Web OS, ajaxWindows Launched 211
BigRedFed writes "Michael Robertson, of mp3.com fame, Linspire.com fame (or infamy depending on your view point) and more recently, ajax13.com has released another interesting piece of web software. ajaxWindows they are calling it and it's an almost full fledged web based OS that you can use to transport around your documents and mp3 collection to any device with an internet connection and a full web-browser."
That went down fast (Score:5, Funny)
As Scotty once said ... (Score:3, Funny)
And that's too bad
Guess I'll just start commenting anyway.
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500 Servlet Exception java.io.FileNotFoundException:
Re:As Scotty once said ... (Score:5, Funny)
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Actually, Bones (McCoy) said that.
Scotty said: "If I give her any more, she'll blow apart!"
(hate to nitpick, but it IS Star Trek!)
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I guess you are right, but any time I hear "Dead" and "Jim" in the same sentence, my mind goes to either McCoy or Futurama Season 4 Ep 12 Where No Fan Has Gone Before when all the trekkies were being executed.
Nichelle Nichols: "And so the Trekkies were executed in the mannor most befitting virgins."
Fan 1: "whooo"
Officer: "He is dead Jim."
Fan 2: "warrrr"
Officer: "He is dead Jim."
Fan 3: "uahhhh"
Officer: "He is dead Jim."
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ajax dot com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX9SvLtr4J8 [youtube.com]
I'm not entirely sure what to make of it yet. It *is* a full web interface. Which is a bonus for them. (Finally.) On the other hand, I was unable to determine if it was just XUL all over again. Which would still be neat, but not nearly as neat as it could be. There's practically no mention of ajaxOffice anywhere, with the video advertising Google Office apps. Hmm...
All the desktop widgets app
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Most of it just opens up a new browser window.
It's a novel idea, but a toy. Much IMO like Linspire...
You DOSsed My OS! (Score:5, Funny)
I'M IN UR OS, STEALIN' UR WEBZ!
Scalable? (Score:4, Funny)
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Blue Screen of Death (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Blue Screen of Death (Score:5, Insightful)
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And if it doesn't have propellers, it can't be an airplane.
Seriously, your comment brought to mind a bumper sticker I saw a few weeks ago: "If it ain't King James, then it ain't Bible!"
Whether it meets your definition of "OS" or not, I wouldn't mind being able to access my documents and applications from any computer (including public ones) with a 'net connection and web browser.
Not that this is going to be that, or not that it can be made sufficiently secure, or n
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(Wait - different methods of portability, each useful in different sets of circumstances? No...)
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Ajax13?
I bet they just fried their server's CPU and they don't have any spares so they must go on a long journey to find a new one, saving the world in the process.
Trademark anyone? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Trademark anyone? (Score:4, Informative)
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Its slogan was "Stronger than dirt!", a reference to the mythical character Ajax.
...and mp3 collection (Score:2)
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Operating System (Score:5, Interesting)
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Also:
"Thank you for visiting ajaxwindows.com
ajaxWindows and the Ajax13 web site are temporarily down for planned
maintenance. We expect to be back up by 2:30pm, PDT on 9/10/07
Thanks for your interest, please visit our site again, soon."
What shit. Yeah, I'm going to trust my files to that.
File Storage and Editing (Score:2)
It's a file storage, manager and an editor. That's an operating system to most people. Everything else is part of the machine, like the CPU heat sink, that no one cares about.
Realizing this is part of Google's success. They make it easy for people to store and manipulate their stuff and all they ask in return are text ads.
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Guess what? This is a technical website. Your mom may not know (or care), what an operating system is, but 99.9% of the people here *do*. If you want a non-technical, dumbed down discussion of technology, GTFO.
Just because some marketting asshat at ajaxWindows claims they have a "web OS", doesn't make it true.
