Some Chinese Companies Are Giving Employees Incentives For Buying Huawei Devices or Just Giving Them One and Boycotting Apple (nikkei.com) 120
A growing number of Chinese companies are throwing their support behind Huawei Technologies following the recent arrest of its chief financial officer in Canada, taking such steps as offering subsidies for staff who buy the telecom equipment maker's smartphones. From a report: Many Chinese businesses have told employees they will receive subsidies if they buy Huawei smartphones to aid the company. Most are subsidizing 10% to 20% of the purchase price, with some even covering the full amount. Over 20 Chinese companies also took to social media to announce that they will increase purchases of other Huawei products, such as its business management system.
The show of support has been broad, from information technology providers to food companies. A regional government official said that several hundred businesses were conducting such programs nationwide. Electronics maker Shanghai Youluoke Electronic and Technology is fully subsidizing up to two Huawei smartphones per employee, while display equipment maker Shenzhen Yidaheng Technology will cover 18% of the price for Huawei or ZTE units. Fuchun Technology, a communications service company listed on Shenzhen Stock Exchange announced on social media on Dec. 11 that it would give each of its 200 employees who buy Huawei's smartphone before the end of 2018 between 100 and 500 yuan ($14.5 to $72.5).
The show of support has been broad, from information technology providers to food companies. A regional government official said that several hundred businesses were conducting such programs nationwide. Electronics maker Shanghai Youluoke Electronic and Technology is fully subsidizing up to two Huawei smartphones per employee, while display equipment maker Shenzhen Yidaheng Technology will cover 18% of the price for Huawei or ZTE units. Fuchun Technology, a communications service company listed on Shenzhen Stock Exchange announced on social media on Dec. 11 that it would give each of its 200 employees who buy Huawei's smartphone before the end of 2018 between 100 and 500 yuan ($14.5 to $72.5).
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People are getting sick of iPhones and Apple's constant excuses for hardware defects
Are you sure? There's a minor slump in iPhone numbers this year, but it's reflected across the board - HTC, Samsung and several no-name Chinese brands are all seeing massive reductions in sales volume as well, at a larger percentage. The cheapest, nastiest phones are holding steady or only seeing slight falls, while the Android flagships have been decimated. Apple is doing OK (not great) in comparison, due to having a higher quality product and stronger brand.
People are just being cheap due to external fact
Re: USian companies should subsidize Apple (Score:1)
More like we are past peak smartphone and people dont see the point in upgrading every two years. Same as desktops, laptops, tablets, watches, fitness trackers, etc. Once the market saturates, its about gaining marketshare through subsidy or incentives. Apple likes making boatloads of cash, so little incentive is given on the price, and without a US subsidy, Huawei can walk in with financial backing of their govt and undercut prices. WTO typically doesnt go for this.
The Arrest an Attack up all Chinese (Score:2, Flamebait)
The problem with the arrest and subsequent political press releases is pretty much does make it a threat to all Chinese people and all Chinese companies. There was a surged in racism against Chinese in US comments and those would have been picked up on as well. They tend to be conformist and authoritarian and the mob reaction to this event was bound to spread. How much and how severely entirely up to the Chinese government but some will occur. It was really a bad idea by the US establishment and will have l
Re:The Arrest an Attack up all Chinese (Score:5, Funny)
Not only that, but now the little white lie "It's ok, I'm Canadian." won't work anymore.
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You have to apologise to Canadians when you get it wrong in Australia, they get offended, see it in their face in an instant. Although it is a fun way to stir up Canadians in Australia, just be quick on the apology and the smile and agree with what ever is their USA sentiment.
Re:The Arrest an Attack up all Chinese (Score:4, Insightful)
It sucks because of the 1.2 billion (or more) potential consumers.. but giving half your profits and all your technology to the Chinese gov't is not a smart plan.
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That is the impression I am getting. Sure they will hire them, as front people for image sake but they do not want them running anything, a solid hold over from the colonialism era and the Government of China reaches for that when ever it wants to (especially in the rest of the world and then the US government arrogantly pipes in and makes it worse for themselves). Reality is still reality and it is what must be dealt with, offending US sensibilities by pointing out how the Chinese will react in China, well
Fuck Chinese criminals. Fuck apologists. (Score:1)
If Huawei didn't break the law why did they ignore the people saying they did? If you break US law and you decide to walk on US soil, or an affiliated nation with extradition treaty, it doesn't really matter which law that is.
If you're behind a million dollars on child support, you will be picked up. Chinese, Finnish, Australian, Filipino, or purple tentacle, it does not matter. Fuck Chinese who think they deserve special treatment.
The fact that China arrested two unrelated Canadians on bogus charges as
Re: Fuck Chinese criminals. Fuck apologists. (Score:2, Interesting)
That was wasnt the issue. They were selling US tech bought under an agreed to export control agreement to Iran. They didnt have to sign the agreement and they could have sold other tech. But they voluntarily signed a license with intent to break it, did break it, and then tries to hide it through creative finance accounting.
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China is an expansionist Han-Nationalist ethnostate. They are not shy about their desires to see Han-Chinese be the dominant world power and undesirables sent to "reeducation" camps that already exist.
