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Does your cellphone have Carrier IQ's spyware?

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Does your cellphone have Carrier IQ's spyware?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05, 2011 @08:22AM (#38264348)

    How do I tell?
    I have an iPhone 4 and a Samsung Galaxy mini, but no app named Carrier IQ visible.

    [Captcha: hardly]

  • by Jack Malmostoso (899729) on Monday December 05, 2011 @08:25AM (#38264370)

    Not on my Nokia N9. I hope the Maemo community does not allow that stuff EVER.

  • I have a Nokia 3720. I assume it can not run CarrierIQ. If it could: I bought it from a 3rd party supplier since my provider didn't have a ruggedised phone. I'd hazard a guess the 3rd party didn't install it. My upgrade is going to be a Motorolla Defy + (from a 3rd party supplier aswell).
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Arcady13 (656165)
      Does the third party supplier add the extra L to Motorola? I would be suspicious... :-P
    • by j_sp_r (656354)

      Defy+ is a nice phone, just got one! Drowned it in a beer, put it in the dishes, shot movies at a pool, and dropped it a few times, not a scratch.

    • by HazE_nMe (793041)
      Nokia came out stating that they do not install CIQ on any of their phones.
  • by galego (110613) <> on Monday December 05, 2011 @09:07AM (#38264550)

    I don't have a cellphone you insensitive clod!

    • by antdude (79039)

      Ditto here too due to my speech and hearing impediments. It's Internet for me. ;)

      • by Per Wigren (5315) on Monday December 05, 2011 @11:23AM (#38266046) Homepage
        What do cellphones and speech have to do with each other? :)
        • by antdude (79039)

          Because cellphones requires you to hear and talk. Smartphones don't since they have other features like Internet.

          • by M8e (1008767)

            Because cellphones requires you to hear and talk.

            No they don't. Just use it to send/receive text messages and set it on vibrate. There is also some dumbphones(no touchscreen, no apps etc) that can do video calls.

            and smartphone = smart cellphone.

            • by antdude (79039)

              Oh, Video calls would be useless for me since I don't do sign languages (four fingers and no thumbs too). I do a lot online communicatons on the computers and Internet. I can do texting on my computers too like e-mails, IMs, IRC, etc.

            • by segin (883667)
              Yes, but those dumbphones cannot do video telephony in the United States, as no UMTS carrier here has deployed 3G-324M [], the standard for video telephony. For those that don't know, 3G-324M is the 3GPP standard that enables video calls in Europe. It has roughly 48kbit/s for video and the rest is left to audio, for a 64kbit/s channel in each direction. Perfect for carrying over ISDN in Europe, but robbed-bit signalling in US T-carriers makes it impractical without sacrificing 8kbit/s.
    • by AntEater (16627)

      Same here. I like being disconnected - it lowers the expectations of others.

    • I don't have a cellphone you insensitive clod!

      The very last poll option was put there just for you.

  • by PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) on Monday December 05, 2011 @09:40AM (#38264760)

    . . . or . . . my carrier . . . or the NSA . . .

    Although, both Carrier IQ AND the carriers seem to be implying now that they both knew nothing about the spying.

    "Who!? Us!? Illegal tapping?! Storing keystrokes!? Never!"

    Everyone one of them was involved, but none of them wants to be responsible for it . . .

  • Nexus One (Score:4, Interesting)

    by penguinchris (1020961) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [sirhcniugnep]> on Monday December 05, 2011 @09:44AM (#38264788) Homepage

    I believe Google confirmed that none of the Nexus series phones had, or will have, such software.

    In any case, I have a custom ROM on my N1 - I guess you might say nuking it from orbit is the only way to be sure.

    • Re:Nexus One (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) on Monday December 05, 2011 @03:07PM (#38269468)

      I believe Google confirmed that none of the Nexus series phones had, or will have, such software.

      Oh, well, if Google says you're not being spied on, then you must be OK.

      • by hedwards (940851)

        Indeed, they're actually pretty above board about it when they are spying. Apart from that accidental WiFi data collection they're generally up front about it and have a relevant ToS that indicates what's being used.

        Personally, I'd be more concerned with the Carriers and 3rd party apps.

  • I don't know, is the honest answer. People have found the binaries in iOS5, but Apple have stated they don't support it under that version. So honestly? No idea.

    An interesting chat about the whole thing can be found on The Register [].

    • by dingen (958134)
      Same here. I have an iPhone 3GS with iOS 5 on it at the moment. It used to run iOS4 and before that iOS3. I have no idea which versions did what.
  • nope, my Audiovox 8615 does not have it, it does not even have a camera, you know, it's a phone!
  • T-Mobile HTC G2 (Score:4, Informative)

    by Joao (155665) on Monday December 05, 2011 @10:26AM (#38265316) Homepage

    A lot of T-Mobile phones have it, and so does a lot of HTC ones as well. But the G2 somehow doesn't.

