10 Great Snake-Oil Gadgets 429
The Byelorussian Strikes Again writes "Wired offers up 10 of the most awesome snake oil gadgets, from industrial cables sold as $200 ionized pain-relieving bracelets to a plastic chip that cures anything, improves gas mileage and cleans swimming pools.
One truly sad development: the infamous $500 wooden volume knob is no longer on sale."
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(couldn't find a link sorry)
during the early days of X-Ray's they were often used as a method for hair removal
(you'd place an exposed body part in front of a wooden box / machine and the hiar would drop out)
it was only later on that they discovered the slight problem with cancer
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Face it, religious people: You won't be reincarnated. You won't go to heaven. When you die--when the electrical activity in your brain ceases--that's it. No more you. Quit burning money at the alter of false hope.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that any sort of consciousness exists in any form after neural death. The only reason people believe it is because they want to believe.
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You are quite correct... (Score:3, Informative)
When I was 2 years old I had ear aches that were excruciatingly painful and would not go away. My parents took me to a general doctor who prescribed putting plastic tubes in my ears to help drain fluid that was causing the painful pressure in my inner ear. My parents went to a
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Fuck you.
I would assume you're healthy and if you're lucky, you'll remain so the rest of your life. You'll never experience a condition where your body shuts down or begins to attack itself. You'll never go through the helplessness of not being able to trust what you perceive yet fully aware that your body is degrading and the symptom you're feeling might be real and life-threatening. You'll never have to go through the process of working with numerous doctors who, being much more educated and experienced on the subject than you, still have to make educated guesses as to what MIGHT work to slow the damage; each drug or procedure involving reams of documentation outlining dire risks and medical details (that require years of training to really understand) as to why they THINK the treatment might be doing something beneficial. Not a cure. Just something to maintain some degree of a quality of life until maybe sometime in the future a cure can be found.
The people who prey on the desperation inherent in this situation are among the worst kind of criminal. Their victims, while perhaps lacking some of the clarity of reasoning, are still purely victims. They do not deserve to be preyed on while everything else in their lives is being torn down around them. Whats worse is the unfortunate soul who passes up on a treatment that might have actually given them something of a life in favor of one of these snake-oil treatments that simply took from them and their loved ones.
Business to blame, not government. (Score:3, Insightful)
Audio gadgets (Score:4, Funny)
http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm [pipex.com]
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Q: What's the difference between a hifi salesman and a used car salesman?
A: The used car salesman knows when he's lying.
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How about this version:
Q. Whats the difference between an honest politician and a corrupt politician.
A. The corrupt politician sometimes tells the truth.
Monster Cable not in list... (Score:2)
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Pear cables (Score:2, Informative)
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Re:On the contrary! (Score:5, Funny)
SOLD! D'ye know how much Pirate Penis Prosthetics go for on the open market, lad? That be a good deal, so it be.
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A pirate walks into a tavern, & the barman says "Excuse me sir, but do you know that you have a steering wheel coming out of your crotch?"
And the pirate replies (drum roll, please): "Yarr! It's driving me nuts!"
Wooden Knob page via wayback machine.... (Score:4, Informative)
Here are some of the claims made:
[quote]The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved. Here is a test for all you Silver Rock owners. Try removing the bakelite knobs and listen. You will be shocked by this! The signature knobs will have an even greater effect...really amazing! The point here is the micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path and cause degradation (Bad vibrations equal bad sound). With the signature knobs micro vibrations from the C37 concept of wood, bronze and the lacquer itself compensate for the volume pots and provide (Good Vibrations) our ear/brain combination like to hear...way better sound!![/quote]
Complete and utter bullshit, of course, but great for separating gullible yuppies from their money.
Where are the HiFi Speaker Wires? (Score:5, Insightful)
Warning: Troll Alert!! I'm sure I'll get modded down for this but...
