsory license. Then you turn around and say I may decline the license. I can't find a way to read this that isn't self-contradictory. Do I have to grant the license, or can I decline (to grant) it?

      And if I decide to decline it, what's the mechanism? Presumably I must do something that will notify all possible broadcasters and other "performers" (DJs?) that my recording can't be "performed". But I don't know any practical way to do such a thing. There's not even any way that I know to discover even a small percent of the people who might want to use my recording.

      It's all totally unclear and contradictory ...

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Just so we're clear by zobier (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:59PM
  • I completely disgaree with this by Shinra (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:34AM
  • never pass a judge by timmarhy (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:35AM
  • Circling the bowl on the way down... by rtrifts (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:41AM
  • RIAA + SCO = Amazing by grilled-cheese (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:45AM
  • "Noninteractive streaming services" by paxundae (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:45AM
  • Laugh at them by popo (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:50AM
  • They FINALLY did it by Mr. Freeman (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:53AM
  • 1. Put microphone in toilet
    2. Fart as loud as you can
    3. Set up an internet radio station
    4. Put on your recording you just did
    5. Let RIAA Sue you
    6. Become Famous
    7. $$Profit!
    8. Sue RIAA for frivilous lawsuit
    9. $$Profit!
    10. Go on lecture circuit
    11. $$Profit!
  • The article is just wrong.... by Stephen Samuel (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:06AM
  • Compulsory licensing...it's been around by Evil Poot Cat (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:09AM
  • What if ... by PPH (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:13AM
  • That's brilliant!! by Trails (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:19AM
  • I'm an artist, I'm starting my internet radio site by DragonTHC (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:20AM
  • Question from the Audience by dj.short (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:28AM
  • As a broadcaster (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rantingkitten (938138) on Sunday April 29 2007, @02:29AM (#18916881)
    (http://mirrorshades.org/wc)
    I run a synthpop and darkwave radio station [mirrorshades.org] myself (plug!), and I have had people tell me they've never heard this or that artist before, and then go check out their albums. One even went to the VNV Nation concert here in Atlanta after hearing them on my station. What's that mean for VNV Nation? Money in their pockets. And that's just the ticket sale; who knows what merchandise the guy bought while there.

    I've also had artists send me promo tracks, full albums, and other stuff -- mostly indie artists looking for some exposure. If they're good (and they usually are) I put them in rotation, so dozens of people get to hear someone they've never heard. I don't solicit; they send me this stuff because they want me to play it. As one recent artist, James Stark [jamesdstark.com], told me, after he sent me some tracks for consideration and I enjoyed them enough to put them in rotation:

    Thanks I appreciate the exposure, it's hard to get the music out as an
    independent artist which is why I'm trying to get radioplay. The CD is
    the mail.

    Just a guy trying to get his music noticed. And he's not alone -- this happens quite a bit, and I broadcast a niche genre. I bet broadcasters in more "mainstream" genres get even more artists than I do.

    The artists love it -- they get free exposure to an audience primed to the genre, and whatever album sales, merchandise, mp3 downloads, and the rest that comes with it. The listeners love it. No one is losing and everyone is gaining -- except the labels and the RIAA who, in this day and age, are totally unnecessary anyway.

    Some of the artists that send me stuff are easily good enough to get signed, and I know some have been approached, but they steadfastly refuse. They'd rather remain independant of money-grubbing middlemen and idiotic contracts, and get their music to the fans with channels of distribution their target audience is likely to use.

    I started this venture after years and years of listening to net radio on live365 and other assorted places. And I bought music after listening. I know the system works.

    Frankly, there ain't no Benjamens in the net radio trade. We broadcasters do this for the love of the music and because it's fun. Don't penalize us for bringing the art to the people. Don't penalize us, the artists, or the audience.
  • Free music which might avoid this problem... by Anthony Boyd (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:35AM
  • That is just stupid by i_wanna_be_a_scienti (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:46AM
  • Pay them for singing your own songs? by RubberDogBone (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:26AM
  • riaa redirected to political corruption by gogodidi (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:30AM
  • The Mafia still has some tricks to learn by Alain Williams (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:39AM
  • As the RIAA's new internet racketeering gang took over, the song Fuck the MP^h^hRIAA [futuristicsexrobotz.com] inexplicably cornered 100% of the streaming audio market in a single day. We will keep you up to date on this unprecedented development as more becomes available.
  • mafiaa by Alan the Prof (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @05:10AM
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  • Independent artists forced to sue the RIAA? by Lost Penguin (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:30AM
  • Im a bit stupefied here. by unity100 (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:34AM
  • If I were an independant small artist... by Firefalcon (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:40AM
  • Ownership by flyneye (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @07:01AM
  • My Contract by sheared (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:07AM
  • Hold that wall up buddy by Joebert (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:07AM
  • As I've said before, by Dash Hash (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @08:52AM
  • An Open Letter to the RIAA by Shaltenn (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:05AM
  • What happen$ to the money? by Newer Guy (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:15AM
  • We protect you whether you want it or not by smchris (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:21AM
  • Wrong by markdotcom (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:26AM
  • HahaHAHHAHHAAHAaha by JohnnyGTO (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:33AM
  • Can I sue them? by Urza9814 (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:51AM
  • Non RIAA Artist by nurb432 (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:00AM
  • So -- by hey! (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @12:07PM
  • Is the RIAA Pulling a Scam on the Music Industry? by falconwolf (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:46PM
  • SoundExchange is authorized by US Copyright law. by rustman (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:53PM
  • So let me get this straight... by xx01dk (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:54PM
  • What's funny is... by Khyber (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:00PM
  • RIAA: We Own You by Coan_teen (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:06PM
  • There is a small coffee shop in my town that used to have live music Friday and Saturday nights. NONE of the artists that played there were RIAA-affiliated. (All were very small local bands, none of which had record deals, all were self-produced.)

    SoundExchange shut down the live music. Somehow, that neither I, nor the owner of the coffee shop were able to determine, SoundExchange actually does control the playback of all music in the U.S.
  • Absolute Crap by dmsuperman (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @04:44PM
  • As an artist... by cephal0p0d (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @05:32PM
  • All your internets music is belong to us!!! by Ubergrunt (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @06:23PM
  • Article somewhat misleading by Todd Knarr (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @07:44PM
  • How do they get away with this? Um, cue the theme. by Catbeller (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:46PM
  • Use Canada (or another country) by grouchyDude (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @09:48PM
  • The Author got Suckered by herbierobinson (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @10:46PM
  • They've gone completely ga-ga by quixote9 (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:17PM
  • As the manager of an independent artist by Lord_Ukko (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:49PM
  • Fuck the RIAA-- Pay with DRM Money by bratwiz (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @11:52PM
  • Doing my part... by bulliver (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @01:14AM
  • Capwiz/Kos language is fucked up. by myspace-cn (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @03:19AM
  • Everything in the summary is a lie. by xigxag (Score:2) Monday April 30 2007, @09:24AM
  • under these rules of logic by EdelFactor19 (Score:1) Monday April 30 2007, @09:57AM
  • Re:If only by JFMulder (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:31AM
    • Re:If only by pair-a-noyd (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:34AM
      • Re:If only by Evil Poot Cat (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:57AM
        • Re:If only by pair-a-noyd (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @02:05AM
          • Re:If only by jibjibjib (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:34AM
          • Re:If only by malkir (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @03:36AM
          • Re:If only by JFMulder (Score:2) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:05PM
  • Re:New way to sue the RIAA? by aussie_a (Score:1) Sunday April 29 2007, @01:50AM
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