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EU Greenhouse Gas Emissions Down 24% Since 1990 (apnews.com) 164

Greenhouse gas emissions in the European Union have been reduced by 24% compared to 1990 levels, according to the bloc's annual climate report, but the EU said Monday it still needs to intensify efforts to keep to its target of making Europe the first climate-neutral continent by mid-century. The Associated Press reports: The EU's executive arm said Monday that emissions in the 27-nation bloc have decreased by 3.7% in 2019 compared to the previous year, while gross domestic product rose 1.5% over the same period. Due to the coronavirus pandemic, the commission expects "an unprecedented fall in emissions" in 2020, along the lines of 8%. "However, as experienced in the past, a swift economic recovery may lead to a strong and rapid rebound in emissions, unless policy gears its stimulus measures toward the green transition," the commission wrote in the report.

In its report, the commission said emissions covered by the Emissions Trading System -- a cap-and-trade scheme for industries to buy carbon credits covering about 40% of the EU's greenhouse gas emissions -- saw the biggest drop in 2019, falling by 9.1%, or about 152 million tons carbon dioxide equivalent. [...] To accelerate the transition, the commission has also proposed that member states raise their climate ambitions above the existing target of a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030, proposing to cut greenhouse gas emissions by at least 55% compared to 1990 levels. Leaders discussed the offer last month but could not immediately agree on an updated goal as reducing emissions by another 30% within the next decade poses a big challenge to many EU countries. They will try to find a consensus during a December summit ahead of the adoption of the first-ever European climate law.

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EU Greenhouse Gas Emissions Down 24% Since 1990

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  • by uulbri ( 1573601 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:36AM (#60781332)

    ...outside of Europe.

    That's basically what happened with every polluting industry...
    Would be nice to include importations impact in global calculation of the greenhouse gas emission.

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:56AM (#60781360)

      Yeah we just externalised everything. I mean it's not like the EU imposed the strictest emissions controls on cars, most of its member nations madly worked to reduce coal use and embrace renewables, reduced energy consumption per household through introduction of standby electricity laws and new + retrofit building codes, introducing incentives to work from home, requiring new commercial buildings to be eco friendly.

      Nope. It's all "easy externalising" of costs.

      • Its not just renewables but using natural gas too.

        "This drop was driven mainly by the power sector, where emissions fell by almost 15%, primarily due to coal-fired electricity production being replaced by electricity production from renewables and gas"
        • Its not just renewables but using natural gas too.

          "This drop was driven mainly by the power sector, where emissions fell by almost 15%, primarily due to coal-fired electricity production being replaced by electricity production from renewables and gas"

          The topic of the article is "EU emissions down 24% since 1990". The quote you chose to make your point refers only to the 40% of EU greenhouse gas emissions regulated under the carbon credit system for the single year 2019. The full quote:

          In its report, the commission said emissions covered by the Emissions Trading System — a cap-and-trade scheme for industries to buy carbon credits covering about 40% of the EU’s greenhouse gas emissions — saw the biggest drop in 2019, falling by 9.1%, or about 152 million tonnes carbon dioxide equivalent.

          “This drop was driven mainly by the power sector, where emissions fell by almost 15%, primarily due to coal-fired electricity production being replaced by electricity production from renewables and gas,” the commission said.

          • by drnb ( 2434720 )

            The topic of the article is "EU emissions down 24% since 1990". The quote you chose to make your point refers only to the 40% of EU greenhouse gas emissions regulated under the carbon credit system for the single year 2019.

            The fact remains that renewables and natural gas have seen increased use in parallel with each other since 1990. Every year's reduction is part renewable and part natural gas.

            • yeah, and it sux.
              Utilities are going to fight killing off the new nat gas plants. That is why we need to push Small Nukes, combined with multiple forms of AE. Interestingly, multiple SMRs, like NuScale, combined with a thermal salt storage can replace the boiler part of the gas plant, which means utility does not have to lose billions. I even posted about this over 10 years on my dairy.
              As it is, you will notice that ALL developed and even some undeveloped nations that have low emissions, all have 2-3 of
              • by drnb ( 2434720 )

                yeah, and it sux. Utilities are going to fight killing off the new nat gas plants.

                You know what six worse? Being cold and sitting in the dark.

                That is why we need to push Small Nukes, combined with multiple forms of AE.

