The Internet At 35 321
Anonymous writes "CNN has a story on the 35th anniversary of the Internet, overviewing its past and the future. According to the article the history began on 'September 2, 1969, as bits of meaningless test data flowed silently between the two computers.' So, happy birthday, the Internet!"
editors? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:editors? (Score:5, Funny)
Holy mother of Christ on a stick (Score:2, Funny)
This time I won't do computer science.
...I blame Y2K. (Score:3, Funny)
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Seems like a substantial difference. Maybe it's just round-off errors or something.
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I don't trust your math (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I don't trust your math (Score:2, Funny)
Count with porn (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Count with porn (Score:3, Funny)
You think it took until it was made open to the public for the first porn was available? You obviosly don't know how boring it could be sitting and feeding punch cards in... Go ASCII pr0n! Woohoo...
Re:editors? (Score:5, Funny)
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He's talking about the internet being 35.
the Internet, however, is 25.
Re:editors? (Score:5, Insightful)
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peculiarmethod
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Don't worry, the Internet, it's OK to be 35- you're a hot technology trend! You know what they say about the lifetime of those! The Internet, why are you sobbing? Come back!
Haha (Score:5, Funny)
35 and counting (Score:5, Funny)
What I am looking forward to the day when we finally get beyond the meaningless test data phase...uh, anyway, I looked at /. for the day and am off to the email account to perform a spam harvest.
Re:Haha (Score:4, Funny)
Geek 1: Pip, pip! I do believe I have the first post!
Geek 2: Oh drat! You beat me to it, ol' chap!
Geek 1: Cheerio!
Over the hill (Score:5, Funny)
I motion that... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I motion that... (Score:5, Funny)
Seconded (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I motion that... (Score:4, Funny)
(What, you honestly think they were all accidental?)
Memories.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Memories.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Memories.... (Score:5, Funny)
I have always thought that all non-AOL users should get to sue AOL for bringing all of these 'users' onto the Internet in the first place.
Re:Memories.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Then it was just a matter of dialing up at 2400 baud and batch downloading everything we could find. Of course, this was using Telix in DOS, so to actually see anything in real-time we'd use a TSR program (ShowGIF?) that'd decode the image as it was written to disk. We'd stare at the image as it came across line by line, and try to figure out what body parts we were looking at.
"Is that an elbow?" "No, I think it's a knee." "No, no, it's the back of someone's neck..." "No it's not, it's a... oh, God! Cancel!! Hit cancel!! My eyes!"
Great fun, and really challenging when you've got four or more people in an unusual configuration in the picture.
Of course, the 40 meg hard drive didn't leave much room for pr0n archives. We had to start offloading it to 200 meg QIC tapes at some point. Ah, the good old days.
Re:Memories.... (Score:5, Funny)
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That was on a 14.4 with VGA graphics. But immediately before that I had a 2400 with EGA, so any pics that weren't ASCII art really just weren't worth the download.
Dirty text files, on the other hand...
Re:Memories.... (Score:2)
First Data Transmitted on the Internet (Score:5, Funny)
I get the feeling... (Score:4, Funny)
The Internet... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The Internet... (Score:2)
Re:The Internet... (Score:2)
35 years going on 25 (Score:4, Funny)
And now it's just bought a Porsche and is going in for botox treatments.
Silly Mainstream News... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Silly Mainstream News... (Score:5, Interesting)
Ditto there are issues with the various routing protocols, which are issues not just with any particular implementation of that protocol but with the protocol itself.
Re:Silly Mainstream News... (Score:3, Insightful)
Ever hear of the TCP slow start attack?
Wonder why ping flooding is possible (hint ICMP goes directly over IP not via TCP which would prohibit this particular attack in its most common form)?
They shouldn't beat themselves up too hard, though; heck, even SSL v 1.0 was a total and complete mess (but nothing compared to some other modern-day-designed doozies) and that was designed much later than the initial Internet was... and hence with a much greater
If the internet was a girl. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:If the internet was a girl. (Score:3, Funny)
The internet is lots of girls (Score:2, Funny)
Lighten up (Score:4, Funny)
The ARPAnet, not quite the Internet (Score:5, Informative)
But yes, it was in many ways better in the early days (pre-1993), because there was no spam, or for that matter any other advertising. Although Google and the like do sort of make up for it.
Re:The ARPAnet, not quite the Internet (Score:5, Interesting)
Then one day one of the bigger BBSs in town, a 10 node WildCat board got Lynx and things started to change.
I remember getting "online" in '94, hitting lycos to see what the fuss was about and feeling totally alone, like a little kid in a huge subway terminal full of hundreds of people, yet no one talking. And by then USENET was already just a place to get binaries.
Well, at least theres a community on slashdot, where else am I going to get my 1. Nat Portman 2. Hot Gritz 3. in Soviet Russia 4. BSD Dieing 5. Profit fix?
My how its changed, I miss 120 pixel wide, 16 color animated gif DMCAless banners.
