New Stargate Series In the Works

Skythe writes "Gateworld reports that an exclusive, third Stargate series is in the works: 'The new series is in the concept phase, and is being actively worked on by the Vancouver creatives behind Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. No concept for the show has yet been revealed.' Gateworld also reports despite the cancellation of SG-1, the series is likely for a 2007 debut. I wonder if the direct-to-dvd movies will any influence on the new series, and what the concept behind the show will be?"

New Series

...oh thank god.

Re:New Series

(Well, actually, I'll wait and see before I actually form an opinion.)

You must be new here, welcome!

I'm all for it!

. . . as long as it doesn't involve either (a) a prequel to Stargate SG-1, (b) aliens with big, floppy ears and a jamaican accent, (c) weird time travel/space-time continuum plot lines, or (d) William Shatner!

Re:I'm all for it!

I think you'll find that the people in Japan actually speak that language, they didn't just invent it so that you could hear the people talk funny on Anime.

Then I can gues...

Reading is the easiest, because if you miss something you can go back to it

Then, I can guess that most language you've learned are :
- Using alphabets for writing (as opposed to ideograph or syllable writing systems).
- Maybe even using some form of latin alphabet (as opposed to greek or cyrillic)

Reading is the most easy for you because you're quite familar with the symbols used to write language. The written form of words is the only thing that is actually new to you. Your eyes and your brain is already accustomed to the shape of most letters your going to encounter (you obviously are accustomed to latin alphabet, and maybe cyrillic and greek aren't too alien for you). If you had to start to learn chinese, Korean (with its very own concept of "alphabet disguised as a syllabary"), japanesse (OMG !!! 3 different writing systems !), old egyptian (Hieroglyphs), old Sumerian (Cuneiform), alternate forms to write old Greek (Linear B wasn't even designed to encode greek words), old bulgarian (using Glagolitic [wikipedia.org]) old Mayan (no, no. these aren't complexe beautiful painting, they are writings), reading won't be that easy, because you'll have to put up with a completly new writing system, that doesn't look like anything you're used to.

SG happen to describe a universe where most human cultures were kept to a more ancient and primitive form.

Most old real-life human civilisation had mostly an oral tradition, people spoke much more than they wrote those language. Being illiterate was quite common and normal. Writing was only a small very specialised job done by specifically trained people/slaves (scribes). Both because of it and in consequence of it, writing wasn't a practical simple system, but a very complex one, with thousands of different symbols. Language of similar linguistic groups may use completly different writing system (because of its complexity writing wasn't carried over by people over cultural evolution, but may have been reinvented adhoc when needed for very specific purposes) old greek is a good exemple (you have Linear B used during Mycenian times, then a long period of purely oral tradition, then the Greek alphabet being adopted). It's the opposite of modern situation (were Latin is the most pervasive form of writing and due to computer and internet popularity is even used in language that traditionally never used it : like romanji).

In the fictional universe of Stargate this may translate that only earthlings did evolve their writing systems into something practical and easy to learn (in the movie, writing was showed to be forbiden). Most other population may have kept a lot of different and complex writing, some of which aren't even alphabet but much bigger character sets (syllables or ideographs).

In which case, for a team to be able to communicate in the fictionnal SG universe :
- for spoken language :
they need to learn some basic words in most language. As language are supposed to be primitive, they're expected to speak different dialects of mostly old Indo-European language. This concretly could mean learning a dozen or so translation for most common words needed for basic communication. The rest is usually dialectal difference and can be completed with guess work as dialogue is going. (And as experience in other language accumulate this is becoming even easier). The actual barrier isn't as much the vocabulary as the potential social faux-pas that could exist in a fictionnal setting where culture and civilisation are scattered into a lot of small and separated sub-groups accross the galaxy.

- for written language :
They would need to learn several writing systems, most of which consists of thousands of different symbols and unlike spoken language, can't be grouped into closely related groups. Also, when you're not sure about the meaning you can't just ask the text to explain it.

To make comparison with other fictionnal situations : You're m

Re:I'm all for it!

>> or (d) William Shatner!

Next, on Stargate 9-1-1.

If they put Morena Baccarin in it

Then frankly I wont care too much what the show concept is, it will be watched regardless.

Hey!

You know, they should totally make a Stargate movie! That would be awesome!

No joke!

I've heard that they may try to simultaneously (or at least in scarily close succession) make a spinoff movie for SG1 and make a sequel to the original movie... as if they were two completely separate things. Which, if you look at the turns that SG1 has made, isn't too far from the truth.

