Implants Allow the Blind to See 354
gihan_ripper writes "Neurosurgeon Kenneth Smith has performed a revolutionary operation on St Louis resident Cheri Robertson, connecting a camera directly to her optic nerve. The rig is in principle similar to Geordi La Forge's visor, albeit in very rudimentary form. At present, the 'image' consists of a number of white dots, as on an LED display. There are also governmental restrictions on this research, forcing Kenneth and his team to fly to Portugal to carry out the operation. If this technology takes off, the future will be bright for the sight-impaired."
Infrared? (Score:5, Funny)
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Lots of possible mods (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine switching to sepia tone whenever you want that "wild west" feel.
The hard part, of course, is the resolution. Stimulating specific optic nerves is tricky, but fortunately your brain is good at dealing with odd input even if you don't get the connection quite right. It reminds me of the experiment where someone wore mirror glasses that flipped the world upside-down. After a week or so, everything seemed normal.
Re:Lots of possible mods (Score:3, Interesting)
The cameras don't even have to stimulate the optic nerves. The brain adapts to what it senses. If you start to stimulate the finger-tips with image sensors, then guess what? You're going to be "seeing" through your fingertips...
No reason a non-blind person can't have image sensors (or any kind of sensors like motion, magnetic, neutrinos..) attached t
it doesn't work like that (Score:4, Informative)
Re:it doesn't work like that (Score:3, Informative)
Yes and no...
For general-purpose processing, most parts of the brain can take over for other parts, (possibly) regaining almost full functionality over time.
With vision, however, you have the single biggest allocation of task-dedicated meat in your entire brain. Evolution has hard-wired the visual cortex for computational efficiency in dealing with a staggeringly large amo
Re:Lots of possible mods (Score:3, Interesting)
You can actually train your brain to do this quite quickly. Many years ago, I had a job setting out survey grids using a Wild T16 theodolite which inverted the view through the eyepiece. I'd spend hours peering through the lens, and initially at least, it was a disorienting experience to switch to the real world. After a while though, my brain worked it out and
Re:Lots of possible mods (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Infrared? (Score:2)
Also, this would be a good alternative to LCD; now, you'll REALLY be able to see sounds. And when they do the same for the olfactory, you'll be able to smell colors...
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Could I have a third eye? Budget time is coming up and I could use the additional insight.
Re:Infrared? (Score:2)
Otherwise, some may have seen what you were up to.
People of Earth (Score:2, Funny)
Neato (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Neato (Score:2)
That depends... (Score:3, Funny)
Of course that all depends on whether or not the blindness we get from wanking is caused by degraded eyes or degraded brains...
Restrictions? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Restrictions? (Score:5, Insightful)
I do feel it has become too much though - I don't believe it is the government's job to prevent us from making rash decisions.
Restrictions on research? (Score:3, Insightful)
He says, right now, governmental restrictions may get in the way of performing the surgery in the United States. "There were no governmental or hospital problems with getting permission to do the experimental operation in Portugal, whereas, it would be almost impossible here. Plus, it was much cheaper -- about one-third of the cost in the hospital as it would be in U.S. hospitals," he says
Nowhere does it say anything about government restrictions on the research
Sensat
Does anyone have a link with data on the res? (Score:5, Interesting)
Could be useful with edge detection etc (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh absolutely. There are a few levels of goals (Score:2, Insightful)
* ability to avoid obstacles
* ability to see individual people
* ability to differentiate between people
* ability to discern expressions
* ability to read enlarged print
* ability to operate visually oriented equipment
* ability to read normally
* ability to drive
Taking things one step at a time, its a long road but hopefully one that is linear rather than logarythmically difficult.
about 1980 (Score:2)
hawk
DARPA (Score:5, Interesting)
On an unrelated note, if they could make it so that they didn't need to cut open my head to do it, I'd love to have infrared/ultraviolet/telescopic/ultrasonic vision.
Not optic nerve. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not optic nerve. (Score:5, Informative)
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This is true only in an extremely simplified model of vision. In any rate, it is beside the point. The summary indicates that the implant targets the optic nerve. This is simply not true. The Dobelle implant sends signals directly to visual cortex-- it bypasses the retina, optic nerve and lateral geniculate nucleus and incidentally also bypassing a great deal of visual processing.
