Craigslist to Start Charging for Some Listings 131
rufey writes "In the coming months, Craigslist will begin charging fees for some of its listings. New York City real estate listings will be the first to get the fees. Starting on March 1st, it will cost $10 to list real estate on Craigslist for New York City. The fees may not be limited to New York real estate however. Job postings may see fees imposed for various parts of the country. The fees have been proposed as a way to combat the problem of people posting the same thing several times a day to keep their listing near the top of the list."
good (Score:4, Insightful)
Editors? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Editors? (Score:2)
You must be new here.
Re:Editors? (Score:2)
Re:ALERT! Google Blog Censorship at BLOGGER? (Score:1, Offtopic)
I could get "Cheese Sandwich" and "Windows Mobile" blogs - but about 12-15 poli blogs I frequent were all down...
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Re:good (Score:5, Informative)
Still, money's usually enough of a deterrent to stop the majority of the abuse.
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Devious (Score:2)
Just say you want to make a few more bucks .
You sold out didn't you.
craigSlist (Score:5, Informative)
otherwise it takes you to a page with porn ads.
Re:craigSlist (Score:2, Funny)
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Sarcasm works badly over the Internet (Score:2)
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This is not a new thing (Score:5, Informative)
Re:This is not a new thing (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't understand why this is news. I think until now it was mostly just job postings, but there were definitely listings that cost money on Craigslist, at least in certain markets. I thought NYC was one of them, but perhaps not.
I've found a few apartments and rooms for rent through Craigslist
Re:This is not a new thing (Score:2)
I actually got my last job in Portland (portland.craigslist.com), thanks to Craigslist. The recruiter (who I ended up working closely with on my contract) noted that the money she paid for that posting was considerably cheaper than using Monster or Dice, and that she got lots of good leads on it.
Thanks Craig! Drinks on me for helping me find work when I was just starting to desp
So we're on the internet, right (Score:4, Informative)
Craigslist can be found at www.craigslist.org [craigslist.org].
See? That wasn't so hard.
Meta-Moderation? (Score:5, Insightful)
But wouldn't it be effective if people could flag the types of posts that these measures are trying to curb?
"Flag this message 'dickwad'"
Re:Meta-Moderation? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Meta-Moderation? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Meta-Moderation? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Meta-Moderation? (Score:3, Interesting)
People either don't know what flags do, don't care, or not enough of them see it. I've seen blatant scams in all manner of sections that don't get removed for quite some time.
On the same hand, I've posted stuff warning people about other posts which were blatant ripoffs or scams, and been flagged.
The one major item I bought from CL was a used iBook that turned out to have a defective logic boar
Your anecdotal evidence (Score:3, Interesting)
The Flag System does Not Work! (Score:3, Informative)
Agents posting Services (and not listing actual Real Estate, there is a separate section for Services)
Spam advertising cheap Housing, but its really Affiliate links to endless Popup Windows of ads.
"Browse the MLS Free!" postings which you have to sign up for, but then they sell your name to Real Estate Agents "looking for leads" (there is a guy in my wife's office who pays for the
It was bound to happen (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:It was bound to happen (Score:2)
Craigslist has become Spam Central (Score:4, Interesting)
Anonymous ads without moderation just don't work any more.
Craigslist Meme has TOPPED OUT (Score:1)
http://www.realmeme.com:8080/roller/page/realmeme
In the near future, you should see considerably less of Craig in the news, possibly some rising complaints, like we see here at Slashdot.
Re:Craigslist has become Spam Central (Score:2)
I haven't trolled those since I kicked a stimulant habit.
The submitter is an idiot (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:The submitter is an idiot (Score:5, Funny)
ScuttleMonkey: Are you saying I can dodge spell checks?
* *B-B: No ScuttleMonkey. I'm saying when the time comes, you won't have to.
Expanded Search (Score:4, Interesting)
While making some people pay will get rid of multiple posts, thats annoying on high traffic sites.
I just wish craigslist would actually ask what people want, without the freaking attitude...
Re:Expanded Search (Score:2, Informative)
You can do all this on these "vertical" search engines:
For jobs, indeed.com [indeed.com]
For real estate, trulia.com [trulia.com]
Re:Expanded Search (Score:1)
The search is extremely retarded - as you can search globally but just have to keep switching cities. In other words - they're unloading work the computer should be doing is dumped onto you.
