The Man Behind MySpace 186
An anonymous reader writes "The Guardian has an article looking at the life of Chris DeWolfe, a co-founder of the popular MySpace community site. The article details some of his previous work history, and the thought process that went into creating the site." From the article: "They pinched the best bits of everybody else's sites (Craigslist, Evite, MP3.com) and put them together in a manner that made sense. Unconcerned with technological bells and whistles and geeky one-upmanship, they instead set out to appeal to the people they knew and, beyond them, the youth tribes of middle America."
Behind myspace? eew (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Behind myspace? eew (Score:3, Insightful)
"Review Pictures" job would get old really fast (Score:5, Interesting)
That job has to be about as exciting as watching grass grow [watching-grass-grow.com] but let assume you can sustain a review rate of one picture/second. In an 8 hour day, this is just under 30,000 pictures a day per employee. And to handle the 4-5 million/day, you'd therefore need about 200 employees (counting vacation and holidays) doing nothing but looking at MySpace pictures - yikes!
Peer Review (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Peer Review (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't even think it'll take monitoring all the most popular profiles - look for sudden spikes in traffic to a profile or image. If it's a double-plus-ungood photo, it'll probably draw a crowd. It won't take long to rule out /. effect (heck, getting posted on slashdot may be a good indicator that its inappropriate) or a genuinely interesting/funny photo.
- Tash
Vrooom... [tashcorp.net]
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Re:"Review Pictures" job would get old really fast (Score:1)
Re:"Review Pictures" job would get old really fast (Score:3, Interesting)
then, you can probably strip out all the ones that dont have any reports on them..which is most i guess..
but I agree, it'll get old FAST, if I can do it part time from home, where do I sign?
Re:"Review Pictures" job would get old really fast (Score:3, Interesting)
But, as a parent, I wouldn't want any picture of my kid that was attached to name, address, or phone number. Not sure if MySpace can handle that requirement, so I guess it's my responsibility.
Re:"Review Pictures" job would get old really fast (Score:5, Funny)
I pretty much do this now in my free time. Might as well get paid for it...
Re:"Review Pictures" job would get old really fast (Score:2)
-Restil
Sounds like (Score:4, Interesting)
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is always fun isn't it! And yes, who the F@#& is this DeWolfe guy, we want to hear about Tom!
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Unconcerned with technological bells and whistles and geeky one-upmanship...
Oh, yeah, they didn't care about any of that. (Score:5, Insightful)
I continue to be amazed at the amount that Myspace.com breaks. Messaging will sometimes go down for weeks at a time. The "chat" feature has never really worked. Pages just randomly come up with errors. And not to mention the spam and the security errors. $586 million dollars, and they can't build a decent site?
I guess that's what they get for creating a massive website using Coldfusion.
Why would they care? They just got half a B... (Score:5, Funny)
Minimum Wage Support Monkey: "Umm, sir, we're getting lots of bug reports from users. They say chat doesn't work, and some of their pages have been down since Thursday."
Myspace Co-Owner: "Well, I'm busy drinking fine cognac and sailing my brand new 120ft yacht across the Pacific with a crew of 46 beautiful Thai girls right now. It'll have to wait until I get back sometime next year..."
Re:Why would they care? They just got half a B... (Score:2)
Ah the trappings, glamour and luxury of having a massive internet penis^W^WMySpace friends list!
Re:Why would they care? They just got half a B... (Score:2)
Lol!
Not that I really care one way or the other, my favorite semantic argument is "theft vs copyrig
Re:Why would they care? They just got half a B... (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, Chambers is a well known and respected dictionary; in fact, it's the official dictionary of Scrabble in the UK. As an aside, the life of Robert Chambers is quite interesting, not least for his authorship of "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation". Well worth looking up.
Oh, please! It's a reference wo
Why I'm not going to read the fine aritcle either. (Score:2)
"Youth tribes of middle America?"
I mean, I've heard Kansas is pretty f'ed up in some places, but have they really descended into tribal barbarism there, and if so, why are they posting crappy webpages?
Re:Oh, yeah, they didn't care about any of that. (Score:1)
With that said, people who blame site errors on actual cold fusion are idiots. It's not CF that is the problem, it is bad CF code from bad developers. That would be like saying "this application sucks. It was written in C++ on UNIX. That means that C++ and UNIX suck." I've heard that myspace is migrating their servers from an old CF platform to CFMX and CFMX7. That might be an issue. And yes, CF has become just an abstraction
Re:Oh, yeah, they didn't care about any of that. (Score:2, Informative)
AFAIK they're migrating to straight up ASP.NET 2.0. [asp.net]
As for bugs on Myspace, I wouldn't know. I think I'm over the age limit for frequent myspace use by about 17 years.
