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MandrakeMove Final Available for Download 291

Posted by timothy from the embarrassment-of-riches dept.
hendridm writes "According to the Mandrake Linux web page, 'MandrakeMove is available for download - Everything for Office, Multimedia and Internet on a single live CD: the final version of MandrakeMove Download Edition is now publicly available for download. Make your Windows-friends discover how powerful and friendly Mandrake Linux is: this couldn't be easier than with MandrakeMove!' Go team." (We mentioned this version of Mandrake before; of course, if you download, you don't get a memory key with the deal ;))
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  • What's with the name? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Trillan ( 597339 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:14PM (#7947069) Homepage Journal

    I don't really understand what the Move part of it means. Is that move from Windows, move around, mobile...? The web site doesn't seem to explain.

    • Re:What's with the name? (Score:5, Informative)

      by driftingAimfully ( 516201 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:17PM (#7947095)
      It runs from a CD. It moves around with you.

    • Re:What's with the name? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Drakin ( 415182 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:17PM (#7947099)
      Move, mobile. One live CD (as in, no installation, boot and run from the CD). Can also be used as a harmless intro to linux for windows users, without altering thier computer, or a lengthy install.
    • It sounds like LindowsCD ( http://www.lindows.com/lindowscd_info.php ) or Knoppix ( http://www.knoppix.org/ ) to me.
    • I guess the "Move" part of the name means you can take your Mandrake with you everywhere you go, and start it on whichever system you find (provided it's fast enough for the GUI stuff). Your personal settings and data come along on your USB key.

  • USB Key (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rackman ( 724476 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:15PM (#7947081) Journal
    I know you dont get the Key but does that mean you can't use one??? Surely someone out there will write something to get around this. If anyone knows of a way around this please post it here.

    • Re:USB Key (Score:4, Informative)

      by DrunkenTerror ( 561616 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:20PM (#7947124) Homepage Journal
      We went through all these questions last month. You can use your own key, or none at all. Jeezus.

    • Re:USB Key (Score:5, Informative)

      by ChiaKemp ( 713567 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:22PM (#7947140)
      I played with one of the pre-release versions of this and it'd mount the key (commonly called a USB thumb or pen drive), and seemed to offer a option durring boot to read configuration from the key. So I don't see why the download final version wouldn't do it.

      • How does this work? What part of the configuration? Basically all files in /etc or? Any links?

        I'm looking for something that will allow me to put a custom samba.conf on a "live" CD, this may be it. Alternatively, anyone know if it's possible to just mount the ISO, modify the samba.conf, and burn a CD - or what's the recommended approach?

    • Re:USB Key (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:35PM (#7947212)
      I have used the 'member verison' with my own USB key (Sandisk adapter to SD card of 128 Mbyte) for a week or two now.

      Works Ok but not perfect, first three install attemts destroyed the SD card's formatting, after having removed a USB printer (and reformatting the card), everything works fine.

      Last week I visited a company without my laptop, and booted a PC (that Windows PC's person was on vacation) and could give a quick introduction to Eclipse which was running from the USB key and the Eclipse plugin I've written for them.

      Works very nice, I'll definitely bring it with me the next time I'll go visit a company for demonstration purposes. (Still I'll bring my laptop as backup since it is not that robust every time at boot or shutdown...)

      Have tried it on 5 completely different computers and the only one which did not work was a new Dell laptop with this broad display. It booted Ok, but then the display whent black... Works ok on my Asus laptop though...

      It's perfect if your going to visit someone and need to lookup something on the net/have an hour to spare and aren't really allowed to use an account on a Win machine or know the login. /Hedex

    • Re:USB Key (Score:3, Informative)

      by Emor dNilapasi ( 455542 )
      I just downloaded the ISO, burned it, and tried it out. First boot was just the CD, and worked just fine (except for ethernet - see below). Second boot was with a random 256M USB keydrive plugged in; the boot sequence hung at the point where it checked for a USB keydrive, it accessed the USB drive for about a minute (I could see the light blinking) and then I got a Kernel Panic. Maybe the keydrive has to be initialized, maybe I missed something else; I'm going back to the Mandrake site for more info.

      Et

      • By any chance are you using a Sandisk 256M USB ?

        My Sandisk 256 seems to cause a Kernel panic in every distro I have tried it on, it panics Knoppix versions that run other thumb drives.