I would think that the latest spate of HiFi speaker wires would be right up there. The key difference between dowsing rods and these cables, is that once in a while dowsing rods seem to work. The multi-hundred dollar cables, time and time again in double-blind tests, have been shown to perform more poorly than the cheap utility speaker wire. And yet, there's a whole industry out there that argues (and markets) to the contrary.
Snake Oil indeed.
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The Gizmodo cross-traffic is getting heavy in here (Score:2)
Dowsing (Score:5, Interesting)
He believes this with all his heart.
So one day I had him do it over a stretch of ground we both knew to have some old pipes buried under it. And then I had him repeat it, blindfolded. He couldn't hit the same spot twice. Not even close. (The pipes were indeed buried roughly where he said they were when his eyes were open.)
I tried to explain to him that he was simply remembering where he had buried the pipes, and that it was his subconscious mind that was causing the wires to cross, but he really didn't want to hear that. He'd rather believe in dowsing.
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Fun article. I hadn't heard of most of those, just the Q-Link bracelets.
Re:Dowsing (Score:5, Insightful)
Better to admit to once having been a fool than to continue to fight when even you know that you're wrong.
Not really; you're neglecting a huge part of the psychology that makes snake oil work.
"You've proven nothing to me as long as I can refuse to admit being wrong."
The game's not over when objective reality says it's over; it's over only when the self-deluded stops deluding himself or herself, and that's a pretty tall hurdle to get over. Particularly if personal ego or public "face" is involved.
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One of the guys walked around, and pinpointed the water coming into the house, using dousing rods similar to what you describe, but he had the copper wire inside a tube. (I'm not sure if it was metal or plastic, as it was night time
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All of the natural attraction/repulsion/radiation forces I am aware of are quite omni-directional. Pulsars are beams but for a very well understood reason.
There is no way that underground water would only affect non-ferrous rods when the water is inline between the rods and the center of the Earth (IE you are standing over the water). If this supposed effect existed it would be beam-based anti-gravity which would
Re:Dowsing (Score:5, Interesting)
So how do you find a water pipe, when you don't "know" where the water pipe is? Well, if you've worked in construction all your life, you will learn things about house construction and plumbing. The sewer pipe usually exits near the front of the building facing the street, often in a line perpendicular to the street from the vent stack on the roof. You know that sewer pipes are built with as few bends as possible, as bends cause constrictions and blockage. And the water pipe will frequently parallel the sewer pipe, because you know that plumbers rarely want to dig two trenches when they only have to dig one. So you drive up to the place, your brain picks up on the vent stack on the roof (but doesn't tell your conscious self,) and you start witching for the pipes. Your subconscious does the rest.
Or out in the middle of an open field. Digging a trench for a pipe disturbs the ground. When a trench is backfilled, a small hump of dirt remains, but gets flattened out over time as the dirt is compacted. Sometimes the hump remains high over time, and sometimes the dirt is washed away before it's settled, leaving a slight depression. Some humans can detect minuscule changes in slope with their feet, and again this could happen without the dowser realizing it. Or the ground cover can reveal the presence of a dug-and-refilled trench, with less mature plants over the trench, or a slight change in the density of plant growth because of the digging, or plants that grow slightly differently due to the change in soil makeup beneath. There could be a difference in that weeds may be more or less prevalent over the refilled trench. Your feet can feel all of these differences. Cuts in the treeline at a distance can give visual clues, too.
A good friend is a pilot who has flown pipeline inspection flights, and he says they're easy to follow, even without the little yellow signs. Ground cover and erosion patterns give them away, even under a field that I personally know has been tilled annually for at least 27 years since the pipeline was buried. If you doubt me, go check a google satellite map of any local pipeline you're familiar with -- you will find an unnaturally straight line cutting through fields, passing under roads, disturbing trees, brush, and altering creekbeds. Yet if you were walking across that field, you'd likely miss all those clues.
Dowsers may be attuned to the differences without being aware that they are. But there's no magic behind dowsing. Sensitivity, observational skills, and experience are the really simple explanations. There's not much reason to "dig around" for a paranormal answer when there are perfectly logical physical reasons.