  • God I hope not.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by realsilly (186931) on Monday December 05, 2011 @10:27AM (#38265336)

    I'm pretty tired of learning how businesses are getting away with tracking and capturing information about me that should have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

    I've purchased my phone. I've paid for my contract. There is no need for a company to cry poor when I'm paying for my services. If they were giving it away for free, then I get what I pay for.

    This is getting ridiculous. I'd love to know if the CEOs and upper management of these phone companies have the spyware disabled on the phones they create to protect their privacy, but have no problems spying on me.

  • Removed it. Thanks Samsung Epic 4G community, especially K0nane.
  • by wolrahnaes (632574) <> on Monday December 05, 2011 @11:04AM (#38265830) Homepage Journal

    Mine used to have it there when it was running the default Sprint and HTC approved software, but it's been exclusively AOSP via CyanogenMod for over a year now.

  • Howto: remove ciq (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05, 2011 @11:10AM (#38265892)

    ...not anymore on my Galaxy Tab 7"

    root access
    busybox installed

    Here's how I did it

    open shell
    # become root user
    su -
    mount -o remount,rw -t rfs /dev/block/stl9 /system
    rm /system/bin/iqmsd
    rm /system/lib/
    rm /system/lib/
    mount -o remount,ro -t rfs /dev/block/stl9 /system
    # leave root shell
    # leave shell

    • rm /system/bin/iqmsd
      rm /system/lib/
      rm /system/lib/

      In a non-root terminal, I don't see any of those files. Does that mean my phone does NOT have Carrier IQ? (Droid A855)

      Of course, Verizon has pushed 2 updates since this story broke, so I wonder if it's been removed to cover their tracks.

  • No.
    1) Because I'm in the UK, and even the stock carrier android roms don't have it (I did check on my rooted stock gingerbread rom)
    2) Because I'm now running ICS on my galaxy S

  • I don't own a cell phone and have no desire for one. At home I use DSL, so it uses the same line for Internet and phone so I can't really pull the plug - naked DSL is nearly the same as going ahead and keeping my land line too. I see my son with $100 cell phone bills every month and think that is $1200 a year I can spend on other things than adding to the monopolistic companies bottom line.
  • Stop the madness (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Bucc5062 (856482) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {2605ccub}> on Monday December 05, 2011 @12:31PM (#38267062)

    No, Its too old, too stupid, too reliable for something as disgusting as that piece of tripe (Samsung Gravity). I use to think programmers had some level of morals and ethics. Today we find that people are legitimately paid to help abuse our civil liberties.

    I accept that these types of programs may exist, but it would be nice that I have a choice other then "Don't buy a smart phone" to avoid getting it put in my face. perhaps an Opt In option required by providers instead of hidden collection programs or complex opt out switches. I am not paranoid, but this is just getting out of hand.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I use to think programmers had some level of morals and ethics.

      Why would programmers be different from other professionals? If the pay is good enough, someone is going to do it.

      Think of this: if you don't take the money some asshole is going to take it. So why should you, a good enough guy, pass this opportunity and let the asshole take all the money? Surely you're going to put the money to better use than that bastard would, you even donate to charity once a year. People should be thankful you took the job, if someone is going to do it it might as well be you.
      See, wit

  • by syncrotic (828809) on Monday December 05, 2011 @12:32PM (#38267076)

    This is what happens when stupid consumers let carriers control the market for phones by insisting that $500 is too much to pay upfront, opting instead to sign on for three-year $3000 contracts. But the phone is free, right?

    Carriers should be dumb pipes, selling an interchangeable and undifferentiated service, viciously competing against each other on the price of data and the quality of service. This is the future they desperately fear, so instead they try to market the phones as if they themselves had anything at all to do with the services you can access or the software that Google wrote. They give their phones idiotic carrier-specific names like the the Incredible, the Enlighten, or the Illusion, trying to cultivate their own little brands.

    Innovation happens at HTC, Google, Samsung, LG, etc. Carriers have exactly nothing to do with it, and need to be put into their proper places as vendors of connectivity. The next time you buy a phone, buy unlocked. Don't be afraid to pay a little more up-front: beating a small discount out of the sales droid will more than make up for it, and you'll get a phone that hasn't been fucked with.

    You wouldn't buy a laptop from your ISP; why the hell would you buy your handheld computer from one?

