Typo Found in Kryptos CIA Sculpture 144
SimuAndy writes "Elonka Dunin, game developer at
Simutronics and author/editor of the
new book, 'The Mammoth Book of Secret Codes and Cryptograms', reports that what everyone had thought was the answer to part 2 of the CIA's encrypted
Kryptos sculpture, wasn't. Sculptor Sanborn announced this week that everyone had gotten it wrong, because of a mistake on the art piece.
For more info, check out the
Wired story, or the
Kryptos Group announcement."
Sevfg cfbg (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sevfg cfbg (Score:2)
Iulvw svrw
Re:Sevfg cfbg (Score:1)
Re:Sevfg cfbg (Score:1)
I think the parent poster just made up that encrypted text. Unless they used a more complex algorithm. Ok, I'm a geek.
Wait, rot13 (Score:2)
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Re:Sevfg cfbg (Score:1)
Translation: Frist psot (Score:5, Informative)
Nice .sig (Score:2)
Re:Translation: Frist psot (Score:1)
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a sense of humor.
Elonka sucks, Ceren for ever! (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Elonka sucks, Ceren for ever! (Score:2, Interesting)
-Squirrelmaster out
Re:Elonka sucks, Ceren for ever! (Score:2)
Re:Elonka sucks, Ceren for ever! (Score:1)
Re:Elonka sucks, Ceren for ever! (Score:2)
CIA mistakes... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:CIA mistakes... (Score:1)
Got It! (Score:5, Funny)
Be sure to drink your Ovaltine
Aw man!
Embedded Advertising (Score:2)
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4th Part Decrypted! (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Got It! (Score:2)
*warning - off topic wondering follows*
on a side note, i wonder if A Christmas Story was the first example of having a 3rd person Narrator voice over using the grown up voice of the main character who is a kid... and, did the producers of The Wonder Years and currently Everyone Hates Chris have to pay a royalty fee for using this 'treatment' since such things can be copyrighted?
I bet it's all a hoax... (Score:2)
I mean, it's happened before.
Re:I bet it's all a hoax... (Score:2)
Re:I bet it's all a hoax... (Score:1)
*thinking* _A_ zeta function? Not _the_ zeta function? And with a seed?!
Re:I bet it's all a hoax... (Score:2)
Is this legal... (Score:2)
Re:Is this legal... (Score:1)
Wouldn't a crypto book be in violation of the DMCA?
It is likely that that particular law is in place to protect distribution of codes that actually protect something of value or interest to law enforcement or government agencies. While no one really cares about the codes that are created by kids on a playground, the PGP fiasco a while back was a bigger problem because people outside of the US could use it to encrypt data that the US government couldn't access.
Another possibility is that the book may j
Re:Is this legal... (Score:2)
DMCA protects "cracked" algorithms (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:DMCA protects "cracked" algorithms (Score:1)
Re:Is this legal... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Is this legal... (Score:2)
Not sure if this is the case with Krpytos, but I'd suspect that it is.
Re:Is this legal... (Score:2)
Actually most laws are like that. Run into the street to pull a kid out of harms way? Too bad you just jaywalked. That's why we have courts to interpret the law and juries to, theoretically, apply them sanely.
How was this wrong? (Score:1, Interesting)
I would think that if they decoded it properly, the answer they got was correct, regardless of what the intended message was.
If I make a typo and Rot13 it, you can Rot13 it and get my typo back, and it doesn't make you wrong. It means I can't spell.
I haven't RTFA, but the summary makes it look like I can correct others for my own mistakes. Cool!
Re:How was this wrong? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:How was this wrong? (Score:1)
Re:How was this wrong? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How was this wrong? (Score:2)
It's common to add garbage to the front and end of an encrypted message just to make it harder to know what the real message was for an attacker. Sometimes this garbage causes confusion in the correct recipient.
huh? (Score:5, Interesting)
what are the odds of that?
Alternate Plaintexts (Score:2)
Re:Alternate Plaintexts (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:huh? (Score:2)
what are the odds of that?
Precisely 100% - because that is exactly what happened.
Re:huh? (Score:5, Funny)
It's a million to one shot. But as we know, they come up 9 times out of 10.
Re:huh? (Score:2)
Re:huh? (Score:2)
Re:huh? (Score:2)
Some kind of upper limit is 15%. The more probable value is around 0.05%.
To get 15% I used following assumptions:
Number of letters is 26. This means that there is 26^8=208827064576 possible strings. Every one of them is eqaully propable.
Nuber of different words by their length is (fetched from
n1: 26
n2: 160
n3: 762
n4: 3070
n5: 6350
n6: 10691
n7: 14296
n8: 15223
Different settings of words are (I have removed all of them that contains 3 or more words with length of
Re:huh? (Score:2)
Elonka :)
That must be... (Score:2)
Still not English (Score:1)
>desparatly
>the remains
Still some work to do.
complexity (Score:1)
Then again, maybe someone will have the solution two days from now and I'll look like an idiot.