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Clearly you haven't heard speakers where the electrons are flowing the wrong wa
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I found a Monster coax cable in with the surplus cables at work a couple of weeks ago. It has arrows on it that mark the direction the signal is supposed to flow. I'm torn between keeping it (it *is* a 12+ foot coax cable) and cutting it open to see if there is an inline diode or something.
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1. One of my tech jobs involved wiring a TV station. I have never before or since seen any wiring scheme so complicated, or with so many genuinely mission-critical components. They long ago realized that it was more cost-effective in the long run to buy versus build for the wiring. So they paid top dollar for really well QC'd, precisely fitted wiring, with a very sophisticated numbering scheme. We are talking thousa
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A number of audiophile "experts" were invited to a public test of various brands of loudspeaker. The test was done by playing the same music through several well-known brands of speakers, some reasonably cheap and some extremely expensive, all laid out on a stage. There was an arrangement with a big knob and some indicator lights to switch the music fro
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Gold Plated Optical Cables
It's just such an obvious means of marketing to morons... I've never been sure if I should laugh or feel insulted when I see them.
It has to be said by somebody.... (Score:5, Funny)
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So it's got that going for it, at least.
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They must *sell* it first (Score:2)
With snake oil, there's some charlatan who sells the product as a "cure-all miracle" backed by some dubious crackpot pseudo-science research, and at least achieves to magically teleport money out of the victims pocket.
Meanwhile, with Vista, Microsoft is still [slashdot.org] struggling [slashdot.org] on the the "Sell" [slashdot.org] part.
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major study needed. (Score:2)
Dowsing I think is in sore need of a proper, large study
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James Randi is also a fraud. (Score:2)
James Randi has a significant personal investment in not being proven wrong above and beyond the supposed million dollars. If you'll read some of the accounts of how he runs his little 'challenge', you will quickly see that he
Re:James Randi is also a fraud. (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Everybody has a personal investment in not being proven wrong about this crap. But the lying/fools that think Dowsing works have a MUCH GREATER personal investment in not being proven wrong than James Randi does. Even claiming the personal investment arguement makes you look foolish.
2. The Let me get this straight, you are complainging that his tests are too strict? I got news for you kid, every scientific experiemnt has FAR stricter tests than the relatively easy thing James Randi does. Why? Because CON MEN DO EXIST. You have to be pretty moronic to complain about someone making it dificult to be conned. As a stage performer, Randi KNOWS how to trick people and he is NOT stupid enough to let someone use those same methods on him.
3. Real things work no matter what kind of strict tests you do. You light a match, it works. It works if 'non-believers' are present. It works if cameras are watching you. It works if a CHILD does it. It just works. Dowsing simply does NOT work.
4. The thing to remember is that people claiming that Dowsing work: a. make money doing it, so they have LARGE incentive to lie and cheat. b. If they did work, they would make SO money by actually doing it for real that the million dollars from Randi would be small potatoes.
5. You admit that there ARE shysters and frauds. Fine. Believe it or not but that puts the burden of proof on you. Because the rest of us do NOT admit that anyone can do it for real. The existence of shysters and frauds means there is PLENTY of doubt that ANYONE can really do it. Why? Because for a real product, the shysters and fraud get OUTSOLD by the people doing it for real. When you go buy a new car, you do not have a real chance of getting something that has no engine. The existence of REAL cars make it very hard to sell fake ones. If Dowsing etc. was real, the real people would outcompete the fakes and it would be hard to find one of the shysters and frauds. The fact that there are so many many shysters and frauds is not 100% proof that no real ones exist, but it pretty darn close to it that no real ones existed 10 years ago (because if one real one existed 10 years ago, he and his students would have put the fake ones out of business by now.
Stop attacking the guy that proves you wrong and just prove yourself right. Otherwise, everyone will continue to laugh at your foolishnes.
