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GTA 5 Actor Goes Nuclear On AI Company That Made Voice Chatbot of Him 56

Rich Stanton reports via PC Gamer: Ned Luke, the actor whose roles include GTA 5's Michael De Santa, has gone off on an AI company that released an unlicensed voice chatbot based on the character, and succeeded in having the offending bot nuked from the internet. AI company WAME had tweeted a link to its Michael chatbot on January 14 along with the text: "Any GTA fans around here? Now take your gaming experience to another level. Try having a realistic voice conversation with Michael De Santa, the protagonist of GTA 5, right now!"

Unfortunately for WAME, it quickly attracted the attention of Luke, who does not seem like the type of man to hold back. "This is fucking bullshit WAME," says Luke (though I am definitely hearing all this in Michael's voice). "Absolutely nothing cool about ripping people off with some lame computer estimation of my voice. Don't waste your time on this garbage." Luke also tagged Rockstar Games and the SAG-AFTRA union, since when the chatbot and tweets promoting it have been deleted. Fellow actors including Roger Clark weighed in with sympathy about how much this kind of stuff sucks, and our boy wasn't done by a long shot:

"I'm not worried about being replaced, Roger," says Luke. "I just hate these fuckers, and am pissed as fuck that our shitty union is so damn weak that this will soon be an issue on legit work, not just some lame douchebag tryna make $$ off of our voices." Luke is here referring to a recent SAG-AFTRA "ethical AI" agreement which has gone down with some of its members like a cup of cold sick. Musician Marilou A. Burnel (not affiliated with WAME) pops up to suggest that "creative people make remarkable things with AI, and the opposite is also true." "Not using my voice they don't," says Luke.
WAME issued a statement expressing their "profound understanding and concern."

"This incident has highlighted the intricate interplay between the advancement of AI technology and the ethical and legal realms," says WAME. "WAME commits to protecting the rights of voice actors and creators while advancing ethical AI practices."
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GTA 5 Actor Goes Nuclear On AI Company That Made Voice Chatbot of Him

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  • by ByTor-2112 ( 313205 ) on Monday January 15, 2024 @10:33PM (#64162073)

    Don't stop us, we might cure cancer, we promise!!!

  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Monday January 15, 2024 @10:34PM (#64162079)

    There's a fuzzy, fuzzy line between producing a "Micheal-like voice" and attempting to get it 100% perfect. How close can you get before you're ripping off the actor?

    However, if you're advertising it as a rip off... you're so far over the line there's zero question you need a smack-down.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      What if they paid a human voice impersonator for the raw data to train the AI etc- got all the rights signed off etc.

      Apparently there are Right of Publicity laws but they're not applicable everywhere.
      • Humans are legally able to make creative, and therefore also Derivative works, "AI" legally is not.
        • I have a fix for all of it.

          Unless and until we build one that's actually intelligent... AI should legally be considered 'special needs' persons under the care of the government. Any money made from them should therefore go to programs that support such people, any work they do should be paid minimum wage (per instance), and putting them to illegal use would then become a criminal offence of a whole new kind on top of the base charge.

          There are a lot weirder laws out there, that one little definition would s

          • A special needs person? What about when its makers decide that they no longer want to support it? Can they terminate it or does it have to go into a special care facility. What's a reasonable life-span for that before it's terminated?
          • That would be a wonderful policy if your goal is to shift AI development to other jurisdictions, such as China, without such silly restrictions.

    • It will probably be subjected to a "reasonableness" standard, e.g., if a reasonable person would believe if was him, it's infringing.

      Then of course how do you define "reasonable", which is up to the judge and what the lawyers can convince him of.

      • by gavron ( 1300111 )

        It's not infringing the way you and the actor claim.

        There are many people who do impressions of famous people saying famous things, and ALL of it is 100% legal noninfringing.

        My favorite is Frank Caliendo. He does a great John Madden, Bill Clinton, and others. NONE OF IT IS INFRINGING.

        Copyright is very explicit and these actors and big media have made up a firestorm of bullshit to pretend that reading public text or reading it aloud or sounding like the guy who said it infringes some nebulous "rights" that

    • It's not as if the company said something generic like "chat with a GTA character!" - the company promoted a conversation with a specific character which had been voiced by a specific voice actor. I imagine it's legal, given the actor's complaint about his weak union (meaning they probably don't have much in the way of contract protections); but it feels slimy as heck.

      • No, but they said, "WAME commits to protecting the rights of voice actors and creators while advancing ethical AI practices." while they knowingly, unethically, & wilfully infringed the rights of Rockstar Games so it was totally OK.
      • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        Why does it feel slimy. He is a voice actor. The character is a cartoon (effectively). Do you think they have never replaced voice actors in cartoons before. How many different actors have voiced Bugs Bunny or Micky Mouse?

        Does WB or Disney make it obvious when the change actors, or is it just a line somewhere in the end credits? It isn't as if the new actors don't attempt to give the character a similar voice. It might be fair to say the first person to voice these characters made an artistic contributio

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @12:34AM (#64162249) Journal

      There's a fuzzy, fuzzy line between producing a "Micheal-like voice" and attempting to get it 100% perfect. How close can you get before you're ripping off the actor?