Ebay (owner of craigslist) can limit searches by radius to zip code, I don't see why craigslist won't implement that.
People who want to deal locally will still be able to do that (and by default if decided), but especially in the trade of small items - location doesn't matter. Otherwise one of the intern
i hear a sucking sound... (Score:5, Interesting)
Tim Redmond of the San Francisco Bay Guardian has an interesting perspective [sfbg.com] on Craigslist:
He calls Craigslist the Walmart of classified ads because it siphons money out of the local economy since Craigslist doesn't employ people locally in the markets in which it operates.
It also seems that one of the reasons Craigslist became the definitive source for online classifieds is because it's FREE for everything except job postings, and job postings is an area where they are not the definitive source. Their product is not incredibly complex. If/when they start to charge, it would be a relatively easy task for someone to build a better free alternative.Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:1)
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:2)
Their problem is that Craiglist doesn't make anything like as much money as the newspapers got from print ads. The fees from job (and now housing) ads are enough to make Craig and his colleagues rich, but not enough to support big companies with thousands of full-time employees.
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:1)
Try combining your two statements (Score:5, Insightful)
1. craigslist has wiped out much of the traditional classified ads industry
2. If craigslist starts charging, someone will take their place
It seems to me that 1 plus 2 equals that the traditional classified industry is dead, not because of craigslist specifically, but because the technology that made it possible.
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:4, Interesting)
Craigslist is killing the Guardian because the Guardian is a bad product. And for the Guardian, Craigslist *is* local competition, and they *do* employ San Francisco workers (4, I think).
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:3, Interesting)
This is excessively critical of the Bay Guardian - probably because the poster is a Republican idiot. He's relying on the probability that a lot of
While the Guardian is definitely "left" or "progressive" or whatever bozo political term you prefer, the fact of the matter is the Guardian has been around a hell of a lot longer than Craigslist and has far better content.
While I thought the criticism in the article was a bit heavy-handed on Craig, this current issue of
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:2)
As for the rest of your post, shove it up your ass with a hydraulic ram, you fucking fascist cocksocket.
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:2)
Not relevant to the point, however, which was about Craigslist, not the Guardian. Shooting the messenger is not relevant.
I only read the thing during my laundry, anyway, and then mostly to find out what's going on in town and what movies are playing. Occasionally they do publish an interesting main article as well. OTOH, I only use Craiglist for posting ads for my tech support service and occasionally browsing the computer gigs, job ads, and things for sale. This is ha
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:2)
The point was that the OP didn't like the Guardian criticizing Craigslist because the Guardian was a leftist rag (in his - and perhaps many people's - opinion), thus ignoring the point of the Guardian article that Craig's stated purpose for building Craigslist was "community building", which doesn't seem to have been all that successful outside of the Bay Area and seems to have taken a backseat to the revenue.
Al
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:2)
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You sounded like one.
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Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:3, Interesting)
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That said, his main problem is that Craig's notion of "community building" while riding on the backs of classified ads is mostly bullshit.
It's hard to argue against his point.
Re:i hear a sucking sound... (Score:3, Interesting)
the real reason (Score:1, Insightful)
the real question i suppose is why so many feel such a need for greed
Limits (Score:4, Insightful)
The first one's Free (Score:2)
For things like home, or rent listings you could even limit it to once per week. I mean how often do you need to update those? And for that category, you could also require a (not publicaly disclosed) a
Re:Limits (Score:3, Interesting)
Another solution is to "deputize" more moderators
Re:Limits (Score:2)
I actually had the exact same idea at first, but the implementation would be a bitch, if not impossible to do fairly. How would you identify who each poster is? Generating a ton of email addresses isn't tough. IP address might work, but between proxies and rich companies/people with large IP blocks, you could still get significant abuse. While it may hurt those with more resources some, it would hurt the casu
Re:Limits (Score:2)
Use a valid credit card for the free posting, identify an account by a credit card. Bill subsequent postings (with authorization) to the card.
Craigslist = spam/scam heavy and search is lacking (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't get me wrong, I love craigslist and used it back when it was just a list-serv. But success has its price and that price is a ton of clutter.
If craigslist had decent search capabilities that would help mitigate the problem but as it is, it's very frustrating. You can't search for anything in multiple neighborhoods in the same city, let alone search for something in multiple cities. Searching for housing is tedious since you can't filter it by number of bedrooms, bathrooms, whether it has off-street parking, etc.
