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Microsoft Apps Will Be Pre-loaded On Lenovo and Motorola Android Devices (betanews.com) 76

An anonymous reader writes: There was a time when Microsoft was seen as the enemy of Linux and Apple communities. Understandably, at the time, the company only wanted Windows to succeed. Nowadays, however, the operating system is sort of inconsequential. Microsoft seems happy to have its software succeed on 'competitor' platforms such as iOS, Android, macOS, Ubuntu and more. Today, Microsoft announces that it has partnered with Lenovo on a new mobile initiative. The Windows-maker's productivity apps will be pre-loaded on Lenovo and Motorola-branded devices running Google's Linux-based Android operating system.As of earlier this year, Microsoft had over 74 Android OEM partners. As for submitter's take on this, it's pretty simple. Microsoft is going where users are. If they are not going to purchase Windows Phones, Microsoft will go to Android and iOS.
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Microsoft Apps Will Be Pre-loaded On Lenovo and Motorola Android Devices

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  • by LichtSpektren ( 4201985 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @09:06AM (#52755097)
    My submission was clearer about this: https://slashdot.org/submissio... [slashdot.org]

    Lenovo/Motorola aren't going along with this because they legitimately think customers want Microsoft bloatware. They're doing this to avoid the ~$10 patent tax that Microsoft extracts from Android OEMs so that SD cards will work out-of-the-box (their patent on the exFAT file system, to be precise).
    • by Luthair ( 847766 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @09:07AM (#52755111)
      So? As long as they are uninstallable taking a $10 line item out of the cost of the devices works better for the consumers.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        So? As long as they are uninstallable taking a $10 line item out of the cost of the devices works better for the consumers.

        really? useless leeches, sucking away at corporate value, are a good thing? lenovo makes better products when they make them worse? how does that work?

      • So? As long as they are uninstallable taking a $10 line item out of the cost of the devices works better for the consumers.

        You're missing the problem. I don't care that Lenovo is mitigating the problem with bloatware; I've already decided to boycott them over Superfish and the lack of security updates for their phones.

        The problem is that Microsoft is adding ~$10 to the cost of every Android device with their patent trolling.

        • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

          I don't think you can call it patent trolling when Android is a direct competitor to a line of business they've continuously had for a couple of decades.

          • I don't think you can call it patent trolling when Android is a direct competitor to a line of business they've continuously had for a couple of decades.

            Oh, I see then. So if I own an ice cream shop, and you open an ice cream shop too, I can use some frivolous patent to force you to give me pennies for every scoop you sell, since you're my competitor, right?

            • by Junta ( 36770 )

              The point being a 'patent troll' is defined as some entity holding patents, but not actually *making* anything. Bad for both being a leech, but also challenging as the potential to fight back to pursue cross-licensing is impossible since the attack doesn't do anything.

              Now if you think the patents are stupid and not worthy of being patent, that's something else and I'm particularly inclined to agree about the VFAT patent. But 'patent troll' is a specific phenomenon, and Microsoft is not (yet) in that role.

              • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

                The problem is the $10 price tag. Even if this patent is valid, it's only value is compatibility with Windows desktops - i.e., the Windows desktop monopoly has made FAT-based filesystems a de-facto standard. Microsoft is charging an exhorbitant fee for the ability to use SD cards way out of proportion to the value of the software in question. Put another way, if any OEM's were still willing to make Windows phones, Microsoft would charge them $10 or less for a whole OS, including FAT filesystem compatibil

                • ... it's only value is compatibility with Windows desktops ...

                  Actually FAT is commonly used on USB sticks and SD cards by Mac and Linux users as well. FAT is the "I'd like to read/write this anywhere" option.

                • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

                  Microsoft is charging an exhorbitant fee for the ability to use SD cards way out of proportion to the value of the software in question.

                  If it isn't worth the cost, why are OEMs paying? Oh, because they believe it is worth the cost.

                  Value != Cost

                  If you are willing to pay $100 for something and you can get it for $10, then good for you. But if the price is $100, you would pay that. It's value (to you) is $100, whether or not it costs that much.

                  • by Rob Y. ( 110975 )

                    True enough when there are other choices available. If Windows were able to read ext2 as well as FAT without having to load special 3rd party drivers, then you might be able to determine what the 'value' of FAT on an SD card is. And, of course, there's the issue of how insane the FAT patent is, and that the code to implement FAT in Android is not Microsoft's at all...

                    But, no. I wouldn't pay $100 for the ability to read an SD card. I'd load a driver and use ext2. So the value of FAT to me is quite limit

          • I don't think you can call it patent trolling when Android is a direct competitor to a line of business they've continuously had for a couple of decades

            Microsoft didn't as much had "competitors" and they didn't "had a business line for a couple of decades", as much as they've "continuously struggled, trying unsuccessfully to get a foot in a market that they don't even properly understand".

            Nowadays, when Microsoft tries to do something out of their Windows 10 Phone, they've in practice lost to iOS and Android.
            Back then, in the Windows Mobile era, Nokia's Symbian and Blackberry were the dominant platforms.
            Back before, in the Windows CE era, Palm's PalmOS was

            • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

              They never actually owned the market.

              And what if they did? Would that make it better? Typically the main reason Slashdot folks hate Microsoft is precisely because of their dominance in a particular market; now you are suggesting dominating a different market would have made it all ok?

              You hate the system? That makes two of us. Don't hate the player; hate the game.

        • by Luthair ( 847766 )

          You're missing the problem. I don't care that Lenovo is mitigating the problem with bloatware; I've already decided to boycott them over Superfish and the lack of security updates for their phones.

          How is any of that relevant?

