Vista Family Discount Keys Found Not Compatible

acousticiris writes "Many (if not all) users who took advantage of Microsoft's Vista Family Discount have been issued invalid installation keys and cannot install Windows Vista Home Premium. Microsoft says, 'There is no expected time period for a fix at this time.' According to the article, the keys are valid for something, just not Windows Vista. Perhaps it's just too simple to issue these folks new keys and send them on their way."

Paid customers getting the shaft?

Ah, whodathunkit? :P Anyway, I have an itchy feeling some cracker might be able to put out a valid serial generator before MS could fix this problem.

Re:Paid customers getting the shaft?

I am dating my self but I remember seeing that skit [jt.org] when it was first aired.
Mod parent Funny.

Re:Paid customers getting the shaft?

Ah, whodathunkit? :P Anyway, I have an itchy feeling some cracker might be able to put out a valid serial generator before MS could fix this problem.

Personally I believe in equal opportunity piracy. But, whatever floats your boat...

Why would they subject themselves to this?

I have to ask myself what sort of people would subject themselves to this sort of abuse. It has just been getting worse since the days of Windows 95. Every new release of Windows comes with some new anti-piracy hassle, and every time it seems to cause major problems.

I'd image such people at least somewhat competent when using a computer. Many non-technical computer users don't even know what Vista is, let alone that it has been released, and thus wouldn't be updating their systems so quickly. I'd expect such people would also be aware of how this sort of bullshit gets worse and worse with each release of Windows. Why do they accept being treated like criminals? Why do they accept being treated like nothing more than shit?

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

Also...

Why would they accept an OS that gets slower with every release? Why would they accept an OS that requires more and more from their hardware investment, eventually requiring replacement (as may be very likely the case with Vista) instead of getting sleeker and slimmer and more efficient? Why would they accept an OS that carries with it the highest threat of adware, viruses, worms, trojans - for whatever reason? When terrible mistakes are made - like activex - why don't they expect the company to fix those mistakes?

Just wondering. I mean clearly, they do not hold Microsoft to a very high standard. I left the OS a couple of years ago, having had all I was willing to take. But most people around me stick with MS, regardless of what trouble they have.

Personally, I think part of the answer is application lock-in; people who use some app that they can't get away from, and where the developers force them to upgrade to the next OS because otherwise, the next version or revision of the locked-in app won't work.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

Why would they accept an OS that gets slower with every release?

RH9 pretty much screamed on one of my home systems. FC1 was pretty snappy, too. FC3, not so much. FC5 was even a little slower. FC6 seemed to stabilize. In all cases, I was running a pretty basic desktop environment without anything flashy, not much in the way of extraneous services running (HTTP and FTP only), and only me accessing them.

All major OSes get some bloat as they grow. Vista's sheer size is inexcusable, but it's not terribly slower than XP, at least on a 1.6GHz P4 notebook.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

I run Tiger on a 900 MHz G3 iBook all the time. It's very usable. And my experience concurs with the GP's experience: it does seem significantly faster than Panther. However Tiger does require more RAM than Panther. If you don't have enough RAM, your computer will be paging to your hard drive pretty heavily, which could make Tiger appear slower than Panther. Add more RAM if you think Tiger is slower than Panther. Chances are, you just don't have enough.

That said, until you've booted Mac OS X public beta in 32 Megs of RAM, though, you don't know the definition of slow, and thus have no room to complain.... :-)

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

All major OSes get some bloat as they grow.

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Well, maybe that's a signal we're looking at things incorrectly, then. Why not build a stable core - multitasking, networking, application sandboxing, list management, basic graphics with user-settable bitmaps and/or polygonal models -- the rest of the usual suspects like disk io and USB -- and then let the user decide if they want, for instance, to add a 3d desktop with voice and haptic features, widgets, zooming, 400 language compatibility (OSX carries a crapload of language stuff to your drive it doesn't really need to, for instance) and drivers for every printer ever known to man?

