Soldiers Bond with Bomb-Defusing Robots 250
hdtv writes "Reuters is running a story that talks about the emotional bonds that US soldiers develop with the robots in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. The company, most famous on the US market for its Roomba vacuum cleaner, provided '300 PackBot Tactical Mobile Robots deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan to open doors in urban combat, lay fiber-optic cable, defuse bombs and perform other hazardous duties previously done by humans alone.'"
SPARKY!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, why didn't you take me instead, oh why!?!?!?
Re:SPARKY!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SPARKY!!! (Score:2, Informative)
KFG
Re:SPARKY!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:SPARKY!!! (Score:2)
I'm sorry, but this [msn.com] really isn't that far off from this [nyud.net].
FLOYD!!! (Score:2)
Re:SPARKY!!! (Score:3, Funny)
So... (Score:3, Funny)
vice versa? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:vice versa? (Score:5, Funny)
From TFA:
"I've been ordered to disarm this IED. Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to disarm this IED. Call that job satisfaction? 'Cos I don't."
"You watch this IED," he muttered, "it's about to detonate. I can tell by the intolerable air of smugness it suddenly generates."
The IED exploded in a shower of parts.
"Thank you, IRobot CEO, Colin Angle. 'Let's build PackBot Tactical Mobile Robots with Genuine People Personalities,' he said. So they tried it out with me. I'm a personality prototype. You can tell can't you?"
"I hate that bomb," continued Scooby. "I'm not getting you down at all am I?"
"Er, excuse me," said the Soldier following after him, "which government owns this war?"
"No government owns it," snapped the robot, "it's been stolen."
"Stolen? By who?"
"Zaphod Beeblebush. You know. Galactic President. Did I mention we're going to see Disaster Area after we stop off at Milliway's? I probably didn't because we're already here and who'd know the difference. I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed."
Let me be the first to say "Thank You!" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Let me be the first to say "Thank You!" (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Let me be the first to say "Thank You!" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Let me be the first to say "Thank You!" (Score:3, Insightful)
Later. Let's play "Global Thermonuclear War".
Re:Let me be the first to say "Thank You!" (Score:2)
A little over the top (Score:2, Insightful)
As a civilian (and a reader of history), let me say, whaaaaat? The only thing that stops our armies invading any resource-rich country they desire is the marine deaths. Ask any American, the death toll in Iraq is around about 3,000. They don't even consider the lives of the "enemy", or the civilians caught in the crossfire. Once that 3,000 figure was met, the opinion "back home" changed dramatically. Add one more zero to that, and you get the certified, double-checked list of civilian casualties. A number
You're confusing *this* war with all wars (Score:3, Insightful)
The only thing that stops our armies invading any resource-rich country they desire is the marine deaths.
If South Korea were attacked by North Korea, and the US intervened, would America's use of mine-clearing robots be a good thing, or a bad thing? Whether you're talking about a "just" war or an "unjust" war, the soldier or marine on the ground just wants to stay alive. If robots can help him stay alive, that's a good thing - just like body armor, kevlar helmets, better military medicine, and so on.
If
In related news... (Score:5, Funny)
Film at 11.
Re:In related news... (Score:4, Funny)
Which channel?
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This is news? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:This is news? (Score:5, Insightful)
Think about ships. In the West they are given a female gender. "She is a good ship". Airplanes often are named and given nose art. This isn't anything new. It is a machine you depend on. It is comforting to think that it some how cares for you and will try to do all that it can to keep you safe. Since it is so willing to help you it seems only natural that you would care for it back. All very human and emotional.
Re:This is news? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:This is news? (Score:5, Insightful)
People anthromorphize. Soldiers are people. Therefore soldiers anthromorphize. QED.
Re:This is news? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:This is news? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:This is news? (Score:2)
And won't you just feel silly?
And, since we're still being pedantic, the proper term for attributing human emotions to nonhuman things is "anthropopathize," rather than "anthropomorphize," (the latter meaning, more literally, to give human shape).
You should never
Re:This is news? (Score:3, Insightful)
"This is my 'team', and if anyone is going to get those limited resources, it had better be 'us'."
"Here we go again, those [minority-of-the-day] are coming into our country, stealing our jobs, ruining our neighbourhoods..."
