UC Berkeley Posts Full Lectures to YouTube

mytrip writes to tell us that Berkeley is now using YouTube as an important teaching tool. Today marks the first time a university has made full course lecture available via the popular video sharing site. Featuring over 300 hours of videotaped courses initially, officials hope to continue to expand this program.

Awesome!

By watching these, it will have the same effect on me as getting UC Berkeley degree!

(Except for the job offers and stuff.)

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I'm surprised the internet hasn't made us reexamine the entire nature of our higher education system. Is congregating people in one spot for four years to learn something really the best way to do it? Of course there are physical things that you need access to for a lot of classes, but we could be looking at a future where education is a lot more accessible, transparent, and open. If you could sit in on lectures and classes just because they interest you, there may be a lot more people learning things and getting exposed to knowledge they otherwise wouldn't have. You're right that there would need to be some way to certify and verify things, and that's really the main strength of the current system. I can't help but thinking there's got to be a better way. But we're definitely not there yet, and old institutions die hard. In some ways we're actually moving away from this ideal, college is getting more and more expensive and the State is helping out less and less.

Whenever you make education more widely available you improve all aspects of society, so it's in everyone's interest to be able to do something like this. Is progress being held back simply because of technological hurdles or is there elitism and old-thinking that's keeping the system from evolving?

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I'm all for making this kind of material publicly accessible. If someobdy wants to watch these lectures, it's great that they'll be able to do that from the comfort of anywhere there's a computer and network connection.

As a Berkeley grad though, I generally wouldn't attribute very much of the value of my education there to lectures I sat (or slept) through. Especially in Computer Science, most of the lectures probably didn't differ a whole lot in content or form from those taught at other less prestigious institutions. Most of what I learned came from being surrounded by other driven students in a unique environment and completing challenging assignments. In particular, the first of those is all but impossible to capture in an online manner.

The Berkeley Advantage

As a Berkeley grad though, I generally wouldn't attribute very much of the value of my education there to lectures I sat (or slept) through. Especially in Computer Science, most of the lectures probably didn't differ a whole lot in content or form from those taught at other less prestigious institutions. Most of what I learned came from being surrounded by other driven students in a unique environment and completing challenging assignments. In particular, the first of those is all but impossible to capture in an online manner.

Blah blah blah, all code for: "You can't take LSD over the Internet."

;)

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I generally wouldn't attribute very much of the value of my education there to lectures I sat (or slept) through

You obviously never took Chem 1A with Professor Pines. The man blew something up or set something on fire during every lecture (on purpose). I

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You obviously never took Chem 1A with Professor Pines. The man blew something up or set something on fire during every lecture (on purpose). If I hadn't already known I wanted to be a structural engineer, he'd have convinced me to major in chemistry. A bri

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It will may surprise lots of nerds (stupid ones anyway) that most people don't WANT to sit at a computer all day for years and years. Yes, people want to get together in a physical location to live and learn, is that really so hard to understand? I sure

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That's a really narrow view on your part. There are a lot of people who would love to get an education. But they can't afford it. Or they can't fit it into a schedule because they need to work strange hours to feed thier kids. Or they live somewhere wh

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I'm sorry, but I really don't see how anyone is going to learn something from a non-interactive lecture on the internet that they couldn't learn from a book in a library.

Anything that can be said in a lecture can be written in a book. Anything that can be drawn on the board or presented on an overhead projector can be presented in a book.

Education doesn't come from sitting for lectures. At best the lectures provide the very most basic information to start the learning process. The real learning happens from interaction, assignments, and studying for tests. The value of a university isn't the lectures, it's the resources available to someone when they don't understand something they're studying. Whether that's classmates learning the same things at the same time, or expert professors and grad students (TAs) available through recitations or office hours, it's not recorded lectures and textbooks.

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I'm sorry, but I really don't see how anyone is going to learn something from a non-interactive lecture on the internet that they couldn't learn from a book in a library....The value of a university isn't the lectures, it's the resources available to someone when they don't understand something they're studying.

First, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests different people learn better with different approaches. [vaknlp.com] Not all people learn well from reading the written word. Hearing it or seeing it will provide a great benefit for speed, retention, and comprehension for many people. Just because you do well with books does not mean everyone does.

Second, a book is no more interactive than the lecture series will be. The lecture series + book is a much better combination.