That almost sounds like a linux release, but the key thing missing in all linux versions is a stable and always-there set of GUI tools so applications can run on the OS itself. linux (IMO) is crippled by that lack of a standard GUI layer. It has almost everything else, I'm perfectly ready to concede. Be nice if it had a little bit smarter permissions - like being able to say that "this dir is read/write, but nothing can execute here" without having to set the dir up on its own partition, etc., but at least there is a workaround.

In fact, that's how I ended up with Apple's OSX. It's almost linux from my user / developer point of view, but it has a solid GUI I am under the impression I can count on, and I don't have to pay fees to use or get the user to try to download.

I'd like to see something more basic, though. I know these marvelous machines we have today would run like raped apes if we actually tried to make them do so, instead of trying to make them do "everything for everybody." Vista's gone and collected 10% or so of a modern CPU for itself, if the rumors I hear are correct; is that really where we want to be? Damn, 10% of a modern CPU is what, 100% of one five years ago?

Sometimes I write software to run in a shell in OSX or linux and just enjoy the zappiness of it all. I am heavily involved in AI experimentation, particularly in the multiply-associative memory area, and I always write that stuff for a text shell. A real linux text shell actually runnning in text mode... man that's fast. :)

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Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

No. X11 is not a GUI, any more than the GDI or DirectX are GUIs for Windows.

X11 is the device-independent driver upon which GUIs (KDE, GNOME, GnuSTEP, XFCE...) are built.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

Well, maybe that's a signal we're looking at things incorrectly, then. Why not build a stable core - multitasking, networking, application sandboxing, list management, basic graphics with user-settable bitmaps and/or polygonal models -- the rest of the usual suspects like disk io and USB -- and then let the user decide if they want, for instance, to add a 3d desktop with voice and haptic features, widgets, zooming, 400 language compatibility (OSX carries a crapload of language stuff to your drive it doesn't really need to, for instance) and drivers for every printer ever known to man?

Primarily because the vast, vast majority of consumers lack the knowledge and, more importantly, the will, to do so.

Heck, *I* have zero interest in doing that sort of thing these days, and it wasn't that long ago I did the whole Linux-from-scratch thing, just for the hell of it. I'm more than happy to sacrifice some (dirt cheap) disk space and processor time, to save myself the effort of putting the whole thing together myself and subsequently having to keep it maintained. This is precisely the same reason I don't use Linux on my desktop - because it's more work to get everything going and keep it that way.

That almost sounds like a linux release, but the key thing missing in all linux versions is a stable and always-there set of GUI tools so applications can run on the OS itself.

Close. More important than the "set of GUI tools" is a standard, stable, "set of libraries" (I use the term "libraries", but I basically mean a stable, defined set of basic functionalities that will _always_ be present in a known form). This is a _huge_ feature than OS X (and Windows) has over Linux.

Hardware resources are _cheap_. My time - and developers' time - is _expensive_. Sacrificing hardware resources to get better software, quicker, is a more than reasonable tradeoff and, ultimately, the whole point of computers in the first place.

The point of software [like this] is not to use as little hardware resources as possible. The point of software is to make my life as easy as it possibly can and the hardware resources be damned.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

Heck, *I* have zero interest in doing that sort of thing these days, and it wasn't that long ago I did the whole Linux-from-scratch thing, just for the hell of it. I'm more than happy to sacrifice some (dirt cheap) disk space and processor time, to save myself the effort of putting the whole thing together myself and subsequently having to keep it maintained. This is precisely the same reason I don't use Linux on my desktop - because it's more work to get everything going and keep it that way.

No shit? Linux From Scratch is hard to maintain? I'm shocked! Shocked! Did you really just say that Linux From Scatch was hard to maintain, so you stopped using Linux? Linux From Scratch is meant to teach the deep inner workings of Linux, it's not supposed to be easy to maintain. There are dozens of Linux distros meant to be "easy to use", but you went ahead and picked the one that's purposely difficult? I don't think Linux From Scratch is your problem here.

