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Pioneer To Release TiVo/DVD Burner Combo 252

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TK-421 writes "According to an official Pioneer press release, 'Pioneer is revolutionizing home video recording with the introduction of the world's first DVD recorders featuring the TiVo service. These new recorders offer consumers the control provided by the easy-to-use TiVo service integrated with advanced DVD recording for the option of short-term storage on a hard drive or long-term archival of broadcast programming on DVD-R/RW discs.'" The options include both 80 and 120GB models, starting at a not-inexpensive $1199, and there's more information via a CNET News article.
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Pioneer To Release TiVo/DVD Burner Combo

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  • by SCiPS (672691) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @05:24AM (#6300943) Journal
    But more powerfull ... and older... The first is already known by a lot of people fujitsu-siemens Activy [fujitsu-siemens.com] and work under XP embbed.
    The second is less known and the site is not in english but it works really well. Dreambox [dreambox.li] and run under Linux !
  • Re:Macrovision? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Osty (16825) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @05:46AM (#6300986)

    Unlike videotape, DVD will not degrade over time when exposed to heat and humidity.

    But CDs and DVDs do degrade over time. Not in video quality, since that's all digital, but the storage medium itself has been known to rot (mostly CDs and laser discs, since DVDs really haven't been around long enough to see any noticeable deterioration). Sure, they last much longer than tape, and don't degrade with repeated viewings, but to say that they won't degrade at all is naive.


    Are there any good long-term storage solutions? I'm talking on the order of decades, not years. Paper's done a pretty good job so far, but even that degrades, and it's a little hard to store digital information in an easily retrievable format on paper.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 26, 2003 @05:49AM (#6300995)
    We have TiVo here in France.

    Bonjour!
  • by csteinle (68146) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:01AM (#6301018) Homepage
    - there are no tivo available in countries other than US and UK (canada ?).


    And since Thomson stopped making them a while back, there's no TiVos available in the UK, either (unless you want to trawl eBay and pay over the odds).
  • by samael (12612) <Andrew@Ducker.org.uk> on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:06AM (#6301028) Homepage
    I couldn't live without my Tivo.

    I tell it what shows I like and then I watch it whenever I like. I have no idea what days most shows are even on any more. I just sit down and see that there's a new Futurama or Scrubs or whatever. I don't have to program it with times/dates and I don't have to worry (mostly) about shows moving timeslots every week - the built in episode guide worries about all of that for me.
  • Re:Macrovision? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Espen (96293) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:07AM (#6301032)
    I wonder what they're doing about Macrovision with this feature. It would hardly be an improvement to copy a VHS casette to a DVD if there were messed up colours and wavy lines.

    I doubt they do anything about Macrovision at all. Macrovision is applied to 'copy-protect' pre-recorded material which I suspect Tivo/panasonic have no interest in disabling with this feature. So, you will be fine with things you have recorded on tape yourself, but Macrovision will probably kick in with pre-recorded material. If you find it annoying, you should have thought about that when you handed over your cash for the copy protected tape in the first place!
  • Radio limitations (Score:2, Informative)

    by yuri (22724) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:08AM (#6301037)
    I believe there are limitations on what stations can do. This probably includes things like not posting a playlist in advance.

    In australia I'm pretty sure it limits the number of songs from one artist (or is it album), you can play in a row. To stop people taping a whole album from radio etc.
  • by Dionysus (12737) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:26AM (#6301080) Homepage
    If it's the normal TIVO, it has 30sec forward. You just have to enable it.
  • by will_die (586523) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:33AM (#6301098) Homepage
    I would do it for two reason, provided I was just getting antenna reception.
    1) still has more room then a single tape in a VCR, and you can record and play at the same time.
    2) more record time slots, the best VCR I ever say could record 8 different times. Tivo is near unlimited.
    Granted I would not pay to activate the service, just would enough to set the time ever so often.
  • by Pedersen (46721) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @06:47AM (#6301125) Homepage
    You wanna burn to DVD? Here ya go:
    • MythTV [mythtv.org], also used to edit commercials out of the recording
    • MythMkMovie [icelus.org], used to make DivX files

    After that, burn to DVD to your heart's content. Oh, and MythMkMovie is getting ready for the 1.0 release finally (within the next two weeks it looks like).
  • by Mantrid (250133) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @07:09AM (#6301159) Journal
    No point in Canada last I looked - you just can't get the listings. Never seen a Tivo for sale here.

    Bell Expressvu (Satellite company), offers a receiver with an integrated PVR which works very well (it'll even allow you to tape PPV stuff), 30 hour HDD, 1 hour buffer....I've been happy with it, although I think Tivo's have more bells and whistles.
  • by The Wicked Priest (632846) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @07:24AM (#6301185)
    The standard Tivo (though not the unit talked about here) is a good value for the money. It would be hard or impossible to build a similar system for the same price. However, when you build your own system, you can go beyond what a Tivo can do. For example, HDTV -- I can pop an HDTV card in my computer and record; Tivo has no models with HDTV capability, though there may be one offered later this year. Plus, with a home-built, you can skip the monthly fee.