Stargate: Vice City

Yeah!

Re:Stargate: Vice City

How about a crossover? CSI: Chulak or Jaffa CIS? Or maybe Stargate: Impossible?

Damn them for cancelling SG-1

...it is better than Atlantis, even at this stage of its lifespan. The third series better be darn good. Fridays are now totally boring on tv, save for discovery channel.

Re:Damn them for cancelling SG-1

Learn what? Futurama was much better than The Simpsons.

And you are like Hitler.

Come ON already

Why don't they just acknowledge that SG1 is essentially a new Stargate series and just keep it going?

Re:Come ON already

But that's exactly what I'm saying they should do - rename it Stargate:The Uncharted Territories or whatever the hell and just keep going like we were before. Why invent a 3rd series when we practically already had one?

Re:Come ON already

Note: I'm from Germany and we're just getting the ninth season, so for me the Ori are still pretty new and fresh. But I'm already getting tired of it. Gone are the daays of exploring the galaxy in order to find new technology to defend Earth - now we have huge-ass warships and pretty much everyone who can hold a gun is our friend. And the Ori are so ridiculously overpowered that suspension of disbelief is getting hard; after all they could easily win by sending priors with planet-devastating powers to Earth and a couple other important planets. It's essentially a battle between godmoders.

If the show keeps going on like this it's no wonder it didn't survive. As much as I like SG-1, it's too similar to Dragonball Z for comfort.

I, for one,

I, for one, welcome our new inter-dimensional overlords. Or something.

Given the production quality of SG-1 and Atlantis, I'm looking forward to any new Stargate series that comes out. :) I'm kind of disappointed about the alleged "stargate universe" reboot in the rumored sequel, considering that SG-1 picked up fairly nicely from where the original movie left off. It should be entertaining, in any event.

Re:I, for one,

Assuming you even see it... SciFi will probably just end up bumping it with a crappy wrestling show...

Re:It does need a reboot.

IMHO the series is in dire need of a reboot, which is why I find myself enjoying Atlantis more than SG1. With a show like SG1 it's far too easy to rely on prior-knowledge and previous episodes, which rewards long-time fans but make the show increasingly unapproachable by new viewers. Since the show isn't gaining many fans, it experiences a net loss of viewers until it inevitably starves itself out and gets canned.

With Atlantis character development has to be pushed, enemies are still fresh, mysterious, and menacing. Part of the thing with the Goa'uld at the beginning was how little we knew about them. We didn't know their customs, we didn't know too much about their physiology, and we certainly had no idea how to beat them. Part of the problem right now is that they've killed off all the bad guys, necessitating the need to create ever more powerful bad guys - and now we're literally fighting gods. The show's also drifted away from the Stargate-y roots. I enjoyed episodes where the gate would meet strange new enemies through the gate, not... by going to hyperspace and waging intergalactic war in ginormous battlecruisers. Please. Leave that to Star Trek.

Not 2007, but 2008

From what I read in the original article is that it's not likely to be rushed to replace SG-1, but that a 2008 premiere is more likely.

i've never seen the show...

can someone rate it for me? say, on a scale between 1 (farscape) and 10 (the new battlestar)?

Re:i've never seen the show...

can someone rate it for me? say, on a scale between 1 (farscape) and 10 (the new battlestar)?

I would have thought 1 would be where Voyager sits? :)

I'd have to put it at 9.5 or 10, simply because I enjoy it as much as BSG.

The thing with Stargate is that just like BSG (Black Market), it has a few episodes that just aren't that great (The Light). Also shared with BSG, it's *much* better if you know the backstory and have been watching the show instead of trying to just jump right in (though there are episodes where this would be fine).

I've watched SG-1 since it first aired in 1997 and can say that I've enjoyed it. Overall it's been quite good and it has had some stellar episodes. Atlantis struggled the first season, but has gotten better over time and I'm looking forward to the rest of the 3rd season.

Maybe they can get good actors this time...?

Sci-fi can be any genre now - western (serenity), brooding drama (Battlestar Galactica), kids' show with puppets (all those Anakin movies.) Will the new incarnation have the same horrible acting that the old ones did - the sci fi equivalent of the poorly-scripted comedy that came on at 730 before the real thing came on at 8? Dear Sci Fi Channel producers: you CAN have a show that's good, and also not have it compete with your flagship Galactica. Please hire some actors / writers who can do more than make me cringe while I wait for Jamie Bamber and Caprica Six to show up.

Thank you

Now if we could just get them to put Firefly back on the air. :)

Two words...