Debian's testing branch is more stable than your LFS, it's current within a week of new software releases, and you can get daily automatic updates with a click of a button. I'm sure you'll point out some reason the average user is too stupid to do that, but it's a hell of a lot easier than LFS.

Close. More important than the "set of GUI tools" is a standard, stable, "set of libraries" (I use the term "libraries", but I basically mean a stable, defined set of basic functionalities that will _always_ be present in a known form). This is a _huge_ feature than OS X (and Windows) has over Linux.

Why should I, as a user, have to worry about libraries? I shouldn't. And with a distro like Debian or SuSe, I don't. I open Synaptic, click on the application I want, click "Apply", and the application is installed along with any necessary libraries. Oh, and it'll automatically get updated along with the rest of the system. Try doing that on Mac or Windows.

As a developer, I still don't see your point. It makes very little difference to me if I'm using the API built into the OS, or a third party library. In one case I'll have to add a line to the build scripts. Big fuckin' deal.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

``That almost sounds like a linux release, but the key thing missing in all linux versions is a stable and always-there set of GUI tools so applications can run on the OS itself. linux (IMO) is crippled by that lack of a standard GUI layer.''

I still fail to see how this makes sense. I think you have fallen into the trap of thinking that Linux is an operating system. It's not. Linux is the kernel. From there, you mix and match. Most distros use a GNU userland, but there are other options. Many distros use X.org, but there are other options. Some distros use GNOME. Others use KDE. Others use neither. If you think of Linux as an operating system, it's a big mess. But how can you think of something embedded in your WLAN router and something that runs your desktop with OpenGL and bells and whistles as the same OS?

Once you accept that there isn't a single Linux OS, but that there are multiple operating systems, each built on top of the Linux kernel, things will start to look very different. Now, for example, you have FREESCO, which doesn't have a GUI (I think), and Ubuntu, which uses GNOME for its GUI.

Now, back to your comment. You say:

``the key thing missing in all linux versions is a stable and always-there set of GUI tools''

Ubuntu has these, and so do many other distros.

``linux (IMO) is crippled by that lack of a standard GUI layer.''

I don't see how the fact that FREESCO does not incorporate GNOME cripples Ubuntu in any way.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

I have to ask myself what sort of people would subject themselves to this sort of abuse. It has just been getting worse since the days of Windows 95. Every new release of Windows comes with some new anti-piracy hassle, and every time it seems to cause major problems.

They just don't think there is an alternative. They are so used to Windows that they think a Mac would be difficult to use, and as for Linux: "it's just for hackers and geeks isn't it?"

To use an old truism: "the devil you know ...."

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

"Why do they accept being treated like criminals? Why do they accept being treated like nothing more than shit?"

Don't know if you're in the US, but it's commonplace here now. For example, if you have a head cold and want some plain old Sudafed, you are treated as a possible criminal and have your license scanned or number tracked on paper and you have to sign for it.

Actually, I tend to feel like I'm being treated like a criminal unless I've been robbed.

Re:Why would they subject themselves to this?

I just posted this in the topic about Window's new DRM patents, and realized after that that discussion is already dead. Seems everyone jumped into the discussion about the guy who gave up on Linux after 10 years, and now there has been almost a dozen discussions since then. I just want to make a point I feel really strongly about. I don't think there is anything really wrong with this if you are up front about it. At the risk of being marked off topic, here I go with my little rant...

While many of you Linux user don't seem to be too worried about this, I think you should be. As pointed out by others, it will have a detrimental effect right across the board. No more dual boot with Windows and Linux. No Wine, no more popular drivers for Linux because of the DRM, no virtual machines that run Linux without paying a Windows tax, and in the end, it will get harder every day to find a computer that will even run Linux.