I have found some utilities online that will do craigslist filtering but they can't help but miss a bunch of postings since they're just parsing a bunch of text. There is nothing that they can key off of in order to filter accurately.
I'll still use craigslist when I need to, of course, but I also use other things as well and don't solely rely on it.
- tokengeekgrrl
Re:Craigslist = spam/scam heavy and search is lack (Score:2)
Re:Craigslist = spam/scam heavy and search is lack (Score:3, Insightful)
Sold my car on Craigslist, for more than car dealers offered, in cash, in under 4 hours.
Sold a Playstation 2 in under a day.
Sold all the major parts of a broken iBook, including the broken logic board, for more than the total offered by a computer salvage company.
Bought a 6-year-old laptop computer with the exact specifications I wanted, in under two days, for less than the median se
Here's a CraigList (Score:2, Funny)
craig, CO Population (1990): 8091 (3559 housing units)
craig, IA Population (1990): 116 (47 housing units)
craig, MO Population (1990): 346 (166 housing units)
craig, NE Population (1990): 228 (116 housing units)
(from dictionary.reference.com)
Anyway, so they'll charge. But $10 won't stop annoying/deceptive ads and if they go much higher, they'd better offer something for it, like better searching and better policing. How much does Ebay spend to fight fr
Re: How much does Ebay spend to fight fraud? (Score:1)
The article is wrong!!! (Score:2)
How about "Casual Encounters"? (Score:1)
Didn't I read this in December? (Score:2)
The fee is for brokers only... (Score:1, Funny)
their plan all along (Score:5, Insightful)
OT somewhat: To me, the internet has so far destroyed more 'wealth' than it created. What was once the music business is losing the 'business' part (probably going to improve the music). Corporations that were worth $ because of song ownership / publishing catalogs are now involved in a market driven con game to claim they're still worth anything at all. Magazines that used to employ writers, designers, editors, mail room clerks are watching their industry go away, and some covering their own demise. The writers end up blogging where Googles current ad-revenue illusion can make them a couple of $$ a day. When the fraudulent aspect of click throughs becomes more evident, that revenue stream will ride off into the sunset.
How newspapers can fight back (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:How newspapers can fight back (Score:1)
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$150 annually (with significant savings on two- and three-year terms)
You forgot to mention that.
qz
Re:How newspapers can fight back (Score:2)
good idea for real estate (Score:2, Interesting)
Thats fine so long as... (Score:2)
Craig Interviewed Recently (Score:2)
Re:Craig Interviewed Recently (Score:3, Informative)
Tavis: Up next on this program, the creator of Craig's List, Craig Newmark. Stay with us.
Tavis: Ten years ago, Craig Newmark started a small Website designed to help his friends and colleagues share information about things like jobs and apartments and events. He just happened to call the site Craig's List. Today, as you well know, (laugh) Craig's List is in 34 countries around the globe, used by some 10 million users a month. Craig Newmark, nice to
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People can and will ruin anything worthwhile (Score:1)
My brilliant commercial mind yields deep insight! (Score:2)
Hmmm, wouldn't you also be making money off of it?
Oh... we didn't think of that...
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re: brokers suck. (Score:2, Informative)
You can thank RENT CONTROL. & Zoning Regulatio (Score:2)
It's the brokers who ruined it for everyone and it is such a good thing that craigslist finally implemented this fee. You can avoid the brokers in other boroughs, even Brooklyn most of the time, but the way it works in Manhattan is that you HAVE to go through a broker to find a place and you always end up paying them a hefty fee (usually at least a month's rent).
There is one and only one reason for the littany of nonsense you've catalogued in your post: RENT CONTROL. [You could throw in Rent Control's ba
Craigslist should cost a buck for anything. (Score:1)
It would cut down on the spam and it would raise money for a good cause.
I like Craig, but Craig is not the good cause I'm thinking of.
Alternative (Score:2)
This got me thinking, though- why not just charge someone to auto-bump? "Pay us $5, and for the the length of your posting, we will automatically bump you to the top at the beginning of each day." It removes the repeats, takes care of those who are the problem, and everyone else goes on having free postings t
Fees - who needs em' (Score:2)
We get nickle and dimed to death. And instead of putting in place real solutions like requiring SMTP authorization, we get to pay and pay and pay.
