Cedega 5.1 Released 122
Gamasutra reports that Cedega 1.5 has been released for Linux gamers looking for a Civ IV fix. From the release: "TransGaming Technologies has released Cedega 5.1, which features support for some of the newest PC titles such as Sid Meier's Civilization IV, FIFA 06 and Need for Speed: Most Wanted. Cedega allows games originally created for the Windows platform to run on Linux, straight out of the box. Other titles supported on Cedega 5.1 include Battlefield 2, Dungeon Siege II, City of Villains, Madden NFL 2006, World of WarCraft, Half-Life 2, Guild Wars, and many others. Cedega 5.1 builds on this growing list of game titles with new features that improve overall game play."
In related news (Score:4, Informative)
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Judging by the link in this article... (Score:2, Funny)
How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:2, Interesting)
I was wondering how much more taxing
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:3, Interesting)
We even had geek LAN parties where we tried to get things to work. We eventually got BF1942 to work a little. And Rainbow6 worked quiet well.
But, looking back, I think that the vast majority of people claiming success with WineX were company shills. Either that, or people didn't want to ad
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:2)
No, they work on making you think that the most popular games will work. When you actually try to install, patch, and play these games, you find out otherwise.
>>better than giving it to Microsoft I guess.
If you have a problem with MS, then why buy a game based on that system? A game sale for a MS game is the same as an OS sale for MS. The devs license DirectX, programming tools, and logos. They feed the coffers of the mons
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I just bought the Command and Conquer: The First Decade pack. Wine it errors on the installer, Cedega, it installs and runs perfectly. No gameplay problems, no lag, any of that crap.
Guild Wars, works.
World of Warcraft, works.
Steam and All the apps, they work too.
Civ 4, yep.
What more can you want?
Alot of games work with Cedega.. I don't see why all of you have these problems.
My box isn't top of the line, in fact it's almost 3 years
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:2)
The only reason I keep Windows is for games. I'd love it if I could finally get away from Windows once and for all.
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:4, Interesting)
You could always run it on the system it was designed for.
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:1)
True, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of trying to get rid of Windows?
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:4, Insightful)
Other then treating an OS as a religion of course.
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:1)
It's a colossal PITA to switch between OSes everytime I have the urge to play a game. Why not try to eliminate that problem so that I can work exclusively in an operating system I like as opposed to an operating system I've grown to dislike after years of general use? It makes more sense to me.
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:2)
A) 1 minute reboot into another OS
or
B) Spend who knows how much time setting up an application to emulate the other OS so you can play a game for it, provided you play what everyone else plays, or spending even more time hacking the code to play the game if its not what others decided you should be playing.
shutdown -r now is hardly a pain in the ass compared to the alternative. A computer and its OS is a tool, use the right tool for the right job. For games, Linux is not the
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Yeah...'tweaking' called "Aw, fuck this", [CTRL]-[ALT]-[DEL], [DOWN], [ENTER]
I never figured out what I ever got for my $5/month. If it actually runs in Cedega, generally it also runs in wine. Point2Play is a pain in my ass, and probably everyone else's too. I'd rather they work on getting the games to actually run out-of-the-box than to write a braindead app launcher.
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:2)
What exactly gives you that impression? If you're worrie, check my comments and see that I'm a longtime poster, no Transgaming employee/shill. While a lot of my games didn't work wonderfully back in the WineX days, I generally had luck with the popular ones (Warcraft III was big at the time). Nowadays, I tend
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:1)
Cedega is still basically WINE with maybe some optimizations for gaming, right? If so, games shouldn't be anymore taxing on Linux than on Windows since you're working with a translation layer to the Windows API rather than an emulation of Windows on Linux. In theory though, performance could take a
Re:How useful? / Machine Requirements (Score:2)
I like to play with gamepads as I got used to it from console gaming. I tried to connect this joystick 3 years ago to a Mandrake box but I could not use it, I believe the system "saw" it but there was
My thoughts on Cedega (Score:2)
They definitely move from one "most popular" title to the next, and I've never been clear on exactly how many people they have working on it at any one time (it could be one guy, it could be 50 people, you'd
Bit of a step backwards (Score:2, Funny)
From the blurb:
Gamasutra reports that Cedega 1.5 has been released for Linux gamers looking for a Civ IV fix
A bit of editorial nostalgia, perhaps?WoW, Amd 64, Via Chipset, ATI Radeon 9200 (Score:1, Informative)
This was playing WoW on an AMD64 in 32bit mode, on a motherboard with a Via chipset and an AGP ATI Radeon 9200 (Gigabyte)
I upgraded my bios and tried so many things and eventually gave up. I have a windows machine now. So have they fixed this?