As a Window's programmer since 3.1, I am seeing a nightmare scenario staring me in the face. I can see the day coming when a person can no longer develop software on their own computer, because it will only run in some kind of sandbox, if at all, unless you buy a special developer's license. Of course I too will finally defect to Linux long before that happens, if that is still an option.

I'm am seriously disturbed by the vision I am seeing in all I have read tonight - but I am too tired to articulate it all - it's late at night where I am at the moment and it's been a long day. It's like someone said - the frog in the pot thing - the public has to wake up to this DRM business before it's too late.

Before I go - there is one more thing I want to get off my chest here. One might hope and pray that it will be stopped by anti-trust laws before it goes too far, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Why did the courts not press for a breakup of Microsoft? I think they were leaned on by the US government - for a reason I have not seen articulated before. The fact is that Microsoft is a US corporation, one of America's finest. It brings in big bucks to the good ol' US of A. So from a local perspective, among fellow Americans, Microsoft's monopolistic practices are scandalous, but if an American - especially a Congressman - looks at it from a nationalistic perspective, it's good for America. In fact, the worse it becomes (the monopolistic practices) the better it is for USA. Bill Gates' age old dream of world domination happens to coincide with America's dream of world domination. That's why we can't count on the US courts to put a stop to this.

Wow - I didn't think I was going to say all these things. It's like suddenly I see where all this is going now, and it's real scary.

Not just MS, it's DRM, too.

Before I go - there is one more thing I want to get off my chest here. One might hope and pray that it will be stopped by anti-trust laws before it goes too far, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Why did the courts not press for a breakup of Microsoft? I think they were leaned on by the US government - for a reason I have not seen articulated before. The fact is that Microsoft is a US corporation, one of America's finest. It brings in big bucks to the good ol' US of A. So from a local perspective, among fellow Americans, Microsoft's monopolistic practices are scandalous, but if an American - especially a Congressman - looks at it from a nationalistic perspective, it's good for America. In fact, the worse it becomes (the monopolistic practices) the better it is for USA. Bill Gates' age old dream of world domination happens to coincide with America's dream of world domination. That's why we can't count on the US courts to put a stop to this.

I think you hit the nail on the head. But you need to look beyond Microsoft. The U.S. Government is -- or fancies itself, anyway -- much bigger than even the largest corporations. They're going to protect Microsoft, because they see MS as a modern U.S. Steel or General Motors; it's a huge part of the national industry.

Moreover, DRM in general is going to be pushed heavily by the USG, for the "national interest." Even though it will punish consumers here, it's a way of protecting one of the only things that the U.S. exports anymore: "intellectual property." We don't make stuff anymore; we "manufacture" IP. DRM is a way, in the minds of some folks in DC, of protecting that whole category of exports, and maintaining our dominance in one area, at least. Without DRM, the whole idea of commoditizing and selling "IP" on a retail-like market doesn't work; if you can't tie down information to physical artifacts, or make it behave conservatively (even though information is naturally nonconservative), then it's devilishly hard to sell multiple times. And if you can't take one Hollywood blockbuster and sell it 100 million times over, like it's some sort of aspirin tablet that you're turning out, how do you keep the economy going, when nobody wants to buy anything else we make here anymore?

Re:Paid customers getting the shaft?

'Kay, this is from MacSlash [macslash.org], so obviously it has a bit of Mac slant to it. However, the story seems to check out and what's worse is the account how Microsoft handles the problem. What a horrible company.

MS has a Family Program, where if you buy a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate (the high end version), you can then also purchase up two two licenses of Windows Vista Home Premium at $50 each for additional machines in your home using a special web site. This is only offered for those who purchase their copy of Vista Ultimate through a retail channel.

I purchased the Ultimate copy via Amazon for my Macbook Pro at work ($400) and then when I got home, I purchased one additional license ($50) for Home Premium through the Microsoft web site for my iMac at home. That's $450 that I gave Microsoft.