Third, with the internet you will soon have blogs or interactive discussion boards around these lectures. It's just the way the internet tend to be. So it will become interactive to a lessor or greater extent. Even if you miss most of the interactive action, if the discussions are retained it is likely the bulk of your questions that arose will be answered, making it far superior to reading a book in isolation. At minimum you'll get the added benefit of a FAQ, and if you're lucky you'll have an active forum and possibly even the ability to communicate with an authority.

Fourth, this is just the start. Soon these educational videos will include dynamic information. You can't show a heart pumping in a book. You can't show a sterling engine in operation in a book. It's static. With video you can show, well, video. These lectures won't stay just being a video of some professor. Eventually someone will start putting out educational video that is much richer in content and leverages what you can do with video. There are tons of things you can do with video that you can't do with a printed page.

Fifth, thanks to the feedback loops of the internet and network effects, the best videos will be found, rated highly, and rise to the top. So the best sources of information will soon be easy to find.

The current crop of videos aren't all that important. It's what they probably portend for the future that is important. Fully dynamic, multiple approach (written, visual, auditory), interactive, free, at will education.

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I'm sorry, but I really don't see how anyone is going to learn something from a non-interactive lecture on the internet that they couldn't learn from a book in a library.

I'm an auditory learner. I do much better by sitting in a lecture (even when I'm not

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These will serve multiple purposes, the most common one likely being a bunch of kids sitting around a table working on homework late at night and they get to a problem or analysis and one asks, "What did the prof say about this?", they bop online, fast-forward through the lecture, and listen again to the professor's wise words.

If you miss a class, you can view the lecture online.

Attending a centralized campus doesn't work for everyone, and online lectures are a good thing for full-timers. But I wouldn't TRADE one for the other -- attending college is like being hand-held into the real world in terms of responsibility (doing your own laundry), being social (interacting with peers), and building relationships (both friendly and business).

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Is congregating people in one spot for four years to learn something really the best way to do it?

Yes. If by "learn something" you mean "get a college education", that is; if you mean "learn some specific, limited, subject" then no.

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Have you not heard of the Open University that is run by the BBC? [open.ac.uk]. You an cregister for the course, get the course materials sent to you by post, and the lectures would be broadcast on TV at the odd hours that no-one else would be watching. In those days, the main channels only started at 9.00am for school programming, and closed down at 12.00pm . Between those hours , Open University lectures would be broadcast, and repeated on the weekends. That allowed people to work their day jobs and study part-time, even more so if they had VCR.

But now, the matierals are easier to distribute. From their website:

The course materials

We use a variety of media to help you learn. Your course may use any of the following different media that you will use from home (or wherever you choose to study):

        * printed course materials,
        * set books,
        * audio cassettes,
        * video cassettes,
        * TV programmes,
        * cd-rom/software,
        * web site,
        * home experiment kit.


When Saturday morning kid's TV was boring, you could just change channels and watch presentation on mobius strips, fitting cubes into spheres, coastal erosion, the dangers of matching the harmonics of airplane engines/wings, bridges and wind speed, lasers and travel at relativistic light speeds.

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When Saturday morning kid's TV was boring, you could just change channels and watch presentation on mobius strips, fitting cubes into spheres, coastal erosion, the dangers of matching the harmonics of airplane engines/wings, bridges and wind speed, lasers and travel at relativistic light speeds

I think you know you're a geek when, as a child, you get up early on Saturday mornings and quickly get bored with cartoons and start watching whatever the OU are showing.

Yes, I did it too.

How long will that be free?

You would think that YouTube would balk at being the distributor for a university. Will they try and make money with this?

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You would think that YouTube would balk at being the distributor for a university.

Why? They don't mind being the distributor for thousands of independent creators... nor do they mind being the distributor for the numerous "web TV shows" that have officia

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This is the internet- as soon as you post it anywhere you no longer have control. Hell, I still have lecture notes from every ECE class at UIUC that was posted on the school intranet before they started password protecting classes to "control their IP".

Good for them

Free sharing of knowledge will only help create more and better engineers and scientists. MIT does something similar as well- at least outlines, and sometimes full lecture notes and videos are available at http://ocw.mit.edu/ [mit.edu] for almost all their courses.

Re:Good for them

Actually, that's what universities are about. Or were, rather. Free flow of information and research based on the findings of those before you. Standing on the shoulders of giants and such.

Today, few universities can really afford sharing and distributing their research. It usually belongs to someone else.

