Wikipedia Explodes In China 151
eldavojohn writes "The Chinese have recently been allowed to enjoy the Chinese version of Wikipedia now that the ban has been lifted. And the result is an explosion in use after being banned for a year. From the article, 'Activity on nonprofit Wikimedia Foundation's Chinese Wikipedia site has skyrocketed since its release, which Internet users in China first started reporting on Nov. 10. Since then, the number of new users registering to contribute to the site has exceeded 1,200 a day, up from an average of 300 to 400 prior to the unblocking. The number of new articles posted daily has increased 75% from the week before, with the total now surpassing 100,000, according to the foundation.' No one's sure how long this will be available to the People's Republic of China but hopefully the government will recognize that at least a significant part of the populace enjoys a Wikipedia community."
Censorship is a bad thing (Score:2, Interesting)
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For example, would they use the PRC Body count (23) or the Student Association's and the Chinese Red Cross body count? (2000 - 3000, as many as 10,000 injured).
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As noted at the top though, People behind the Great Firewall may not be able to access it.
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Re:Censorship is a bad thing (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Censorship is a bad thing (Score:5, Informative)
So yeah, I really wish people would stop making snide remarks as if the Chinese wiki is the government's parade ground, without even taking a look at it. Controversial topics aren't really censored, and it operates pretty much like the rest of Wikipedia when it comes to these topics. You have to remember that in the end, it's still managed by Wikipedia moderators, who ideally will try their utmost to ensure that articles are accurate and objective.
Tianennemnemanenen rhomboid (Score:3, Interesting)
It'd go something like this...
- Original article would cite the 2000-3000 number.
- Another visitor would edit this to say 23.
- Authors would re-edit back to 2000-3000.
- Another edit changes it back to 23.
- Irate users re-edit again back to 2000-3000.
- Talk page would get filled up with debate over the issue. Number would be tagged with "citation nee
Re:Censorship is a bad thing (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, and yeh, there are a LOT of foreign nationals who work in China and vastly under-report their earnings. Effectively committing tax evasion, just like they would if they could back home. (Not sure about this part, but I also understand that the tank did NOT run down that man, but he was under the body cavity area, uncrushed. If THAT is true, then there are a lot of opportunistic and sensationalistic jerks in the media who need to be brought up/flogged...)
I wonder if China's Wikipedia site will report about the foreigners there who are exploiting the system.
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It was a bloody, SAD even in the history of each, but relatively speaking Tienanmen, by many accounts, was NOT as bad as in South Korea and in Taiwan. These happenend. The western news likes to IGNORE IT. (Where are YOU from? There are any NUMBER of esteemed, unreproachable authors (not myself) and histori
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I honestly did not know what you were talking about. Being coy doesn't win you any points--being specific, and providing sources (even Wikipedia links) lends you at least enough credibility for the rest of us to know what you're talking about. In any case, you have completely failed to explain how this excuses the PLA's actions.
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If China apologized to the students at Tiananmen Square and sentenced Li Peng (China's prime minister at the time) to dea
Another day, another protest (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not so sure about assuming the quality of Chinese censorship. If you're only watching mainstream news feeds, it looks like "another day, another protest" in China. In the Washington Post via MSNBC this morning, it's One-dog policy resisted in Beijing crackdown [msn.com] where in these near-daily articles, juicy quotes like this one are increasingly common, too:
"More and more people own dogs. It is pointless to restrict dog-raising. The stricter the government is, the more people will love to own a dog," said Liu
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-1, Conspiratol.
+1, Probably right.
Slashdot needs more moderation options.
Sounds like a new drug... (Score:1)
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Ugh... (Score:1, Interesting)
Imagine.. a completely different culture that was hidden from us by democracy loving folks exploits itself in 100.000 articles/day...
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The site looks great to me, anti-aliased fonts at all. You seem to be experiencing an issue with the fonts you have installed on your system, not the Chinese Wikipedia site.
Good Luck!
But.... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Probably not as many as you would like. Whatever the number is, it will eventually be offset by "real" users.
In these terms, it makes no difference whether they are "government" or not, they are the same as pranksters or Colbert acolytes who would fake information just for the hell of it
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Over the long term, wouldn't exposure to "incorrect thought" tend to trigger some questioning in the minds of censors?