        Downloading MDK Move now. Mandrake is a love-hate distro, very few people are neutral on it. Great for recent Windows converts. They had some issues in ver 8 that I disliked that were non issues in 9. Just personal quirks of mine with the install choices. But their default desktop seemed the best for making the window use

  • Boxed version vs. Download version (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DF5JT ( 589002 ) <slashdot@bloatware.de> on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:16PM (#7947092) Homepage
    # The MandrakeMove Boxed Edition is now available at MandrakeStore.com. The Boxed Edition provides the MandrakeMove system, plus the capability to save configuration and personal data to a USB key, plus additional commercial software such as NVidia(R) drivers, Acrobat(R) ReaderTM, RealPlayerTM, FlashPlayerTM, and MandrakeMove documentation.

    I call that a good reason to buy the boxed version. When travelling, this is the perfect way to have your office at hand with 99% of the Wintel-Boxes out there.
    • NVidia(R) drivers, Acrobat(R) ReaderTM, RealPlayerTM, FlashPlayerTM

      This is all stuff which should be FREE. The addition of a usb drive is just a gimmick. Configuration files shouldn't require that much space. A floppy drive should suffice. What is the point of NVidia drivers if you can't add a half decent 3d game in the cd. You can't really swap cd's either because those Live distributions take absolute control of your cd drive. You can't remove the disc even if u wanted to. The pri
      • Free? Are you going to take care of the licensing issues?

        • NVidia(R) drivers, Acrobat(R) ReaderTM, RealPlayerTM, FlashPlayerTM

          Free? Are you going to take care of the licensing issues?

          They should be giving you a tool you can use to make your own CD. Then you can download and install this shit onto your livecd yourself, and avoid all licensing issues.

          • They do, and there is. PCLinuxOS 2k4 is the distro you mention, version pre5 should be out fairly soon. The mklivecd project was Mandrake's christmas gift to you guys. If you'd like to give pclinuxos a shot, hit www.pclinuxonline.com and hunt for the download link on the left. There are active forums too.
      • Knoppix has the ability to run with the CDROM unlocked. If you have 1GB of RAM, it will even run completely from memory. I haven't tried it yet, but I bet it blows away any distro installed on a hard drive.

        Knoppix will also store your files on a floppy or on a disk partition.

        The NVIDIA drivers would probably make the desktop more responsive. If I move a browser window, it gets choppy. Once I install the NVIDIA drivers, the choppiness goes away. Not to mention the CD could have several smaller games r


    • When travelling, this is the perfect way to have your office at hand with 99% of the Wintel-Boxes out there.

      Does it have support for encryption on the USB key ?? (The standard Mandrake already has a great support for encrypted partitions & data)

      If it does, it would be one of the biggest promotion points (IMHO) ..

  • Klaus Knopper (Score:4, Funny)

    by 3lb4rt0 ( 736495 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:16PM (#7947093) Homepage Journal
    Is kicking himself he didn't get a patent on his _live_ cd design.

  • Before everyone and their dog mentions knoppix (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:16PM (#7947094)
    Remember that knoppix is still a geek orientated distro. It is based on debian, has hundreds of apps with confusing labels. What is a mc, qtparted, rosegarden for example. Also you need to enter a COMMAND LINE (evil, evil evil!) to enable the USB key on knoppix. Mandrake is a distro for the rest of us.
    • I pass out Knoppix discs to new users all the time. There's no log in, there's no boot paramters, any issues are handled with plain english questions, and most of all, it's visually pleasing. They love it. It gets them started on Linux. You'd be surprised how many people miss DOS and prefer command line, even non-geek computer users.

      I dont know what standard you use for geekness, but I consider Gentoo, Debian, or BSD to be geek oriented os's.
    • First off, stop using the word orientated. It's ORIENTED. There's no taters involved. Secondly, while I agree with the confusing labels, that's not Knoppix's fault, nor is the super awful menu structure. I was criticizing this stuff myself in freenode's #knoppix, and guess what, the mess is debian's fault. Phlak suffers the same fate but they attempted to clean it up a little.

  • It dosen't... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:17PM (#7947098)
    It dosen't come close to Konppix. MandrakeMove *assumes* that you have at least a 128MB USB memory key plugged into the PC because you still have to set it up. That's a bad thing. I'll still use Knoppix.
  • Hopefully this will work better for me than knoppix. I could never get my laptop(dell latitude lt, P1 233 mmx, 64mb ram, 4Gb HD) to boot to knoppix. I'd like to switch to linux, patrly because they're dropping support for win98 this week, and i really only need web, e-mail, IM etc. but i need support for a pcmcia cd-rom drive and my wireless card [linksys.com] as well as my watch [thinkgeek.com].