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Yes, good point. I've used the MIT course syllabi for for teaching myself a few topics needed for programming, and they have, on occasion, been very helpful. Harvard streams all its lectures so we could watch them in our dorm rooms, but they were not released outside of the firewall.

Much as I would like to think that releasing video lectures will make people tune in on their Saturday night and become wonderfully educated citizens, I think this will be an evolutionary tool for a (relatively) niche market. Keep in mind that a vast repository of knowledge is already locally available for free for modest effort at your local library, in book and video forms, and look how masses of people are beating down doors to get in there.

Nevertheless, I do feel the possibilities are large, and a few immediate points come to mind:

- A complete (spoken) language course on Youtube / web for free would be very valuable. I could easily imagine sitting down for many hours watching a series of these and emerging with conversational language. This would be very useful prior to a planned trip so you could hit the ground running.

- Courses are very good at integrating study tools for a topic. If you try to learn calculus by picking up a book, you can probably do it. However more complex / scattered topics (Renaissance painting in Italy, Advanced concepts in cryptography, etc.) are very easily done using lectures plus book supplementation to guide one so you don't get lost / swamped in the topic.

Personally, I can't wait for video lectures to become freely available. I watched Andrew Morton at Google [google.com] on Google Video as part of the speaker series, and found it quite interesting. However, I'm a geek, and you probably are too.

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Keep in mind that a vast repository of knowledge is already locally available for free for modest effort at your local library

Have you been to a public library recently? The largest in my state doesn't even have any journal subscriptions. I know the qu

spoken language course

- A complete (spoken) language course on Youtube / web for free would be very valuable. I could easily imagine sitting down for many hours watching a series of these and emerging with conversational language.

One way to pick up French or Span

videotaped intercourses

Over 300 hours of videotaped intercourses?
Did they mean Porntube, isn't it?

Wardrobe!

This is really great of them (even the podcasts they used to have were terrific) but they really need to get a fashion consultant to work on some of those professors...

Clicking around randomly, I had to laugh at the attendance [youtube.com] for Chemistry 3B, lecture 21. Yeah, that's about par for the course for Orgo that late in the term.

Has anyone here actually tried

educating themselves with all this online courseware stuff? Seems to me like most people would still need the oversight of having papers due, the classrooms discussions, and the 1-on-1 talks with professors to get the most out of a subject. But I could be wrong.

Re:Has anyone here actually tried

I have. In the end, you have to buy the course books- the lecture notes just aren't detailed enough. They're an aid more than a main source, and they were written with that purpose in mind. Other than that, its no more difficult than any other way of learning from books. The ability to talk to fellow students and figure stuff out is missed (although replacable with web forums as underused as that idea is), but definitely doable. As for talking with professors- I don't think I ever did that in my undergrad, so for me its not missed.

I'm reading the course book for MIT's signal analysis course now. I'm actually understanding the concept of Fourier transforms better now than I did in college with a professor teaching it- the book actually explains the math, something my prof never did.

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We had a really good workbook of all things when we did Fourier in my controls class. Going back to third grade on it did well for my comprehension.

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I can see that. My aha moment was when the book introduced the transform in terms of Fourier series (which I can't prove, but understand) and showed step by step how X(jw) was a curve on which all a_k were related, and that as w got smaller, a_k became mo

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educating themselves with all this online courseware stuff? Seems to me like most people would still need the oversight of having papers due, the classrooms discussions, and the 1-on-1 talks with professors to get the most out of a subject.

I agree... and

Depends

Seems to me like most people would still need the oversight of having papers due, the classrooms discussions, and the 1-on-1 talks with professors to get the most out of a subject.

For a course that I have to take - yes. For something that I'm really interested in - No.

I wish I can remember the term, but there's this style of teaching/learning that's called something like Discovery Learning - I think. Anyway, here's an example of how it works and this is how I learn(ed) computer science (I'm 42 and always learning) in a nutshell:

I see something, an algorithm, a piece of code in a language I've never seen before, whatever. I then say to myself, "WTF is that! I have to find out!" I then Google for it and start reading up on it. When I was a kid and learning how to program graphics, I started teaching myself geometry and trigonometry so I could eventually get the Apple II to draw graphics. The information has stuck with me until this day. Now, the grammar that I had to learn hasn't - as if you couldn't tell.

I really think if our education system got away from the rote learning and drills and allowed kids to learn and have fun at it - it can be fun when you are personally discovering something - our education would greatly improve.