                When we have nukes to backup the renewable shut down the nat gas. No problem. However until then ...

                • Oh, I agree.
                  That is why we need geothermal and nukes ASAP. Just look at California. That is a great example of what happens when you do not make sure of generation.
                  What I find interesting is how many ppl object when I point out that we will NEED Nukes/geothermal when super volcanoes go and block the sun.
                  So many ppl here seem like they either do not care, or want America to fail when that happens. Probably the later.
        • Natural gas is just a marketing name for "fossil gas", it is only better than coal in that it produces less smog, it still produces the same amount of CO2 though.

          • by drnb ( 2434720 )

            Natural gas is just a marketing name for "fossil gas", it is only better than coal in that it produces less smog, it still produces the same amount of CO2 though.

            No it does not. It produces half the CO2 of coal. That is why it is credited, alongside renewables, for **reducing** CO2 emissions.

            • It is actually less than 1/2. Around 40-45% of the CO2. Coal will NEVER burn as clean as methane, esp. since it is loaded with so many other elements. And the 40-45/*% does not include cleaning up that pollution. So, in the end, it is over 2x, but closer to 2.5x.
          • It is not even CLOSE to producing the same CO2. It actually is less than 1/2 of what coal produces. The reason is the chemistry. Methane is CH4, while Coal is VERY LONG strands of (CH3)2-(CH2)x. Worse is when it cross connects and starts to form graphite, which is more CH1. In addition, methane is a cleaner burn than is coal. So BTU-BTU/Joule-Joule, CH4 is about 40% of the CO2 that coal produces.
      • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @04:53AM (#60781470)

        Why are you speading that bullshit? We didn't externalize everything. Our power plants and cars still are inside the union.

        Where do you get this crap? QAnon?

        • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

          by fazig ( 2909523 )
          It's called sarcasm.
          • To be fair, it's getting harder and harder to tell. The things people believe nowadays are so stupid that sarcasm is becoming almost impossible.

            • by fazig ( 2909523 )
              Poe's Law, sure.
              Though, it's not that difficult on Slashdot as you can check out the comment history of registered users to help you read between the lines.

              Yes, I know, that takes a little bit of effort. So it's not likely that the average user of today's Slashdot does it. But it can be done.
        • by zmooc ( 33175 )

          Well it's not entirely bullshit. It's just not the explanation for the CO2 emission drop (though a part of it may be).

          Europe has not "net" lost manufacturing industry. However, it has also not kept pace with the economy. The Chinese manufacturing industry is overtaking Europe left and right. Each month, more of what we buy comes from China.

          The same goes for heavy industries (most notably steel and cement, big polluters). Car plants were also in decline, but now that they rely less on automation, they're com

          • by cusco ( 717999 )

            Well, the US is doing the same thing but our emissions are not dropping nearly as fast. Good luck buying anything here today that's not made in China.

            • Actually, America's emissions ARE dropping as fast, in terms of % since 2007. And we are still beating most European nations in terms of decreasing (not UK; hats off to the UK).
        • Why are you speading that bullshit?

          Because it lets them off the hook. Look we can't possibly do anything, even the Europeans are cheating!

          • Is your sarcasm detector as broken as the parent's. Do I need to start talking to Slashdot like they are 5 years old or something?

        • I'm not sure if as a German (I think you're German anyway) the subtleties of English sarcasm escape you, but you're not replying to what you think you are.

          For future reference, watch out for the following when reading English:
          - Excessive agreeing with a point.
          - Phrases like "It's not like"
          - A long list of counter points all of which are true while pretending they aren't.
          - More excessive agreeing including putting the original point being mocked in quotation marks.

          It'll help you communicate a bit better.

        • They were meaning your imports from China, India, Brazil, etc.
      • Just like credit card debts, you should never try to only pay minimum payment. You'll be stuck in debt forever. The same goes with green tech. If you only increase effectiveness by 2-3% per year, and inflation increases consumer use by the same amount, there will be stagnation.

        But some countries do try to do more. Sweden has less than 10% of its electricity generated from CO2 neutral sources (counting nuclear as zero-emmision). Denmark does Private Public Partnerships with industry, to reuse heat from manuf

    • ...Would be nice to include importations impact in global calculation of the greenhouse gas emission.

