
Internet Turns 35 Today 244
shadowspar writes "The CBC is reporting that the Internet turned 35 today. The story talks about the less-than-prophetic beginnings of the net: 'In order to log in to the two-computer network, which was then called ARPANET, programmers at UCLA were to type in 'log', and Stanford would reply 'in'.
The UCLA programmers only got as far as 'lo' before the Stanford machine crashed.'"
Man (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Man (Score:2, Informative)
CBC news report on "Internet" (Score:2, Informative)
Which? (Score:5, Funny)
21 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:21 (Score:4, Informative)
However, it should be noted that Gore's words in a CNN interview, as quoted by Wired News, were as
follows:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the
initiative in creating the Internet."
Gore's meaning was fairly obvious: that he was one of the critical political supporters of the Internet. This is absolutely true. Without his support in the Congress, the Internet would have matured less quickly.
He never claimed to have "invented" anything. His efforts did help "create" the Internet though. And it is an accomplishment to be lauded...not mocked.
I wish people would stop misrepresenting this fact.
Re:21 (Score:2)
Move on, indeed.
Before the Stanford machine crashed... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Before the Stanford machine crashed... (Score:3, Insightful)
Since I've been using FreeBSD, NeXT, and MacOS X, exclusively for the past 15 years this news gives me pause for thought. Each OS has been reliable, fast, low-maintenance and enjoyable. Because of this I was not terribly concerned by the sad news that BSD was dying. Honestly, it always seemed pretty healthy to me.
Hearing that this fatal condition has persisted for much longer than I had known about, perhaps I should finally heed the warni
35 years (Score:5, Funny)
Re:35 years (Score:5, Funny)
Re:35 years (Score:2, Funny)
Three Dead Trolls (Score:2, Funny)
"The Internet was invented by the American military back in the late '60s. It was designed to be a durable, scalable, decentralized information delivery system so that in the event of a nuclear attack, American military leaders would still have access to pornography."
Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie [deadtroll.com] - "Keep your parents off the internet" (I'm not afiliated with them)
The unfortunate side of the internet (Score:5, Funny)
"...and man, do I ever wish those pictures hadn't gotten onto the 'net."
Re:The unfortunate side of the internet (Score:3, Funny)
Modified for correctness:
Re:The unfortunate side of the internet (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:The unfortunate side of the internet (Score:3, Funny)
UCLAd00d1: Dude, there's this funky green fridge thing on the 4th floor, but there's no beer inside, man!
UCLAd00d2: No way, mon. Let me grab my uber-1337 peltier and water c00ling system and fix it up, d00d.
UCLAd00d1: sw33t!!!
Soko
35 years on (Score:5, Funny)
Re:35 years on (Score:2, Funny)
That should encourage us all: even after 35 years of internet-enabled outsourcing, really great programmers with a portfolio of original, ground-breaking work can still find a job without moving to Asia.
Thousands of twisty websites (Score:5, Funny)
or like galaxies in the night sky, separated by vast expanses of emptines and porn
Re:Thousands of twisty websites (Score:4, Funny)
Lo! (Score:2)
and Lo! they entered the land of Plenty
Thus the original login was strangely appropriate
Congratulations Internet... (Score:2)
more people != more fun on here.
What they meant to type... (Score:5, Funny)
It's real simple. (Score:2)
(I think!).
Re:What they meant to type... (Score:2)
35? (Score:5, Funny)
Ahem.
Re:35? (Score:2, Funny)
Internet Years Vs. Real years (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not even sure its safe to called the ARPANET the internet, considering how limited it was, but it will make for some interesting debate.
Re:Internet Years Vs. Real years (Score:5, Insightful)
Internet > WWW
Thank you.
What he means (Score:3, Insightful)
The internet is a number of inventions put together, the idea of a open protocol that any computer network could talk to the outside regardless of what it used internally. It is also the idea that it not centralized like more tradionional networks so that it could survive outage.
Just like junkmail != Postal system, the internet != WWW. Rather just like junkmail uses the postal system to work, the WWW uses the internet. HOWEVER, the two are entirely un
Re:Internet Years Vs. Real years (Score:2)
The previous existance, of some wack hackers, playing with protocols, some of them still very usefull, and smart militairy playing with communications doesnt mean its the "net".