    • by martas (1439879)

      You wouldn't buy a laptop from your ISP;

      I almost pissed myself on this, since some wireless providers are trying to get into this business.

    • by antdude (79039)

      Some people are willing to buy them for cheap to sacrifice privacy. :(

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Ideally, we should reach a point where I don't have a plan with a single carrier. My phone, when it wants to send some data, should poll each of the networks with coverage in my area, asking how much they'd charge to transfer packets with a certain minimum service level, and pick the lowest bidder. That's competition on millisecond timescales, instead of the multi-year timescales between locked-in contracts.

    • by downhole (831621)

      I tried that, but it's a sucker's deal. None of the carriers that I know of will charge you any less when you bring your own device, so you're paying the same monthly fees as if you bought a subsidized device. The only difference is that you're paying several hundred dollars more for the device. Who's stupid then?

      • by oji-sama (1151023)

        That you have to pay ridiculous monthly fees whether or not you get a phone along is indeed stupid. I wonder why you call the phone you get from the carriers (in States) 'subsidized' when your ridiculous monthly fees clearly indicate otherwise.

  • No (Score:5, Funny)

    by PPH (736903) on Monday December 05, 2011 @12:49PM (#38267298)

    It does not.

    - Sent from my iPhone (They made me say no.)

  • I have yet to buy a cell phone.

    Is there a way I can avoid getting one with Carrier IQ?

    Is there an open source alternative for the software that runs a smart phone that will safeguard a person from intrusive software AND allow them to use all the features of the smart phone?

    • For currently in-production devices, your only option is a rootable Android phone with a custom ROM.

      • What does "rootable" mean. Is a custom "ROM" a hard drive you can take out and put it on your own?

        • "rootable" means the bootloader is unlocked so that you can freely reflash the firmware. The custom ROM is just a binary file that contains the operating system which you flash onto the device, the most popular one being Cyanogenmod.

          • Could recommend a specific phone that would have these features? I plan on shopping around for a pay as you go service. Do most services know/care if you have a customized setup?

            • No services will need to know if you have a customized setup, and they won't care as long as they don't catch you tethering. You might want to look at the Motorola Droid RAZR or Droid 4, but I don't follow Android hardware news too much and there are many other choices out there.

    • by mlts (1038732) *

      Probably your best bet would be to check the CyanogenMod list, buy one on that list, root, S/OFF if needed and re-ROM. I would probably go for a Nexus series if the cellular carrier isn't an issue.

      It isn't as open source as Maemo/Meego, but it gives you lots of options, user settable permissions, and no CIQ.

  • How do we know there isn't intrusive software being installed on those now, too?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by John Hasler (414242)

      How do we know there isn't intrusive software being installed on those now, too?

      Of course it is: they all come with Microsoft Windows installed.

  • I have rooted my N1 long ago. Have been running CyanogenMod since CM6. No spyware on this phone.

  • I have a Verizon Droid, and Verizon has claimed repeatedly not to use CarrierIQ. I even specifically asked the salesperson when I went in yesterday (although she didn't even know what it was, so it didn't help).

    However, I don't trust them, and will be rooting and checking for myself as soon as I find time. I was planning to anyways, to clear out the bloatware (nothing too serious - just a few apps that can't be uninstalled, like Facebook and Amazon).

  • 2002

    it's JUST A PHONE.. but i love it. i have absolutely no need or desire for a "smart" phone.

    • I hear ya. Mine's a cheapie model from 2007. I called the carrier (Telus) and asked them to disable the Internet features on it. They said sure, they could set up a parental access whatsit to keep my kid from using it in school. I said no, I want it disabled all the time and it was my phone, not my kid's. They said they could but then my kid would never have Internet on his phone. So I asked them where they got the idea I had a kid and they said that it was because I was phoning to disable it, which means I
  • For examples: Palm Treo, Motorola Razr, etc.

  • I gave it up. I realized that for the most part my life was better before I had a cell phone. So I got rid of the thing. Occasionally I miss it, far more often I am reminded of how great it is not to be constantly plugged into everything meaningless in life. Most of the people who ever lived, never had one.
  • I don't know why it is the case, but all the big carriers in Canada do not have Carrier IQ installed. I cannot imagine that it's out of concern for the privacy of their clients. There must be some law hiding somewhere preventing it. Something like PIPA or other provincial equivalents?

    Rogers (Also Fido, owned by Rogers along with Chatr), Telus (Koodo, Clearnet), Bell (Virgin, Solo), and Videotron do not have CIQ installed on any phones. This covers about 95% of Canadians.

  • before anyone else.
  • Lil' old KRZR's can't get things like spyware. I can't even get the camera to work anymore! =)

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