Re:Operating System (Score:5, Informative)
It's really an Ajax-based GUI API [wikipedia.org]. Referring to it as an "operating system" is dumb, but consistent with the way most people deal with OSs. When you hear people moan about the demise of Amiga or NextStep or Be, they almost always talk about some cool GUI feature or application, not about the software or hardware platforms the GUI is built on. And yet it's the software and hardware platforms that ultimately distinguishes one system from another. A GUI can be implemented anywhere.
But people talk about what they know, and what most people know is the GUI. So to most people, the GUI is the OS.
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Of course, this is just an academic excercise. The actual results will be pretty much useless.
Reboot the internet plz (Score:5, Funny)
Thanks in advance!
Web Desktop, Not OS (Score:5, Insightful)
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Calling something like this an "OS" really gets on my nerves, mostly because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what an OS is. For me, what's really sad is not that the author claims that the product is "a complete virtual PC", but that I'm hoping the misleading marketing was intentional.
I suppose I shouldn't let it bother me too much, but still... this reminds me so much of the "internet is inside the little blue e" stuff.
Web OS (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdotted. (Score:4, Interesting)
"Thank you for visiting ajaxwindows.com
ajaxWindows and the Ajax13 web site are temporarily down for planned
maintenance. We expect to be back up by 2:30pm, PDT on 9/10/07
Thanks for your interest, please visit our site again, soon."
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It now says:
Thank you for visiting ajaxwindows.com
We are currently experiencing massive amounts of user registrations and traffic.
Please check back with us in a few minutes.
Thanks for your interest, The Ajax13 Team
YAWOS (Score:4, Funny)
Well, maybe... (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, ya think?
Damn, I love this guy. Who else would do something like this? Bear in mind, this is the guy whom Microsoft sued for using the name Lindows, and ends up getting paid $20 million [webpronews.com]. Oh, and the RIAA? While others end up paying the record labels thousands for petty downloading, Michael Robertson founds MP3.com, commercializes file sharing, and gets paid hundreds of millions [webpronews.com] and then goes on to take that money to start Lindows, which, of course, lays the foundation for another pay day. And all of it using open source software.
So when Michael Robertson says that he is ready, I interpret this to mean that he is getting ready for another pay day at Microsoft's expense. LOL, party at Michael's house!
Re:Well, maybe... (Score:4, Informative)
I am currently using Ubuntu 7.04. But if you askme what is the reason why I am not using Linspire, the answer is because I just got to the Linspire page *after* Installing Ubuntu in my PC. But, for my non-freedom-advocacy-crazy (similarly to almost all the PC end users) needs, Linspire seems really appealing.
Linspire brings GNU/Linux to the mainstream (Score:3, Insightful)
One of the biggest contributions that Michael Robertson made to the Free Software community (yes, that means all of us, including Eric S. Raymond) is that he envisioned a commercial distro which would be palatable to North Americans. I have traveled to 3 continents and five nations to shoot filmed interviews
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I just can't stand people who think that wanting free (as freedom) software is crazy, religious or unpractical. Mostly because it is actually the opposite, open source is the most practical thing for end users, since they get the advantages from software without having to suffer the problems of proprietary software later. If end users were truly practical they would prefer the open source way.
And if you think Linspire seems really appealing just install KDE to your ubuntu box and get a custom theme, oh g
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And yet this "not much more than just adding KDE and propietary garbage" is what makes people buy Linspire and hence, adopt Linux! Maybe you read my comment wrongly, I have nothing against any other peop
FTR... (Score:3, Insightful)
Michael Robertson is a stealth revolutionary (Score:3, Interesting)
Richard Stallman formalized the idea of "Free Software." Steve Weber gave Free Software a new name, calling it an "anti-rival" resource [wikipedia.org],
They called it what? (Score:2)
I mean, Lindows went down for Chrissake, and these guys believe Microsoft won't go after them for trademark infringement? And rightly so. Many people may be mislead this is actually *Windows* written in ajax. And it's not. It's same poor imitation that has windows.