The online sale went fine and I was issued a license key for my second machine. The problem was that the key didn't work. I re-entered and double-checked it at length with no luck. Time to go to support. In the email I received it had a web link to follow if you need help, so I clicked. It goes to a non-existant page at microsoft.com, and still does today.

So, next I called the toll-free number in the email. It turns out that this is a Microsoft number, but for a different project. The person who answered my call was unusually candid with me. The poor people working at that number were not equipped for the deluge of calls they were receiving. They were not even supposed to be getting these calls. They had not been trained themselves on how to use Vista yet and had no idea what to do to remedy the problem. He told me that they've been getting "thousands" of calls all day long for this very same issue and that he can confirm for me that the keys being generated by the web site are not working for anyone.

He said all he could do was to take my name and number, which he wrote down on physical paper to deliver to his supervisor (I thought Microsoft had email, silly me). He said they were trying to get the attention of someone "higher in the food chain" to do something about it - or at least shut down the offending web page that's issuing the invalid keys. He told me he hoped that someone would get back to me "within a few days" and that he's very sorry but has nothing more to offer.

Microsoft does not offer refunds for purchases made through their web site and they are sticking to that policy, leaving users like me who already paid them hundreds of dollars with no recourse and unable to affect the remedy to this horrible situation.

On the very day that an OS is released that's been in development for half a decade, the least I expect is that their ordering systems are working correctly and their staff is properly prepared.

This has one again reinforced my impression of Microsoft as being an unresponsive company that makes crap software.

and a follow up from another poster:

Last night, I received an email from MS Support. The person sending it was telling me that she is taking "ownership" of my case and provided me her direct email address. Finally, I thought, I'm getting somewhere.

Having heard nothing more, this morning I sent her an email asking for the status of my case. No response yet. I sent another around lunchtime, still no response. So, this afternoon, I phoned them back at the number given to me in the email last night.

I was horrifed to find out that MS claims my case is closed and resolved! They transferred me to someone who could open my case back up for me, and then back to Customer Service. Being unable to help me, Customer Service transferred me to Tech Support.

After explaining the whole story from scratch again, t

Keys work on Ultimate

I tried this out as a test. The family plan activated Ultimate Edition just fine, though I think Microsoft might invalidate it (ew, WGA) once they read this post.

family values

Microsoft has begun its war against the american family. Grab your pitchforks and join the final battle!

Re:family values

Thankfully for those of us with several Macs, Apple doesn't require activation or serialization of the Mac OS X family pack.

Just sayin'.

Re:family values

They do, however, require that your hardware have a shiny Apple logo on the outside, so let's not get too excited.

Re:family values

Well, since you're spending an extra $500 for that logo, it'd better be shiny!

Well...

that should keep the number of Vista zombie machines in check for a while.

Wait....

This was in beta and development for HOW long before it spawned a whirlwind of chaos on release? Looks like the MS priority of "Avoiding bad publicity" isn't working out for them.

Re:Wait....

It's plain to us non-apologists that Microsoft is in need of new, more focussed management. By trying to address so many different markets at once, they're letting their core businesses suffer - and I predict that we will see the same with Apple within five years for the same reasons - although not to the same degree. It happened to HP and IBM.

"Stick to what you're good at" - something companies know they must do, but can't, because of growth pressure.

Family Plan wasn't in beta.

Take it from me, I came up with the idea (August 22nd in the Windows Anytime Upgrade beta chat. I won Best Suggestion for it). They never beta tested this. It was a surprise to me when it was actually implemented.

I think a simple thank you is in order

The people this has happened to ought to call MS and thank them for saving them from a pointless
upgrade.

Unacceptable

'There is no expected time period for a fix at this time.'

This is an unacceptable response. As someone who sells PCs, I am looking at Apple wondering when they will get off their asses and start selling MacOS for PC machines, so I can simply stop selling Windows crap.

Re:Unacceptable

Not when the intall of said products isn't reversable.

Re:Unacceptable

"They offered to refund people's money. Is that not an acceptable response for a product that doesn't work?