Publius Enigma (Score:3, Interesting)
Numerous [pinkfloyd-co.com], interesting [angelfire.com] sites are out there, and people have been trying to solve the thing for over 12 years.
Quite interesting, especially if you like the music and want to add a "new dimension".
Douglas Adams (Score:3, Interesting)
Bad Title (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Bad Title (Score:2)
So basically he thought it would be impossible to solve all this time but never told anyone?
If I had been working on this puzzle I would feel a
Re:Bad Title (Score:3, Insightful)
Hmmm (Score:4, Funny)
Location? (Score:2)
This seems very clearly a set of geographical longitude/lattitude coordinates. Presumably whatever's actually at that location would be necessary context for the "layer two" to make sense. So what location does that set of coordinates refer to? One of these cryptogra
Already done... (Score:3, Informative)
Please, don't everybody click on it at once, it's only a P100 webserver on DSL. Use a cache if it dies:
http://kryptos.arcticus.com.nyud.net:8090/ [nyud.net]
Re:Location? (Score:3, Informative)
Only time will tell.
Re:Location? (Score:2)
Re:Location? (Score:4, Informative)
Out in the CIA yard [google.com]
As if nobody can use Google anymore...
Re:Location? (Score:1)
Re:Location? (Score:2)
With palimpset as a key to K1, that might point to something that's been written on multiple times, with the previous writing still poking through.
Probably not, but it's interesting how that could possible refer back...
Re:Location? (Score:1)
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Actually... (Score:2)
CIA now humbly requests... (Score:5, Funny)
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Speaking of typos, you spelled low wrong..
geeks (Score:4, Funny)
"I've been drinking Mountain Dew and eating Easter Jelly Bellies to sharpen my mind," he says.
He says the new information was the equivalent of throwing a steak into shark-infested water. "There's going to be a frenzy of action around this for months because it's the first real bit of data we've been able to get. We don't know what it means. But it's very exciting."
Yeah, sharpening his mind with Jelly Bellies and going into a frenzy because someone added an 'x' to a cyphertext... nope, no dorkyness here...
Giggity! (Score:2, Funny)
And for some reason, every cipher determined by this method comes out "GIGGITY GIGGITY"
Did you people even read the article? (Score:1)
This isn't such a big 'everything was broken' as you may seem to think that it is. The original key still works. So the original people who cracked the 3rd part are still considered the first.
This is an important revilation because it is believed that part 4 (which has not been cracked) is s
Uncorrected error (Score:2)
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This is big news (Score:3, Informative)
The reason they went wandering around was to try and make sense of this piece of section two: If the text was actually supposed to say "... forty-four seconds west. x Layer Two". then that should change their interpretation of whatever they saw on the CIA grounds.
Someone much nerdier than I analyzed the coordinates [arcticus.com], but all this was done under the previous understanding of what Section 2 said.
Re:This is big news (Score:2)
Didn't Marshall decrypt this in ALIAS? (Score:2)
P.S. I assume this is the same code that was shown.
This is actually interesting. (Score:3, Interesting)
I created a 3d replica of the statue in 3d studio max (It should still be available in the yahoo group file section) and this talk of layer 2 talk may imply the folding of the statue. Elonka mentioned this to me a few days ago, but I didn't realize it was this important of an update.
Installing 3d studio max now, there goes my sleep for the next month O.O
Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
Elonka co-hosted on Binary Revolutions radio (Score:1)
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Heh! (Score:1)
That's ridiculous!
Nice job on the sculpture (Score:1)
We!come (Score:1)
Reminds me of the time... (Score:4, Interesting)
The following week in class the teacher announces the correct public & private keys, and most of the class flipped out since they had spent the time trying to figure out why their program wasn't decoding the encrypted assignment. (I guess those students never used a test case to verify that their program _actually_ was working correctly!?)
I guess it pays to pay attention to the expected data.
38 57' 6.5"N, 77 8' 44"W (Score:3, Funny)
Typo (Score:3, Funny)
define "wrong" (Score:1)
Did everyone really get it wrong? Seems they may have all have solved the problem they were presented with, even if this wasn't the problem which was intended. So they may not have solved what was intended, but Sanborn's mistake doesn't automatically make everyone else a failure... If I take a math test that asks me what 4 * 7 is and I answer 28, but they say "oops, we really meant to ask what was 1
Re:New Encryption Algorithm? (Score:1)
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Can anybody tell me what's the parent post about? (Score:2)
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Seriously, what reason is there to believe it's a one-time pad? Might as well be random noise. What would be the point?
Re:It's so obvoius (Score:1)
Don't have to be there (Score:1)