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Intel Suspends All Operations in Russia 'Effective Immediately' (arstechnica.com) 107

Posted by msmash from the closer-look dept.
Intel, one of the world's largest semiconductor companies, is suspending business operations in Russia "effective immediately," the company announced late Tuesday. From a report: "Intel continues to join the global community in condemning Russia's war against Ukraine," the company said in a statement. Intel stopped shipping chips to customers in Russia and Belarus in early March. Intel said that it is "working to support all of our employees through this difficult situation, including our 1,200 employees in Russia."

Ordinarily, it would be a drastic step for a multinational company like Intel to exit a market the size of Russia. But Western sanctions have made it increasingly difficult for global companies to operate in Russia. Earlier this week, the Biden administration announced broad sanctions on the Russian electronics industry, which presumably includes many of Intel's partners and customers in Russia. Two of Intel's major competitors, AMD and Nvidia, halted sales of their products in Russia early last month. Taiwanese chipmaker TSMC has also restricted sales in Russia.
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  • Pariah state (Score:5, Insightful)

    by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:10PM (#62422652)
    Putin misjudged this whole thing massively. Where do we go from here? I don't foresee him saying "oops" and withdrawing Russia from Ukraine with its tail between its legs anytime soon. They were in Afghanistan for 10 years. (We were there for 20).

    I guess what we're doing - making Russia weak with sanctions and giving Ukraine weapons to blow up their army - is the best option. But Russia is going to be like Iran almost, greatly increasing the odds of something really bad happening. Meanwhile, Europe's energy situation is awful and will put a serious dent in their quality of life for many years to come.

    • Re:Pariah state (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:37PM (#62422738)

      Europe, especially Germany, has been playing the virtue signaling game and ceding sovereignty to the Bear for a long while, especially under the Merkel Doctrine. It was only after the invasion started that Germany started realizing that Russian tanks might soon be knocking on their door, and the Berlin Wall being rebuilt by the Russian army. At least they are doing some type of effort, perhaps more than helmets, because they realize that if it happens in Ukraine, it can happen on German soil.

      Hopefully the advances in small to micro nuclear reactors can help with this, and be able to compensate for the lack of Russian natural gas. Europe should never have left nuclear power behind... but it seems they have learned their lesson. France is excellent with nuclear power, and maybe this is an impetus for getting thorium reactors out of the research phase and into reality, which is much needed, until nuclear fusion is viable.

      Long term, maybe this is a good reason why the EU should keep unified and not walk away from NATO. It also might not hurt if the UK rejoined the EU, because Brexit was something that was pushed at due to Russian propaganda, and has weakened both countries.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by edis ( 266347 )

        Starting from the bottom: UK can have as many particular treaties, it needs to shape relationship to its particular and exact liking.

        Germany energy: announcement reported here today of doubling share of renewables from 40 to 80 percent by 2030 is very nice and dynamic, while if it could have made 40, why couldn't it double, isn't it. Sure, the transition gap can have use of super-safe nuclear and super-cleaned coal, with these composing remaining 20 percent by the mentioned deadline.

        "Walk away from NATO": h

        • It takes 6 years to get a nuclear reactor up and running today. If they want to hit that 80% by 2030 they have to move really fast. That means picking sites, getting all the paperwork done and approved (including any NIMBY issues), and start construction in the next 19 months. Doable, yes. Not sure if that is very likely however.

      • France is excellent with nuclear reactors you say. The French have been building an EPR nuclear reactor in Finland for like 17 years already and it is still not fully operational. The EPR reactor in France is not working yet either. And the EPR reactors that are operational in China have had issues with cracked fuel elements supposedly. The Russians build a similar power level reactor in Belarus in like 8 years. It started construction 8 years after the reactor the French built in Finland and is already ope

        • Chernobyls RBMK reactors were also designed to be simple and build out quickly. The plant at Chernobyl was the largest nuclear plant in the world

      • Jesus Christ that post is so full of drivel it's hard to know where to begin:

        Ceding sovereignty? By that I think you mean building a dependence on resources, yeah kinda hard when you lack resources of your own and have large consumption. Maybe if you had a timemachine you could go back a million years and gather all the dinosaurs on the continent and kill them there so Europe would have its own ample reserves of oil and gas.