Re:Oh, yeah, they didn't care about any of that. (Score:2)
myspace.com url (Score:4, Interesting)
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The Redefinition Coalition (Score:4, Funny)
I'm going to send these guys a few pages out of the dictionary so they can start to figure out where they went wrong.
Re:The Redefinition Coalition (Score:5, Funny)
Proof (Score:3, Insightful)
My impression after seeing Myspace for the first time was it was like the early days of web page design. The users were more atrracted to the cheap "gee whiz" stuff. Inline audio and video took the place of flashing/scrolling text and huge animated gifs.
I have some friends that like to use Myspace so I check it out every once in a while. It is still a horrible site from a snobby tech geek point of view. To others, it is a great thing.
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Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:5, Insightful)
My friends on Livejournal don't have this stupid problem.
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
I think Myspace will serve the same purpose as Geocities: get all the goofy gimmicky crap out of a future webmaster's system early so they develop decent content later. After all, they already teach PowerPoint in middle schools and I hope it does the same trick.
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
That is an excellent observation. (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess I can't blame Myspace completely for this phenomenon as it seems to be an attitude that is pervading our entire society: it's better to look good than actually be good. Mspace seems to reinforce that message.
Re:That is an excellent observation. (Score:2)
No it doesn't even look good. It's absolutely user UNFRIENDLY. OTOH, I'm still quite astounded of how many users and how active the users are in this myspace thing.
Re:That is an excellent observation. (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, why do you think teens are flocking to it in droves? You think they care more about substance than style? They (and by "they", I don't mean Web 2.0 geeks, I mean the unwashed masses) love it because Myspace is the closest approximation we've seen yet of the (junior) high school experience. Mucking with layout with editors, tacking up animated GIFs and music bits is the not much different than putting stickers or writing band names all over their notebooks and lockers. Sure, it's clunky but isn't everything at that age?
But the real genius of Myspace is the friends system. Friendster missed the mark by making it all-inclusive (if you're one person's friend, you're everyone's friend.) With Myspace, you have to actively collect them (or be so popular that people are asking you.) The friends system is not that much different than the little cliques that form in school-- and the ability to "deny" lets you deal out the sting of rejection with as much pain as in real life. And the "top 8" is like choosing who to sit with at the lunch table (forget the "interests" section, you can gather the most sense of who a person is by seeing who their best friends are.)
Of course it's all very juvenile-- but it's for kids. And for adults who stil have that junior high mentality.
Re:That is an excellent observation. (Score:3, Insightful)
Except not really. The whole "extended network" idea got screwed up as soon as Tom made himself everyone's friend by default. Then everyone on the site is "in your extended network."
At this point, I honestly hope that banner just stays there and they d
Re:That is an excellent observation. (Score:2)
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
you know what i think? i'll tell ya what i think. i think this guy [ytmnd.com] is planning to go back to somewhere before 2003, and fucking-kill Chris DeWolfe.
you heard it here first.
Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
Sounds like just about every teenager's room. It's a well known fact that your taste is at its lowest point during that period of life. :)
Heck, I could probably adapt your rant above to describe teenager appearance (silly colored hair, si
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Re:Myspace is bullshit. Sorry. (Score:2)
Even a well-designed social networking website would not fall under any reasonable definition of "necessary".
Ummm, I think they forgot to mention someone... (Score:2, Interesting)
I first learned about social networking (SN) -- specifically Friendster -- from an NPR story. Checked it out, but didn't get an invite right away. However, discovered a slew of alternate SN sites -- Myspace among them. Thought it was a bit crude -- but didn't need an invite to join (IIRC) and you were immediately hooked into the entire network through our old friend Tom.
And that, in a nutshell, is w
Re:Ummm, I think they forgot to mention someone... (Score:1)
MySpace is the VHS to Friendster's Betamax...
otherwise we'd all be watching betamax videos in our home...
Re:Ummm, I think they forgot to mention someone... (Score:2)
it wasn't until a couple months later, that I guess friendster upgraded their system and the slowness disappeared, but myspace exploded in popularity and it, too, became slow.
Re:Ummm, I think they forgot to mention someone... (Score:2)
They are still using the ColdFusion language. They run BlueDragon instead of Coldfusion Server, and BlueDragon can run on a .NET platform.
Re:Ummm, I think they forgot to mention someone... (Score:2)
never heard of BlueDragon.
how do you know they're running that?
Bah! (Score:4, Funny)
"Why on God's green Earth did you take circa-1994 web design philosophy and foist it upon the youth of the world? We got rid of that crap for a reason, you blithering twit!"