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Dowsing I think is in sore need of a proper, large study
I disagree. By that logic, everything would be in need of a proper, large study... otherwise one could argue "it could be true." The simple fact is that proper, large studies are only required when there is at least a little bit of evidence that something is true. So for instance when small-scale studies provide some evidence (but maybe the error bars need to be smaller for it to be convincing), or when various small-scale studies contradict each other, then a larger study may be appropriate.
And, to be
The Randi Challenge is open to everyone, you know (Score:5, Informative)
It's open to everyone. If anyone thinks he's a real dowser (or a real telepath, or anything else "paranormal"), he can register, prove it and walk with a cool million dollars for their efforts. That's more than they make out of finding water for some farmer too, so it should be incentive enough to register if they actually have the gift. Heck, a million dollars isn't bad at all a deal for a couple of day's work even for someone who's in the business of dowsing for oil or minerals. Plus they'd get the free publicity of it all. People went through a lot more effort for a lot less gain.
To my mind that's as close as testing literally everyone as it gets. If at least one person on the whole Earth had such powers, they're not just free to get it tested, but actually invited and promised a nice reward.
And the first test there is: do they even genuinely believe they have those powers, or do they know that they're running a scam? If they don't even try to register there, you can already know in which category to file them. The _vast_ majority of dowsers, magicians, clairvoyants, mind-readers, etc, fall in that category by their own hand.
But of course that still won't stop gullible people from believing in fairy tales, just because they feel a need to believe in fairy tales.
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Mogila (1986) reported a field study at the Monastery of the Caves, Kiev, where conventional sub-surface radar had failed to locate secret passageways. Of 130 sites indicated by dowsers, 73 (56%) corresponded with existing passages, previously known to the curators but not to the dowsers. At a further 29 dowsed sites (22%), previously unknown to the curators, test drillings revealed cavities. This gave a to
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Do you have any indication that dowsing doesn't work based on anything other than anecdotal evidence? Heck, do you even have that, or are you simply making assumptions?
Talking about educating the masses is pointless until one's sacred cows are put to rest. Dyed in the wool materialists are just as bad as the R
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The problem with Rusell. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
Bertrand Rusell is making a mistake then, isn't he? --Nobody can research teapots cruising around Pluto. But nobody is being stopped from trying out dowsing.
As for proof? I would suggest
Re:Comments on the article site (Score:5, Funny)
And it's that attitude, sir, that prevents you from receiving quality information from the spirits around you. Trying drinking some more spirits, maybe it will help. Lack of imagination is often cured via an artifical suppression of inhibition. It also helps if there's a sexy druid you're trying to impress. Bonus: the more drink, the more any druid appears sexy.
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Oh, and there are no such things as intelligent females or wireless telegraphs!
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Worth (Score:2, Insightful)
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A product is worth exactly what it's purchaser will pay for it.
True enough. But the free market ideal of "every product ends up costing exactly what it is worth" is based in some ways on informed producers and consumers. In reality information is imperfect, so a consumer may purchase something that has a perceived utility, when in reality the product does not have that utility.
You may say: "So what, it's the buyer's fault for being stupid." However there is a point where it goes from "stupid buyer" to "fraudulent seller." If you bought a DVD player, brought it home
Brick (Score:2)
Unfortunately, the fraudster lobby has convinced the CA state legislature to enact brick microprinting laws, making all bricks traceable to their original owners.
Price/n (Score:3, Insightful)
Not that simple (Score:5, Insightful)
Bringing free market theories into it is good and fine, but only if you also realize the context in which they apply. The free market is a bit more complex of abstraction. There are a heck of a ton of assumptions there, such as that the products are interchangeable, there are many suppliers, etc. And most importantly in this context: the buyers are perfectly informed.
That last part is crucial here: a product is worth exactly what you paid, only if you knew _exactly_ what you're buying. I.e., that doesn't apply to scams and cons.
If you think you bought Product A, but instead you got Product B, then that whole "is worth exactly what the purchaser paid" assumption falls flat on its face. Your judgment of whether or not it was worth it was based on Product A, not on product B.