        Knocking on Germany's door? You do realise how very careful Russia has been to *not*

      • Europe, especially Germany, has been playing the virtue signaling game and ceding sovereignty to the Bear for a long while, especially under the Merkel Doctrine.

        Give examples, show actual events, otherwise it makes no sense, at all.

        It was only after the invasion started that Germany started realizing that Russian tanks might soon be knocking on their door, and the Berlin Wall being rebuilt by the Russian army. At least they are doing some type of effort, perhaps more than helmets, because they realize that if it happens in Ukraine, it can happen on German soil.

        Congratulations! You can be a CNN's stringer. What you say is false besides of making no sense. Germany is not only an EU member but is also a NATO member. The only way Russia can invade Germany is by inducing the whole world into a big fucking WWIII. In other words, Russia attacking Germany will trigger the first NATO's rule which is a full scale military response to defend Germany. Ukraine in the other hand is not and EU member not eve

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by mmell ( 832646 )
      Everyone misjudged the whole thing massively. NATO collectively showed shortsightedness in believing that the prospect of economic growth and prosperity would be enough to rehabilitate the new Czar. Ukraine collectively have been screaming at the top of their lungs for anybody to hear; we didn't listen. We didn't want to hear it.

      Young kids won't get it - at least, at first. Based on your UID, I'm guessing you're of a similar vintage to myself - you may even remember watching manned moonshots as a kid,

    • Declare victory and go home (Score:5, Insightful)

      by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:53PM (#62422798) Journal

      > Where do we go from here? I don't foresee him saying "oops" and withdrawing Russia from Ukraine with its tail between its legs anytime soon.

      That's not easy for a man like Putin to do. I suspect that WHEN he eventually leaves, he'll declare victory and go home. He'll say they "de-Nazified" the country, so the job is done.

      We'd like to think Russians would depose him, but he's made that rather difficult. He has watchers watching the watchers, and other watcher-watchers watching them to make sure nobody is a real threat that him. He'll go down only if a lot of people close to him ALL decide it's time for him to go down.

      • Re:Declare victory and go home (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Kartu ( 1490911 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:20PM (#62422886)

        We'd like to think Russians would depose him, but he's made that rather difficult.

        This is so delusional it hurts, guys. Sorry to bring it to you, but chauvinism is rampant in Ruzzia (and always was), Putin is a logical product, not some sort of fluke/deviation, of Ruzzian society.

        If you'd dare going and checking out what ordinary Ruzzians say even anonymously on their boards (e.g. yaplakal.com) you'd rather be depressed.

        Ruzzia is aking nazi Germany, a fascist state, who's citizens are fine with invading and even WIPING OUT ("Ukraine is not a real state or nation") neighbouring country for some "geopolitical" reasons.

        Yes they are REALLY FINE with it.

        There is no way to cure such country, bar major defeat. (and yes, I remember about nukes)

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by phantomfive ( 622387 )

          If Putin were really afraid of NATO, he wouldn't have moved his army away from Latvia and Estonia. Instead he would have reinforced his army there.

          Putin has no fear of NATO, it's just an excuse.

          • putin would never touch nato.

            funny to think putin is so strong. he's a pussy. he uses his military to - uhhh - compensate.

            call his bluff and he'll cry like a little girl.

            we're too scared to call his bluff. that's what I hate about us - we have enough power to hurt him so badly and yet we hold back.

            I think years of brainwashing has sunk in. thing is: russia was not nearly as strong as they acted and their arms are all rust buckets now.

            its time we rethink the MAD stuff. it should not be a strangle to us,

            • seriously - we are seen as weak since we are too restrained.

              You can talk to Biden about that. He personally vetoed the transfer of MIGs to Ukraine.

            • Re: (Score:1)

              by Shugart ( 598491 )
              I agree! Bring on World War III with nukes all round. Too darn many humans anyway!

          • Re: (Score:3)

            by shanen ( 462549 )

            Best point I've seen so far in what seemed to be a promising discussion. From an FP yet. Modded Insightful, too (as was the FP). Major omission (spanning the entire discussion) seems to be sufficient consideration of the civilian deaths and war crimes. I nearly said something as SP, but negative relationship barred me. (I don't remember the identity, but if it feels that badly about YT, then...)

