New Battlestar Galactica Series Greenlighted 328
Trunks writes "A few days ago the Sci Fi Channel officially announced a 13 episode season for Ronald Moore's Battlestar Galactica remake. Looks like they'll be bringing back most of the cast members, including Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell. The new series will begin a few days after the miniseries that aired a few months back. Production commences next month in Vancouver, B.C." This had been speculated previously, and the rumors are indeed true.
In Classic Comic Book Guy Style... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:In Classic Comic Book Guy Style... (Score:3, Funny)
Needless to say, I was on the internet within minutes registering my disgust around the globe.
Vancouver! (Score:5, Interesting)
where are they shooting the movie?
side note: A lot of X-Files eps were shot in Simon Fraser University. The central university building is Academic Quadrangle, name after its quadrangular shape. Whenever the X-Files team needs a shot of the pentagon, they just "cheat" their way out by shooting a section of AQ...
Re:Vancouver! (Score:5, Informative)
The 2003 mini-series was shot in Burnaby. Most of the work ws done on sound stages (presumably on Boundary Road) but SFU was also used for one or two scenes. The production office is in North Van.
Re:Vancouver! (Score:5, Informative)
Can't find the reference links right now though (try Google).
Re:Vancouver! (Score:5, Funny)
Good news (Score:5, Funny)
Ballistic missiles over beam weapons. Mmmm.
But they have to bring back the original theme song.
Re:Good news (Score:2, Troll)
They played it during the "fly past" scene in the recent series when the Galactica was being officially decommissioned.
Re:Good news (Score:5, Interesting)
There sure were a lot of drumbeats in the pilot episodes, although we caught strains of it during the ceremony.
I surmise that they may get their own music once the go-ahead is on. It might take a little while to get some decent music unless they prepare well in advance; Stargate hobbled along with snippets of the original movie's music in a not-quite-audio-balanced form for a while until they managed to work in new arrangements more suited to a TV series :)
Re:Good news (Score:3, Informative)
Rant: annoying sexism (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:4, Insightful)
Why are you convinced it was superior? (spoiler) (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:5, Insightful)
To many resources would be devoted to building infrastructure for their war machine, so at best you could state that they have marginally better technology (although we really did not see the "best" colonial toys). And that is not truly enough to defeat prepared defenses on a multi planetary scale.
Number 6 is a logical infiltration unit. Most people in power are Male and most males can be lead around by their gonads....
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:2, Interesting)
They dont have to eat
They dont have to sleep
They dont get sick
They dont take vacations
They remember everything they ever did
They remember everything that any other cylon ever did.
They dont have to worry about the safety/survivability of test-pilots etc
And they can form beowulf clusters to work stuff
out
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:2, Funny)
Also they have redundancy
Why else did they call their fighter craft
RAIDer's ??????
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem with giving the programmer access to really advanced hardware is it's a bit difficult to explain, even if you say it's a prototype. Um, where did I get this 2 billion Ghz machine? Well, um....
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:5, Funny)
Agreed. It would have been much more realistic if the Cylons had created a middle-aged suit-wearing Business Consultant who outsources Boltar's job to a distant planet.
Why is this a problem? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Rant: annoying sexism (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm a programmer. Can a sexy blonde android seduce me?
Where are the new ideas? (Score:5, Insightful)
Where, however, is the "buzz" over cool new ideas yet unseen? Many people buzz over remakes of old ideas, but are they done any better?
Star Wars lumbers on with dialogue-ridden prequels (and yet unseen postquels), Gilligan's Island is probably in production for the silver screen by now, I-Spy has been dubiously remade.
Firefly was/is a cool idea and at least got an airing. Star Trek is still a cool franchise, but has been pretty commodotized.
Where's the new, cool stuff.
I'm not a huge Anime fan, but Cowboy Bepop seems pretty cool to me. If there aren't new ideas, why not bring this one from one format to another?
Still; Where's the cool, new stuff?
Re:Where? It's the bandwidth! (Score:4, Interesting)
I think the real driver behind all the remakes is available bandwidth. The number of channels available on a modern direct-broadcast satellite system is astounding! The programmers (in the TV sense of the word) just can't generate enough content or come up with enough new ideas.
There's a glut of video bnadwidth, viewers get spread thin, advertising dollars per channel plummets -- thus we have remakes, re-runs, and 'reality' shows ad nauseum.
(BTW: I thought the miniseries was pretty good! Especially compared to the campy original.)