E.g., if I offer to sell you, say, Porsche Carrera, how much is that worth to you? Even second hand it's still worth tens of thousands. Now imagine that you pay that money and I give you a toy car. That's just not the product you thought you were buying. Saying that it's worth exactly as much as you paid for it, would just be stupid.
Now that's a case where the fraud is easy to spot. This kind of snake oil is the same kind of fraud, only it's a lot harder to spot for the uninitiated.
E.g., if you had cancer and I promised you a medicine that can cure you, how much is that worth to you? Quite a lot, I'd bet. People have been known to blow their life's savings on such a miracle medicine or cancer-curing gizmo, in that situation. But that was worth the price only assuming that it is what I assured you it is. If instead I give you coloured water or a box that displays random numbers, then it's just not the product for which that price was judged.
It's the same fraud as in the car example: you were promised Product A and were given ample assurance that it is indeed Product A. That's what you judged that price for. But instead you were given Product B, which isn't even remotely the same thing. That's what makes it a fraud.
Now if those things were sold honestly as snake oil (think, "this bracelet won't do jack shit for your health, but we think that industrial cable looks cool and we're charging 500$ for it anyway"), _then_ that "it's worth what the purchaser paid" idea would apply. Sure, then the buyer knew exactly what he's getting, judget it worth every cent. Fair enough. If someone knew they're buying just a piece of steel cable, and was ok with paying that price for it, I can't argue with that.
But as long as the buyer was deliberately mis-led into thinking they bought something completely different, sorry, no. Just no.
Tornado Fuel Saver!! (Score:2)
It's basically a piece of plastic that you put behind your air filter. It claims to 'twist the air going into your engine...' when in reality all it does is reduce your cash flow.
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$485 Volume knob (Score:3, Funny)
Well as far as I'm concerned, anyone that spends that amount of money on a volume knob IS a dedicated knob polisher.
Welsh water use dowsing rods (Score:2, Interesting)
It was pretty odd, we knew where the pipe entered the house and where the junction was to the m
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I believe you mean "lo" and behold, although "low" may be more appropriate in this case. But more to the point: if magic pipe-finding methods worked, wouldn't they work... right away? I mean, two days? What good is magic if you have use the same way you'd use luck and patience? Oh... right.
Some kind of error (Score:5, Funny)
It's just taking me to the Skymall catalog.
Could they have put any more double entendres in? (Score:2)
Do the volume knobs count? (Score:3, Insightful)
This is after all about snake-oil, not overpriced rubish. The other 9 don't do what they claim to do, the article doesn't mention that the knobs claim to do anything except that they are made of wood and can be used as a volume knob. I see no reason why they cannot be used as such.
Might as well put diamonds there as well then, overpriced when cut glass can be made to sparkle just as pretty.
Unless these knobs make some idiotic claim, they are just overpriced toys.
Re:Do the volume knobs count? (Score:5, Informative)
I remember seeing the original hype around the knobs. At the time, there were in fact claims being made that the beech knobs, and the specific way they were made, had a notable impact on the quality of the sound your sound system outputted. Ah, found the link:
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They are custom made with beech wood and bronze where the bronze is used as the insert to mount to the stem of the volume pot. The beech wood is coated several times with C37 lacquer for best sound as pointed out by Dieter Ennemoser. How can this make a difference??? Well, hearing is believing as we always say. The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved. Here is a test for all you Silver Rock owners. Try removing the bakelite knobs and listen. You will be shocked by this! The signature knobs will have an even greater effect really amazing! The point here is the micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path and cause degradation (Bad vibrations equal bad sound). With the signature knobs micro vibrations from the C37 concept of wood, bronze and the lacquer itself compensate for the volume pots and provide (Good Vibrations) our ear/brain combination like to hear way better sound!!"
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See http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/past_pres_msg/06-11_pres_msg.htm [bostonaudiosociety.org]
o_O Well that certainly counts as snake oil (Score:2)
Thanks for providing the full background, I thought they were just expensive blingbling. Not one of those "add X to your sound installation for improved sound quality by (insert mumbojumbo)".