  • I made my Mandrake move. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by pair-a-noyd ( 594371 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:19PM (#7947118)
    I moved _away_ from Mandrake.
    Too buggy. It was a nice learning system though for moving from windows to Linux. Plenty of bugs and problems to fight with.

    I finally got tired of Mandrake problems, not just me but all the family and friends I support, and moved everyone to Suse.

    Rock solid. ALL features work right out of the box with the exception of burning MP3's to audio CDR with K3b (Suse forgot to include MP3 support on compilation) but an update is online.

    Suse is great. Mandrake, eh... Yeah I tried it, for a year and a half and it helped me learn and adjust to Linux. It's OK for newbies but it IS buggy...

    • Everything but installation, that is. I have a new, unusable SUSE distribution sitting here on my desk. It refuses to install without repartitioning everything and losing all my data. I presently have a Mandrake distribution on all my home machines. I am not the only one to experience this. Perhaps it does not support the file systems such as Reiser and XFS that Mandrake has supported for a number of releases now -- that is my guess, but the problem does not seem to be exactly that. Mandrake and Redh

    • Re:I made my Mandrake move. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by FuzzyBad-Mofo ( 184327 ) <fuzzybad@gmaCURIEil.com minus physicist> on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:36PM (#7947219)

      Funny, I feel the same way about SuSE 8.0 which I ran for about a year. I never liked YAST or SuSE's buggy X11 config utility. Last year I moved to MDK 9.1 and couldn't be happier. Perhaps we each simply had bad luck with the version of the distributions we first used extensively, at any rate it's probably a mistake to judge a distro soley on the merits of a single version.

      • I second that, in regards to SuSE's X11 config utility. What I remember most about it is, is the fact that I could *NOT* put my three monitors in the order I liked. It kept trying to put them above and below each other, what the fuck is that? After giving up on that, I copied my old XF86Config-4 file to my SuSE install and all of a sudden X wouldn't boot. Same version of X as my Debian install, but SuSE just bitched.
    • Could you please give a good example of what you mean "buggy"? I am not saying that Mandrake is perfect but i used it for many years and from 9.0 and up they work flawlessly. (ok, 8.1 and 8.2 had issues)
    • And Yast isn't full of bugs?
    • Ive been using Mandrake for years, great desktop and server install. Been using SuSE on sun hardware, but its getting dated. Moved my sun boxes to Gentoo awhile back, best move ever. Now I hear SuSE is going to support Sun hardware again, should be interesting.

      Have to saw, best outta the box experience is Knoppix bootable cd. Great visuals, good selection of applications, and everything worked without setup.

      But mandrake unstable? No freaking way. I run email/web servers on mandrake, no problems, ever. A

  • The torrent... (Score:5, Informative)

    by corebreech ( 469871 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:20PM (#7947119) Journal
    ...has been available for some time now. [66.79.177.160]

    (I wonder how that happened?)

  • Would this edition be suitable for trying on Linux as my main desktop PC without comitting myself to partitioning and installing? I'd like to see how well my Windows apps perform under whatever the mdoern equivalent of WINE is...

    • Yes, this would be a good way to try out linux without having to nuke your windows partition to install it. You could also try knoppix or the Suse livecd, they're all perfectly fine for this purpose.
    • Would this edition be suitable for trying on Linux as my main desktop PC without comitting myself to partitioning and installing?

      Yepp. Absolutely. If you're not a Linux guy and wan't to test Linux on the 'no-brainer' level of commercial distros without partitioning, I'd say this is your ticket to ride.
      For running wine or crossover office I recomend the current SuSE Pro distro plus the SuSE Wine rack (www.suse.com) - that's the easyiest setup you'll get for that.
    • You need VMware Wrokstation [vmware.com].

      Install any version of Windows, DOS (don't make the disk too big, DOS has limits), Linux, Solaris, BSD and others without worrying about rebooting, formatting or partitioning.

      Be careful though, you may want to buy a bigger hard drive to keep all your fake HD images on once you get addicted to operating systems.