Supporting or defending China is like supporting Nazi Germany and should be punished the same way.
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Hauwei, One Plus, and ZTE phones were all caught spying on their owners and sending the data back home to China. And no, it's not the same as Facebook or Google. This is at the firmware level.
You may know that those companies have been banned for government use for a while now.
There is nothing "racist" or political about it. Companies that spy on people â" no matter who they are or where they're from â" are not welcome. Hauwei's CFO is apparently guilty of arranging trade with Iran in violation of U.S. trade sanctions, and lying about it. That's yet another concern.
Stop with the U.S-bashing already. There was perfectly good reason to do this.
THIS [cnbc.com] was from last February, in case you don't keep up with the news.
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You can troll it and mod it all the way down you want, your mistake is interpreting from your perspective and not from mainland China perspective and how it will be presented. Nothing in my comment reflects any values what so ever, just the outcome and how perceptions will be managed. Oh wah wah, US bashing, when anything does not agree with US perception, suck it up people, other countries will perceive the same actions in different ways and that will result in different than expected outcomes. From the Au
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If you think that's bad, just imagine how horrible things are in the USA, who have openly been caught spying on their own people, their own allies, and even worse imposing unilateral sanctions against a country for no reason and then arranging their allies to arrest foreign nationals because they are having a tempera tantrum that no one is listening to them.
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5G-reliant technologies, like self-driving cars
Really?
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Important words there are: "which Huawei allegedly did"
If there's proof present it in court, otherwise this just sounds like US companies leveraging the government to bad mouth a competitor.
Put up or shut up, for a country that supposedly believes in the free market there's a lot of what looks like political kneecapping going on here.
Re:i for one say good. (Score:4, Interesting)
The basis of the complaint seems to be:
HSBC is obligated to follow US sanctions policy. If it facilitates transactions with Iran, it's subject to fines and prosecution. It is also obligated to perform a certain amount of due diligence with its clients to ensure that it does not violate US law.
Huawei does business with Iran through Skycom.
When HSBC asked Huawei about the ownership and control of Skycom, Meng Wanzhou characterized Skycom as an independent company-- when in fact, it was a subsidiary. This can be characterized as bank fraud. It might well have exposed HSBC to serious criminal liability.
The Detention of Huawei’s CFO is Legally Justified. Why Doesn’t the U.S. Say So? [lawfareblog.com]
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The worry is that China will get widespread 5G coverage before the US does, which will allow it to accelerate the development of specific 5G-reliant technologies, like self-driving cars. With the help of Huaweis equipment, China would displace Silicon Valley as the worlds innovation center.
It's unlikely that Trump himself is forward thinking enough for any elaborate plot to delay Chinese development. Certainly the Chinese are guilty of IP theft, one way, or another. It is certainly possible that there are people in the Trump administration using legal manoeuvres to advocate for certain positions. That's the ultimate problem. Everyone is supposed to be equal under the law, and while that has never been true, it now seems even less true.
Ultimately I understand James Comey's motivation to re
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I would throw out that in those cases the companies involved may not have admitted fault, b
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And your last paragraph is total nonsense. Ppl like Trump does not give a flying fuck about Silicon Valley. Hell, he is letting iphone plummet against Huawei and not doing anything about it. More importantly, this battle is not from the WH or commerce. It is from the intelligence community. BIG difference.
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You are you going to believe? The US government, which has every reason to lie to hurt Huawei and boost domestic sales, which is known to lie about security stuff all the time (thanks Snowden) and which we know likes to install its own malware in American products. Or Huawei, who are willing to share their source code with governments and big customers, who have a better track record on security than Cisco and who are immune to National Security Letters?
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However, if you are from the west, then ask yourself, who you want listening? Do you want China listening who is in an economic war with the west, or possible America? I can not speak about what we do in Europe, but, O closed rank with most, if not all, of the EU govs after snowden's treason. As such, any spying that America does in Euro
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If forced to choose then I'll take Chinese spying. The Chinese can't do much to me, where as the FIVEEYES lot can.
It's a false choice though. Even if we assume that each government backdoors all products originating from that country, you are probably at greater risk from random blackhats. On that front Cisco is one of the worst options.
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I worked with the intelligence community and am aware of what has happened long ago, and still hear things today.
Any westerner believing that Huawei is a none-threat is an idiot.
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Hauwei was caught spying last year, and their products have been doing it ever since. [cnbc.com] Hauwei, ZTE, and One Plus were all caught doing it. They track everything from selfies to phone calls, and report back to China with the data. That is the reason they are all banned now for government use. It's not speculation, there is proof beyond reasonable doubt.
2) ITAR is irrelevant. That's just another straw-man.
ITAR regulates exports from U.S. businesses. None of those companies are U.S
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although personally I wouldn't buy Huawei at this moment, the link you provided did not say anything about Huawei being caught spying. The six agency 'expressed distrust' but I didn't see any mention of Huawei being caught spying.
Boycotting (Score:2)
Boycotting Apple is only the beginning.
In unrelated news, I eat apples every day.