Yeah, because craigslist is bleeding edge (Score:3, Insightful)
It doesn't take much to out do craigslist. I mean, even a CSS style sheet with a few lines could improve that website greatly. Good to see nobody is striving to outdo craigslist, we wouldn't want creativity and innovation running rampant on the web now, would we.
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MySpace Always Breaks My Computer to a Halt (Score:1)
Honestly, if you ever try browsing that site, with all the animations, videos, graphics, and assorted crap, those pages will bring your computer to an instant crawl, even a powerful one. Also, you'll get nonstop error messages no matter what you're trying to do. Technologically, Tom Anderson and Chris DeWolfe must have flunked Software Engineering 101.
Re:MySpace Always Breaks My Computer to a Halt (Score:2)
Just goes to show you don't have to get everything right to make it rich, just have to get enough of it right, at the right time. Look at that other big flunkout, Bill Gates, same thing, got enough of it right, at the right time.
World is full of pedants and perfectionists that get 99% of what they do right, just not nearly enough of "what it takes" since they spend so much time on ultimately unimportant details, and
OMG (Score:5, Funny)
Welcome to the text edition of Myspace.
Tranparent CSS with 80 layers makes it impossible to scroll down and turn off the sound of a teenage boy in women's pants getting kicked in the balls while screaming about the girl who left him after four days of romance. Pictures of people using oblique camera angles to disguise acne and general fugliness hover above links to people singing pop songs in front of their webcams, representing the extent of their creative ability.
Enjoy your stay! Tell Rupert that 580 million was SO worth it.
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I hope you see the humor in that
Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:4, Insightful)
MySpace tapped into youth culture in a way that cannot be planned for or predicted. The technology was adequate, and the kids were apparently looking for something like MySpace. Don't be surprised if some new service displaces MySpace in a while. After all, youngins have fickle taste.
Re:Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:2)
Re:Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:2)
At least here in New York. Maybe it's a regional thing?
Re:Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:2)
1) No membership on MySpace or Facebook - Most people who graduated college around the same time I did (or earlier) and didn't go to graduate school
2) Membership on Facebook but not Myspace - A handful of college classmates, LOTS of friends that were approx. 2 years behind me or more in school
3) Facebook and Myspace - Not many people in this category.
I almost never go to Myspace because nearly every person's page there is so damn ugly. Fac
Re:Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:2)
Re:Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:2, Insightful)
In other words, it's a fad!
Why don't these guys ever talk about the tech.. (Score:2)
For all the tech jokes M/S does serve its purpose, it simple does it fairly incompetently. Name a single major site with such latency problems. If you in hte business of heavy traffic you'd better also be in the business of heavy hardware with big webfarms, fat pipes and geoloadbalancing ala google o
Re:Why don't these guys ever talk about the tech.. (Score:2)
But my ruminations stand. I've pondered this later in the afternoons too (omfg, at night even!).
Re:Why don't these guys ever talk about my site. (Score:2)
Re:Proof that luck is a huge factor (Score:2)
I wouldn't be, but Myspace is very flexible. You can make it into whatever you want it to be, in the long run, there is little reason for anyone to reject it. (Otherwise whatever site that comes along to replace it would have to offer something for people to jump to (other than...it's not Myspace.)
Myspace does have the aggregate of users, but it's not hard for users to transition over--it's not like people have to buy both a VHS and a Beta
Lockin (Score:3, Interesting)
It's worth how much? (Score:5, Funny)
I'm not an HTML expert or anything, but roughly how much does myspace.com weigh?
Re:It's worth how much? (Score:2)
I'm not an HTML expert or anything, but roughly how much does myspace.com weigh?
OK, OK - it's worth it's weight in e-Gold
Sheesh.
Re:It's worth how much? (Score:4, Funny)
Two Libraries of Congress - filled entirely with obscene crayon drawings and angst-filled teenage diaries.
Yes, weep for the future of humanity. Weep for us all.
Then blog about it.
Re:It's worth how much? (Score:2)
Hold on... lemme just... pop it out of its tube here...
MySpace does have its uses (Score:5, Funny)
New features we could really use! (Score:4, Interesting)
PPC
Tool which would calculate the chance of your new online friend being a Pedo! You would be able to mark real friends as ones you have met in Meatspace, and the PPC would calculate the odds on ones you haven't. Factors would include:
-Few, or no people marking the profile as having been met in Meatspace. This one would be easy to get around by making multiple profiles, but improvements could be made.
-How often their user photo turn up on other profiles, and other websites. (You know, how instead of using a real picture, Pedos will use a picture of some other girl they found online. Pedos aren't the only ones who do it. I don't know how many dating site profiles I've seen where the girl uses pictures of Keyra Agustina's butt and pretend's it's her own)
2) Being able to view pages in Default layout, as opposed to the layouts choosen by the owner of the profile.