At least, I think thats the semantic meaning of your parent's "real"
"/Dread"
Sure it was (Score:5, Insightful)
FTP is quite old [faqs.org], and was quite useful even before gopher and later http made zipping files back and forth trivial. The genius of Berners-Lee was rather like the mythical invention of the Recees Peanut Butter Cup. He figured out a way to combine a hypertext markup scheme [wikipedia.org] with internet file transfer. The individual component ideas had been lying around for at least seven years (and possibly since the dawn of ARPANET) when he put them together in a limited whole. Active scripting was a bit more clever an idea, but only marginally.
I will grant that it's a good thing TELNET is dying in favor of SSH-- security (network and computer alike) has made great progress since then. So has bandwidth. So has accessibility to the general public [catb.org]. But it's no more funamentally different in terms of power than modern desktop computers are compared to those of days of yore [computerhistory.org].
Re:Sure it was (Score:2)
You're putting TELNET down if you think its importance was limited by security and bandwidth. TELNET was the original killer app of networking: its development led the original thinking about how much a network application should do vs. what the underlying network should do. It exposed many portability issues across different architectures and operating system environments. FTP has direct debts to TELNET, the whole concept of open protocols does. That paradigm has made the Internet the success it is. TELNE
Re:Internet Years Vs. Real years (Score:2)
Besides, the place to be in 94 was newsgroups and (text-only) muds, the web was a small place back then (in comparison). Gopher, man... ahhh, gopher. Where are my old friends Archie and Veronica? I want to ask Eric about something...
Re:Internet Years Vs. Real years (Score:2)
Eh? .arpa is reserved as the PTR namespace. So unless you've ported http to Chaos or something...
unintended consequences (Score:2, Insightful)
But that is exactly what they did.
**cough**I-tunes**cough (Score:3, Funny)
Re:**cough**I-tunes**cough (Score:2)
Who is making money? (Score:2)
Not the real circletimessquare! (Score:2)
it is not like the original ubergeeks sat around the u berkeley lab setting up darpanet in the 1960s
and said hey lets invent an infinitely superior music distribution model that no one can make money off of
but that is exactly what the did
Of course, it would then ramble on for at least 10 more micro-paragraphs, none of which would use punctuation or capitalization.
it's really me ;-) (Score:2)
i basically am paraphrasing from my kuro5hin story
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/1/28/31758/740
Re:unintended consequences (Score:4, Insightful)
In short (because I should be in bed already):
Changes in the means of production (ie. technological advances, eg. the internet) will alter the relations of production and eventually have a "cascade effect" which radically alters society itself (eg. notions of intellectual property).
But, that's not really what I wanted to pick up. Rather, I'm curious as to how a music distribution that "no one" can make money off can possibly be considered "infinitely superior".
I'm not trying to troll, I dont think P2P is theft, blah blah. Hell, I use P2P myself - yes, to download music. Yes, to download music which I'm not supposed to.
On the other hand, as a musician, there has to be money in there somewhere, or the consequences are potentially dire. Now you can say "real musicians will continue to make music for the love of it, even if they're not getting paid" all you like. You'd be right. They will.
But.... lets just say, I spent five years making music while a student/unemployed. In that time I consistently averaged one track every two weeks. Eleven months ago I got a full-time temping job; since then I've made five tracks in total. Three months ago I got a full-time "proper" job; since then I've made absolutely nothing.
It's simply a matter of time and energy. If you can earn money from your music, you can devote all your time to it. If you can't, you're faced with trying to come up with some meaningful in two or three snatched hours after work, with a head full of stress and that 7am alarm clock lurking at the back of your mind.
If nobody makes money from music, less music gets made. Sad but true.
i disagree (Score:2)
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/1/28/31758/740 2 [kuro5hin.org]
basically, my point is that the desire to create music is stronger than the desire to make money
we were banging on drums on front of campfires simply for the sheer joy of it tens of thousands of years before we were exchanging metal coins
do you love music?
no, really... do you love music?: because if you really do, then you will understand why making money or not of
a graph of internet growth? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:a graph of internet growth? (Score:5, Informative)
Other useful charts are at http://navigators.com/stats.html [navigators.com]
A map of global internet connectivity is http://navigators.com/globe16b.gif [navigators.com]here
The real question is - where does the Internet go from here?