            My main reaction to the entire topic is: "Money is fundamentally cheap. But why should the Ukrainians be paying fo

            • My main reaction to the entire topic is: "Money is fundamentally cheap. But why should the Ukrainians be paying for our freedom with their lives?" My tentative conclusion has something to do with a shortage of "sacred honor" outside of Ukraine

              Good question. The answer is that it's entirely Biden's choice. Many (if not most) people in America want to send the military to defend Ukraine, or at least give them the best weapons we can.

              Biden doesn't want to do that. It's Biden's decision, and he personally vetoed the sending of MIGs to Ukraine. It's not because "he's following the rules", because the rules specifically say we will defend Ukraine in this situation (the Budapest agreement). So the question is, why is Biden like that? It's not logical.

              M

              • I don't think he's scared of a confrontation. I think he's being wary of what that would mean. In a single poll I read with the same question asked in different ways Americans supported and did not support entering the war in Ukraine. Once you go in keeping control of what you have to do is hard, and keeping the public onside is even harder.

                Then there's the Ukraine national image. If the US goes on then they lose some degree of legitimacy. Right now they really need to be telling the world that they are a

                • I don't think he's scared of a confrontation. I think he's being wary of what that would mean.

                  There are real reasons to be worried of confrontation, but Biden specifically matches the profile of people outlined in the book On the Psychology of Military Incompetence. This psychological profile leads to people making illogical decisions in the face of confrontation.

                  • Re: (Score:2)

                    by shanen ( 462549 )

                    Sounds interesting, but not available in any of the libraries I can get to easily.

                    So I'm reduced to my tweet of the day:

                    Putin doesn't care about money. But the rest of the world is basically willing to let the Ukrainians pay for freedom with their lives.

                    America was different. Bush I rode war popularity to a high level and was then voted out. Peacefully.
                    But Putin isn't going anywhere.

                    • But Putin isn't going anywhere.

                      That is definitely not true.

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by shanen ( 462549 )

                      I'm talking about the short term. I'm guessing you intend a joke about the long term.

                      But if they file enough war crime charges, then Putin will literally be unable to go anywhere outside of Russia without risk of arrest.

                    • I think if Russia loses the war, there will be a lot of anger at Putin within Russia, and he will not be able to maintain his hold on power. The cold logic will be something like, "Putin brought these painful sanctions on us, and we got nothing in return."

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by shanen ( 462549 )

                      I remind you of the Subject, even if Putin has to define victory downward. Putin may wind up putting the bar directly on the ground. Also lots of cheap medals awarded to the Russian soldiers for their cheap blood.

                      But I'm trying to think of a new sadness joke. Something like "Money can't buy you Putin's love", but it needs to be about sanctions. Or something about Ukrainian blood being seen by Putin as less valuable than a free lunch. It's the rest of the world that seems to think the cheap lunch of freedom

                    • Also started speculating about soldiers from other countries taking a "fighting busman's holiday" in Ukraine to help out. But I may be projecting on the basis of an uncle who died that way... Fascists. Same as they ever were.

                      Well that sucks.

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by shanen ( 462549 )

                      Reference of your "that" is unclear, but if it's the uncle, he died before I was born, so I don't feel that bad about him.

                    • Sucky situation for him.

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by shanen ( 462549 )

                      He volunteered. And I think he was right to. A lot of lives could have been saved if enough people had agreed with him at the time. But they were willing to hope other people's blood could pay for their freedom. Shades of Ukraine?

                      But right now it looks like the old joke from my history department: "The only lesson from history is that no one learns any lessons from history."

        • What do you call their invasion of Ukraine if not a major defeat? Russian ego will not easily swallow getting kicked out of there and there is nobody else to take the blame for this embarrasment other than Putin. Sure, Russians support the invasion, but the critical factor there is that they expect victory, a real one, with parade in Kyiv. That is not happening and you'll find they are much less willing to support a defeat.

          • What do you call their invasion of Ukraine if not a major defeat?

            They haven't been defeated yet.

            the critical factor there is that they expect victory, a real one, with parade in Kyiv.

            I haven't met any Russians who expect that. If Putin holds the south-east border of Ukraine and stabilizes, he'll be able to call that victory. Especially since he'll control most of the Ukrainian oil by that point.