Then of course there are the fees tacked on to monthly phone bills. Fortunately this one doesn't bother me as much because I jumped to VoIP over a year ago. But already I'm hearing the drum beat of more taxes and fee
I think $10 is a bit too high. (Score:2)
I think $10 is a bit too high, especially for apartment management agencies that often have many apartments come available each month. Maybe $1 per listing would be better. I guess they need to find the sweet-spot where the price doesn't drive away listings altogether, but keeps down the repeats.
I've never needed to look for an apartment on Craigslist anyway, so I don't know how this issue might be handled. It would be nice to be sure a listing goes away when the unit is rented. But you can't really b
Craig has a "fee forum" and he reads and replies!! (Score:2, Informative)
It's amazing how involved (and accessible) Craig is!
This Is How You Fix Bad Site Design (Score:3, Interesting)
The problem with Craigslist, as everyone who posts there knows, is that your post rolls off the front page in a matter of a few hours, but you are supposed to only post once every seven days (not that anyone does this - everyone posts at least daily and many post multiple times a day.) You're also only supposed to post in your immediate neighborhood. Right - like the people within five or ten blocks of you are going to be enough to support your business - especially in a town like San Francisco where a "neighborhood" is barely ten blocks, if that.
As everyone knows, very few people look beyond the first page or two of Google search results, and very few people look beyond the first page or two of Craigslist search results.
The only calls I've ever gotten from my ads - and that has been a grand total of TWO - were within an hour of being posted while they were still on the first page. The rest of the time, my ads are completely worthless. This is the dirty little secret of Craigslist.
So now they intend to charge for the dubious privilege of getting somebody to read your ad. Fat chance. This will be the end of Craigslist. Numerous people offering tech support services will no longer advertise simply because the return on the ad investment will be too small to justify paying for the ad. It's that simple. In the end, of the couple hundred tech support people advertising on Craigslist now, maybe a couple dozen will remain.
Then the service ads page will be only one page and maybe it will work. Apparently the only way to generate any business is to be the only company able to afford to run an ad...
Somehow I don't think this is what Craigslist was intended to be.
It's also interesting that I read today in one of the SF weekly papers a criticism that Craig, despite his rhetoric about "building communities", basically has done nothing to do that in the over 100 cities his operation is in. Instead, Craigslist has basically wiped out the classified ad sections of newspapers in every community it operates in. While this is not a bad thing per se, the end result, as the paper points out, is that none of the revenue remains in the community. When asked about this, Craig's only response was "I only go where people want me."
Craigslist has now made up my mind for me. It's worthless advertising there for the PC tech support business at least. Besides the saturation advertising of the two or three hundred people doing this work in the city, and the multiple posts, now they want to charge.
Forget it. I'll do it the hard way - promote my Web site and resort to direct mail.
You seem a bit confused (Score:2)
"Then the service ads page will be only one page and maybe it will work. Apparently the only way to generate any business is to be the only company able to afford to run an ad."
Um, we're talking about $10 here. If you can't afford that, maybe you are in the wrong business. Also, I
Re:You seem a bit confused (Score:2)
Criagslist is obviously intending to charge for more types of ads than they're doing now.
Their stated goal is to reduce the redundant posting of ads.
This occurs in the computer services section, which is the only section I'm concerned about.
The problem is the entire setup. People post multiple times because the setup forces your ad off the front page within hours, while at the same time you're not supposed to post multiple times or actually more than on
Agreed (Score:2)
Never seen the big deal. It's a poorly designed site that has very little going for it. I looked around and can't find anything of interest on there at all. Where's t
Re:Agreed (Score:2)
I know a lot of younger people who have used Craigslist extensively to find cheap apartments and sublets for rent. I think that's honestly the major use of it for most people. Also, I've checked it out a few times on the Free Stuff page, which is a good place to pick up furniture for refinishing.
I think it mainly gets used by twentysomethings who are hurting for cash and looking for inexpensive places to live, in cities where there is a l
Re:Agreed (Score:2)
Re:Agreed (Score:2)
That's the problem. The poor interface isn't hiding anything. This "content" you speak of... where is it? Because all the actual text I see is fluff. Hard to find, hard to read, mostly worthless, fluff.
Maybe if I was a broke college student who needed second hand furniture or ther cheap used shit, then I'd be more interested. Or if I
Re:Agreed (Score:2)
Re:Slashdot to start charging for inaccurate stori (Score:3, Funny)