"Windows" is a registered trademark for an OS. If they claim this is "Web OS" they have, then quite rightly they will be sued and lose.
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"Windows" = aspirin (Score:3, Interesting)
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I'll accept that you call this "brilliant" only if we call patent trolls "brilliant". Because that's what his strategy is: a mutated version of patent trolling.
If Microsoft doesn't sue, they'll lose the trademark, if they sue, they'll lose the trademark. I can think of plenty of things Microsoft can be attacked for, an picking a generic word for their well recognized Windows brand isn't one of those.
Yea it's a pity they didn'
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Oh but nobody is to blame here except for Microsoft, for calling their product as a very generic name used in the industry. The truth is that they should not have a Trademark on such a word. And if they have been able to hold it until now is because of the fear they pu
Robertson != a patent troll (Score:2)
No,
I'll wait... (Score:2)
isBroke() (Score:3, Funny)
google (Score:2, Informative)
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Internet explorer (Score:2)
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Practical? (Score:4, Insightful)
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So yeah, as Online Desktop I think it might be something nice, of course I personally *hate* JavaScript bloated Apps, in part because the same nature of javascript
Remote Desktop/VNC (Score:2)
The ultimate irony (Score:2)
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Would you trust this man with your daughter? (Score:2, Interesting)
Awesome! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sitting at a Sun Ultra 40 running Windows XP 64-bit edition. 4 CPU cores. 8GB RAM. NVIDIA QuadroFX 3450 graphics. I'm on a gigabit connection to a major internet link (major financial news and data company). Even so, ajaxWindows recreates that, sticky, gummy, nasty feeling of running X-Windows when the machine isn't really powerful enough and dragging solid windows around is still a reckless waste of horsepower.
The early 90s called, they want their SPARCstation 5s back.
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)
They can't have it - I'm using it as a printserver!
Back up, so... critique. (Score:5, Informative)
The server running slowly showed up some serious cracks in their design. First off, they're calling this AJAX? It _pauses_ while downloading stuff. Some core code is _not_ asynchronous.
There are a number of problems with the user interface. At one point I was prompted with a browser window about trusting the site without any comment that this would happen. When I said I didn't trust it, I ended up with a box on the screen that obscured other windows, even when they were supposedly in front of it in z-order. Assuming the content would have been implemented with Java, I don't see how this is ever going to be different, even if I had decided to trust it (Java applet components cannot have HTML-rendered components in front of them; basic browser limitation).
When I told it to add a new application, it crashed. No components worked.
Many elements of the user interface are blatant ripoffs of other people's designs. The add applications dialog uses an almost identical layout and icon set to Microsoft's similar control panel application in Windows. The icon for their "synchronize" application is a direct rip-off of Palm's HotSync icon.
And finally, when I closed the desktop window, it crashed Firefox. I couldn't switch tabs, and couldn't set the focus to any controls. I had to kill it and restart to post this message.
thats ajax for you mate (Score:2)
client side scripting = gambling
Old Concept, New Technology (Score:2)
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Nah, that's written in Ajax too, but it just seems to work better and the web browser is from within the 'os'. ajaxWindows just has a better UI.
Ajax Windows (Score:3, Funny)
The web is a platform? (Score:3, Informative)
Sorry, couldn't help it.
silly (Score:3, Interesting)
So I guessed that 'Yes' meant that I want to 'continue' loging out.
Anyway, for me in FF 1.5 the right click on the 'desktop' showed to menues at the same time: on the bottom there was this 'os' context menu and on the top there was FF context menu and I could only chose items in the FF context menu.
The windows are slow. The widgets did not execute (some error.) The 'console' didn't open (maybe for IE it will, I don't know.) What is the point of all of this?
Beware (Score:4, Informative)
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Second, we collect personal and personally identifiable information such as your name, email address, physical address, telephone number, credit card number and information concerning software downloaded, products and content purchased, accessed and/or downloaded through our products and services.