          The problem is that Microsoft is adding ~$10 to the cost of every Android device with their patent trolling.

          Ah, I see it isn't. You're simply taking the opportunity to bitch about stuff. Microsoft doesn't really qualify as a troll as they make software, though as a developer one would hazard that many of their patents are probably not novel.

        • The problem is that Microsoft is adding ~$10 to the cost of every Android device with their patent trolling.

          Its not patent trolling when you actually created the thing, others think that the thing would be beneficial to them, and these others are fully aware up front that this thing is covered by a patent.

      • I'm with you. As long as they are uninstallable. Unfortunately, history has shown that they won't be.
    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      My submission was clearer about this: https://slashdot.org/submissio... [slashdot.org] Lenovo/Motorola aren't going along with this because they legitimately think customers want Microsoft bloatware. They're doing this to avoid the ~$10 patent tax that Microsoft extracts from Android OEMs so that SD cards will work out-of-the-box (their patent on the exFAT file system, to be precise).

      Your submission wasn't clearer! Your submission made two separate statements: (1) lenovo+motorola will ship with MS apps, (2) for the past 9 years Android companies have been paying an android tax. Your submission lacked two crucial (and plausible but as far as I can tell unsubstantiated) conjectures: that doing "1" will get them off the hook for "2"; and that this is why they are doing it.

  • See subject: It's in data/information which those apps/programs merely process & ride on the OS involved to do it...

    * It's always BEEN that... & it doesn't MATTER where or HOW you go about it.

    APK

    P.S.=> It's the "end all/be all" & "raison d'etre" for all of it... apk

  • by djbckr ( 673156 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @09:12AM (#52755167)
    How about this: If I want a M$ product on my device, I'll install it.
  • They don't care if it's the OS or the Office apps, whatever the software they are trying to push they use the same strategy, make it default, force everyone to use their software, force vendors to ship it and nothing else, force schools to teach it and call it computer education so that kids grow up with with office and windows as the definition for "computer".

    Because of this, they are still everyone's enemy, so don't pretend like anything has changed... especially after the secure boot shit they pulled on

  • by ausekilis ( 1513635 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @09:17AM (#52755209)
    I wouldn't put it past MS to use this to get a foot in the door, get some users hooked on whatever migration... then start belly-aching about how stuff is "locked down" and "incompatible" with what they really want in a device. Then we get the return of Windows Phone. Like Clippy, it will never truly die.
  • Addendum (Score:5, Informative)

    by _KiTA_ ( 241027 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @09:21AM (#52755235) Homepage

    Not just preinstalled, but fraudulently flagged system so you can't uninstall them. Similar to Facebook and a host of other crapware on my Samsung.

  • My laptop died while I was on travel. I want to select my next expensive device carefully, so I need a disposable computer, something I can hand off to a computerless person in a few months. I went last night to Micro Center and bought a $219 Acer laptop, a $55 250GB SSD and a $35 8GB stick of DDR3L RAM. And a screwdriver, spudger and static strap.

    2 hours later, I was able to shove an Ubuntu 16.04 live DVD into the drive of this thing and start computing on the hotel network. The removed 500GB hard driv

  • M$ has not changed its stripes, they are still antagonistic to Linux but do not want anything like a repeat of what is happening on smartphones. I'd believe it if they started supporting a version of M$ Office on a selection of Linux distros.
  • No kidding? (Score:5, Funny)

    by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @10:23AM (#52755797)

    "There was a time when Microsoft was seen as the enemy of Linux and Apple communities."

    Lol, "there was a time". And that "time" is "now".

  • by Anonymous Coward

    For the last several years I've enjoyed Motorola phones. Their version of Android is pretty darn vanilla, and the amount of bloat-ware was relatively little.

    Oh well.

  • by ThatsNotPudding ( 1045640 ) on Tuesday August 23, 2016 @12:23PM (#52756731)
    "Microsoft No Space Left On This Devi"
  • Microsoft is still the same evil corporation it was before. The difference is Microsoft lost the OS wars in the end and are solving the problem through the threat of violence on OEMs who would rather not ship with Microsoft's offerings. They're utilizing patents and the courts/legal system (ie violence, theft, etc) to blackmail others into submission (or threat thereof).

    Microsoft offers nothing of value to GNU/Linux users and those shipping with Android and similar operating systems. Those patents are all g

  • "Microsoft seems happy to have its software succeed on 'competitor' platforms such as iOS, Android" especially as Microsoft is extracting revenue out of Android OEM equipment manufacturers.
  • since I now wont consider buying any Motorola or Lenovo phones.

  • If I buy a Nexus device it will come pre-baked with Google crapware, 90% of which I'll never use. And then every 3 days or so notify me that 9 of those applications have been updated. Is MS Office inherently more evil than the Google suite if you want to open a Word attachment on your phone?

    If privacy is your thing, buy a generic device, and flash cyanogenmod with f-droid.

    FWIW, I use Outlook on Android because Google can't write an email client. first aosp, then GMail and now some concept interface with Inb

    • If I buy a Nexus device it will come pre-baked with Google crapware, 90% of which I'll never use. And then every 3 days or so notify me that 9 of those applications have been updated. Is MS Office inherently more evil than the Google suite if you want to open a Word attachment on your phone?

      If privacy is your thing, buy a generic device, and flash cyanogenmod with f-droid.

      FWIW, I use Outlook on Android because Google can't write an email client. first aosp, then GMail and now some concept interface with Inbox - they all suck.

      On a Nexus device you can disable all of the bloatware except for the Google App itself. (I get around that by using a firewall to drop all its packets, which renders it mostly inert.)

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