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:2, Funny)
I see you are taking a dim view and assuming that even theoretically speaking, Episodes VII-IX will be unworthy of the title "sequels."
"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:5, Insightful)
That's why you don't get big budget "new" movies, you get sequel after sequel of The Matrix 6, Charlies Angles 3, Scooby Doo 2, etc., and the crap just gets churned out, but they know they can market it because the auideince for that crap is pre-existing.
Lord of the Rings was such a fluke because there's no way that should have gotten done, or done as well as it was, via the Hollywood system. Because Hollywood crushes creativity, it eschews original thought, and it despises anything it can't reference as something else.
When you're committing millions of dollars before even a frame of film is shot, the boardroom people want to be comfortable about it by knowing it's really something they can already relate to. That's why Gene Roddenbury had to "sell" Star Trek as "Wagon Train to the Stars", and couch it in relation to a Western, which was the TV staple of the 60's.
Unless you can make your "new idea" seem like *exactly* something everyone has seen before, you'll never get funding for your production. You've got a better chance of winning the lottery and self-producing it.
And that, my friend, is why there's only crap on TV and Movies. Because Hollywood hates "new ideas".
Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:4, Interesting)
Television is slightly better, but only because some production companies are still willing to gamble the relatively small amounts it takes to make a pilot or even a one-off show.
Sometimes the sequels can be done very well, for example I personally consider Rocky II to be the best of that series, although after that they should have stopped. Others, although not as good as the first, can still be well written and entertaining (Toy Story 2 was pretty good). Others they should have stopped after the first movie instead of turning the story into a joke. (I keep telling myself that "there is no sequel")
But some more originality on the big screen would be nice.
Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:2)
Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:5, Informative)
Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:3, Insightful)
It is easy to vilify the boards and execs of movie houses, but they have a job to do: make money. If you are looking for an investment for yourself, say a new stock you heard about, are you going to pour in your hard-earned money if you have absolutely no proof that it will work? If there is no other company doing what this stock's company is doing? No,
Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:"New Ideas" die in boardrooms (Score:5, Insightful)
Okay, I'll take the bait. When was this ever the case? Please show me the specific years and movies around which making "good movies" rather than money was the norm and not the exception?
Look at the problems that surrounded getting Citizen Kane, Casablanca, or even Star Wars made and I think you might find that good movies have always emerged from a fortunate confluence of events rather than an altrusitic streak in the studios.
But I'm not a movie historian, so prove me wrong.
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:4, Insightful)
From Hollywood? There is no new stuff. Studios cannot green-light something original. It simply will not happen, ever, no matter how "cool" it might be.
Same story for game companies, publishers, whatever. Original, new material is too "risky." (People who run companies like this who bitch about risk should have invested in bonds).
Unless it is already $100 million franchise (purchased for $100,000) with worldwide merchandising rights available in at least five major cross-industry categories, it gets shitcanned. It's that simple.
Anime is about the only category where there is cool new stuff. The entertainment industry of today is exactly like the auto industry of the 1970s, and the Japanese are about to buy the whole thing for about 4c on the dollar. Anime is a diamond mine of originality and creativity. There are anime series that are masterpieces of contemporary thought and literature, as well as fantastically capable demonstrations of state-of-the-art animation. Nothing else can even begin to compete.
If the anime and manga shelves at Suncoast continue to expand at their current rate, there will be no Hollywood DVDs for sale there in five years.
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:5, Insightful)
If the anime and manga shelves at Suncoast continue to expand at their current rate, there will be no Hollywood DVDs for sale there in five years.
While I will conceed that there is plenty of creativity in anime and even more room for it to expand, I don't feel that it will ever become quite as popular as you are describing. We, as geeks, tend to be more open about "alternative" forms of entertainment. However, Average Joe over there has a hard time overcoming his preconceptions about animated shows -- the preconception that they are for kids.
I don't know how many times my friends, parents, etc. have asked me why, at my age, I was watching "a cartoon." The Simpsons seems to be an exception, but despite the fact that it's been around for 15 seasons (is that right?) I still know some older people who don't want to watch it because "it's a cartoon."
Anime won't really become mainstream over here until the average American is able to look at it as more than just a cartoon for kids.
