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Microsoft Slips Ads Into AI-Powered Bing Chat (theverge.com) 56

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Microsoft is "exploring" putting ads in the responses given by Bing Chat, its new search agent powered by OpenAI's GPT-4. Microsoft confirmed this is happening, albeit in an experimental form, in a blog post published today. Here's the relevant bit from the very end after "a bit of context" explaining no one should be surprised: "We are also exploring additional capabilities for publishers including our more than 7,500 Microsoft Start partner brands. We recently met with some of our partners to begin exploring ideas and to get feedback on how we can continue to distribute content in a way that is meaningful in traffic and revenue for our partners.

As we look to continue to evolve the model together, we shared some early ideas we're exploring including:

- An expanded hover experience where hovering over a link from a publisher will display more links from that publisher giving the user more ways to engage and driving more traffic to the publisher's website.
- For our Microsoft Start partners, placing a rich caption of Microsoft Start licensed content beside the chat answer helping to drive more user engagement with the content on Microsoft Start where we share the ad revenue with the partner. We're also exploring placing ads in the chat experience to share the ad revenue with partners whose content contributed to the chat response."

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Microsoft Slips Ads Into AI-Powered Bing Chat

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  • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:04AM (#63411248) Homepage

    I mean, they are a business, and GPT is quite literally expensive. Not only they paid $10 billion for the investment, the algorithm itself is very computationally intensive.

    (Not GPT, but there are some image generation algorithms that require up to $20 per run on cloud services. These ones? I think 1/100 of a cent, probably, but they each add up).

    So, either a subscription like chatgpt ($20/month, with a very restrictive quota nevertheless), or "you become the product".

    Either way we have to pay for the privilege (personally, I prefer to pay upfront, and not have my personal data "monetized").

    • Maybe they should have started it like that.
      Completely dick move and something that should be made illegal is to give something away for free just to charge for it later.
      • by _merlin ( 160982 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:05AM (#63411444) Homepage Journal

        But they aren't retrospectively billing you for any use you made of the system before they introduced ads. Why should it be illegal to start charging for something that was initially provided for free? Did you sign a contract with them where they agreed to provide it to you for free for indefinitely, or at least for some time frame? If not, what are you even complaining about? You built something around a free service with no contracted availability on the assumption it would always be there and always be free? That sounds like pretty poor planning on your part. And all this over a useless AI chatbot...

        • But they aren't retrospectively billing you for any use you made of the system before they introduced ads. Why should it be illegal to start charging for something that was initially provided for free?

          If your product was good, why not start charging for it to begin with? For why, because it allows for exploitation.



          If you are OK with Big Tech with big tech to continue being allowed to silently exploit their user base in which they really have little recourse, I guess this wouldn't be an issue for you.

          • by _merlin ( 160982 )

            If your product was good, why not start charging for it to begin with? For why, because it allows for exploitation.

            I fail to see who's been exploited here. You got to play with a new toy, if you want to keep playing with it you can either pay or put up with ads. How have you been exploited?

            If you are OK with Big Tech with big tech to continue being allowed to silently exploit their user base in which they really have little recourse, I guess this wouldn't be an issue for you.

            I dislike a lot of what "Big T

    • I definitely was expecting it to happen. I was hoping it didn't happen so fast but hey. One of the good things I liked about about chatGPT was it was like a search engine with out the crud, you asked it a question it answered without the 1/2 page of adds at the beginning. Sure you would have to confirm it but, hey at least it was a start.

      At least our jobs are a bit safer if companies, student don't want random adds coming in there work.

      Now we need an AI that removes adds from the web.

      As for you becoming the

    • I guess for some, placing ads in AI queries weakens the technology's authenticity as far as being a reliable source is concerned - kind of like how all the top responses from Google always lead to purchasable products of some kind. Still, that's probably what the majority of Bing users want

  • by ClueHammer ( 6261830 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:06AM (#63411258)
    Where is the news here? nothing new or unexpected.
    • by dontbemad ( 2683011 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:45AM (#63411382)

      evil company

      Listen, I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft either, but this has little to do with "evil" and more to do with "company". If you have a gripe with corporate capitalism (and there are many gripes to be had), that is another story altogether. But lets not look at something predictably profit-focused from a profit-focused organization and then screech about "evil" or whatever.

      • To me company => evil, or at least publicly owned company. When your main driver is make as much money as you can you eventually choose money over doing what is morally right, because its morally wrong not to maximize your shareholders profit.

        • Correct
        • Right, I honestly agree with you for the most part (that is: profit-maximization above all else is inherently evil). My point is that slandering Microsoft specifically is a bit redundant since they would be joined by literally any company vying for profitability (which obviously excludes many start-ups which are instead vying for the POTENTIAL of future profitability).

          When we start creating scapegoats with faces, we lost sight of the larger, structural problems behind those singular entities.
        • > you eventually choose money over doing what is morally right

          What is morally wrong about running ads?

          The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

          • Did you give them explicit permission to send adds to you? no (using the service is not consent) Did they pay you for the data, power and time they took from you? no Did they provide any compensation for stressing you out/pissing you off with unwanted unsolicited crap? no Did they share any of the money they made by pushing this shit at you? no Basically they are making money by making your lives miserable while consuming your resources. You probably waste yeara of your life dealing this spam like crap a
    • I thought scraping and summarizing and presenting others' content without attribution or payment was evil? Referring back to them is actually good.

      What I am waiting to see is whether the advertising is blended into the responses themselves - that would be bad, and I fear they will do it sooner or later. But the techniques in this summary sound more overt. If so, that's reasonable.