Re:The ARPAnet, not quite the Internet (Score:3, Informative)
All the fun of BBS textfiles without the modem.
dunno about the Internet but (Score:3, Funny)
Re:dunno about the Internet but (Score:3, Funny)
Karma killer (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, who would even be surprised anymore if they didn't even see as much as an acknowledgement of the mistake being corrected, just a quick change from "25" to "35"?
What progress (Score:5, Insightful)
Today? Bits of meaningless data between millions of computers.
All joking aside though, I have no idea how people got anything done before the internet.
Need to fix something around the house? Check the 'net.
Need to figure out where the hell a business/friend is? Check the 'net.
Have some jackass who insists they're right about some obscure factoid, and want to make them admit they're full of crap now, before they can deny it ever happened? Good 'ol internet.
Between wireless, high-speed access, and laptops within an arm's reach, the average person now has access to information that used to be obscure and almost impossible to come by at a moments notice.
In 35 years, the internet has probably done more to change the way people live than any other invention. (at least in the last 100 years or so) That dude who discovered fire and the wheel did pretty well for humanity.
Re:What progress (Score:5, Informative)
Polio vaccine.
Traffic lights.
Frozen food.
Television.
Large-scale farming.
Credit cards.
Flouride.
There have been dozens if not hundreds of things invented in the past 100 years that have changed lifestyles more than the internet.
Re:What progress (Score:2, Insightful)
Television is the only thing I see on that list that could qualify with your statement. Everything else, though significant, is not in the same league. There are a LOT of people on this planet that if you were to send them back 100 years in the past, the net would be the thing they most ache for. (Unless they had polio
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Polio vaccine. -- Dont have polio
Traffic lights. -- round a bouts
Frozen food. -- fresh food, canned food
Television. -- radio, (internet)
Large-scale farming. -- an invention? or just bigger small scale farming?
Credit cards. -- cash, eftpos
Flouride. -- soap?
Well, basically what im saying is that stuff is hardly life changing, and barely affects me. Only TV comes close, and to be honest id trade TV for the Internet anyday - the only difference is the faster streaming of content
Re:What progress (Score:5, Funny)
That was back when people still left their houses to find their friends, and read books to research those obscure factoids
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This is how the Guinness Book of World Records began,... no really [wikipedia.org]
---Lane
Re:What progress (Score:2)
Today? Bits of meaningless data between millions of computers.
Dude, data is always meaningless... meaning happens between the ears of fuzzy-headed monkeys.
Re:What progress (Score:2)
First time cliche user.
Re:What progress (Score:2)
Need to fix something around the house? Check the 'net.
Need to figure out where the hell a business/friend is? Check the 'net.
Have some jackass who insists they're right about some obscure factoid, and want to make them admit they're full of crap now, before they can deny it ever happened? Good 'ol internet.
Oh come on. The internet certainly makes these tasks more convenient, but haven't you ever heard of a LIBRARY
Re:What progress (Score:5, Insightful)
Visiting the library once in a while is useful. It is quite a mistake to believe that the internet is a good source for all information you need. Sure, it can provide a lot of useful information but often in low quantities and very spread out (and what about peer-review?).
Finding good and useful information in a library is way more efficient than searching the web, if you compare time spend vs. amount of found (and good) information, IMHO.
Re:What progress (Score:2)
Today? Bits of meaningless data between millions of computers.
Waitaminnit, you're being unfair. Things haven't just stayed the same. Today, I get 2000 spams a week, and I can't stop them from coming. In 1969, I would have yelled across the room and said, "Hey, that's enough --- will you please shut off the meaningless data now?"
Re:What progress (Score:3, Funny)
Why don't you search Google and find out?
Internet Day - Sept 2 (Score:4, Funny)
What are you getting for Internet Day?
Why a new Cisco 7x00 series router!
Thank you Linus Claus!
Well, 35 years was a good run. (Score:2, Funny)
First Spam (Score:4, Funny)
So they first tested Internet with spam? With that kind of a start no wonder we're in the current mess!
Who would have guessed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Who would have guessed (Score:5, Insightful)
The Internet happened in a very different way. Its inception was, at the time, incomprehensible to everyone but a few smartypants researchers. And even those scientists really had no idea how the net would grow to encompass so much of our lives. Even fifteen years after its birth, very few people had any clue about the Internet. The Internet may have been technically born when the first two machines were plugged in, but it wasn't important until many years later, when it became a movement.
hahah (Score:2, Funny)
25 is isomorphic to 35- it changes randomly.
First 25, now 35, looky 25 is coming back soon!
In the year 2014.... (Score:5, Funny)
And... (Score:5, Funny)
language (Score:2, Interesting)
like the first word. What was the first word? it had to have happened somewhere at sometime, right?
We are fortunate enough to actually know when the first bits flowed accross this leap in human communication we call the Internet (or internet for those that like to mux with things).
But that first being on some ancient plain understanding the concept that she can convey an idea; that she has ideas, that she is something.