One hopes that this plays a tiny, yet helpful part in the demise of the authoritarian regime in the long term.
How to get some unfiltered information into North Korea would be the next challenge.
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There lies the true danger and the power of wikipedia, and the reason why no-one must ever take wikipedia seriously. I think this can't be stressed enough - never ever trust wikipedia, nothing on wikipedia is necessarily true. That should be recited like a mantra. Wikipedia is fine as long as everyone always remembers that and doesn't try to elevate it to anything even approaching truth.
I must say though t
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Ancient Computer Master Says, Sell Their Bones (Score:1)
You are at step 2. Steps 3 and 5 are ongoing and it's not really funny when those in jail might be executed for their organs. [theepochtimes.com] Yes, Microsoft is still "committed" to business in China [bbc.co.uk].
Trade with Communits Countries like China endorses crimes against humanity and makes the criminals stronger and richer.
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Nasty and unethical, yes (and so is Google's commitment to business in China; let's not even mention the adoption of Linux in China, shall we? That would be the sort of dishonesty you would employ) but completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.
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Well, seeing as how our own "freedom" loving governments are doing the exact same thing already, I would have to assume that the Chinese do it as well. And we've got people doing this sort of thing all over the web just to promote Ashley Simpson and the like, so you can be your bottom dollar that our own governments are just as bad.
Re: Wikipedia Explodes in China (Score:5, Funny)
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No injuries were reported. Working together, the users were able to delete all the harmful parts of the explosion. Of course, there was a lot of debate first on whether or not to delete them, since some argued that both the harmful and non-harmful parts should be represented, but in the end the 'delete' votes outnumbered them.
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What's it Like? (Score:4, Interesting)
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give them time (Score:1)
even if there are govermental red herrings in those articles, in a population of 1billion ppl the design of the WWW is on the side of the latter and i believe this chinese wikipedia will let the peoples voice be heard in a resounding way the chinese goverment
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Half a year ago, Wikipedia was entirely uncensored. Then, the Chinese language versi
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It also seems to be protected because of vandalism...
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http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tiananmensquar
image accessable inside the great firewall?
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At least the article about the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 is present, including the picture of "the man with the bags" (the Tank Man/the Unknown Rebel)
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AD%E5%9B%9B%ERe: (Score:2)
I wonder how much is re-translated on the way though the firewall...
Is it about people enjoying it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Is it about people enjoying it? (Score:4, Interesting)
Not that I'm really saying that this is what they are doing. But it is certainly a valid possibility. So many decry this type of thing as paranoid and conspiracy, but the fact of the matter is people with power and control will do anything they can to remain in power and control. This has been proven countless times in human history. It really irritates me when people fail to admit that this type of thing could happen at home or abroad...America had to fight a war to remove ourselves from tyranny. Do people think that you really only have to do that once?
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At least this way, they can make sure it is within a range close to reality (200 to 3000) vs wierd stuff (and they killed 30,000 students and tortured them to death!).
It will be wierd from some tho- prior posts here indicate many chinese are not aware of their own recent history.
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For that matter the same thing could happen without any foresight (aka conspiracy). Even if they have no current plans to round people up, who's to say unfolding events might not motivate them to do so in the future? I think this is why the NRA opposes gun registration in the US. I also think about this when I post to Usenet.
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Besides, they already knew (Score:2)
What's Chinese for "wikiality?" (Score:3, Funny)
Uh huh... (Score:3, Insightful)
Just as long as it takes to build a representative statistical sample pool of the individuals doing all the recent updates...once that's ready - OH!
Helpful unit conversion (Score:4, Funny)
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Tienanmen Square (Score:3, Informative)
Heh.
See it zh.wikipedia.org/
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(or at least link to it, that way folks could click on it, even if Slashdot muddles up the characters).
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For those who can't read Chinese, the article is pretty objective in nature and cites multiple sources with varying opinion on topics such as the death toll [wikipedia.org].
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http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E5%85%
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Population Bomb (Score:4, Interesting)
How about donation activity? OK, it's only 5 days into the popularity explosion. But if Chinese support of the nonprofit doesn't also explode by, say, Feb 18, 2007 [wikipedia.org], then how will Wikipedia accommodate the huge demand increase that Chinese popularity represents?