          • that's why the ONLY solution is to go after putin. yeah, kill him. take him out. any. way. possible.

            russia (as in putin) wont accept anything less than their view of victory. and we cant let them have any sign of that.

            therefore, he has to be taken out. then, russia can be reset. they dont want that, but they need it. world needs it.

            it has to happen.

            as long as he's alive, the world is in a state of instability.

            we've killed people for far, far, less.

          • What do you call their invasion of Ukraine if not a major defeat?

            It hasn't been a major defeat, not in the eyes of Russians. I think you're missing the point the parent(s) are making. Currently Russians believe they are winning, the propaganda machine is telling them so.

            My boss is Russian (not living there), her sister is in the Ukraine married to a Ukrainian, her father back in Russia genuinely believes that Putin is liberating the sister and her husband from evil and that Russians aren't hurting any civilians.

            In the eyes of Russia (what we're talking about here), the i

        • A) It's easy to find large numbers of people saying anything in a large country. That doesn't mean they reflect the overall feeling of the country. Enough of America supported Trump to get him elected, and it's easy to find pro-Trump messages on social media in large quantities, but that doesn't mean we can paint the entire country with a single brush.

          B) While many German citizens were complicit with the Nazi regime, they were subject to immense propaganda and misinformation. When the Allies swept through,

          • I don't know, but it's possible, and if it means that China is the sole remaining, world-class, totalitarian regime left on earth, the world will be a better place for it.

            Be careful what you wish for. There's a non-trivial chance Ramzan Kadyrov will end up as president of Russia, replacing Putin.

        • I've come to believe this, also; that the russian mind is quite odd and there is something not quite right about people from that region. sorry if that comes off too strong, but we're really seeing the true nature of what people are like, nation by nation.

          we're not going to convince the russians even if we could break thru the new curtain. BUT we are weakening them big-time and that's a really good thing. it will take them a long time to recover from this and its just getting started!

          the russians that I

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            It's the result of the propaganda they are subjected to constantly.

            • No it is not. Even back in the day without Internet we all knew we lived in a totalitarian prison.
              Some choose to ignore. Others pretended they support the regime because they got privileged. Military and police mostly.
              But we all knew the truth.

              The Russians are like that forwver. Ubermenshes who consider everyone else sub human. Although the worst degradation of their psychology happened after the mongols.

              If you were a bit more educated you'd know that every single great Russian has had nothing but terrible

        • https://twitter.com/navalny/st... [twitter.com]

          It seems that the propaganda makers don't need much to twist things their way...

      • I suspect that WHEN he eventually leaves, he'll declare victory and go home

        I have seen some speculation that he wants to wrap this up by Victory Day [wikipedia.org], May 9th, which is Russia's annual celebration of victory in WW2. He may concentrate on the pseudo-republics in the east. If he can hold their borders or hold enough territory to make it look like the western parts of those regions are a "mop-up", he could plausibly use his propaganda machine to maintain the lie and hold a big parade. State TV (now the only

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
        This might hapoen wuite soon tho, more and more if the oligarcs/potins cronies ar beeing put on the ban lust, and in about 24 days there us an 80%+ chance that Russia will default on part or all of the cupon payments on their bonds denominated in EUR And USD. Will this normally is complicated and emberasing fir any country, with the current sanctions it 's an even bigger mess fot tussua because the normal renegisiations triggered by a default can not go ahead with the sanctions in place. This oractically s

    • The end of Putin (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:05PM (#62422832) Homepage Journal

      Putin misjudged this whole thing massively. Where do we go from here? I don't foresee him saying "oops" and withdrawing Russia from Ukraine with its tail between its legs anytime soon. They were in Afghanistan for 10 years. (We were there for 20).

      It ends with the end of Putin. Seriously, no one can see a different endpoint for this.

      On a related note, if you consider the Russian invasion as three-ish offensives [criticalthreats.org] (Kiev, two in the East, and one in the South above Crimea), the Kiev offensive has been roundly defeated by the Ukranians. The Russian Kiev attackers have been badly beaten, have pulled back into Belarus for resupply/redeployment, and won't be available for use by the other offensives any time soon.