Stargate Enterprise

Series Premier

A routine expedition reveals what is clearly a one-way gateway of some kind (not necessarily a "Gate") to some faraway lost city-spaceship, perhaps not even in our universe proper, that promises vast new technologies, power sources, and weapons. But what really sets this apart from all the other floating tech/power/weapon depots is the promise that maybe, just maybe, this long lost depot will also including an automated schooling system so that we can actually use the fantastical powers within.

Immediately upon the arrival of the expeditionary team, modelled after the UN team but this time once again just American, the leaders of the expedition will find themselves whisked away to meet super-dooper Ascended beings, which the Ascended beings previously only suspected the existence of (not that they bothered to tell us), and make the Ascended beings look like tiny, wimpy children. One look at our gruff military hero with his background of killing and hitting and breaking and just generally, you know, surviving in our rough-and-tumble universe will convince our Super-Dooper Ascended beings that they really ought to consider pruning our entire multiverse due to excessive violence (since they, in their Super-Dooper Ascended state, haven't faced a threat to their existence in seventy-three trillion billion years, so they have totally forgotten what that's like), thus setting off a frantic five-season story arc to convince the Super-Dooper Ascended beings to not destroy us, or, failing all else, could you consider just destroying the Ori?

If we're lucky, our heros will fail. *smirk*

I like Stargate. I'd even say I like it a lot. But it was already a bit implausible that Our Heros could beat the Gua'uld. Not impossible, perhaps, given the Gua'ulds cultural weaknesses and their basic inability to band together meaningfully, but implausible. Taking on Ascended beings is just utterly unbelievable, and also has the problem of that basically being it. There's nothing above Ascended beings, really. Even if there is, it wouldn't really matter to us; how would we really distinguish between Ascended beings and my Super-Dooper Ascended, considering that Ascended beings already seem to possess the ability to throw us into an arbitrary simulation if they so chose? There really is no power above that from the human point of view; Ascended beings do not seem to be what you might call Gods of the Universe but they are basically Gods over individual material beings, able to fully control their minds, senses, etc.

I'm not sure Stargate needs a full re-boot in the comic book or the "Enterprise" sense, but they need to sit down and rethink what they want to be about: Do they want to be another Star Trek, which is where they are headed in many ways? Do they really need to have a Single Overarching Threat, especially given that they've basically maxed out that story line? Do they really want to become Yet Another Time Travel Show, which they've so far mostly managed to avoid but are in immanent danger of being sucked into that black hole? There's still a lot of interesting stories to be told, but only if they change some of their story arc templates.

And what is it about space exploration shows that inevitably turns them into space warfare shows?

"Do you remember when we used to be explorers?" - Captain Picard, Star Trek Insurrection

New series name...

SG-2.0

Every week they travel to unimaginable worlds, meet (and kill) new people, then write about it on their SG blogs ...

Wake me if Claudia Black shows up.

Can we please not have another McKay character?

Can we please please please not have another jarring character like McKay like in Stargate: Atlantis? Not only is he completely over-the-top antisocial, but he seems to make everyone around him lose any sense of tact that they might otherwise have had.

And that formula of having McKay/Carter start explaining the technical details of something, only to be interrupted by the superior officer who doesn't understand the jargon, is getting very very tired. Please kill it.

Re:Can we please not have another McKay character?

McKay has been one of the few SG characters that have shown any sort of development, having to learn to BE social, respect other people, work as part of a team both in the field and in the lab. Carter on the other hand, seems some sort of super human, is almost exactly the same as she was when the series started, and is about the most boring character on the show.

Yes, the technical mumbo-jumbo thing is irritating, but thats simply a sign of bad writing. It's a plot device or easy deis ex machena that they try and legitimize, but they are by far not the only show to be guilty of it.

I'd by far rather see an end to the lame warrior-types, I've seen more character depth from pre-gen D&D character sheets.

canada, eh?

I would not be surprised if they did an alternate reality or sequel to SG-1 series where Canada gets a gate, since that's where it's made and that's where a lot of the people who work on it are from. As long as it's got furry little Furlongs that look like the Ewoks' cousins, I'll be happy!

I'd love to see "Ba'al, the early years"

Seriously, of all the villains, he is the one I really like. OK, doesn't have to be the early years, I want to see Cliff Simon playing the character. But showing the other side of the fence could be interesting.

IMHO, of course.

As foretold in in the series itself...