There are researchers who are making visual prosthetics that target the optic
Re:Not optic nerve. (Score:2)
What could go wrong! (Score:4, Funny)
Is that a joke or a scam? (Score:2)
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Re:PRK, not LASIK (Score:2)
Re:PRK, not LASIK (Score:2, Funny)
He can talk the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk.
I mean, he's still wearing glasses.
How am I supposed to trust a guy that obviously hasn't gone through the procedure himself?
Re:PRK, not LASIK (Score:2)
I love the "don't blink" warning.
Not to worry (Score:2)
Of course, that's not really much of a concern since it comes with the No-Blink(TM) brand Eye Drops! (see "How it Works" section)
I'm sure if you peel back the label you see the words "superglue"...
Guess (Score:5, Insightful)
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I read a study a few years back about someone who lost his sight before he really understood the world -- like when he was 6 months old. Somehow, he regained his sight, but he went crazy.
His mind couldn't process the images he was picking up: he'd been able to touch animals his whole life, but he couldn't make the connection between the feel and the sight. See, your brain makes connections when you are about 3 years old. It learns what's what, and what you should expect about the world. IIRC, h
Making brain neurons light-sensitive (Score:4, Informative)
Was blind, but now I see... (Score:5, Insightful)
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hmm! (Score:3, Interesting)
Difficulties in the US (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Difficulties in the US (Score:5, Informative)
This is more or less the same technique that's been researched for decades - I saw a film (as opposed to videotape) of it in junior high when I was a kid.
There are a number of problems - as others have mentioned, it tends to cause seizures in its users. IIRC this is because the apparatus itself is fairly crude and overloads the part of the brain it's connected to. It also doesn't work very well - the resolution now is not a whole lot better than back then.
Obviously an argument can be made that someone who loses their sight may consider any visual ability valuable enough to outweigh the risks, but in this case I think the FDA is right. This particular technology is not mature enough to allow as a commercial product. There are others in development that IMO are more promising.
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Now (Score:2)
Geordi will be so happy when he learns about this!
Not for every blind person (Score:3, Informative)
Pretty cool nonetheless.
Re:Not for every blind person (Score:2)
When a child's born they do various health checks. If the kid has been born blind they'll spot it then. Sometimes it can be fixed with an operation, which if they do it quickly enough will allow the child to see fine. This would be the same - if they do the implant quickly enough the child should be able to 'see'.
OK, so it's still no good for anyone who's already aroun
Not the first such device (Score:2, Interesting)
Turning it off? (Score:2, Interesting)
On the plus side, she could probably watch a solar eclipse without special glasses. That would be awesome.
Re:Turning it off? (Score:2, Funny)
monitor replacement (Score:4, Funny)
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yes, when you've implemented hardware based DRM to protect the channel for the movie... wouldn't want you snooping on those bits now would we... you might be making a copy of the protected content...
Only useful for people who once had sight (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Only useful for people who once had sight (Score:2)
Reminscent of Zelazny's the Dream Master (Score:2)
Re:Only useful for people who once had sight (Score:2)
Hacking the Optic Nerve. (Score:3, Insightful)
Hacking the Optic Nerve is the Next Big Thing because humans get 90% of all sensory input via the optic nerve. Once you've cracked that you're 90% of the way towards very, very advanced cyborgs, with the 'net being ubiquitously available, and displaying as a HUD-type device over our normal vision, or as a 6 foot screen when the eyes are closed.
Simultaneous to these developments, we are already taking steps towards being able to offer ages people perfect memories again, by the introduction of the artificial hippocampus. (To my knowledge there are no people, as yet, with this device, but it works in Rats)
Having the ability to crack the "memory code" of our brains with a better hippocampus, and allowing our brains to use external storage ("wet-wiring"?), coupled with optic and auditory nerve implants is going to allow humans to improve themselves mentally beyond the limits which evolution, chemistry and brain size have created.
I can't wait for my implants!
I hope they won't run windows Brain-Edition though.
I can't wait... (Score:5, Funny)
I for one.... (Score:2)
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this has nothing to do with Bushitler
peripheral vision? (Score:2, Interesting)
As I read my computer screen right now, if I try to notice how my eyes move, I think I can really only read the word that my eyes are directly pointed at. I don't know if this phenomenon is a function of how the eye works or how the brain's visual center works or a combination of the two.
So, my question is,
Re:peripheral vision? (Score:2)
breast implants? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:breast implants? (Score:2)
http://snl.jt.org/detail.php?i=4443 [jt.org]
Re:breast implants? (Score:2)
Implants allow the blind to see (Score:2, Funny)
Scary stuff (Score:2, Funny)
It's all starting to come together.