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:2)
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:2)
As for non-scifi anime, the more that I think about it, you are right as far as scifi anime being practically the only thing they import to the US. Which is why it's probably hard to think of non scifi anime. The other non-scifi anime that I t
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:3, Interesting)
A stroll through the "Anime" section at Best Buy proves you wrong. Sure, there's plenty o' sci-fi, and also several fantasy series (Slayers probably being the most popular)
There's also romance (Love Hina), sports drama (Princess Nine), modern espionage (Noir), soft-core pr0n comedy (Najica Blitz Tactics), parody (Excel Saga), war stories (Grave of the fireflies), horror (Boogiepop Phantom), Buffy-esque mo
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:2)
If the anime and manga shelv
Re:Where are the new ideas? (Score:2)
Yeah, like Tenchi Muyo, Shin Tenchi Muyo, Tenchi in Tokyo, etc. There's also Bubblegum Crisis 2040. Dirty Pair, and Dirty Pair Flash. El Hazard, and El Hazard The Alternative World. And that really great new program with that great, brand new original character, Captain Harlock. Sorry, pal, but anime, as much as I love it, has its share of derivative content. Nobody refuses to milk the cash cow. The only difference is that the Japanese
Another series. (Score:3, Funny)
The setup: Hunt, commander of a high guard star ship, one of the most powerful in the Commonwealth screws up and gets to close to a black hole. A few hundred years (500?) later, thanks to an event that took place hundreds of years ago, his ship finally breaks free of the pull of the black hole and he emerges into a universe where the Commonwealth no longer exists anymo
Re:Another series. (Score:2)
So its started already??? (Score:4, Funny)
That would either qualify this as OLD news, or
one of the most tortured sentences I've seen in a while....
OT: Any news when the Sci-fi series released. (Score:4, Interesting)
Waiting with baited breath.... (Score:5, Informative)
On top of all that they nailed the human side of the story. Family ties, personal relationships, etc all played a huge role in the pilot (perhaps even more so than in the original series). For me, this is the element that makes the show so good.
My only fear is that they change the characters or take away from the dynamics of what they were building.
Re:Waiting with baited breath.... (Score:3, Insightful)
First off, there's the effectiveness issue.
If you're talking about explosive devices, you need hit-to-kill accuracy anyway, because shock-waves do not propagate in a vacuum. Although I don't discount the effectiveness of nuclear weapons in space. (Personally, I would design a nuclear warhead to take a more directed approach in nuclear detonation - using neutron reflectors and such, you don't want a 360-degree nuclear blast, you want your warh
Finally! (Score:3, Interesting)
Battlestar Galactica was, and always will be pulp fiction for the masses, where demographical studies were paramount! I'm looking forward to being exploited.
Re:Finally! (Score:3, Insightful)
I like them too. Fortunately, Firefly filled that void for 13 episodes.
But it sucks (Score:4, Interesting)
Then they take out the few bits that were remotely imaginative from the original series. Rather than having an ancient society with their own political structure, they have a carbon copy of the US political system. All the ancient Egyptian styling has been axed, and the Galactica is simply way too new. Galactica was 500 years old in the original series. It made it seem like it was worth caring about.
Finally, we have the actual script. It's not enough just to throw in random emotive scenes. Yes, they have to leave some people behind. Yes, it's a tragedy. But come-on; three times!?. Talk about rubbing it in. And even though we're meant to believe that it's such a disaster, people make these life or death decisions with hardly a flicker of anxiety.
Re:But it sucks (Score:3, Insightful)
Umm... not really, heck, it was a key decision near the start of the second part of the miniseries, where the president and apollo are arguing over if they should run right away, or wait to transfer civlians off non-jump capable ships. Then you have
Re:But it sucks (Score:5, Interesting)
I watched the miniseries when it came out and thought it was okay, if a bit cliched.
Then I bought the original series DVD set, and watched the whole thing. It does have a noticeable fromage factor in places (e.g. Muffit, reusing a lot of the space footage in *every* episode, the robots in "Greetings from Earth"), but it's obvious to me that the creators really cared about telling an interesting story of their own.
There was so much about the original that had its own feel - the design of the costumes, the sets, the ships, the Cylons - and in the remake they've all been replaced by generic sci-fi designs.
90% or more of the elements in the remake could have been designed for any space action film - Wing Commander in particular comes to mind. I was *especially* disappointed with the new Cylons. It's obvious that they only make an appearance for a few seconds because the CG is so poorly animated. I also thought the new Raiders with the scanning eye on the front were incredibly cheesy.
That having been said, there were a few things I thought were clever - particularly one of the plot twists near the end that I will not explain to avoid spoiling anyone.