Re:WoW, Amd 64, Via Chipset, ATI Radeon 9200 (Score:2)
Recently I installed Ubuntu and it was extremely easy to get NVidia, Cedega, and Warcraft to work... I only needed the memory workaround (0x010000000)
Re:WoW, Amd 64, Via Chipset, ATI Radeon 9200 (Score:3, Insightful)
many people, including myself (GeForce FX 5900, non-ultra) have been playing WoW nearly bug-free for a long time. in fact, i heard most of the texture problems have been resolved, but most of those that remain are due to the ATi drivers. there are numerous known (and acknowledged [transgaming.com]) issues with ATi cards and drivers in particular, and the forums are rife with people complaining about their Ati stuff not working as expected.
that said, support improves every month with every new release, and with your subscr
Cedega and Punkbuster (Score:2, Informative)
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Latest version available: 0.3.3-r1
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of files: 58 kB
Homepage: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ [uni-kl.de]
Description: Free client for Cisco VPN routing software
License: GPL-2 BSD
Cis
I have had good luck. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I have had good luck. (Score:1)
wake me up... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:wake me up... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:wake me up... (Score:2)
just need to stop looking at it like a monthly fee... more like a new license every year... for the price of a new game.
Re:wake me up... (Score:2)
Thats $20 a year to your $60 with Cedega....
You pay less by using a legit dual boot windows.
Re:wake me up... (Score:2)
Re:wake me up... (Score:2)
Now, I fully realize that you can probably find XP OEM for much less, but it comes with bigger restrictions (particularly that it's locked to whatever machine you install it on (even more, I think it's technically locked to whatever hardware you bought with it)). IIRC, Cedega can be transferred between PCs at will
You can buy OEM (Score:2)
The best reason to run Cedega is that you don't want to run Microsoft software at all and you consider this important enough that you don't mind messing to get a game working on Linux. And of course realizing that some games won't ever run under Linux.
Another similar option would be gaming on a Mac. You reduce the
Re:You can buy OEM (Score:2)
Incorrect. Quoth the Microsoft Get the Bare Facts about Acquiring PCs Without Preinstalled Operating Systems [microsoft.com] (8th hit I got on googel for "oem license site:microsoft.com"):
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As for reinstalling on a new machine, you aren't supposed to, but of course there are ways around that if you don't care about breaking the terms of the license. Otherwise you are looking at buying a copy every time you get a new computer, which may be once a year or once every 10 years depending on how
Re:You can buy OEM (Score:2)
Breaking the terms of the license is what gets people in trouble with the BSA and may result in heavy fines. While they've not sued any home users TMK (or at least not enough to get attention anyway), license issues get businesses in trouble pretty regularly. And Microsoft (and others) can audit you at any time!
Additionally, product activation
Re:You can buy OEM (Score:2)
I'm not advocating breaking the license. Certainly not for businesses. Honestly though in terms of the case we were dicussing, home user dual booting to play games, I can't possibly imagine MS busting someone for that.
But lets say you change out your computer once every five years. That's a whole
Re:You can buy OEM (Score:2)
It's really only a matter of time.
There are any number of things they could do, the least of which is cutting off your Windows Update. Have a fingerprint scanner? A camera? They can do anything, since they control the OS and have little to no oversight. I'm not saying they're doing any of these th
Link Mislabeled (Score:3, Informative)
The ass-backwards solution (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:The ass-backwards solution (Score:5, Informative)
1) Games that have massive memory requirements often run better in wine than on XP. In Simcity 4, I've got some cities that will no longer load in XP, but can chug along in wine.
2) Laptop drives aren't big enough that I'm willing to have a windows partition, but I still want my gaming fix when I'm on the road.
In general, though, you are right. A dedicated gaming box often gives the best results.
Patchy crap? (Score:2)
If you want to talk about patches, try getting the same system to work stably and without constant patching on windows.
Re:The ass-backwards solution (Score:3, Informative)
For the longest time, I did want to maintain the dual-machine setup. As such, I really wanted to build some sort of Opteron super-workstation for *only* UNIX-like OSes (Linux or Free
Re:The ass-backwards solution (Score:1)
Install Starcraft
Play
No patches, no extra computers.
Re:The ass-backwards solution (Score:4, Informative)
So with Cedega, for $60 [transgaming.org] per year, I can use my existing Linux PC which is well decked out with lots of RAM, a fast CPU, and a nice video card. As an added bonus I'm supporting WINE development.
I could convert my box into a dual boot box, but then I'll have to pay for Windows ($268 [newegg.com], respent every few years as new Windows releases come out), I have to put up with the nuisance of rebooting, and any services my PC provides are unavailable while in Windows.
I could, as you suggest, purchase a dedicated gaming PC. For something roughly equivalent to my Linux PC, I'd be looking at about $700 (respent every few years either in upgrades or replacements), assuming I'll reused the monitor from my Linux PC. And I'll need to find space for the extra machine.