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It won't supersede "classical style" education, but it can broaden the horizon of students (and lecturers/professors).

Now, I have the opportunity to (kind of) attend a talk of Sergey Brin (as in TFA) irrespective time and place. I mean, I could even poin

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this is why there is no real threat for a university to do this... this is only part of a proper education.

I'll be taking...

Sleeping Kittens 101
Girls Fighting Girls 273: Advanced Techniques
I Love Turtles Symposium

The future looks bright!

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You forgot: "Advanced particle physics 3B, lecture 21: Will it Blend?"

Hey! What do you think you're doing?

The internet wasn't created to distribute information, dammit!

awesome idea

i'd love to see a lecture or 2 on a subject i'm curious about. I'm out of college but watching a lecture on psychology or history or whatever strikes my interest would be great.

Also positive for good lecturers...

...since this will allow students to evaluate their lecturing style in addition to the other aspects that they consider when choosing a course. Personally I would have taken a harder calculus class if could have had another better lecturer. And conversely there are a few non-core courses that I would have dropped if I'd seen the way they were taught.

And hopefully in the end it will lead to a somewhat higher standard in lectures all over in the long run even if there are some that will never change.

Last gasp before the masses realize...

Berkeley is now using YouTube as an important teaching tool.

I wonder if this is the last gasp before the masses realize...

If you need to pay your own way though college (like I did), you're much better off buying 100- and 200-level credits at the local junior college and saving your money for the 300+ level stuff universities specialize in. (The teaching quality of 100/200's in the junior colleges is usually better than that at universities too - you get an actual teacher with a masters who came up through the high school ranks instead of some useless grad student who's stuck with you because he/she can't get a job.)

Still a better value for the dollar...

But the top colleges do teach even the low level courses in a different way.

Not sure about that - I picked up my bad attitude at Duke U, and they like to think of themselves as a "top" school. (Maybe I should have accepted MIT's invitation instead.)

Look at MIT's calculus course- far more about the theoretical underpinings of calculus than just endless differentiations. While you do get the credits far cheaper the junior college way, you don't learn as much.

I suppose that might be marginally useful if you're going to get a doctorate in math someday, but I was just a lowly engineering major trying to get on with life without picking up student loan debt. If I was interested in the bells and whistles, I could have gone to the local bookstore and picked up a book on the history of math, mathematicians, etc.

Instead, I was self-funded and debt-free a year out of college: the kind of accomplishment that gets employers' attention when competing with lightweights who coasted through college on their parents' dollar.

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I am an engineer, and utterly uninterested in a doctorate in math. I also paid my own way, and thanks to doing 2 years of college concurrent with high school debt free the moment I left campus (albeit flat broke and with no car). I wish my courses did mo

Streaming (!= Copy protection)

I really wish that Youtube would do as Google video has done, and provide a direct download link for the FLV in addition to streaming it, for several reasons:

1. On "thin" connections, streaming simply doesn't work, but downloading does. Sure, it may take lon

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it's not like it is hard to get the flv.

They want you to come back to their site to see the advertisements. Why should they make it easy for you to not?

What about Google Video?

I'd think that would be a better choice..... YouTube is nice but I want to be able to download the lectures and watch them on my own time. Not everyone has 24/7 high-speed internet access. I'd love to have high quality videos that I can watch offline.... c

Berkeley Webcasts

UC Berkeley has been webcasting their classes for several years now. http://webcast.berkeley.edu/ [berkeley.edu] It looks like they're just offloading the storage and network to youtube now.

w00t!

Of course, it's not the equivalent of a Berkeley education or anything remotely close to it. But i

This seems to be part of a trend; I know some scientific journals are considering putting their articles online for all to read, instead of charging exorbitan

As a Berkeley Student...

As a Berkeley Student, the first thing I thought was YES! Now I don't have to go to class. But seriously, this is why I really like UC Berkeley. They are a public school and seem to really take that to heart. While they wont give any schmuck a degree, they are funded in large part by the taxpayers so why shouldnt anyone be able to take advantage of what they have to offer?

already available on UC Berkeley website

These are already available on the UCB site [berkeley.edu]. I do like the YouTube format better, but the selection from the Berkeley site is currently larger. They have some great analog transistor design classes there.

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Because, depending on the professor, attendance might still be mandatory to get the coveted piece of paper at the end.

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