That depends. How far into the installation are these users before they discovered this? Is the former OS no longer bootable? IF that is the case a simple refund does nothing for the customer that was just left high and dry. As I recall, "upgrade" versions of Vista invalidate [gizmodo.com] the key [tailrank.com] used for previously installed version of Windows (thus making a reinstall a moot point).

Re:Unacceptable

But aren't OS/X upgrades sold? If so, there is definitely some p1racy potential if one Mac owner "shares" his upgrade of the OS with other Mac owners. Maybe Apple just depends on the fact that there is a 1,000 miles on average between any two Mac owners? ;-)

Re:Unacceptable

People buy a mac for the operating system more than the hardware.

and the OS works so well because it is tailor made for a know set of hardware. They could lose their wonderful reputation if people started trying to stick it on unknown boxes.

Oh no...

The keys are valid for some other product. The four words I dread to hear:

Microsoft Bob for Vista.

Simple?

Yes, it's simple, but maybe Microsoft just doesn't like families. Or it's a big conspiracy to lure all the people with false claims and hacked keys to come in and "get a new one".

Or maybe they just don't know how to handle problems like always. Either way, it sucks for all the people who got the keys. Hopefully they'll get some kind of compensation for the hassle.

This is exactly the reason

for not installing something as critical as an OS as soon as it comes out.

Your really have to be stupid to do that.

No Timeframe?

thats sorta depressing. If I pay for something, and it requires a key to activate it, and you fail to give me that key, you're ripping me off.

Known issue or not, get them working keys!

Not Surprised...

This is the same thing that happened with our MSDNAA lics during the release to OEM's and MSDN subscribers. Just more of the same. It only took three weeks for them to provide a new release rather than new keys. YMMV, but I doubt it.

Might be the computers

Maybe they saw the Mac commercials about upgrading PCs and they're afraid of the upgrade?

digest

I think there will be many *issues* Vista will have in the next months. Maybe slashdot should compile a monthly digest and publish that instead. Am I the only one who got bored of Vista already? I'm a romanian, and I don't even consider getting a torrent of vista. Imagine how bored Vista makes me feel!

People with tags

Yes, defectivebydesign is good. windows and bug are also good. But still, where's the slownewsday?

Seriously, get a grip people

Look, I like reading /. for the tech/science news. It's a very valuable tool for that. But, honestly, when every other article is another Vista-bashing FUD extravanza, this site really loses its respectability.

This site is supposed to be about news and technical scoops not about personal opinion or flame wars. Get a grip. We like different operating systems. All the other ones suck. Let's move on and talk about something interesting.

I for one welcome our new uber-topic

Seriously. Vista seems to be shaping up as the gift that keeps on giving, if you're in the market for schadenfreude. My guess is that they're actually keys for "Club Clippy," a special secret online video vault full of Ballmer-Goes-Wild scat porn. Ooogaooga!

Ouch!

"There is no expected time period for a fix at this time"

That's a customer satisfaction kick is shorts for sure.

A thought

Maybe they're leftover keys from Windows ME that never got used. They've got plenty of those left over.

Fix? Yeah, we'll think about that...

Many (if not all) users who took advantage of Microsoft's Vista Family Discount have been issued invalid installation keys [CC] and cannot install Windows Vista Home Premium.

Microsoft's antipiracy program is so good, even if you do pay for the software you can't run it!

Microsoft says, 'There is no expected time period for a fix at this time.'

Hmmm, they already have the customer's money, are not delivering a product and have no time frame to deliver the product to these people. Isn't that a textbook case of fraud?

get a clue

yes...it's crappy people got invalid keys.

You're misguided to think more any of these people go to Linux instead. They paid for their product and will either get a refund or a new key.

Overblown MS bashing

I'm not saying Microsoft hasn't screwed up here, but the author of this little 'blurb' put a very anti-microsoft spin on it. The representative they spoke to had said Microsoft was taking care of the issue and offered the only possible solution that could be offered - refund or waiting for a new key.