I also liked that "Caprica" was actually the university in Canada that I went to [www.sfu.ca] (BG is higher class than The Sixth Day or The Fly II, both of which also filmed there).
Basically I feel like the creators of the new series started changing things not because it was a good idea, but just for the sake of doing it, Rick Berman-style.
I guess a new series could turn out well, but I get the impression that it won't. Sci-fi should have let Richard Hatch do his follow-up idea instead of "reimagining" the story.
Re:But it sucks (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:But it sucks (Score:2)
Re:But it sucks (Score:4, Funny)
No, I dont think THAT [amazon.com] would be a good idea...
Re:But it sucks (Score:2)
Yeah, and while our heroes are good ol' poker-playin' whiskey-sippin' American pilots, the villain of the piece is a foppish Brit. Probably because we're the one group in the world who won't threaten to sue over defamation, we're too p
...Roumpatroullie Orion (Score:2, Interesting)
There just was a movie made from the german series "Raumpatroullie Orion" - here a fan site [orionspace.de] (I don't know the english series name), where all of the seven episodes were assembled to a movie, completed by new filmed "News Show" (still in B/W)
Blade Runner meets Terminator (Score:2, Interesting)
Also Starbuck is incredibly annoying and ugly to boot. As much as I liked the pilot, I don't know if I could stand watching her so much. They really should have left her as a man. Or, if they are going to leave her female, at lea
Interesting side note (Score:2)
Re:Blade Runner meets Terminator (Score:3, Informative)
True, still not the original role, but not what you described, either.
Sci-Fi Channel (Score:4, Interesting)
The Sci-Fi Channel had the guts to air Lexx as well as a host of other ventures. I have caught my co-workers on many a time watching Outer Limits or Twilight Zone.
Has much less commercials than TNT. (Anybody been through the painfull IGEA pore sucker commercial?)
I wish these guys well, and I think they are on course so far.
Re:Sci-Fi Channel (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, to pubescent living-in-mom's-basement pasty faced geeks, Lexx was cool because it had a hot chick.
Go ahead and mod me off topic or whatever. I just had to respond and at least I have the gonads to not post this as an AC
I liked the cylons (Score:3, Interesting)
not THAT is Sci-Fi (Score:5, Funny)
Now THAT is Sci-Fi... Giving the green light NOW and have it begin a few months back...
Score one for bittorrent... (Score:4, Interesting)
Watching it without the commercials really improved it. Anyone else find otherwise decent programs on Sci-Fi ruined by the deluge of commercials?
Easier Remake? (Score:2, Interesting)
The original series (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The original series (Score:2)
Re:The original series (Score:2)
I may be wrong but... (Score:4, Funny)
looking forward to it (Score:2, Insightful)
the negative press was the press.. (Score:2)
why? 'cause he gave a rats ass about the viewers?
no-- because it got them more news air time about the show than paid advertising
13th eipsode? (Score:2, Funny)
Confessions of a Science Fiction Junkie (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll admit it, I watched the original series back in the 80s, and I liked it. It's no excuse that I was a kid at the time, I should have known better. It was crap and I liked it. I also liked Buck Rogers, which was an even bigger load of crap. I was so starved for science fiction entertainment I religiously watched what the tv execs threw out at us.
So I watched this latest version of Battlestar Galactica, and you know what? I liked it. I really should know better...
Re:Confessions of a Science Fiction Junkie (Score:3, Insightful)
Since BtVS has gone, there's not much science fiction/fantasy that I can watch. I've been getting by with some Sliders reruns and one or two Highlander episodes, but I'm dying here man.
Anyway, I thought I'd post a list of things I hate in SF shows:
1) Time travel -- Any episode where you can go bac
Greenlighted? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Greenlighted? (Score:3, Interesting)
Some cool links for the Galactica fans (Score:5, Informative)
Facts and FiguresLists, tables, and other amazingly organized data.
Yuk (Score:2, Flamebait)
Show was slow, poorly acted and generally dull as well, seemed like just another B5 to me.. Perhaps it can improve, but its got a long way to go in order to be taken seriously as a show as far as im concerned.....
Yes I expect to be moderated into oblivion, but its what my impression was after the pilot 'mini series' ( if any one actually thought it wouldnt become a series, they were b
Re:Yuk (Score:2, Insightful)
And, when you write things like, "It wasn't true enough to the original, I saw several technical inconstancies," we must all collectively reply, "Don't be such a freakin' geek."