Re:a graph of internet growth? (Score:2)
duh [1112.net]
Re:a graph of internet growth? (Score:2)
Weird..... (Score:2, Funny)
Blogging the event... (Score:2)
So... (Score:5, Funny)
(Lo [crash] Log)
It's a scary thought....
Re:So... (Score:3, Funny)
Lo (Crash) Lomg
The first Bit to travel over ARPANET? (Score:3, Interesting)
Assuming that the Honeywell-based IMP was a using a 7-bit ASCII-like encoding without checksum bit and transferred bit sequentially from most to least significant bit, then the first sequence was 1001100. But I guess it was perhaps rather based on a five-bit teletype scheme.
There wasn't much info on the DDP-516's homepage about that. But I like this quote: "The Honeywell DDP-516 was chosen for its high clock speed (aprox. 1.1 MHz) and expanda
Famous internet prediction by me in 1994 (Score:5, Funny)
"The Web will likely be a novelty while serious research will remain on Gopher."
Re:Famous internet prediction by me in 1994 (Score:2)
I didn't see this on Compuserve in 1993, so it is false. Faker!
Re:Famous internet prediction by me in 1989 (Score:4, Interesting)
I said, "No, only geeks will ever use the Internet."
I realized how wrong that was when I saw my first URL on a billboard in about '95. I felt violated. They were taking over my network!
Re:Famous internet prediction by me in 1994 (Score:2)
I guess I was wrong... :-)
But I have been pretty
AOL (Score:4, Insightful)
it's amazing that their current ad campaign makes AOL=Internet
So Al Gore (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So Al Gore (Score:3, Funny)
Thanks to his invention, I was able to look that up to correct you.
Re:So Al Gore (Score:2)
I grit my teeth when I here the "I invented the Internet" jokes. Mainly because he wasn't lying when he sait that. (sort of)
Just like when GW says "nukular" or "My wife speaks much better English than me", Al made a booboo. A mistake, as it were.
See, he dinn't invent the internet, he is in large part responsible for its creation.
See, Al Gore saw someithin in this "Internet" and worked with a nu
H4PPY B1R7HD4Y (Score:2, Funny)
thanks alot for l33t speak...
1968 (Score:5, Informative)
Almost nobody noticed that 1968 was also the year when Noyce an Moore founded Intel [computerhope.com], Douglas Engelbart demoed [stanford.edu] for the fist time GUI, mouse and word processing, UCLA and Stanford started to build their networking connection. Even today, scholars seem not to notice the relevance of these facts.
Re:1968 (Score:4, Interesting)
Because today, the 60's culture of experimentation (in expansion of rights, in lifestyles, and, yes, in chemical ingestion) is decried as nothing but selfish hedonism without actually examining that it might have also been the roots of a culture that allowed technical advances to expand and flourish. Of course, in this dangerous world, we could never let anything like that happen again!
Re:1968 (Score:3, Interesting)
No need to examine it beyond the most cursory. One finds the hotbeds of psychedelic activity and the hotbeds of technical activity and finds them rather well seperated in space, and slightly seperated in time
Re:1968 (Score:2)
One finds the hotbeds of psychedelic activity and the hotbeds of technical activity and finds them rather well seperated in space, and slightly seperated in time.
Yeah, because those mind-freaked hippies at Berkeley never did nuthin'.
Happy b-day... (Score:3, Funny)
Very prophetic actually (Score:2, Funny)
Oh, no. The idea of a machine crashing instead of serving up the requested data is totally alien to the modern Slashdot reader!
Cane-Walking (Score:3, Funny)
Dammit, I'm older than it is. Mumble
So that's why... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So that's why... (Score:2)
That's brilliant. If I was a bigtime web admin person, I would TOTALLY get that plate.