This wouldn't be unacceptable if you had a problem _installing_ vista and the sales guy at the store said, "I don't know why you're having a problem, we'll have to have a technical rep. get back to you". It just sounds horrible because it's something simple like a 'product key'. Well guess what - not everybody can make those.

They are probably under the tightest lock & key system microsoft has because you _don't_ want anybody, even most of your own employees, to be able to create valid keys.

I think the article's overzealous hatred of microsoft is apparent when the author says, " If Microsoft does not have this issue fixed very soon, they are going to have a lot of unhappy customers ". I'm sorry but I think Microsoft actually knows that, and so do I.

Don't insult our intelligence.

That whole anti-ms rant was written based on 1 phone call to a rep that sounded, surprise! reasonable.

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surprise! [douginadress.com]

Site / key sever over loaded?

When I was trying to order the X86-64 DVD that I had to pay $10 for my free copy of vista the site was running very slow and I had to restart it a few times so it may just be that to many users are trying to do it at the same time and the system is spiting out errors?

Wait til they find out about the new Vista-WPA

Once Microsoft "resolves" the issue by giving them new keys in a couple of weeks,
how long do you think these keys will stay valid before they lock up the machine
again...?

I guess I made the right decision

I bought a 24" iMac on the day Vista was released (seriously - typing this post on it now). My first OS X machine (although I use them at work), and so far I freakin' love it. And best of all, it doesn't try to tell me what I can and cannot do with media I purchased separately.

I have to wonder

There are times like this that beg the question: If all the brains at M$ were dynamite, could they generate enough force to blow one nose?

What about in the future?

I can understand making a mistake in key generation. Mistakes happen. But what makes me wary is the Vista enhanced authentication/validation process. We know Vista is designed to validate that key not just when it's installed but periodically thereafter. Microsoft knows they need to make a good impression right at product launch, and they still manage to stuff up the keys so they won't validate. My thought is this: if they can blow it now, what about 6 months or a year down the road when it isn't so blatantly critical for them to look good? Are they going to upgrade a server somewhere, blow it again and suddenly my key isn't on the valid list anymore? What confidence does this incident give me that this won't in fact happen?

Another user nailed...

A mac user [macslash.org] got nailed with this too.

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Subject

"There is no expected time period for a fix at this time."

I guess that would depend on the speed of your connection and the quality of your usenet provider.

For instance, on my rather slow connection I could have the 32- and 64-bit combo RTM DVD in about 6 hours if I actually wanted it, and about another 20-30 seconds for the Vista final activation crack.

So really, MS doesn't have to worry about a thing. The market will fix itself. :)

Printe Version

Without all the asshattery: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=printArticleBasic&articleId=9009961 [computerworld.com]

valid for something?

I wonder what product they got keys for? ( which im sure have been deactivated already )

Pissing off little customers.. The new way of Microsoft.

And why be suprised they only cater to large companies? That is where the money is.

uh huh

So Microsoft can't even distribute their own keys properly, and they go about telling evryone that WGA can be trusted and is accurate detecting pirate copies. yeah right...

tagbombing

Ok, it can be considered offtopic, but bear with me please. Did you notive that recently, all microsoft stories has the defectivebydesing tag? I don't like MS actions as much as the next slashdotter, but I don't think this bombing helps in any way.

A resolution straight from a dude at Microsoft...

I'm one of the people suffering from this issue and have been looking for a solution. Seems I found one when I was browsing the Vista newsgroups in Windows Mail... According to Doug Hite at Microsoft, he said the following......

Hi Everyone. I finally got an answer. From what I have been told:

The Vista Family Discount (VFD) team has found the problem with the product keys. Turns out they are not Vista Keys. The VFD team is working on a fix and will email out new keys to everyone with in 4-5 days.