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Choice/Opt-Out Back to top
We do not disclose an individual customer's personally identifiable information to third parties for third-party direct marketing purposes if we have received and processed a request from that customer not to have his or her personal information shared for this purpose. You may submit this type of opt-out request by sending an email to: information@Ajax13.com with the words "Opt Out" in the subject line, or to the following mailing address: Customer Service, Ajax13, Inc., 5960 Cornerstone Court West, Suite 100, San Diego, CA 92121. In addition, we also allow you to decide whether you want to receive further marketing information from us. If you do not want Ajax13 to send to you announcements or special offers by email, please email us in the same manner as described above with the word "Remove" in the subject line. Please allow up to two weeks for your request to be processed.
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Looks like they can sell your info to spammers unless you opt-out. If you wan't to try them out, do not give them your "good" email address.
It sort of pretends to be an OS... (Score:2)
Hit the "start" button at the bottom. Open "Programs > Accessories > Console" (yes, this thing has a fake version of cmd.exe, limited to basic navigation and file copying)
You start in the "root directory". Run "del Applications", "del Documents", "del Pictures", and "del System".
Your root directory is now empty. There are no "files" on your "drive". The "desktop" doesn't crash, nor does it update in any way, nor does the start menu change, but all the shortcuts on the desktop stop working
YAY! (Score:5, Funny)
No thanks.
Well... (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem with web desktops is that these guys aren't asking the question, "What problem do people have that we can solve using Javascript?" They're asking, "How cool would it be if we could make a desktop on the web?!" It's a solution looking for a problem.
This sort of thing could be REALLY useful, but not by emulating desktops. I'm never in the position where I say, "Hey, I wish I could click on desktop icons remotely." Emulating vi [sourceforge.net] or emacs in Javascript, however, kicks ass, because I *always* want vi keybindings in browser text areas, and making quick changes to web sites with a decent editor in Javascript would mean I could skip the "upload the changes via ftp" step that cheap web hosts make you go through.
I also don't know why the people who write these things can't implement a "window" with a border properly so that the border doesn't lag horribly behind the window content when you drag it. Use a div, and make it draggable. Put the content inside. Then make your empty window div a Javascript prototype so that Javascript applications can subclass it. Don't worry about shiny gradients until I can drag a window without it falling apart.
Re:Lawyers (Score:4, Insightful)
They'll pull out the checkbook and pay him off again, or ignore it and hope it goes away on its own. The last thing they want is for this to go to court again.
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They'll pull out the checkbook and pay him off again, or ignore it and hope it goes away on its own. The last thing they want is for this to go to court again.
Can you honestly say "Windows" is a generic OS name though? Do you often confuse Windows, the OS with a bunch of glass windows in your office?
This is really sad, but looks like this guy has c
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One of the oddities of trademark law is that you can't trademark a word already in common usage. As Bill Gates mentioned in his book, Microsoft was not allowed to trademark "Windows" by the Patent and Trademark Office. However, they were allowed to patent "Microsoft Windows".
By using such a generic name, Microsoft set themselves up for a difficult legal situation. The
Re:And I thought Web 2.0 was a bunch of hype (Score:5, Insightful)
That's funny, I have no trouble at all accessing your documents...
Accessing 404 errors (Score:2)
Maybe you can download it? (Score:2)
Re:Transport my docs and mp3? (Score:5, Funny)
Gates: You got your Javascript in my Windows!
Web2.0: You got your Windows in my Javascript!
Your USB stick is easier to use and faster. But behold! My block of swiss cheese has a stronger security model!
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Money=shit? (Score:3, Informative)
Didn't Microsoft BUY the Lindows trademark, for whatever reason?
Man, that wily Gates! He sure knows how to piss someone off by throwing money at them!
Re:Response from Redmond? (Score:5, Funny)
If "shit" = $20 million, I'd like some shit, too.
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Not if you're Michael Robertson and you are addicted to publicity.
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