Amazing. I should get some for my iPod. Are they touchsensitive?
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Wow, that's just about almost believable. If the sound from the speakers is able to act on the knobs with enough force to make the volume pots vibrate, then the volume will fluctuate at the frequency of the sound. That's an interesting way to introduce distortion, and I could definitely see how loose pots and off-balance knobs could make it worse, perhaps even audible.
Turning the volume down would probably help more than new knobs, though... especially since the real problem in such a setup would be the l
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The site where they were sold claimed that they would improve the sound coming out of your stereo. You can probably still find some reviews if you google it.
People like crap (Score:2)
They are some kind of weird consumer guilty pleasure. Sort of like reading the National Enquirer while in the checkout line.
That Q-Ray thing is available in Canada... (Score:2)
Reception Boosters (Score:2)
But snake oil really works... (Score:2)
snake oil for health... (Score:2)
They forgot the entire Sharper Image Catalog (Score:2)
Audio Cables and more.. A slight rant.. (Score:5, Interesting)
No Segway? (Score:2)
Stock spam of lube additive treated as terrorism (Score:5, Interesting)
A few years ago, I received many stock spams for "XLPI.PK" [yahoo.com], or Xcel Plus [xcelplus.com], which sells fuel and lubricant additives. Such additives are referred to in the automotive industry as "mouse milk"; they usually don't do much, and may make things worse. That whole category of products is mostly bogus.
Back then, their web site contained endorsements from the FAA and the US Army. [archive.org] The web site reproduced a a letter of endorsement appearing to be from an FAA representative. [archive.org] I thought this was a bit strange, so I sent off a note to the regional FAA office asking if it was legitimate.
A few weeks later, I got a call from an anti-terrorism investigator at NCIS. Someone at the FAA had looked at the letter and the web site. They apparently didn't like what they saw, and referred the matter for investigation of the use of unapproved lubricants in military equipment. That comes under the "sabotaging the war effort" laws, which brings in military investigators.
I'm not sure what happened thereafter, but the spamming stopped and "XLPI.PK" is now trading at $0.001.
I would gladly . . . (Score:4, Funny)
. . . go quite a non-meterian distance to obtain a device which emits "non-Hertzian frequencies."
Especially if I can pay for it with non-monetary currency.
Snake Oil actually works... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Best. Freudian. Slip. Ever.
Now that you mention it, knitting some nice, 100% virgin wool speaker shams would obviously improve the warmth of the signal coming through those cables. I'll cut you in on the proceeds. This one is going to really take off, because it's designed to appeal to the wives of deranged audiophiles. Hmmm.. and then, there's Freudian Slip-Covers for those phallus-shaped surround sound speakers that are sticking
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Everyone who listens to my Bang & Olufsen speakers is blown away by their incredible quality. Yes, they are pricy. But everyone who has listened to them has told me they are the best speakers they've ever heard.
Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
Re:Wooden knobs == PC case mods (Score:5, Insightful)
The wooden knobs are $400 because the manufacturer claims that they improve the sound quality.
That's rather a huge difference, IMHO.
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Re:I won't buy it (Score:4, Funny)
Taking into account the way that your white blood cells will respond to our reverse-ionization self adjusting magnetic fields, I think you can just see for yourself how curing AIDS and bringing back your hair is just one of the many miracles that these earrings can offer you.
Re:Dowsing Rods (Score:4, Insightful)
Let me clean off my monitor, geez, that was funny.
I am frequently disappointed at the level of stupidity out there amongst seeming non-stupid people. There are people who think rubber tires protect them in a lightening storm, that man walked with dinosaurs, that 72 hot virgin babes who wouldn't touch you while you were alive would have sex with you if you manage to die while killing innocent people, that jesus needs money send to a P.O box, or that any one particular god is any less ridiculous than any other particular god or collection of gods.
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