The larger issue (Score:3, Interesting)
I find it troubling that more and more developments have to be taken out of America simply to make it happen, just like stem-cell research. I'm wonder if the people behind the loud, irritating moral voice against this type of research will have any qualms using the advances/benefits when they need them?
Just think in a few decades... (Score:2, Funny)
Upskirt (Score:2, Funny)
Integration (Score:2)
In addition, rather than relying on external power sources, perhaps in the future it can use something like a dracucell [slashdot.org] to power it, which would probab
I do research related to this project (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.judylab.org/research/projects/George/i
We're running a simulation of what the surgeon is doing by having the subject wear goggles with a s-video input (it's those fancy expensive goggles to watch movies or to game on). Similar to the article, a camera is attached to the front of the goggles. The input feeds into the computer, chugs through my code, and displays an image meant to simulate varying amounts of electrodes (4x4, 16x16, 64x64) in various configurations (wide screen vision anyone?). All this goes on while the subject tries to accomplish tasks (writing a check, discerning between a fork and knife, etc).
Also, check out a company working on implementing this idea:
http://www.2-sight.com/ [2-sight.com]
RP (Score:3, Interesting)
The condition worsens with age, so at the moment I am not too bad. I don't have any night vision and so I struggle in dark rooms or out at night time, but during the day I am OK. As people with RP get older, especially into 40s, 50s and beyond blind spots can develop, as well as tunnel vision or even total loss of vision.
I was surpised recently to find out that our car park attendant Dave here at work also has the condition since it is very rare (I think approximately 10,000 people of 56 million in the UK have it). Dave is in his 50s and in the last six months his vision has deteriorated rapidly such that he was registered partially sighted and the actually registered blind. He now has to walk with a white stick and has been retired from work, which is a lot to come to terms with in the space of a year or so. Sadly it took him more by surprise because it had skipped a generation in his genes and so neither of his parents had it and could explain it to him.
I am only 24, it gives me hope to think that in the next 25 years or so this research may develop to the point where it is commonplace, and that if I did lose my sight I would simply be able to book an appointment to get my visor fitted and that would be the end of it!
Ian.
The Ultimate DRM (Score:3, Funny)
Summary is incorrect (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Uh? (Score:3, Informative)
You know, like what happened 10 years ago.
Re:Uh? (Score:3, Informative)
While it seems to be a rare operation, the parent was right: this has been done before.
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Unfortunately the operation to remove one's head from one's ass is banned in America due to government restrictions
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Re:Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
It's easy to blame everything on Bush... but really stupid too. By pinning everything on Bush, you ignore those really responsible.
Don't like the war in Iraq? Want to blame Bush? Did you forget that it requires an act of Congress to declare war, or do you just prefer to let the legislative branch delude you so they can get re-elected?
Re:Wow (Score:3, Informative)
Please provide a reference for that act of Congress that declared a state of war to exist between the US & Iraq. Not the 2002 resolution that authorized force to enforce UN resolutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Resolution_to_ Authorize_the_Use_of_United_States_Armed_Forces_Ag ainst_Iraq [wikipedia.org]); the one that says "A state of war now exists between...."
Good luck.
Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by _the_United [wikipedia.org]
Re:Wow (Score:2)
You can believe that Dubya did this all on his own if you like.
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I don't blame Bush for anything at all. Bush did not give himself the power (well other than e.g., that little spy-on-you-any-time-I-want thing)
I blame 51% of the voting public (+- 2%, two times!!!) for supporting the agenda.
Actually that's not true. I don't blame the 30% that continue to enjoy the republican agenda, it's that 21% that have, for some reason, changed their minds, that I have a problem with.
I'm quite
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I do.
"Are you sure this is progress?"
Yes.
"Can this surgery only be done if one is handicapped in some way?"
No, but until the result of operation is better than "normal" eyesight, it would be considered a downgrade for most people.
"What happens when the handicapped when augmented become more able than those who cannot have the surgery?"
Then not being able to have the surgery becomes the new handicap.
"Will we forbid computer implants for the "rich" beca
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Re:Why fucking bother (Score:2, Interesting)
In answer to your question though:
1) Natural Selection has already run its course, that's why.
2) Because humans have an inate desire to improve themselves by any means possible, that's why.
Evolution has used many tools over the last 14 or so billion ye
Re:When asked what he wanted to see (Score:2)