I could buy an XBox or Playstation (I'd hardly call a piece of commodity electronics an "investment"), but I've been having problems getting World of Warcraft, Civ 4, City of Heroes, and Warcraft III running on either platform.
For some people Cedega is a very reasonable option. Encouraging people to spend money unnecessarily is stupid. Many people can be perfectly happy with Cedega and end up saving money. Personally it isn't for me (I play too many games, so I suffer with the dual boot option), but I'm not sneering at people who make that choice. You're not yanking people back to reality, you're ignoring reality.
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I don't understand what your point is. I don't have a bleeding-edge gaming machine. I have a very powerful desktop workstation that I run Linux on. It just happens that the key difference between "powerful workstion" and "powerful gaming machine" is a good video card. Even a cheap, mainstream video card would turn it into a solid, if unexceptional gaming machine. I've already made up my mind to run Linux on that machine; that I could u
Re:The ass-backwards solution (Score:1)
Put your favorite distro on the *cheap* computer ( I have Debian running on a Pentium I, thank you )
Put Windows on the kick ass computer for games.
You put the resources where they're needed. The great thing about Linux is that it doesn't need a lot of resources.
My experience with Cedega (Score:5, Interesting)
Steam installed fine, so did HL2. After everything was ready to go, I ran the game.
Hard lock up.
Rebooted the PC, started again. This time everything worked fine, except I got maybe 1fps. This on a not spectacularly fast PC/graphics card, but one more than capable of properly running HL2 under Windows. Even turning down details, resolution etc until everything was at the level of a NES game didn't help. Frankly pathetic.
This is why I use Windows...simple tasks, like running a game, just work properly and with a minimum fuss. I can hear everybody going "Well get Valve to release a Linux version then." Well, when they do, and I doubt they will, maybe we won't need stupid hacks like Cedega, which barely work.
I really do wonder what the deal is with people saying they got speed increases from Cedega. My experience is...well, no way.
Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:3, Insightful)
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Nope, it's probably cedega.
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is it says no then you have found the culprit. It might also be useful to run glxgears and note the framrate.
It's also good to run a native fps, say nexuiz,q1-4,ut2004 or something. For comparison.
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Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:4, Insightful)
Then your system is broken at a level far deeper than Cedega. No misbehaving software can completely lock up the average linux system other than unintentional fork bombs, which I am relatively sure you won't encounter with Cedega.
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Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:2)
If it's a problem with the nVidia driver then it has nothing to do with Cedega and Linux-native games are going to lock up too.
Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:2)
i did say it's a terminal lockup. video freezes, and it's unresponsive to keyboard input. and, as i said, i SSH in to reset.
however, it only happens rarely, if at all on any of the drivers from the 70- and 80-series. that said, when i take care to not let it happen, it doesn't. switching between TTYs and X sessions rapidly will lock it up fast and hard. it might just be the fact that i use vesafb-tng, but i dunno.
Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:1)
Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:1, Informative)
Not really true... (Score:2)
Sure, in theory you could probably SSH into your PC from somewhere else and kill X and re-start it, but not everyone has another PC in the house to do that with, and even if you do, it is probably far simpler and faster to just reboo
Re:Not really true... (Score:1)
Back on topic,
I had about 10days uptime, playing WoW with cedega for many hours (seriously, this is getting bad), but it did freeze on me. No keyboard response et al. Normally if the game crashes, i can always change virtual desktop. I do concider my PC to be pretty stable. But closed src ATi drivers, can make life
Re:Not really true... (Score:2)
Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:2)
Did you read the release notes for your version of Cedega? Did you search through the nearly 2500 posts dedicated to Source games on the Cedega discussion forums [transgaming.org]? Did you look anywhere else [sweetleafstudios.com] on the web for help?
Or did you just give up and start badmouthing a program because you couldn't get it to do something that many other
Re:My experience with Cedega (Score:2)
So because you gave it one try and couldn't get it to work for whatever reason, that has to mean that everyone else who claims it works fine must be lying?
It starts off by fabricating an opinion. Forget what he actually said; let's pretend he said something different because that's what you prefer to argue against.
Did you read the release notes for your version of Cedega? Did you search through the nearly 2500 posts dedicated to Source games on the Cedega discussion
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I just wish... (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:I just wish... (Score:4, Insightful)
If they actually made "MS Office for Linux", and it was actually half-way decent, I wonder how many of us may actually buy it. (as in those of us for whom OpenOffice does *not* cover all the bases)
Likewise, "Windows Media Player for Linux" would also be useful. I've got some stuff I need to watch that doesn't work in anything but real WMP. (ok, it does work in WMP for MacOSX, but doesn't work in that Flip4Mac thing MS is trying to push as a replacement)
Re:I just wish... (Score:2)
And so what? The Linux market is tiny, so it's not like they're losing a lot of money. And very few people would buy Microsoft applications because they had Linux version. People buy MS apps because they have to have that particular app, usually because all the people they work with also have that app.
