DeepSeek's AI App Will 'Highly Likely' Get Banned in the US, Jefferies Says 48
DeepSeek's AI app will highly likely face a US consumer ban after topping download charts on Apple's App Store and Google Play, according to analysts at US investment bank Jefferies. The US federal government, Navy and Texas have already banned the app, and analysts expect broader restrictions using legislation similar to that targeting TikTok.
While consumer access may be blocked, US developers could still be allowed to self-host DeepSeek's model to eliminate security risks, the analysts added. Even if completely banned, DeepSeek's impact on pushing down AI costs will persist as US companies work to replicate its technology, Jefferies said in a report this week reviewed by Slashdot.
The app's pricing advantage remains significant, with OpenAI's latest o3-mini model still costing 100% more than DeepSeek's R1 despite being 63% cheaper than o1-mini. The potential ban comes amid broader US-China tech tensions. While restrictions on H20 chips appear unlikely given their limited training capabilities, analysts expect the Biden administration's AI diffusion policies to remain largely intact under Trump, with some quota increases possible for overseas markets based on their AI activity levels.
While consumer access may be blocked, US developers could still be allowed to self-host DeepSeek's model to eliminate security risks, the analysts added. Even if completely banned, DeepSeek's impact on pushing down AI costs will persist as US companies work to replicate its technology, Jefferies said in a report this week reviewed by Slashdot.
The app's pricing advantage remains significant, with OpenAI's latest o3-mini model still costing 100% more than DeepSeek's R1 despite being 63% cheaper than o1-mini. The potential ban comes amid broader US-China tech tensions. While restrictions on H20 chips appear unlikely given their limited training capabilities, analysts expect the Biden administration's AI diffusion policies to remain largely intact under Trump, with some quota increases possible for overseas markets based on their AI activity levels.
It's a webpage frontend (Score:2)
What is the point of banning what is essentially a web page front end "app"? People can just go to the page itself.
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>if something is difficult to access
https://www.deepseek.com/ [deepseek.com]
kek.
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That stat is as relevant and as pulled out of your ass as the observation that 95-99% of apps are used by almost no one.
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And this interacts with my point... how exactly?
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And when Xi finds out he'll have to download the Equifax torrent to get SSNs instead, he'll be discouraged by the risk of getting caught seeding. Discouragement all around. That's how you win.
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You don't need to download anything to use deepseek. Browsers now come bundled with pretty much everything, and that's all you need to just visit https://www.deepseek.com/ [deepseek.com]
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I don't think they are. TFS specifically addresses the app store downloads, and also says that "US developers" will be allowed to self-host the model.
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If you're talking about running a model on an inference machine, that's not happening on a phone. If I remember correctly, it was around 700GB that you need to shove into RAM and be easily addressable.
We're talking a decent server levels of RAM. You'll also need equivalent amount of fast storage to load it from.
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What is the point of banning what is essentially a web page front end "app"? People can just go to the page itself.
Don't second guess MAGA their intellect far surpasses yours, they play 9th dimensional chess.
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>analysts at US investment bank Jefferies
To be fair, considering how ridiculously popular Trump has been in his second win, I guess even investment bankers are MAGA.
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Because it has a measurable effect in the benefit of the lawmaker.
Making it slightly harder will result into a lot less use and adoption.
Losing to the competition? (Score:2, Insightful)
Ban it outright! The USA way.
You know it must be pretty good (Score:4, Insightful)
If the powers that be keep saying how dangerous it is and quickly this software should be banned.
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Re:You know it must be pretty good (Score:4, Funny)
/me sighs and rolls eyes
That's not how you get it. You just need to buy $50M (or is it $100M) worth of condoms and trade it to Hamas in exchange for fentanyl, which you then smuggle across the Canadian border together. You can set up the Hamas meeting using TikTok. Make sure to avoid Springfield Ohio on the way home though as there are some very dangerous Haitians there who might eat your pets.
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Fentanyl has many legitimate medical uses.
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You right. Should try some Fentanyl.
If I am ever in a situation where I would need fentanyl I absolutely will. It is a legitimate drug with specific use.
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I had some when I got my last colonoscope, it was pretty good stuff actually! I can see why people like it so much...
We absolutely must have side loading (Score:2)
This is an example of where our rights are being trampled on to project the fragility of our government. I loathe China and all it does, but this isn't how to fight them.
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Considering you can re-train a language model for $50 and the right knowledge, and general purpose laptops and desktops (albeit, relatively mid- to high- grade) have enough power to run these LLMs locally, I don't see why it's even a concern at this point.
You can tape DeepLlama or whatever and retrain it from being a milquetoast establishment "global warming is caused by humans only and there is one Chinese government and TS never happened" to be a MAGA flat earth groyper if you wanted to for very little mo
It's open source (Score:4, Informative)
You can't ban math (Score:2)
Re: You can't ban math (Score:2)
The new president has done more in 1 week than any president has done in an entire term!! The price of gas and groceries has dropped
He could definitely ban math. He's been hearing some very bad things about math.
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yep (Score:1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
The app is meaningless (Score:4, Insightful)
The code and the paper that describes how it works is already widely used across the world
The battle is not between the US and China, it's between the monopolists and governments who want to own the tech and the open source geeks who want it free for all
You can free the code all you want (Score:2)
If you try to get the capital together so you can build out a data center to start a business doing what the big boys do they just won't give it to you. You won't be able to get loans because who in the right mind would loan you and your little startup money when they could just buy some stock in the dominant player in the market and sit back as it shoots up and they make money
Gonna repeat this more and more (Score:4, Insightful)
The great firewall of the USA will be built brick by brick.
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1. No one really cares about circumvention in China. It's something you can let happen for the kind of people who want to feel rebellious and enjoy breaking harmless rules, and it's a weapon you can turn on actual dissenters to throw them in jail when you decide they've "gone too far". Win-win for the government. I don't foresee the US approach being different in this respect.
2. I hate to tell you this, but every ISP is functionally a "separate internet" with a few specific bridges to the rest of the i
What exactly is illegal? (Score:2)
If you don't know -- because it's not mentioned in the blurb -- DS is open source. Here's the Github page: github.com/deepseek-ai
How, then, does one "ban" something that can be cloned and run on your local machine? As importantly, what exactly does "ban" mean? For instance, I'm interested in using the method of Floating-Point-8, which DS used. This uses 8 bit floating point numbers to approximate real numbers, during the training, instead of the coventional 16-bit or 32-bit floating point numbers. This all
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DeepSeek is also the name a hosted service with an app (that uses the DeepSeek model ...)
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