Deja Vu (Score:2)
A great book on this topic (Score:2, Informative)
Now tell Joe Beer this. (Score:5, Insightful)
[cue OT rant]
Most bozos nowadays can't distinguish between:
* "The Internet" and "The Web"
* "PC" and "Windows"
* "Microsoft" and "Windows"
* "Macintosh" and "the Mac OS" (or "Mac OS X")
* "Apple" and "Macintosh"
Thus, you will hear things like "Yeah, I'm on the Web" (translation: "I have a connection to the Internet"), or "Are you running Windows or Mac?" (translation: "Windows or Mac OS X"), or "This game is only available for the PC" (read: "...for Windows").
However, these same functional computer illiterates (read: 99% of the US population) manage to think that "Linux", "Unix", "Red Hat" and "Solaris" (to give four examples) are completely different skillsets (talk to any typical "tech recruiter" and you'll see what I mean. I've met guys who have twenty years of experience in half a dozen commercial Unices, but can't get a job dealing with the one major flavor they've never touched... 'cuz as we all know, they don't all share 99% of the same stuff.... Oh, wait, they do...)
Re:Now tell Joe Beer this. (Score:2)
Re:Now tell Joe Beer this. (Score:2)
Oh, it's much worse than you think...
"What's a mozilla? I don't want mozilla, I want the internet" -- My Mother.
Re:Now tell Joe Beer this. (Score:2)
Most bozos nowadays can't distinguish between:
* "The Internet" and "The Web"
* "PC" and "Windows"
* "Microsoft" and "Windows"
* "Macintosh" and "the Mac OS" (or "Mac OS X")
* "Apple" and "Macintosh"
Not to mention IBM compatible PCs running Windows, IBM compatible PCs regardless of what they're running, or PCs in general, or for that matter the roman numeral for ten or the letter X (let alone how to pronounce TeX).
Re:Now tell Joe Beer this. (Score:2, Insightful)
I found it kinda funny that on your website in your sig about UnixKit contains the following:
Is seems like... (Score:3, Funny)
Internet Down? (Score:2, Funny)
Their next conversation went like this... (Score:2)
Stanford: weis
Slashdot: e...NO CARRIER
According to US law (Score:3, Funny)
INTERNET for PRESIDENT, 2004!
It is a pretty good choice. Internet is socially liberal, and fiscially conservative, very accepting of others, and it is willing to let you look at it's massive pr0n collection for free.
Now, all it needs is a phone switch for VP, and it's the ultimate ticket.
no no no (Score:2)
LI
and then crash. LO comes second.
WRONG! (Score:2, Interesting)
I feel young again! (Score:2)
Guess I'm not an old fart, I'm in fact younger than the internet!
Happy birthday, Iwakure Lain... (Score:2)
LO... (Score:2)
"Maybe if TCP/IP were less formal... (Score:3, Funny)
Seems fitting, though.
192.168.1.2: 'Lo.
192.168.1.1: Hey.
192.168.1.2: 'n I get a shell?
192.168.1.1: Sure.
What happen on September 1, 1969 (Score:2)
Why do I care? Because I was born on precisely that date, and it's always been cool to say that the Internet is exactly as old as I am.
Libertarians: Please log off the internet now (Score:2)
Funded by the government. Precursor of the internet.
Government handout.
IS THAT A HAMMER AND SICKLE ON YOUR FOREHEAD?
DONT LIKE IT? LOG OFF.
Use a commercial network like X.25. Apply to Tymnet, Inc. and hope they'll accept your website.
Hmm..I think a more significant question is.. (Score:2, Interesting)
But personally, i'd be killing some worms or killing some kittens, if you get my drift.
Re:Stop and think... (Score:2)
Re:Stop and think... (Score:2)
Re:Stop and think... (Score:2)
Re:35 ehh. Great (Score:2)
Translation for the binary impaired (Score:2)
Re:Didn't this already happen? (Score:3, Informative)
The CBC article linked from the present story:
"After the hardware was put in place, researchers at
Re:Didn't this already happen? (Score:2, Informative)
Here's one [dailywireless.org] that said it turned 35 last month.
Here's yet another one [slashdot.org] at a reputable site [slashdot.org] that has it as 20 years ago, but this was Dec 31, 2002.
Any reason to celebrate, I guess.
Clearly we have a disagreement... (Score:2)
How about when DARPA officially earmarked the money to start the research program? Anyone want to hazard a guess when that was, exactly?
Re:happy bday (Score:2)