As things stand, someone who needs a Microsoft app, usually has to buy either Windows or MacO
Re:I just wish... (Score:2)
1) It's already been ported to both the CPU types Apple uses (PPC for the Xbox 360 and x86 forever.)
2) Microsoft already has a rather large Macintosh development team making quality software for that platform. They don't have many employees who know Linux.
3) Macintosh users are more likely to buy commercial software than Linux users. There are very few Macintosh-using open source zealots as compared to Linux-using open so
Why WineX will never be as good (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is that almost every game is copy protected. Pretty much the *only* current popular games that are not are WoW and Guild Wars. (CD keys don't count as the copy protection I'm referring to here.)
Because almost all modern copy protection systems rely on intimate details of Windows to make it difficult to crack - most of the modern ones even install kernel-mode device drivers - it is impossible to directly emulate/simulate the API closely enough that these protection schemes. As a result of this, you really have two choices:
1. Disable the protection. This works well, but it is very time consuming. More importantly, it is in direct violation of the DMCA, a felony.
2. Rewrite the protection. In this method, you implement the protection yourself, doing whatever CD check necessary and disabling the original protection scheme. This method has three legal problems:
a. The protection schemes are usually patented by the protection companies.
b. In order for this to work, you must disable the existing protection. Even though you are adding a protection system to replace it, the DMCA does not distinguish this, and so this is illegal.
c. Implementing it yourself means that it will be unobfuscated. Anyone with the source - which is just about anyone - can edit out the check in your code and the protection is broken. The fact that the protection is severely weakened might be seen as a judge as violating the DMCA. Considering the way courts have decided lately, I'd say it's quite likely.
The only legal solution is to have the protection companies make you a Linux version of the protection and/or describe how the system works so you can make a wrapper. There is absolutely no way this will happen without an NDA, something a fully open-source project cannot do.
Cedega is the best we'll have as long as American law is the way it is now. Everything points to the laws becoming even more strict over time - we haven't even reached the apex of the pendulum swing.
Melissa
Re:Why WineX will never be as good (Score:1, Interesting)
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DirectX on OS X (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, if it was done really well, it would discourage the development of native OS X games, which I'm sure they'd see as a nice bonus.
I'm not a shill (Score:1)
I will care when (Score:2)
Until then, I will keep Windows for games so I can actually get the use out of my graphics card that I payed for.
Windows Emulation software is bloated. (Score:1)
interesting but... (Score:1)
When i could only afford 1 machine i'd dual boot. Linux for 1 thing and windows for gaming. Emulators and the likes are just too much a burden for me when the hardware/OS is so readily available. Dont want to give money to MS? Fine risk FBI visitations from pirating. In the end limiting yourself to a single OS is jus
Civilisation 4 on x86 GNU/Linux (civ4linux) (Score:2)
Re:Wouldn't it have been easier? (Score:5, Funny)
Are you kidding? That would require forethought, and research, and abandonment of the precious DirectX API! Fire would rain from the heavens! Locusts would eat all our crops! Everyone would be covered in boils! It would be the apocalypse!
Re:Wouldn't it have been easier?-To stay put. (Score:1)
Well, you have to figure that if companies such as id or Bioware can release Linux clients for their games, then why can't other companies follow suit? They're not exactly behemoths compared to, say, EA or Ubisoft, but they're well-known, and obviously they consider the platform important enough to develop for.
How about server software? A lot of multiplayer games have Windows clients predominately, but they get both Windows and Linux serve
Re:Wouldn't it have been easier?-To stay put. (Score:2)
Re:Wouldn't it have been easier? NOPE (Score:2)
... except for two significant details:
Re:Wouldn't it have been easier?-To stay put. (Score:2)
(grab it yourself [demon.co.uk] if you don't believe me). Of course, that was many years ago, however I doubt the profit motives have hugely changed since then.
Epic believe that giving a Linux dedicated server b
Centre Stage (Score:1)
Just an update on gaming in general under Linux - at the last LAN a fell
Re:Centre Stage (Score:2, Flamebait)
Oh right, but you don't mind tainting your system with cracked games? Because those are the only ones you're going to be running with vanilla WINE. WINE doesn't include the code for working round the various protection mechanisms. Some is being added, but it's never going to get much development effort because of the legal problems. Cedega does, but the code can't be rele
Re:Centre Stage (Score:2)
Re:Centre Stage (Score:2)
I'm too lazy to do this now but if you cat the Wine development change logs there are plenty of submissions from Transgaming. So, I guess that myth is...busted.
Re:Centre Stage (Score:2)