Who can blame them (Score:3, Interesting)
You are truly a blathering fool. (Score:3, Interesting)
You're full of shit. Huawei ignored international sanctions and subpoenas/indictments related to major countries they do business with, then officers of that company went into the jurisdiction of that legal order to arrest them. Like anyone else, like the head of Nissan. China, in RETALIATION (which isn't a legal tenet, you idiot) arrests 2 Canadians including a DIPLOMAT on bogus unstated charges and all but blatantly announces they're doing so to influence the legal proceedings of Huawei. None of that
You are also moronic. (Score:1)
"This was a bizarre legal action that deserves scrutiny" What's bizarre is you think characterizing it like that in 1 sentence precludes a need to explain just what the fuck about it was bizarre. Huawei's CFO is fair game.
Of course there's scrutiny, it's a US and Canadian court. They do things in the open, unlike China's "courts" if they can even be called that. Huawei ignored diplomatic channels AND subpoenas. You're uninformed, moron.
Re: You are also moronic. (Score:1)
How many US CEO/CFO's were prosecuted post GFC? Nada. The will wasn't there. Now Meng faces charges on bank fraud? Something doesn't add up.
Don't blame em (Score:2)
Total BS. Congrats to those Chinese companies that are patriotic enough to suppor
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The problem is, Chinese patriotism doesn't exist. Chinese don't even like most Chinese products. So I don't see how this incentive program is going to work. First thing they will probably do is trade in their Huawei for an Apple Iphone.
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Duh! (Score:2)
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Commie China
so a country filled with entrepreneurs and capitalists is "commie"
this from a country where the government owns liquor stores and regulates production of dairy
could you be more clueless?
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Commie China
so a country filled with entrepreneurs and capitalists is "commie"
You're right; the OP phrased that badly. "Commie" implies a political philosophy besides "pissant, power-hungry, murdering mother fuckers."
Brain Drain... (Score:2)
Has anyone shown Huawei has done something (Score:3)
wrong, or are we trashing this company from speculation and conjecture?
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Let's face it. This is China, we instinctively know Huawei is doing things wrong. But make sure you keep looking at China, the ones we are pointing at. Just keep looking that way. Those damn spies. No no don't look at Snoden leaks, CHINA it's all about China. No CIA? What's that? NSA? Is that a football league? CHINA!!!!
And if an American company did this... (Score:2)
You'd see the anti-trust investigations hit in stretches of time measurable in micro-fractions of a picosecond.
Bad value proposition... (Score:2)
...trading in an iPhone for a Huawei would be like my boss telling me "Ditch that BMW and we'll help you buy a replacement Yugo."
Uhh, I'll decline that "generous" offer.
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Speak for yourself, troll; if you want something so mundane as tech changes to the kernel, there's a site for that: kernel.org.
The rest of us like /. so deal with it or check out Soylent. ;-)
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Asia has 60% of the worlds population, the US 4%
Asia, in particular China is the LARGEST growth market in the world, the USA is about to see itself locked out of that market.
Trade with China is now considered more important than trade with the USA
Chinas economy will become bigger than the US, so will the EU, India and Brazil long term.
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Mobs in yellow vests don't generally bring it back to life.
The only way to revive Democracy is to practice it. It's like anything else: if you want to get better at something, you have to practice. We may be on a trend of greater electoral participation in the US, which can only help us. There will still be minorities in power in certain places (Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc) who will try to thwart the will of the people on their way out the door, but they're on their way out the door,
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I think education is an answer, a democracy works well only in a well educated society, which keeps practicing it. And the education not as just preparing for a job, but wide and thorough. There are societies (few but still), where democracy is practiced by majority and which put education as an important part of their state responsibilities voting participation [followmyvote.com].
Also I would not disrepair, democracy truly works - it's better than anything else tried so far.
Strongly disagree, "power corrupts and absolute po
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I think education is an answer, a democracy works well only in a well educated society, which keeps practicing it. And the education not as just preparing for a job, but wide and thorough. There are societies (few but still), where democracy is practiced by majority and which put education as an important part of their state responsibilities voting participation [followmyvote.com].
I disagree, people are now more educated than any time in history, we have access to more (dis)information. The reason I think we don't vote is we don't think it makes any difference and all politicians are just liars
Here are things that I think we need for democracy to work better:
1. Public political funding, sure it costs but I would rather pay taxes than have companies and the rich donate because it will cost me more in the long run. Also once money can buy votes you no longer have a democracy you ha
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I think education is an answer, ...
I disagree, people are now more educated than any time in history, we have access to more (dis)information. The reason I think we don't vote is we don't think it makes any difference and all politicians are just liars ...
Well, agree. But still there are vast groups of people not well informed about politics, political processes, world in general and most importantly about scientific process of false/true recognition, who are thus easy to be manipulated - hence my "better education" argument.
Here are things that I think we need for democracy to work better: ...
In general agree with all the points, however this can happen only through voting, and to have support for it people have to have historical and sociological knowledge and understanding of human beings and societies, hence my "better edu
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Think about what you're saying. The electoral college and the US Senate are some of our least democratic institutions. In fact, they are anti-democratic by design.
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