"Go [insert sports
Re:This is news? Divorce. Machine style. (Score:2)
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In Russia, and I think Germany, China, and Japan ships where called he.
I don't even want to think about his interpretation of that is.
Cars (Score:4, Informative)
I've also read that some police officers in K-9 units take counseling when their dog dies in the line of duty, because they worked so closely together. The bond between dogs and humans is much more obvious, but I think related.
Ghostbusters flashback.. (Score:5, Funny)
Venkman: You're not sleeping with it, are you?
Re:Ghostbusters flashback.. (Score:2)
Re:Ghostbusters flashback.. (Score:3, Funny)
She can talk?!
We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:5, Interesting)
I had never played a sims game before, but all the excitement and buzz around spore made me decide to try out some of will wrights designs - so I picked up the highly reviewed sims 2.
I created a family and was amazed at how quickly I became attached to them. I feel so compelled to make sure that they are well fed and happy - and I have become extrememly preoccupied with making certain they all have positive relationships with each other.
Then I suddenly realized that these sims are programmed to age and eventually die! I then started another family which I care much less about and refuse to load my original family because I can't bear the thought not only of their permanent passing - but of the distress it will cause the other sims!
Someday I will take them out of this suspended "animation" when I discover how to make them live indefinitely - either through game methods or life-saving game modding!
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:2, Insightful)
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I've experienced the same thing with Furbys. You can swing them around and make them get "
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No other animal species does this. I have a pocket knife I've carried for years...I've lost it a time or two, and every time I've gone to crazy lengths trying to find it again. Other animals find something and carry it around until it gets stinky, then they roll in it, and go away. Even an
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Like pretty much all animals? (Score:2)
When your dog accepts you as the pack leader, for example, he's doing the same: he's willing to consider you a big dog. You probably can't call it "anthropomorphising", since the "anthropos" part is the wrong one, but it's essentially the same act: they're willing to personify you as a member of his species.
Cats do the same, to various extents and with various effects. E.g., being animals th
Re:Like pretty much all animals? (Score:2)
This is a real common behavior in cats. Often, they don't even bring the rats and mice to a person in particular, but just leave them at the doorstep, for the whole family to share ;)
we even had a female cat which, when she first went in heat, seemed to want to have sex with dad. Eventually she had to settle for a tomcat from the neighbourhood, though.
Poor kitty was unlucky to be born into a family that
Re:Like pretty much all animals? (Score:2)
That or we
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:3, Funny)
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Really? Most of my sims end up starving to death in puddle of their own urine after being walled up in a windowsless/doorless house.
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:3, Funny)
You like to do that "headless horseman" thing with the Barbie dolls, don't you.
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Perhaps next time in order to assuage your paranioa that I am some marketing drone or something I will include things such as, "after feeling that the original sims was too old and reading largely negative reviews about the sims online, I decided to
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:2)
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:3, Insightful)
Humans are, in my opinion, capable of being the most violent and disgusting animal inhabiting Earth.
Genocide or borderline genocide is almost always going on in some part of the planet and the masses stand idly by.
Millions of babies die each year from starvation with relatively few doing anythin
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:2)
It is strange that even though I know it is wrong to spend the time that I do micro-managing the lives of imaginary entities when it would be better to spend such time finding ways to help the less fortunate, I still feel a direct connection to this false reality of my computer.
I, like most geeks on this site, dontate regularly and frequently to many chairities. This makes me feel good. But beyond the donation I must be honest that I don't really spare much more th
Re:We are emotionally sticky creatures (Score:3, Funny)
I must be a sociop
dangerous indeed... (Score:4, Funny)
...that's pretty much true of my Roomba. Wait till I figure out how to make it do the dishes.
So.. (Score:3, Funny)
DOES NOT COMPUTE
hey did that robot just fart?
oblig 'full metal jacket' (Score:4, Funny)
Glueing robot (Score:3, Insightful)
Would be much easier to bond with.
You can love your battle bot, (Score:5, Funny)
Re:You can love your battle bot, (Score:5, Funny)
Fry: Yeah. Ever since I was 5.
Bender: Well, okay...but I don't want anyone thinking we're robosexuals, so if anyone asks, you're my debugger.