      From April 3rd:

      Ukraine has won the Battle of Kyiv. Russian forces are completing their withdrawal, but not in good order. Ukrainian forces are continuing to clear Kyiv Oblast of isolated Russian troops left behind in the retreat, which some Ukrainian officials describe as “lost orcs.”

      Ukraine is now "turning its attention" to the offensives in the East and South, and are inflicting heavy casualties on the various Russian troops in that arena.

      I found this announcement interesting:

      [...] an unconfirmed Ukrainian military intelligence report suggests that Moscow could soon send the 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 35th Combined Arms Army, a unit that reportedly committed war crimes in Bucha, into the fight in eastern Ukraine in the hopes that guilty members of that brigade and witnesses of its war crimes are killed in combat with Ukrainian forces.

      The chances of Ukraine actually beating Russia are been growing daily.

      • The chances of Ukraine actually beating Russia are been growing daily.

        I figure if they can hold on for two more weeks, the Ukrainians will win it.

        I say this based on how Ukrainian power is growing (with more and better weapons flowing from the west), and how Russian power is waning.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Kartu ( 1490911 )

      Had it go the way our liebe Deutsche Freunde expected (e.g. see what von Linden was saying), the war would be over within couple of days, no major sanctions would need to happen as there (again) would simply be "new reality".

      Oh, also, conveniently, Deutschland would even save 5000 helmets that they, after long debate, decided to send to Ukraine, as they only reached Ukrainians 12 days into invasion.

      Even today, Germany is the main reason why there is no full SWIFT ban on Ruzzia and the main reason Putler's r

      • naive, you think everyone in Europe should freeze to death so you can feel happy about how they're handling Russia.

        Grow up.

    • Putin misjudged this whole thing massively. Where do we go from here? I don't foresee him saying "oops" and withdrawing Russia from Ukraine with its tail between its legs anytime soon.

      The US and EU will give Ukraine more and more powerful weapons until Russia loses. It's not the ideal approach but if Ukraine can hold on for two more weeks, it will happen.

      • The west will provide weapons to support the Ukraine until every last Ukrainian is dead. In the mean time the US dollar will lose its reserve/trading currency status due to the sanctions and the theft of russias foreign reserves that the US has inposed. Europe will suffer from massive energy shortages resulting in economic contraction as they cant get enough energy from places other than Russia. Russia will move to selling oil and gas to india and china in their own currencies - bypassing USD because the

        • You're fantasizing. Meanwhile, back in the real world, Russia has two weeks to win the war, after that Ukraine will have enough heavy firepower to push them back.

    • Not if you are working as a engineer in the solar and renewables field. Oney has been streaming in for months now. Job securrity is up up up.

  • There's a lot going on we don't see here. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mmell ( 832646 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:13PM (#62422664)
    I suspect some number of the readership here are not aware of just how difficult it is to sever business operations in a country due to political considerations. Intel has to think hard about both intellectual and human assets in a nation the size of Russia; and it would be inappropriate at best for Intel to abandon its good faith commitments to its people, despite the horrific actions of the Russian Government and its military.

    I have no doubt Intel has quietly been removing everything they could (especially IP) from their Russian operations over the last month or so. Doing business in Russia just doesn't make sense right now, and I'm sure they didn't want to surrender any more than they had to. Sadly, human assets have to be abandoned (with their associated knowledge and abilities) to the will of their government and their own luck and skill.

    Intel's losing a lot of money over this. They certainly don't want to lose more than they have to. It only took them this long because they were cutting their losses.

    • we should give russia all those old leftover FDIV intel chips.

      tell them its a de-nazified microcode release. they'll love it.

      but any new chips - russia should not get a single new chip from now on. not from intel or amd.

      enjoy your pentium-1's, Ivan.

  • for small values of global
  • No more computers with intel chips (x86, x86-64) sold in russia?
    • I think not. A Chinese company can still build a computer with Intel inside and export.

      • I think not. A Chinese company can still build a computer with Intel inside and export.

        A small Chinese company perhaps. A large Chinese company will probably not want to attract the attention of the West lest they be embargoed as well.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Slayer ( 6656 )

        AFAIK Lenovo was among the first big manufacturers to end operations in Russia. They need their Intel CPUs more than they need their Russian customers.

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