Will the "capitalists" now paying to operate Wikipedia have to give the "Communists" a free ride? Just how does Chinese Communism cooperate with global nonprofits when their government isn't managing the process?
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I pointed out that population explosions aren't necessarily entirely good, when they don't support themselves, and pointed out the mechanism to watch for that support.
I don't think they won't. I just want to know whether they will. What makes you think I don't?
That's not 'explosive' (Score:2)
Actually, I think these are surpr
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China is so big, and so ready to consume such cheap/open services as Wikipedia, that "explosive" isn't going to describe real growth in that market.
Again, I think the first 5 days after the ban is lif
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You can take your Anonymous political Coward agenda to some thread where they're talking about that.
Ain't seen nothin' yet... (Score:3, Interesting)
You gotta love scale. Imagine what will happen once they get genuinely interested in the West and start checking out something more than just college entrance fees...
Maybe this will finally get people outside China to start showing a bit of awareness when told they have no reliable/previous experience with the shear scale of things China brings to the table.
Maybe, just maybe, a few outsiders will get a clue and stop thinking they can judge China according to how they go about their (statistical) lives every day. More than one business model is going out the window, I can promise that much
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ChinaWikipedia entry for Freedom of speech (Score:5, Funny)
Naive much? (Score:1)
As if they care if anyone enjoys it.
The real question is how long before they demand that they be the ones to control it, including full access to the user logs.
Actual statistics and charts (Score:3, Informative)
It was based on charts and research I did from Beijing. [andrewlih.com]
Cheers.
Wikipedia Explodes in China -- Recall ordered (Score:5, Funny)
I smell.. (Score:1, Troll)
searches (Score:2)
Under "democracy", I wonder intrigued to see how China is described on the map [wikimedia.org] [from CIA world factbook originally] as "democratic, but does not allow for alter
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Click on the June 4 incident. [64.233.179.104] It's in "protected from vandalism" mode.
"significant part of the populace" (Score:2)
Why China finally unblocked Wikipedia... (Score:1)
The short version:
Inflow of Information (Score:1)
Quality of articles (Score:2)
Um, it's not too hard to increase the article count that fast when the articles are just filled with nothing but question marks. Visit the site and see for yourself!
Dan East
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Google Translation of Tiananmen Square Page (Score:2, Informative)
Oh Noes! (Score:1)
Wikipedia Explodes in China! (Score:3, Funny)
Something Missing... (Score:1)
Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running!
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It's a separate nation in reality. Everyone recognizes it as such except for just one foreign country. The only time it is not treated as a separate nation is when someone has to give a wink toward mainland China's wishes. The world operates under the basic attitude of "Of course Taiwan is a separate country. When forced to, we'll agree when Beijing for its own silly reasons says it isn't, but that is just to make them happy a
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It is certainly a separate state in reality, as the granparent stated. A nation when distinguished from a state is a cultural entity, and insofar as Taiwanese consider themselves Chinese culturally, Chinese consider Taiwanese culturally, they share a common language and history, they are part of the same nation despite being part of separate de facto states. Now, its certainly true that since the split of the ROC and PRC into separate functional entities ruled by separate r
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You sound very confused. The only reason there is more than one country that does not officially recognize Taiwan's independence is because of extremely strong objections by one particular nation that is a neighbor of Taiwan (China). If not for the pressure from China, everyone would recognize the obvious fact that Taiwan is an independent nation. Also, despite few countries "officially"
Taiwan should be a nuclear nation (Score:1)
Indeed it is hypocritical and downright foolish for the US not to back a highly successful Asian democracy. Surrendering it to the communists, like the British did with Hong Kong, would be a disaster. Since the worst has happened and North Korea is nuclear (a Chinese client with weapons of Chinese design), the US should insure that Taiwan and Japan have a nuclear deterrent as well. This would arrest Chinese adventurism in the region permanently.
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Splitting hairs (Score:1)
Splitting hairs, don't you think? Democracy is dead in Hong Kong. The UN resolution was used as a fig leaf by Thatcher for withdrawl. But if Hong Kong was good to give away to the communists, what about Singapore? You can't really blame Thatcher. What was she going to do, fight it out with China on their home turf? But
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