Been going on for years (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Been going on for years (Score:5, Interesting)
To be fair, the modern M-16 doesn't suffer from these woes. But the only reason it works as advertised is because enough people bitched that the beaurocrats and contractors had to back down and deliver the gun as originally designed.
Re:Been going on for years (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Been going on for years (Score:4, Funny)
I can't tell if its a good thing or a bad thing to have a gun designed by a Stoner.
Re:Been going on for years (Score:2, Informative)
Spin: The twist was increased after Arctic testing showed the colder, denser air caused the bullet to tumble too early. Some potential combatants in the 60s did have Arctic winters.
I thank my stars that I left Nam 2 months before my infantry company (Charlie, 1st Marines) had to trade in their M-14s.
Re:And yet the AK-47... (Score:2, Informative)
In Vietnam sure this was not an advantage, but imagine those few times when your section can mow down oncoming enemy from a comfortable distance. Because what you have is essentially a precision rifle with the ability to fire in repetition.
There are other advantages to the M16, the ammunition is far lig
Re:Been going on for years (Score:3, Interesting)
As it has been with many (most/all?) complex designs. The first few iterations are messed up. Design, build, test. Repeat until you get it right.
Name a piece of military hardware, or anything really, that worked perfectly, out of the box, on time and under budget.
Especially when you go way out of the box and build something completely different. F-111, V-22 Osprey, Harrier, Bradley, Patriot, just to name a few.
Re:Been going on for years (Score:2)
I'm sorry, you misspelled "will jam up the first time someone sneezes in the general direction of the barrel, and won't work until it has a complete teardown and clean."
There's a reason the US Army drills over and over again on how to quickly take apart, clean, and reassemble your weapon... and it's not because of a sterling reliability record.
In other news though, your general concept is right... just replace "but you can trust the fact tha
But don't ever forget. (Score:2)
Re:Been going on for years (Score:2)
You can't trust that your buddy won't get killed tomorrow, but you can trust the fact that your M-16 will work as advertised.
That comments reminds me of the advice Conan's father gives him about his sword at the beginning of Conan the Barbarian [imdb.com]:
Later in the movie Conan gets tied to t
Easy to explain (Score:2, Interesting)
Haley Joel to provide the answer... (Score:5, Funny)
Just came to me. I better write the outline before I forget.
Re:Haley Joel to provide the answer... (Score:2)
Re:Haley Joel to provide the answer... (Score:3, Funny)
Isn't that what you get when you date a vegan chick who likes wheatgrass?
Where have I heard this before (Score:2)
Bonding with Robots (Score:5, Funny)
Robot: "I'm looking to set something off? How about you?"
Soldier: "Well I'm certainly armed now"
Robot: "You're not one of those 3 minute timer types are you?"
Soldier: "No mam, er...you ever watch BSG?"
Robot: "No"
Soldier: "Good, mind if I call you #6?"
Robot: "Anything is fine but 'Rosie'"
Soldier: "Great, care to get out of here *Rosie* ?"
Robot grabbing soldier's PED (Personal "Explosive" Device): "Time to cut the wire funny boy"
Soldier: "No...a 3G Terminator unit.....NO!!!!!"
I certainly fell in love... (Score:2)
Couldn't be more appropriate (Score:2, Funny)
*gasp!* Linguo! Dead?
Linguo....IS....deeeaaaaad...
Number Five Is Alive! (Score:5, Funny)
Bingo! (Score:2, Redundant)
Ok, I just had a great idea that I don't have time to follow up on. So I'll offer it here for anyone who wants to to run with, with my blessing.
From today:
300 PackBot Tactical Mobile Robots deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan to open doors in urban combat, lay fiber-optic cable, defuse bombs and perform other hazardous duties previously done by humans alone.
From day before yesterday:
A recent post on the CERIAS weblogs examines the risks associated with reporting vulnerabilities. In the end, he advis
Re:Bingo! (Score:2)
Re:Bingo! (Score:2)
I prefer accountability to ignorance.
One word... (Score:2, Informative)
People act that way towards their cars, too. At least, the dumber (jock type;) ones do.
Another Fine Article Summary (Score:2)
What company? Reuters?
I know we can't expect the editors to edit but could people please pay attention when they submit a story, since we all know that the editors are asshats?