      You are only ripping off the actor if you use their work to train your AI without their permission. If you train the AI using someone with the same accent and perhaps follow that up with some manual tuning to make it a closer match then you've done nothing different than an impressionist and cannot be said to have ripped someone off since you have used nothing of their work and have merely produced something that sounds similar. Indeed, if you have a good impressionist you could even train the AI on their impression of the original actor!

      • It depends on where you are, some nations have right to likeness and some don't. If they're trying to pass it off as a character that you have no rights to, well, you have no rights... until they use your name without permission, then they've associated your likeness with the name and the recording and now they're using your likeness without permission.

        As I understand in the US you do have the right to your likeness, while in the UK you don't, so pictures of people have been used to advertise all kinds of o

      • by flink ( 18449 )

        You are only ripping off the actor if you use their work to train your AI without their permission.

        What's the difference between a human watching 100s of hours of an actor's work and training themselves to do a near perfect impression and doing the same with an AI? What's the fundamental legal and ethical difference between a neural network made of a few 1000 neurons in a meat brain vs a silicon one?

        We allow humans to do impressions of famous people and even make money doing it, so where exactly is the line? For the record, I'm against what happened here and AIs using actors' likenesses without permissio

        • What's the difference between a human watching 100s of hours of an actor's work and training themselves to do a near perfect impression and doing the same with an AI?

          The original actor presumably created the work with the intent that it be watched by humans so they can hardly complain if someone does that even if that person is training to replace them. In the second case though you are using their own performance to train a machine in a way that they did not intend or authorize and then using that machine to replace them.

          While it still might be legal to use a performance in that way clearly, had the actor been aware of where AI tech was heading, they might well hav

      • by amplex ( 1649505 )
        I don't think you're qualified to make the decision on what is 'ripping off the actor'. A non-human impressionist cannot be compared with a human impressionist due to a completely different scenario, something that couldn't be done in a lifetime by a human can be done nearly instantly with an AI. Do you really think Ned Luke would be mad if some random person could do a near-perfect impression of him? Probably not, he'd probably be impressed. But a company builds an AI model of his voice without permission,
    • by Kisai ( 213879 )

      It really depends.

      If something is marketed as "Voice Actor Name Here!" , then you're trading on the person's image. If you're marketing on "Character from GAME/MOVIE/FILM/TV", then you're marketing based on another IP. Neither of these are acceptable. If you train an AI on someone's voice, you can't name it after the actor or the IP they come from. So for example if I made a GTA Michael-like voice , I would not call it that. I would call it "White Criminal Protagonist" and even then, I would not want it to

    • Let's say I start a new shoe company, and I call it Nik\'e (please forgive the TeX encoding, but slashdot doesn't support Unicode.) We produce shoes that look almost like some other competing brand named Nike. Is that a problem?
  • They did not use that phrase by accident: they are referencing the SAG-AFTRA "ethical AI" agreement by which actors (voice and otherwise") will generally be robbed.

    • Well, we've already had "Tethics", the portmanteau of "tech" and "ethics" so would ethical AI be AIethics?

      What I'm not sure about is how these groups of people &/or corporations with no moral compass can navigate being ethical in any human sense of the word.
      • Ethics ? Corporations ? Post-mod C-suites.  They cannot, have not, will not. Ford/Hewlit-Packard cannot exist. Constraints of  Calvinist/RC   culture have been removed .  Lenin dies screaming blood. Social Darwinists/Libertarians/psychpaths  rejoice. 
  • by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .tzzagem.> on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:49AM (#64162397) Homepage

    We now live in a world that, for better or worse, AI voice reproduction exists. If you record your voice and distribute it in any capacity, it can be reproduced now, and in the end everyone will have to accept that.

    Focus should be on preventing fraud (via impersonation) as well as money-making off of someone else's voice without their permission or compensation. Bujt outright stopping it? Horse has left that barn already.

    • by vbdasc ( 146051 )

      Focus should be on preventing fraud (via impersonation) as well as money-making off of someone else's voice without their permission or compensation. Bujt outright stopping it? Horse has left that barn already.

      Someone wants to stop it? Not the actor, judging by the submitted text. He clearly said that he simply wants to not be ripped off.

  • ...because it really couldn't do a worse job of writing?

    "...our boy wasn't done by a long shot:"
    "... has gone down with some of its members like a cup of cold sick."

    Blech.

  • This incident has highlighted the intricate interplay between the advancement of AI technology and the ethical and legal realms...

    I bet AI writes their responses.

  • He should go on a "Kiiiiiiill Frenzy!!"
  • GTA 5 actor criticizes AI company that made voice chatbot of him

    There, fixed. Sane people don't speak in clickbait-ese.

  • Replacing video game voice actors seems like the perfect application for AI. Does anyone really care about the face behind the voice? In fact, if I recognize the voice it kind of ruins the experience. Video games are all about immersion and if you can generate a unique voice that speaks fluently and consistently, there's literally no reason for a voice actor. It also opens you up to more more variety and flexibility in dialogue. Procedurally generated voiced dialogue would be pretty cool. Impersonating a vi

  • 1. AI emulating someone's voice. As long as it is not using copyrighted material to accomplish this goal, I can't see how it's illegal or unethical. 2. Company marketing their AI emulated voice using the original creator's name, that's definitely not ethical and possibly illegal in some places.

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