Too many idiots think having using a picture of a car as their tile background is cool. Too many idiots pick fonts, sizes, and colors that make their pages unreadable without highlighting the text. Too many idiots have a thing for exclaimation mark strings so long that only a 3200 X 1800 resolution monitor could display them. Wouldn't it be great to just view thier pages without such silliness... who are we kidding... anyone who does do this probably has nothing useful to say anyway...
3)Spelling and Grammar regulations.
Internet Shorthand is acceptable in one place, and only one place. Online games. WHen you need to communicate fast, you can use as many commonly accepted acronyms as you want. When you have time to actually compose your thoughts, there is no excuse for typing like an idiot. If you've ever played Kingdom of Loathing, then you know they have people complete a simple english test before they let them into the chat-room. I say we do the same thing on mySpace!
Re:New features we could really use! (Score:2)
MMORPGs are an exception to this. There's no easier way to get yourself kicked from a group (besides telling everyone else how to play their class).
MySpace lock-in (Score:2)
"If you have 100 friends and 99 of them are on MySpace you can't just go over to another website and expect them all to follow."
If that's correct, there's only one winner in this business. On the other hand, that sounds like the early days of e-mail, when MCImail and GEnie didn't interconnect. Does Myspace do things to make external links hard?
Re:MySpace lock-in (Score:2)
I think we all owe a debt of gratitude to this man (Score:5, Funny)
He helped create a place on the 'Net, where all the clueless people can gather. They don't need to know anything at all about computers, and that's a GOOD thing: They'll stay in their MySpace corral, and think themselves elite. It's a self-reinforcing thing - the more idiots that gather on MySpace, the more inclined that ALL of them are to stay there.
And the rest of us won't have to put up with them.
THIS is a GOOD THING.
We should rejoice, and be happy, that MySpace exists: It is a "pocket Universe" on the 'net, that draws in all the clueless.
Re:I think we all owe a debt of gratitude to this (Score:2)
That was coffee-on-the-keyboard, +6-type funny. And so true too! Maybe there is some good to myspace after all.
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Re:I think we all owe a debt of gratitude to this (Score:2)
MySpace == Golgafrincham Arc Ship B (Score:2)
What we may have here is the beginnings of our own "Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B", or at least an early passenger manifest.
Apples and prunes (Score:2)
Comparing myspace to craigslist is a travesty of the highest order. Myspace has done to the Internet what AOL did to cyberspace many years ago: Provided the keys to the kingdom to the lowest common denominator in terms of technical savvy. Luckily, the mindless damage caused by myspace is restricted largely to myspace.com.
Greasemonkey can save Myspace (Score:2, Interesting)
This story is PR bull (Score:3, Interesting)
People Aggregator coming soon (Score:2)
I think it's going to be the ultimate in social networking - one place to manage all your blogs and profiles.
My hope is that the universality of this tool will eventually draw people off of myspace and into corporate-free networks of their
Want to know more about Tom? (Score:3, Informative)
Am I the only one who found MySpace's tech support (Score:2, Interesting)
The usual response I get from sites which have issues with Opera is "well, don't only, like, two percent of the population use Opera? lol, no point then!". Yes, Lionhead, fuck your forum.
Re:Am I the only one who found MySpace's tech supp (Score:2)
I suspect it's just you...
I had a MySpace page for a while: a band page, with uploaded music, album shots, stuff like that.
One day, it just vanished: deleted, removed.
I emailed MySpace support asking what had happened: robot reply, telling me what to do if I'd forgotten my password.
I emailed them again: robot reply, telling me what to do if I wanted to delete my account.
I emailed them again: robot reply, claiming that, if the account was removed, it was for violation of terms a
MySpace And BBSs (Score:2, Insightful)
When I started getting on the internet I felt completely alone. I saw almost no one then internet that I knew. On the BBSs there was a community. Myspace has brought that back for me. I use it to keep in touch with people that I know personally all over the world. It is nice having pics of their friends that they may talk about when we chat or talk on the phone or whatever.
Also, it has really helped out with finding pe
Re:The man behind all the abductions... (Score:5, Funny)
Don't you mean "more frivolous lawsuits by spoiled brats who willingly disobey the terms of service and lie about their age"?
Re:The man behind all the abductions... (Score:2)
I'm in an Enemy Territory clan and many members are under 18.
Re:The man behind all the abductions... (Score:2)
Re:The man is bound to fail (Score:3, Insightful)
Either you're kidding, or you're new to "our society." Hell, that's a RECIPE for success.
Don't beleive me? One word: Lawyers.