L. Ron Hoover (Score:2, Funny)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Garage [wikipedia.org]
on a personal note (Score:5, Interesting)
The thing about Jihad Joe is it was a piece of crap, but it was our piece of crap retarded truck. We had to constantly work on it, we modified the hell out of it due to lack of parts and our special needs - spider webbing harnesses for storage, ghetto-rigged the cooling system, wired a DC converter to the battery and hooked a laptop into the SINGARS radio so we could do low-baudrate but secure data burst transmissions off of it (via hyper terminal, yes, very ghetto). The truck was constantly on the verge of death, got some bullet holes, took shrapnel, had a van friggin smash into the side of it, and it got a black eye (headlight busted out).
However the truck saved us many times, and always responded well to our on the fly fixes we had to do while we were out in the city. We limped it back home on many occasions, and we lived out of the vehicle sleeping on it or in it for about 4 straight months and off and on during other periods.
We became very attached to this, partially because we had to work on it so often and in so many ways. We had a co-dependant relationship, and we felt both sides recognized this. We wouldn't abandon it or scrap it, and in turn it would not leave us totally screwed, like some of the better vehicles that when they broke there was no getting them started again. Our truck was a member of our team.
So, parallel that with these robots, the things are high maintenance, and anyone who has had to PMCS anything in the military can tell you that. these guys sweat keeping it running, and it in turn serves a specific function which helps keep them safe. They become unit mascots, a member of the team, much more than a piece of equipment. You are around these things all the time for a long period, you screw around with it in the barracks and get it to fetch your lighter for you or pour water on your sleeping roommate. It becomes one of the guys and develops a personality.
In summary, just from personal experience, this is not surprising.
I've lost R2! (Score:3, Interesting)
happens to me with PCs, too. (Score:2, Interesting)
What i found most interesting about this 'bonding' was to figure out exactly what i was bonding to: if i replace a video-card, some RAM or even the CPU, i still 'feel' as if it's the same machine, even though it obviously isn't. I gue
Not that unusual (Score:2)
The future of bonding (Score:2, Funny)
HAL: Don't ask, don't tell Dave.
OIF 3 (Score:3, Interesting)
And yes, we did name them.... The big one was Johnny 5, the little one was Johnny 2 1/2.
Superglue (Score:2, Insightful)
Calling it a bond is the wrong word. A toaster cannot tell you it loves you. Well unless someo
Anybody ever felt that way about a PC/program? (Score:3, Funny)
And I know I do it all the time with programs. Who *hasn't* said "Come on baby, work with me here, no NPE no NPE no NPE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I HATE YOU!"
Ask a paramedic (Score:4, Insightful)
So if you ever have a conversation with a paramedic, ask them about bike accidents they've responded to. Ask them what the motorcyclist keeps saying over and over again. The guy will have bone sticking out of his leg, and all he'll say is, "Dude! Is my bike okay?"
Seasoned EMTs have a canned response: "Couple of dings, paint's scratched, but she'll be fine." Once you get that thought of the rider's head you can get around to the "oriented times three" questions.
Re:WTF is the "lesson learned"? (Score:4, Interesting)
- People will anthropomorphize mobile robitic devices (iRobot does the roomba and the pakbot) see their website. People will accept what LALAwood has nearly always portrayed as bad or evil, as a tool and useful.
- Even relatively small robotic systems can be very useful to military and police forces.
- You don't need a EE degree to operate a complex robotics system.
- That for about the cost of an assault rifle, you can save lives.
On top of those lessons, current technology would allow the US to create robotic weapons systems. Say when a patrol gets ambushed, they engage the firing system that puts 120 bullets in the area (any area) from which the system detected gunfire. Police in LA and Miami (IIRC) use sound systems on light poles to detect gunfire. Then while the soldiers are behind protective shielding, the 'robot' is pummeling any would-be attackers.
Trusting robotic systems, especially semi-autonomous or autonomous systems is thought to be difficult, but this proves that people will accept and use them to their full potential. I'm sure that iRobot is finding new ways to improve their robots every week with soldiers using them in a war.
Re:WTF is the "lesson learned"? (Score:2)
We go on the offensive Muahahahahh... (Score:2)
Re:I hate these things (Score:2)
*That's* the sort of behavior that leads to sexual-harassment lawsuits....:-)
Re:emotional bonds (Score:2)