Neets to be true to orginal... (Score:2)
If it isn't, then it should be a DIFFERENT show.. Regardless of the quality of the actual show.. Pretty simple viewpoint.
And as far as their acting, everyone has their own view, my view is that it sucked, it was too 'forced'.. I guess I expect higher standards then you.. Doesn't make either of us right or wrong.
But hey, many people liked 'survivor' so there isn't any accounting
Lawsuits (Score:2, Funny)
The new series started in the past? (Score:2)
Starbuck (Score:2, Funny)
Re:British Columbia (Score:3, Informative)
Re:British Columbia (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:British Columbia (Score:5, Interesting)
By filming in Canada, the production companies don't have to pay union rates to the hordes of support personal required to make the films. This out sourcing significantly brings down costs, while still providing a location with white, English-speaking extras and close proximity to the US, to accommodate "name" US actors.
The X-Files, for example, was mostly filmed in Canada, with US filming limited to some "location" shots of recognizable landmarks.
Re:British Columbia (Score:3, Interesting)
I call hooey on you. You can't make a feature-length mainstream in Vancouver without relying heavily on IATSE local 891 [iatse.com]. They're just too useful.
No, every Amurrican producer/director I've talked to about working in Canada describes the experience as dominated by working with extremely skilled and unassuming crews and actors (the phrase that keeps coming up is that they
Re:British Columbia (Score:3, Funny)
Not only can we speak English in Canada, we can even spell personnel. [reference.com] You're of English descent... learn the language!
Re:British Columbia (Score:2)
Re:British Columbia (Score:5, Funny)
You must not have seen the billboard ads for the Starsky & Hutch movie [warnerbros.com], starring Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson.
Is the entertainment industry out of ideas? In a word... YES.
Re:British Columbia (Score:4, Insightful)
More likely, it was some senior exec in Hollyweird deciding that he didn't have to spend millions of extra dollars shooting in the USA just because Ahhhnold was now The Governator. The fact that B.C. has the best marijuana in the world and is relatively unencumbered by the lunacy of the U.S. war on drugs probably had nothing to do with it...
Besides, when Canadian producers want to mine the 80's for remake potential we end up with less grass and more Degrassi...
Are we really so out of ideas?
You're just noticing that now?
Re: Will there be nudity? (Score:3, Insightful)
> Can Sci-Fi show nudity? I know they can in the UK, but what about the more repressive US channel?
In the USA, Congress is more worried about a glimpse of a tit than they are about ongoing wars in the Near East.
Re: Will there be nudity? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: Will there be nudity? (Score:2, Funny)
Re: Will there be nudity? (Score:4, Interesting)
Is that, like, Long Island?
But seriously... Congress is concerned over the Jackson incident because laws they passed establishing guidelines for the content using the airwaves owned by the public were ignored. It's correct for them to be concerned. Since it is likely that the incident was pre-meditated by at least one MTV producer and Jackson herself to create a pocket-lining "buzz," it's correct for Congress to be more than a little bit annoyed as well.
Sci-Fi Channel is on cable. The restrictions relating to the public airwaves do not apply to them. However, they are smart enough to realize that the demographic for a Battlestar Galactica revival is not the same as "Queer as Folk" or "The Sopranos" and will most certainly produce it no harder than a PG. The perception is that the "adults" won't be watching it and that the "kids" won't be allowed to watch it if it contained nudity.
Re:Will there be nudity? (Score:2)
Re:Will there be nudity? (Score:3, Funny)
Second, God I hope so! The biggest difference to me between the SciFi channel series and the original is that I really want to see Starbuck naked in this one.
Re:They chose this over Farscape? (Score:2)
Seems a popular formula.
Re:They chose this over Farscape? (Score:4, Insightful)
As I've said before, Yes the fourth season was bad but in my book they really pulled it out the last six episodes which were fabulous.. my personal favorite was "We're So Screwed: LaBomba"
As so many have lamented, the people running the Sci Fi channel know nothing about science fiction.
Re:They chose this over Farscape? (Score:2)
IE - shows that had a colon in the title, like 'Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction', 'Code Name: Eternity', 'Poltergiest: The Legacy', 'The Crow: Stairway to Heaven', Highlander: The Series', and 'Highlander: The Raven'.
Strangely enough, a colon is where the scripts come from.
Re:Shame about the UK (Score:2)
Re:Shame about the UK (Score:2)
Still probably quicker just to torrent it.
Re:Aww yeah... (Score:2)
Is she related at all to Linda Park, who plays the comms officer in Enterprise?