Someon
Re:language (Score:2)
Who discovered smoking? What possessed them to rip plants up, set fire to them, and inhale the vapors?
And how about sex? Falling in love might be a natural reaction, but how the hell did they figure that one out? What else went on?
ipv6 vs ipv4 inaccuracy in CNN article (Score:3, Informative)
Ipv4 running out of room is a bit of a myth -- there's still plenty of companies and uninversities with huge blocks of ipv4 address space that they have for historical reasons.
Most ipv4 stacks run on top of an ipv6 stack now and have for several years. I don't see what hardware has to do with it, unless they mean those old routers on the backbone. Most peoples' desktop's and server's NICs can already handle ipv6, and there's nothing stopping them from writing and using ipv6-based applications (client and server). Gettiing ipv6 packets through an ipv4-only backbone segment is just a matter of setting up a tunnel.
PS I think they meant internet turns 23 -- in hex
Re:ipv6 vs ipv4 inaccuracy in CNN article (Score:5, Informative)
Rather than debunk the myth, you've proved it.
The whole reason we're "running out of room" is that "old" companies have massive netblocks they're not even beginning to use.
This is like saying, "There's still plenty of land left in the city. Big companies bought it all up to hold onto." There's plenty of unused IPs out there. The problem is that they'll probably never be assigned.
I once wrote a script to do a whois on every Class A, and lump them into a text file. I was surprised to find that the United States Government owns something like 30 Class A's.
It's not a lack of unused IPs. It's a lack of allocatable IPs.
Re:ipv6 vs ipv4 inaccuracy in CNN article (Score:2)
Agreed!
The article put down to technology a problem that should properly be lain at the feet of bureaucracy and politics.
It's not the fault of the addressing protocol itself that its address space has been (in retrospect) misallocated.
The historical reasons for the misallocation is a whole nother topic, and I suspect has less to do with greed than with institutional inertia.
Re:ipv6 vs ipv4 inaccuracy in CNN article (Score:2)
imagine what going from ipv4 to ipv6 would do to the (already huge) routing tables (think BGP).-
also the increased overhead put (yet again) a bit more load on the backbone links.
off the top of my head of course. i'm sure there's more reasons
Re:ipv6 vs ipv4 inaccuracy in CNN article (Score:3, Informative)
It's the Meaning, Stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
Meaningless? Meaningless?
Those bits weren't "meaningless" -- they meant something very clear and important:
Test successful.
-kgj
BBN & IMP at McClellan (Score:4, Interesting)
Sorry, I don't have a photo (and couldn't find one via Google) -- cameras weren't allowed in the area. The very first IMPs looked like this [ed-thelen.org], though.
Chip H.
Was going so well (Score:5, Insightful)
So it started with technological innovation, and saw rapid development through the cooperation of governments and universities. It was refined and improved thanks to the effort of a bunch of awfully dedicated academics [postel.org] to the point where it could merge with mainstream technologies (talking PPP over analog phone modems). The new worldwide resource gave us the ability to communicate like never before [rfc-editor.org].
Things were going so well, until the marketers came on board and started flooding people with ads and junk whatever way they could find. Spam was funny at first; now it's a serious waste of bandwidth and resources, with business people resorting to purely criminal activities [securityfocus.com] in order to flood their advertising and harm benevolent volunteer organizations [google.com]. Thanks to dirty business the Internet has become a battle ground. Spyware and even viruses are directly linked [sysdesign.ca] to immoral advertising/spam.
Now, I don't hate marketing people (I run a businses, and am a student in Management) but it's safe to say that immoral marketers are f*cking up the Internet.
OSQ (Score:5, Funny)
Already 35? (Score:2, Informative)
Wait a sec... (Score:2)
INTERNET FOR PRESIDENT!
Houston we have a problem... (Score:4, Funny)
Astronaut: Houston, we have a problem...one of the display screens is reading "j00 R pAwned".
1969 Internet maps (Score:5, Interesting)
Older than 35 really... (Score:3, Interesting)
Not only is the Internet 35, but so is the WWW!!! (Score:3, Funny)
Web Turns 35, but Still Work in Progress
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s
Original IMP (Score:3, Interesting)
But nobody really cared at Case, because the emphasis there was on "high-capacity, fast-turnaround batch computing". They got really good at batch job processing. It was so cost-effective that Case stayed with it years after other schools went interactive.
technically, just the ArpaNet is 35 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Yay! (Score:5, Funny)
Too bad you can't buy intelligence, eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:And in this time of Celebration let us not forg (Score:3, Insightful)
Obligatory Simpsons Quote (Score:2)
Al Gore: [sitting motionless] "I will!"
Re:25?? (Score:2)
It's a dupe, duh!
It's Metric Years (Score:3, Insightful)
No, Really.
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
The poor thing is probably trying to get married; it's just that it's not a legal resident of San Francisco or Massachusetts. Just give it some time, and maybe it'll be able to at least get a civil union.