  • I really like the idea of these liveCD things... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by D-Cypell ( 446534 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:40PM (#7947248)
    Being a little more windows dependant that some slashdot folk, I always find trying to switch my laptop to 100% linux is a little like giving up smoking... I always seem to relapse to windows (or at best dual boot).

    I like using unix style operating systems for work, but it can be hard to leave some of the games behind. I also get my fair share of driver issues and havent quite managed to get vid conf from a linux desktop to a windows desktop working.

    The idea of having a CD that I throw in to boot an OS used for serious work seems like a good one to me, that way I still get windows (lets face it, most of us have already paid for it anyway!), its a best of both worlds.

    I have one concern, presumably the OS needs a partition to write temporary data to, and even if it doesnt what good is an OS that cant save files to disk (before anyone gets smart, I will qualify that with a desktop operating system for your standard PC/Laptop).

    So the $64'000 is, how reliable is the NTFS support? I read things like "Dont write to NTFS, it could trash the partition!", which basically is a show-stopper for me...

    Maybe im way out of date, but a quick glance at the Mandrake move website didnt give me the info.

    Can anyone clear this up?

    • Re:I really like the idea of these liveCD things.. (Score:5, Informative)

      by dot-magnon ( 730521 ) <co&auralvision,no> on Sunday January 11, 2004 @07:01PM (#7947374) Homepage
      NTFS is generally kernel stuff. Writing is, at least in 2.4, NOT recommended. The Linux-NTFS [sf.net] people say that the risk of failure is.. big.

      But for 2.6 kernels, there's another world. The "new" NTFS drivers are better, and reads perfectly well. Quoting the Linux-NTFS website: The new driver, introduced in 2.5.11, has some write code, but it's very limited. The driver can overwrite existing files, but it cannot change the length, add new or delete existing files.

      All in all, NTFS isn't reliable except for reading in 2.6 kernels. These NTFS drivers are in the kernel tree.

      A good FAQ is at this place [sourceforge.net]

      FAT sucks, but works brilliantly for almost nothing. Like temp files.

      If you're lucky, the Mandrake folks gave you the availability to write temp files to the USB key (boxed Mandrake Move). I don't know, though.

  • Java desktop anywhere (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:46PM (#7947281)
    I'd rather see more focus on a core linux that is fast and capable, with reliable drivers...something capable of running a java vm and the upcoming Java Desktop reliably.

    I've been trying a number of deaktop apps in the mulimedia space, and it's a huge moving target. Interfaces upon interfaces upon interfaces, all depending on each other, all demanding that bug reporters recompile everything with debugging enabled and provide backtraces, each group a little clique pointing their fingers at the other cliques...none of the apis are stable, not even the default locations of the libs, constant whining in the configure scripts about "whatever.pc" needing to be updated, lower layer drivers (jackit.sourceforge.net) are listed as alpha, but people writing audio apps claim their code is "beta" or "production" yet it requires this "jack" daemon, which freezes every box i run it on within 5 minutes? Absurd.

    It's going to take a single entity, like Sun or IBM, to create a "Java Desktop" that runs on top of the VM. This would be a fully guided effort, one that leaves the lower layers to the pros and lets developers write all the crap they want on top--and usually gives quality backtraces right from the get go.

    Best of all, one quality API that easily extensible for pretty much anything, and has been beaten on for ten years...almost as long as the linux kernel. In one fell swoop, KDE/Qt/Gnome all go into the toilet, where, IMHO, they belong. Note I didn't say GTK, for obvious reasons.

    This gets the hardcore developers back to what they do best--creating and maintaining a glue layer. There's no reason that the people working on Gnome/KDE/Qt could not rally behind a free VM/Swing/whatever implementation, making the best one on the planet.

    The kernel is a solid, stable interface, it's for the most kickass developers to move up a layer and get a fantastic VM and Swing-type toolkit working, so developers can rally around a development environment that is stable and works.
    • I'd rather see more focus on a core linux that is fast and capable, with reliable drivers... something capable of running a java vm and the upcoming Java Desktop reliably. ...
      It's going to take a single entity, like Sun or IBM, to create a "Java Desktop" that runs on top of the VM.
      As much as I wish for Java desktop applications to take off, Sun's "Java Desktop" has nothing much to do with a Java VM or Swing applications. It is nothing more than a SuSE Linux distro with Gnome, and user licenses to LDAP, S

  • Without support for Winmodems... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by stankulp ( 69949 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @06:58PM (#7947358) Homepage
    ...most of the newbies will boot it once and forget it.