StarGate: Wormhole Extreme

How about existing plotlines

During the ten seasons, the SG1 team has managed to piss off a lot of people, both on Earth and other places, and I don't mean just the Goa'uld. There's enough loose ends out there to weave together to create a practical united foe against SGC/Earth. For instance, what if someone survived from Euronda, joined up with some guys (The Trust or not - it would be interesting for us to find out what schisms happened within the NID/Trust/etc) who had become stranded off earth when using the second gate (i.e. we find out that O'Neill's double-crossing didn't clean up the whole nest of them), and manage to bust Loki out of whatever jail the Asgard are holding him in. Maybe they do some commerce with Ba'al. I'd love to see this, but it would become really confusing for people who haven't followed the series for ten years, unless it is very carefully written. This is in fact something I could do. I am available for hire :)

BIG BOOM!

All I gotta say is shit better blow up!
big boom
BIG BOOM!

Please translate from Marketing-speak

Gateworld reports that an exclusive, third Stargate series is in the works

In what way is it exclusive? Perhaps it excludes plot, character development, and good writing?

The new series is in the concept phase

OK...

and is being actively worked on by the Vancouver creatives behind Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis

Stop. Back up. What the hell is a "creative"? In my dictionary that's an adjective, not a noun. Nounizing adjectives is almost as bad as verbifying nouns...

No concept for the show has yet been revealed

which must be a tricky thing, since it is in the "concept phase". I think I'll wait for the "being phase" (assuming it gets the green light), or the "nothingness phase" (assuming it doesn't), before deciding that this is worthy of attention.

the series is likely for a 2007 debut

Keerist. I give up.

The US government only has so much money.

So I wonder where they will base their operations. At Stargate Command? They already have a series in production which was supposed to be different to SG1. Will this new series be cut off from Earth again or will they operate from Earth HQ?

Reboot like a Mummy?

Or some other type of series, based on the same idea of the Stargate but happening "back then when Goa'uld ruled the planets, and did the infighting, and were getting Jaffa to turn into their servants" and so on and so forth? Like Xena in Space with Goa'uld?
Because most of other "reboots" would be more like a soft reset with similar crews and directions :)

Wormhole Xtreme!

Actually, I always thought a spin-off of Stargate based on the campy "Wormhole Xtreme" series used in the show could offer some interesting possibilities. Granted it might only last a season at most, but Sci-Fi could easily polish it up to something on the level of their cheesy low-budget movies they show every couple weeks.

For example, instead using of a military trained crew, they could have a completely random set of civilians who accidentally become unwitting participants, ala Sliders, where they have to contend with both each other and each world they end up on. It could also play on the campy nature of various sci-fi shows from the 1960s-1980s (like Star Trek: TOS or the original Battlestar Galactica), where things just work out for no reason other than to advance the plot.

It'd be a nice break from the mind-numbing geek speak of Amanda Tapping/Micheal Shanks characters. It's just walk into a problem specific to the episode, fixing it and returning, only to start again next week.

How About The Ultimate Sci-Fi Showdown?

So get them all meeting somewhere in N Space: Next Gen, Farscape, Babylon 4 and 5, Kirk, Star Gate, Dr Who, DS9, Voyager. Lexx, The Fat guy from Lost, Quark, Heart of Gold and Zaphod, R2D2, The Cheddite Cheese Projector and the Bloater Drive and all those others that I've missed and just have it out in ONE BIG GIANT HUMONGOUS series where good vs evil with Mel Gibson doing the dialogue so no-one understands each other (except R2D2, Babel Fish, the characters of Lost In Space), all following the prime directive with idiotic, moronic Federation morality while the Shadows blast them all into subatomic particles that eventually coalesce into another one of those Big Bangs....
And this time I want to be reincarnated into something completely different!

suggested titles

When I heard that Atlantis was going to be about a crew marooned on another planet, searching for a way home, I thought of a few alternative titles for the series:

• Stargate: Voyager
• Stargate: Sliders
• Stargate: Quantum Leap
• Stargate: Farscape
• Stargate: Land of the Lost

Now that they are launching a third series, I have some more suggestions:

• Stargate: Special Victums Unit
• Stargate: Criminal Intent
• Stargate: Conviction
• Stargate: Trial by Jury

New title revealed!

and its called ...

CSI: Cheyenne

The Premise

The Stargate team encounters a powerful new enemy known as the 'Cylons'. When things start to look bleak for Earth, they are aided by a mysterious space / time traveler in a British police box.