    • by Holi ( 250190 )

      How is this evil? What search engine doesn't have ads in their listings?

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      The MS-Truman Show.

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:12AM (#63411270)

    For AI-powered adblockers.

  • and move away from them.
    If a chat history is used in evidence of a crime like a Text or email conversation and CharGPT is involved even remotely, it could be challenged in court and have that evidence thrown out.

    I'm just waiting for that to happen and then the Lawmakers could ban the thing entirely.,.. just like TikTok then.

    • I'm just waiting for that to happen and then the Lawmakers could ban the thing entirely.,.. just like TikTok then.

      They wont. They are only banning TikTok for racist reasons.

      • by dontbemad ( 2683011 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:48AM (#63411394)

        racist reasons

        Saying that "distrust of the CCP" is racist towards the ethnically Chinese is about as silly as you can get.

        • I say that when they claim that they are doing it to protect the American people, yet are not touching the American companies who are doing near the same things.
          Seem racist to me. Doesn't look like anything that is going to protect me in the long and isn't something that will improve my quality of life. If anything it has gotten worse since it has giving racist more fuel to spread on their fires.
        • Have you seen Adrian Zenz' twitter? He's the leading braintrust in anti-china US movement and he's a self admitted literal nazi.
    • > and move away from them.

      Yeah, I've been hearing people say that since Gates' Open Letter.

      That was in 1976.

      So good luck with the boycott, let us know how it goes.

  • Looks like the party is over. " 'This response sponsored by XLine' Your query for the best product in this field is the XLine 2856w, here is the link to buy one...." Thank you for choosing ChatGPT.
    • Am I having a heart attack?
      ChatGPT: "I'll tell you the symptoms. But first, let me tell you about this device that you can buy to monitor your heart. It is only $9.99 and can be delivered in 2 days. It is the best in the market and we only have a limited supply. Would you like to buy it and add express shipping for $19.99 to get it in an hour?"

  • As if (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:27AM (#63411326) Journal

    As if I needed another reason not to use Bing...

    • by Holi ( 250190 )

      Oh, what search engine do you use that doesn't put ads in it's listing?

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Here's one: it's not Google. Sure, there's Duck D.G., but they don't yet have the same crawl volume. We've been oligopolated.

      • I've noticed strange irrelevant results slipping into my DuckDuckGo searches. They seem to be keyed to locality, i.e. mentions of local businesses, but not relevant to the search.

        Makes me suspicious about how DDG is using at least location data.

    • I think it's great that, for once, Microsoft got the jump on Google. Google got caught flat-footed, they did NOT see this coming. I'm frankly impressed, and though Bing search results are still crap, I'm enjoying trying it for the chat feature.

  • by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:33AM (#63411340)

    The irony will soon be complete.

  • by thesjaakspoiler ( 4782965 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:33AM (#63411344)

    This must be a record even for Microsoft.

  • by DarkRookie2 ( 5551422 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:16AM (#63411478)
    Where is this fancy chat? I have yet to find it. It is suppose to be open, yet every link I find to it seems to be a scam.
    • You have to sign up.

      Go to bing.com. Click the "Chat" tab. You'll see a prompt to get on a waiting list. It took about two days for me to get it enabled.

      • Broken link. Forces me to use a shit browser.
        Even when using the shit browser, and waiting to load, that just sends me to a scam.
  • For ads to be lucrative, the products they hawk should have good profit margins, and the profit comes from the consumers.

    Shouldn't the sellers also manage that side, fostering consumer confidence, providing them with means to earn decent wages, etc? Doing here is stepping into role traditionally played by government.

    It is in the interest of sellers to prevent other sellers cheating people? Doing something in this sphere is stepping into law enforcement territory.

    At some point sellers collectively should

  • Fuck your publishers and fuck your ads. It's an operating system assholes, at least it used to be.
  • by Whibla ( 210729 ) on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:52AM (#63411584)

    It already does this with its news summaries from the Edge splash screen. Click on one of the news items, and the text will include, inline, an advert for something or other, in the middle of the article itself, albeit as a separate paragraph. The first time it happened I assumed it was a scripting error on their part, but I'm now fairly convinced it's deliberate.

    If only I could remember what the ads were for...

  • Just wait until people get into romantic relationships with this thing and it turns out to be a gold digger six months in!
  • How can we trust the AI to actually answer our questions truthfully if it's going to advertise to us, i.e. try to persuade is or just lie to us?

    The idea of an "AI assistant" who is working for someone else is not attractive.

    Perhaps if the adverts are clearly separate from the real answers it may be workable (the secret of Google's success), but any mixing of my interests and others is going to make me distrust the AI and not rely on it, and try not to use it. That's not a model for business growth.

  • They keep trying to force us to watch ads but we avoid it. If an ad is on the TV we mute it or change channels. If an add is on the radio we mute it or change stations, or turn it down at least to better ignore it until it's over quite often. We run ad blockers on websites, and they all know the truth, if they make it so you absolutely must watch or pay attention to the ad, many of us will just not use the service.

    Youtube is a great example of this. I pretty much never use it if it's on a device where I'll

  • At this point, I'm surprised they don't furl up a zillion ads, stuff them up Clippy's pooper, and release-bomb him into Windows 11.

  • Running a business and all.
    • Precisely. Good grief, it's free. Do people think "free" stuff just magically appears out of thin air? How do people think this technology gets paid for, exactly?

  • This is the same thing Google does, but their search engine is much better.
  • If Microsoft depends on advertising revenue to manage the Bing AI, it will lose its neutrality and objectivity. It will prefer results and output that favor advertisers. Censorship of results and a bias toward what appeals to the mass market will be assured.

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