    I think the only truly unique capability in a Tivo is the ability to record a DirecTV signal without reencoding. But that only applies to the DirecTivo models, which can't record anything BUT DirecTV.
  • by bastion_xx (233612) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @07:27AM (#6301198)
    select - play - select - 3 - 0 - select

    30 second forward now enabled.
  • by Daemonic (575884) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @07:42AM (#6301243)
    Understatement by negating the contrary.

    It's not uncommon.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 26, 2003 @08:10AM (#6301378)
    You mean encoder like this [hauppauge.com] one ($149, includes TV tuner)?
  • Replay TV with a PC (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 26, 2003 @09:25AM (#6301840)
    I have a Replay TV 5040 and a PC with DVArchive software and a DVD+R/RW drive. The DVArchive software transfers the mpg files off the RTV every night and stores them on the PC. I can then edit the file with any mpg editing tool and burn to a DVD.

    -Jase
  • by jstockdale (258118) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @10:19AM (#6302398) Homepage Journal
    Comment, Mod, ARRGGH its so hard! :P but I'll bite ...

    The recording of broadcast material (read news/live/tv/movies) by the home/consumer market is explicitly permitted* by the Sony v. Universal ruling [464 US 417 (1984)]. Therefore the MPAA doesn't have a foot to stand on if they attack PVR's which carry features qualitatively equivalent to that available on the VHS platform.

    The issue with PVR's which go a step further to redistribute content to other users on the network is that in redistributing the content in a non-physical form to persons with whom you have loose if any affiliations opens up the end user for copyright infringement proceedings. Burning a DVD and redistributing the content doesn't carry the same issues or implecations as such use is effectively legalized by the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 and Sony v. Universal as this is seen as private non-commercial redistribution (such as sharing an Audio Tape or CD among friends).

    Again, regarding adding features such as commercial skipping and burning commercial skipped shows to dvd (as the parent post requested), I highly doubt the addition of these features due to the chance, and high incentive, of advertisers then challenging whether or not the device is covered by Sony v. Universal or the AHRA of 1992. No longer is the device merely time-shifting or media-shifting the content, it is altering the content which is not explicitly covered (As far as I know).

    * Note: Ok technically an action is not permitted or legalized by a court ruling, but such wording prevented me from saying: as is established as precedent by the case ...
  • by Foosinho (87829) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @11:27AM (#6303083) Homepage
    The "select-play-select-3-0-select" macro "permanently" (until a reboot or you use the macro to change the time again) changes the "skip to tick" button on the remote to a 30sec skip button.

    You do it once, and forget about it until after a power outage.
  • by backdoorstudent (663553) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @12:31PM (#6303750)
    Toshiba will also release a similar recorder for $599 as well as a player/tivo device for only $299. http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/news/newsarticle.asp?n ewsid=107
  • by Blimey85 (609949) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @12:43PM (#6303861)
    RTFA!

    Both the DVR-57H and the DVR-810H offer consumers the TiVo Basic(TM) service with no monthly fee upfront. Consumers will get DVR functionality such as; pausing live TV, recording from the program guide, manual repeat recording by time and date and three days of program guide data. Consumers can upgrade their TiVo service at any time, to include features such as a fourteen-day program guide, Season Pass(TM), WishList(TM) and Search by Title.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 26, 2003 @01:12PM (#6304130)
    You could get XM Radio [xmradio.com] and an XMPCR [xmradio.com]. The software included (for Windows) allows you to switch stations automatically in the event that your favorite artist/song is playing on a different channel. It's probably trivial to write some software for Linux, in fact it seems that someone's already done so [sourceforge.net].

    Recording sound from your line in is left as an exercise for the reader.
  • by Yokito (597197) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @01:49PM (#6304492)
    That one can not burn DVD's.
  • by MegaZone (684924) on Thursday June 26, 2003 @07:31PM (#6307377) Homepage Journal
    Which significantly increases the cost of the unit, and increases the loss when your Tivo becomes obsolete Lifetime is $299, monthly is $12.95 - I know it is oversimplifying, but keep it for a couple of years and you're ahead. I've purchased lifetime on all three TiVos I've owned (I have 2 Series2 now, I sold my old Series1). And when I sold my Series1, which I'd also upgraded to 240GB and TurboNet, I got over $600 for it - which is almost the amount of money I sank into it *and* I had it for a year. (I bought it used myself). That's not true. You can get a USB NIC and stream your Tivo videos to your computer using special software designed for it. Bzzt. Incorrect. There is no extraction software for the Series2 at this time. The Series1 can be hacked with additional software and a TurboNet card to pull the streams into a PC. You can grab streams from an RTV using software like DVArchive and QVision - because RTV does jackshit to protect the stream when sharing. Sharing between TiVo's is encrypted and authenticated by digital certificates - they call it TiVo Guard. As for the cost. Yes, they've already said RW is supported. And 'a few' is a LARGE number with decent RW discs. I'm more than technically savvy enough to build a more capable solution - but I'll probably buy one of these, even if you can only dump the show as-is to DVD. I've been doing that with VHS since I got the TiVo, I never bother to edit out commercials - too tedious to bother with, I just don't care. I wish the pricing was better, but I'm sure street will be lower than MSRP - and I'll wait a little bit for pricing to come down.

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