More in Spring & Two Movies in Works

The following is quoted from www.GateWorld.net:

"Following the success of the 1994 film "Stargate," Stargate SG-1 debuted in 1997, and spun off Stargate Atlantis in 2004. The two shows return to SCI FI Channel in the U.S. with new episodes in April. The spring run of 10 episodes each will mark the series finale of SG-1, and the third season finale of Atlantis.

Stargate Atlantis returns for its fourth season later in 2007.

Meanwhile, SG-1 will continue with two movies, presumably direct-to-DVD, currently aiming for a fall 2007 release."

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/12/exclusive_th ird_istargatei_serie.shtml [gateworld.net]

Ugh..

Puleeze.. SG1 was NOT that good. Atlantis is worse.

I am glad to hear it. SG1 is surprisingly good

If they think they can run two series at the same time, I am all
for it.

The series so far have hinged on the gate remaining a secret to the
general populace. Perhaps they should jump ahead to a time when the
general populace first "gets" space travel and access to the gate and ships.
There would be a lot of problems. People often want to do things
they arent ready for yet. There would be turf wars as people competed
for prime locations on other planets. Clashes with natives. Opening
various pandora's boxen. Political tensions as the wave of earthers
hits the galaxy. The SG teams could be like rescue rangers getting
silly colonists out of problems and dealing with various hostilities.

Just an idea....

Not the Third Series...

It may have been unwatchable children's drek, but there was an animated Stargate: Infinity [tv.com] as well as the current two shows.

You really have to ask?

...and what the concept behind the show will be?

I'm guessing it will involve a bunch of Air Force nerds who travel through a magic gate to other planets which all oddly resemble either California or British Coloumbia, and once there, do whatever the Star Trek crew did in whatever episode of Star Trek the script for this particular episode of the new Stargate was lifted from. And they'll throw in a popular nerd or two from some other nerdy show to ensure that nerds bother to watch.

Just another confirmation

Rumor about the new series as been going on for over a year now, with some hints of that being based in a new galaxy (not the Milky Way, nor the Pegasus Galaxy). We'll see...

First possible cast member named

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=720 [stargate-s...utions.com] Shanks approached to star in 3rd Stargate series! "Now Stargate SG1 Solutions can exclusively reveal that SG1's Michael Shanks, who plays Dr. Daniel Jackson on the show, has already been approached to star in the third Stargate series! We were informed by a source close to the production that Shanks would be lead actor and Daniel Jackson the main character in the spinoff." So, the scoops aren't so exclusive anymore ;) It will be interesting to see how some portions of fandom react to this tidbit.

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This is still one thing that has not been used on star gate yet

Direct-to-dvd Movies?

Direct-to-dvd movies? Since when? This is the first I've heard of them.

Stargate SG2: Beating A Dead Horse

That's right, reuse the timeline! A new exciting series follows the exploits of SG2--visiting counless uninhabited worlds, filling out paperwork, cleaning up the base after SG1 messes it up. Great fun!

Man do I hate Stargate

I mean, that is some seriously shitty science fiction. The first couple of seasons of SG1 were somewhat palatable, but the rest (and especially Atlantis) is just horrid, horrid tripe.

Just had to get that off my chest. It's a sad state of affairs for TV science fiction when the Stargates are considered some of the "better" shows.

Re:Yay, just what I wanted

Why not another Star Trek? Oh wait, with some minor modifcations, Stargate is Star Trek.

And with some minor modifications Star Trek is Doctor Who which with some minor modifications is Battlestar Galactica which is very similar to Lost in Space which seems a lot like Futurama, a show that brings back memories of Andromeda which is like that old show...

Science fiction based around space travel is simply a variation on a theme. Some guys have this thing (Stargate, Enterprise, TARDIS, Galactica, Jupiter 2, Planet Express) that takes them around the galaxy and they meet these bad guys and they have to outwit them and they do nice things and sometimes bad things and gosh that's all there is to it.

Some have more direction (new BSG, DS9) than others which just wander around (TNG, Dr Who) while some do a bit of both (SG1). Nobody is claiming that Stargate is a brilliant new idea, just that it's an idea it's been well executed and well received (based on it's 10 years on the air if nothing else).

Re:Third?

Say it three times and we can pretend it doesn't exist:
They did it for the lulz,
They did it for the lulz,
They did it for the lulz.

Re:Yay, just what I wanted

Yes it is a bit repetitive. But only a series like Stargate and SG:Atlantas could pull it off. They have some really great jokes and wit in there.

Re:Plot Summary

Mod parent down; this is the plot summary for the failed cartoon spinoff Stargate Infinity.

Why not another Star Trek?

yeah like Captain Wesley Crusher! [slashdot.org]