    Once you can get on the 'Net with Linux, you're in business.

    If you can't get on the 'Net, most people won't even bother with it.

    • If you can't get on the 'Net, most people won't even bother with it.

      Yes, but most people can get on the net. According to omniture's SiteCatalyst (aka SuperStats) only 39% of web users connect with a modem, 60% use broadband.

      (for our own site, it's even more dramatic, only 26% use a modem, 71% use broadband)

  • Concerning, concerning (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Mike Hawk ( 687615 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @07:02PM (#7947385) Journal
    Make your Windows-friends discover how powerful and friendly Mandrake Linux is: this couldn't be easier than with MandrakeMove!

    Friends don't MAKE friends do anything. Sometimes I encourage them to try something. Sometimes I suggest they not do something. Mandrake Linux, the distro for Kim Jong-il. Make your friends use it! Or else!

  • Key Limitations (Score:4, Insightful)

    by danwiz ( 538108 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @07:08PM (#7947414)
    Where do software updates and additions go? A 256Mb USB "key" isn't going to hold much, and I'd hate to have to re-install my "non-standard" software every time I switched machines. Also, The product specs mention "no risk to existing data on hard drives". Does that mean no hard-drive access or no hard-drive partitioning?

    Examples - Open Office releases a newer version than what's on the CD (with a 300Mb footprint), or there's a browser secuity patch. Now what?

    Seems like expansion may be limited.

    • "Also, The product specs mention "no risk to existing data on hard drives". Does that mean no hard-drive access or no hard-drive partitioning?"

      Probably something like knoppix - it mounts HDs read-only by default, and won't write a damn thing, or let anything else write, unless you use a simple thingy to remount it R/W
    • Presumably they'll update the CD every so often with the updated software. This CD is not meant to replace Linux for your desktop. It's intended to provide you an alternative to using whatever crap is installed on the systems available to you.

      The CD has hard drive access and will do partitioning. This is a primary use for livecds. However, to simply RUN the system, you need not risk your data, because you don't need to move things around, resizing partitions and so on.

  • MandrakeMove with iPod (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mroch ( 715318 )
    I have an iPod and the USB cable. What would it take to use the iPod instead of a keychain?

  • Tough job (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sanctimonius hypocrt ( 235536 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @07:28PM (#7947585) Homepage Journal
    Mandrake may have the desktop experience to do this well, but the field is very competitive. With all the variants of knoppix out there, they need to stand out from a big crowd. Selling it with a USB key might help to differentiate it from the others, and of course there's urpmi.

  • Live CD Distros (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mnemonic_ ( 164550 ) <jamecNO@SPAMumich.edu> on Sunday January 11, 2004 @07:33PM (#7947622) Homepage Journal
    I'm particularly thankful for them because they make my laptop with a dead hard drive usable.

  • For the geeks out there! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Daath ( 225404 ) <(kd.redoc) (ta) (pl)> on Sunday January 11, 2004 @08:02PM (#7947846) Homepage Journal
    There is a knoppix remastering called DamnSmallLinux [damnsmalllinux.org] - Designed to run on small CDs, but can be modified to boot from a USB key [uni-karlsruhe.de]!
    The distro runs FluxBox as the WM, it has a browser, email client, word processor, file mananger, instant messenger, picture viewer, image editing, spreadsheet and a lot more :) Oh, yeah, and it's 50 MB! :) How's that for light and portable?
    • That's cool.

      I don't suppose you know of a version that is 210MB? I have a few 8cm disks here but no business card size disks. It seems a waste to leave 3/4 of the disk blank when more tools etc could be added.

  • Meh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bogie ( 31020 ) on Sunday January 11, 2004 @08:58PM (#7948223) Journal
    The download version is worthless because of the features cut out from it and the payware version doesn't have anything I haven't seen in a ton of other Knoppix mods. Nvidia drivers, flash, USB Thumbdrive support, acrobat? These are all things many LiveCd's have.

    I just don't see the point of this distro except for Mandrake users who don't know that you can download basically the same thing for free with other Live cd's. The things Mandrake is known for, ie ease of install, ease of longterm admin don't apply in the transient nature of Live cd's. Compared to what's already available for Free the Mandrake version is just not compelling enough to make people pay for it.

    Hope they are doing this more as a service then something they actually hope to make money on.

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