If your key does not work; odds are its one of the bad ones. If you do not hear back from the VFD team with a new key next week; I would send them an email or call:

email: vistafamilydiscount[AT]one.microsoft.upgrade.com
Phone: [phone]

I hope this helps! Thanks and sorry for any issues... -Doug

I hope they stick to this :P

You get your keys next week

Wed. should be the day...I just called...FOOLS!!!

3-5 biz dayz from today

Alternate title for the story

Bill Gates steals money from consumers via fraudulent Discount coupons.

I mean, how cheap can you get?

Is Bill going to be stealing money out of the church plate now?

Stealing food stamps from welfare mothers?

Stealing kids piggy banks?

How low can this guy get before somebody gets a clue?

I mean, I can understand Bush just sneering at the rest of the planet and planning his attack on Iran (scheduled for sometime in the next ninety days, apparently, based on Navy carrier movements), but Bill is not the President and doesn't command the military and secret police apparatus.

So why does this country let Bill get away with this crap?

Any other company would be in deep shit doing this stuff. The FTC would be on them like flies on shit.

Is it just because Bill's Dad is connected to Abramoff and Bush and the rest of the crime family that Bill gets a skate on this stuff?

WOW, they're quick...

...so much for 3-5 days... I just came home from work and checked my email.. the new keys are there :D They sent em at 9:22P (ET) I'll upgrade... NOW :D Muchas gracias, Microsoft!

Re:Valid for...

They'll even take your word for it that you have it and not ask you to provide it!

Re:I can already see it..

Vista was released on time?!? What calendar are you looking at?

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

In that case, shouldn't it be called Windows Vista Penultimate?

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

Actually, I think you are the one who misunderstands.

The program is basically this: If you bought a retail version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can buy two additional upgrade licenses for $50 each. These upgrade licenses are for Windows Vista Home Premium - i.e. you don't get two more Ultimate licenses, you get 2 home premium upg licenses. Hence the bit about home premium.

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

When the aircraft designer puts the flap lever right next to the gear lever and makes them look and feel exactly the same, who is to blame when the pilot accidentally retracts the gear while on the ground after landing?

When you build something as incredibly convoluted and confusing as the fourteen different versions of Vista, you must accept at least partial blame when people get them mixed up. Most of these people probably don't even know what Windows Vista Ultimate is or whether they have it. Sure, this is partly their fault, but mostly MS's fault for building a confusing system and making strange requirements based on it.

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

Perhaps you should read the article you linked to. Yes, you can only use it if you bought Windows Vista Ultimate. But it allows you to upgrade up to two other PCs to Windows Vista Home Premium. So they are supposed to be issued license keys for Vista Home Premium, but the keys aren't working.

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

Oh... i get it now

You spend $400 for Vista Ultimate
Then buy the family upgrade pack
and get two Windows Vista Home Premium keys for $50 each

Essentially, $500 for Ultimate + Home Premium x 2

What's to stop someone from buying Ultimate, doing the family upgrade pack & reselling those licenses for >$50?

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

Mods, check the basic facts [windowsitpro.com] before wasting your points.

Customers who purchase Windows Vista Ultimate, the most expensive Vista version, at retail will be able to upgrade two more PCs in their home to Vista Home Premium for $49.99 each.

Re:Valid for...

Don't forget to install Linux Genuine Advantage [linuxgenui...antage.org] on that fresh new Linux install!

Re:Upgrade does not include Vista Premium..

just a hint if i read things right when you punch in the key it first check if it is valid period then checks at what level so your same VUE rom will install all the way down to a Vista basic if thats what the key is for

Re:Upgrading to vista

I agree. Seriously, when was the last time you saw an "NT - Anything" upgrade work.

Re:Upgrading to vista

Who the hell (with a quark of technical knowledge) even considers "upgrading" to vista... Just don't do it

I think you meant: "Who the hell (with technical knowledge of Quark) even considers "upgrading" to vista"

Mods on crack

Flamebait I can understand, but offtopic?