      Yeah, that would be nice, especially since "exporting" the problem of pollution is akin to asking the cigarette smoker to move to the back of the plane.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Things like RoHS actually reduced pollution overseas and the carbon trading schemes in place count externalized manufacturing.

    • But it didn't though. Drax Power Station which was the largest coal power station in Europe is now running 2/3 capacity on biomass and 1/3 capacity on coal. Within 10 miles of it are two more coal power stations, Eggborough (which featured in the Hobbs and Shaw F&F film) and Ferrybridge. Eggborough was completely decommissioned a couple of years ago, Ferrybridge coal power plant was replaced by a biomass/waste incineration plant and they've already started demolishing the coal power station section.
    • Oh fuck that.
      Look, Europe imports things, HOWEVER, they are not on the ones that said that nations like CHina will build out 1.2 TW of coal, or continue adding another .5 TW until 2030. That was, and continues to be decided, by the Chinese government. Even now, the Chinese government is going back the new .5TW of coal over the next 9 years.
      Likewise, even in 'free' nations, it is governments all over the world that decide if businesses can pollute, etc. Businesses push that, but governments allow it. We s
  • You said continent. The border to Asia is somewhere behind Moscow. and right through Istanbul too. Just in case the Sirs and Madams Imperialists forgot.

    (And if you now imply I'm pro Putin, fuck you and your partisan mind cancer. I'm pro you! Unlike you, all too often.)

  • by Mickie Desman ( 3508259 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @04:54AM (#60781474)
    The reduction observed is attributable to a significant extent to the rapid de-industrialisation that happened in ex-USSR and satellite states, some of which are EU states now. Portraying economic collapse as achievement is an interesting tactic. But the general idea is one needs to clean one's economy, not destroy it.
    • by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite ( 721679 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:26AM (#60781716)

      The reduction observed is attributable to a significant extent to the rapid de-industrialisation that happened in ex-USSR and satellite states, some of which are EU states now. Portraying economic collapse as achievement is an interesting tactic. But the general idea is one needs to clean one's economy, not destroy it.

      There's nothing in the data that supports that or do you have a quote? As we're only talking EU member states, painting the former eastern block countries development from 1990 to now as "economic collapse" you have a lot of explaining to do given the rise in GDP and average income.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        All here: https://rt.unfccc.int/ [unfccc.int] What you are looking for is a variable called [Sectors/Totals][Total (without LULUCF)][Emissions][Aggregate GHGs][kt CO2 equivalent]. For all former Soviet bloc countries you will observe a severe (sometimes 2x and more) free fall in the 1990s, even before they have joined the EU, after which some of them have maintained their level of emissions and some grew/fell somewhat. So I am not saying that eastern EU countries are in economic collapse _now_, but they had been in the
        • All here: https://rt.unfccc.int/ [unfccc.int]
          What you are looking for is a variable called [Sectors/Totals][Total (without LULUCF)][Emissions][Aggregate GHGs][kt CO2 equivalent]. For all former Soviet bloc countries you will observe a severe (sometimes 2x and more) free fall in the 1990s, even before they have joined the EU, after which some of them have maintained their level of emissions and some grew/fell somewhat. So I am not saying that eastern EU countries are in economic collapse _now_, but they had been in the early 1990s which is documented through their emissions. 1990 is not a meaningful baseline to to look at for EU in 2020.

          Emissions 1990 until now is what's being discussed. No one is denying that Trabants and other eastern European products weren't attractive on an open market. I don't get what point you're trying to make if it relates to the article discussed?

          • by Entrope ( 68843 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:12AM (#60781870) Homepage

            The Paris Agreement was negotiated in 2015, which is when the EU decided on 1990 as a baseline. Why look back 25 years for the baseline for any reason except blatant cherry-picking?

            It's like saying the US is doing better than Europe because the US reduced emissions by 14% since 2005, which is a faster annual rate than Europe. That observation obscures the fact that 2005 was the peak year for US GHG emissions, so it's another form of cherry picking -- but arguably more defensible, because there were no major exogenous changes like the collapse of the Eastern Bloc to skew the numbers.

            • The Paris Agreement was negotiated in 2015, which is when the EU decided on 1990 as a baseline. Why look back 25 years for the baseline for any reason except blatant cherry-picking?

              The Paris agreement offers no baseline and has precisely zero to do with 1990, not as a target nor as a baseline. You're probably thinking of the Kyoto protocol of which "Europe" didn't set any baseline, individual nations did. Many chose 1990, but precisely those nations you are accusing of skewing numbers didn't choose that year.

              I'd ask you to take down your strawman, but don't bother. It's already fallen down, caught fire, and just contributed more waste to our greenhouse gas emissions.

  • First, you need to read the small print. For example, from the EU's own summary [europa.eu] of their report:

    "The most significant decline was in sectors covered by the EU Emissions Trading System (EU ETS), in particular power plants."

    In other words, as part of a global deal to reduce emissions, every region of the world has accepted emissions targets. Some nations - like African countries - are already well below their target level and thus have a "credit". So what they EU is really saying is that they are "off-l
    • First, you need to read the small print. For example, from the EU's own summary [europa.eu] of their report:

      "The most significant decline was in sectors covered by the EU Emissions Trading System (EU ETS), in particular power plants."

      In other words, as part of a global deal to reduce emissions, every region of the world has accepted emissions targets. Some nations - like African countries - are already well below their target level and thus have a "credit". So what they EU is really saying is that they are "off-loading" their excess pollution by buying "emissions credits" from developing nations...

      No, only the EU is included in the EU Emissions Trading System.

      • Wrong. The EU ETS can trade through the UN as well as existing bilateral cooperation with (per the EU ETS website)
        China.
        India.
        South Africa.
        Latin America and Caribbean.

        In 2019 China purchased something like 40% of the EU emissions since per the accords set they have no cap on emissions and everyone knows they wouldnâ(TM)t report them anyway. So basically, the Paris accords are just funding China at the expense of EU business and industry capital.

      • by ytene ( 4376651 )
        Sorry to challenge you on this, but the EU themselves [europa.eu] say otherwise.

        From the linked page: "They can also buy limited amounts of international credits from emission-saving projects around the world."
        • Sorry to challenge you on this, but the EU themselves [europa.eu] say otherwise.

          From the linked page: "They can also buy limited amounts of international credits from emission-saving projects around the world."

          Thanks! You're right. 2013-2020 (phase 3) international credits can be generated https://ec.europa.eu/clima/pol... [europa.eu] after 2020 it's supposed to be replaced, by what I can't exactly find but for "The Paris Agreement established a new market mechanism to replace the CDM and JI after 2020".

    • BS (Score:5, Interesting)

      by fred6666 ( 4718031 ) on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @10:44AM (#60782054)

      "The most significant decline was in sectors covered by the EU Emissions Trading System (EU ETS), in particular power plants."

      In other words, as part of a global deal to reduce emissions, every region of the world has accepted emissions targets. Some nations - like African countries - are already well below their target level and thus have a "credit". So what they EU is really saying is that they are "off-loading" their excess pollution by buying "emissions credits" from developing nations...

      Wrong. There is no non-European country in the EU ETS:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      They are just balancing the carbon emissions among European countries. If you can remove one ton for $30 in France, but only $20 in Spain, isn't it more effective to do it in Spain? That's the whole point of the trading scheme.

      This is not a cause for celebration.

      Yes it is. Except Europe, nobody is doing anything to reduce carbon emissions. Europe is the only success story we have. USA, Canada, Australia are all polluting much more per capita. Developing nations are not polluting as much as these dirty countries, but many are rising quite fast.

    • The people who live in the EU still have to breathe in the noxious gases every day.

      Cool rant, but the numbers you're quoting and the things being traded aren't even remotely noxious at the levels that are being breathed in even in inner city peak hour traffic in Poland.

      NOx, PM2.5, PM10, and Ozone however are noxious gasses which Europe concerns itself with, and surprise surprise there's no mechanism to trade any of that away.

  • Way to go (Score:2, Funny)

    by AndyKron ( 937105 )
    It will be nice when we get to the point where we can murder each other in a clean and wholesome environment
  • I think personal transportation reduced a great deal as a result of COVID. I wonder if this has measurable effect on total emissions.
  • Let's just say it: EU #1.
    While not a country, it's definitely the greatest, the most democratic and land of the truly free.

  • did it merely move to China?

Somebody ought to cross ball point pens with coat hangers so that the pens will multiply instead of disappear.

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